[Breeze] [Bug 373668] Tiny keyboard layout indicator is the Lock Screen

[Anton]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=373668

Anton  changed:

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 Status|RESOLVED|UNCONFIRMED
 Resolution|WORKSFORME  |---

--- Comment #9 from Anton  ---
Honestly, I don't even need this indicator all the time. I need some kind of
warning when capslock is "on" or layout of keyboard is not default.

So I see two options: 
 - move it next to the password input box and display non-default keyboard
status
 - (hate to say it) In windows, they display a balloon box under input box, but
it looks strange, not inline with the main design.

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[Breeze] [Bug 373668] Tiny keyboard layout indicator is the Lock Screen

[Jens Reuterberg]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=373668

Jens Reuterberg  changed:

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--- Comment #8 from Jens Reuterberg  ---
Ok I think this discussion needs to mellow out a tad... 

BACKGROUND TO CURRENT PLACEMENT:
The assumption was that the users who did need it would find it, where as the
users who didn't need it wouldn't have the entire screen muddled up with
different controls. 
This in combination with the motivation to make the act of starting and
shutting down feel like one unified whole instead of different aspects of the
DE handing over to each other. 
Now that was designed slightly before the fact that the keyboard layout isn't
visible if you don't have another keyboard layout installed - which sorta turns
the tables. That leaves another issue - will putting every single control on
prime real estate solve the issue? It will for you (Anton) because that is what
you personally need - but will it do that for all or will that as well as the
switcher for different DE's (which would then have to be moved as well) just
clog up the controls? 

WHAT TO DO:
Looking at SDDM - the key task there is to fill in your password (which is why
its centered). The second task is to switch users, the third is to shut down
the computer, reboot etc.
The date/time is there to ensure the similarity between the login and the lock
screen visually. 

So whatever we change here - will affect the design of Lock Screen, etc. 

There is a future addon for the lock screen (not SDDM) where you can control
the music player and that will be placed in the center column of the lock
screen but underneath. We could dedicate that area to it BUT that may also
result in some issues like a TON of stuff clogging it up. 
Making the buttons bigger would be interesting but that wont fix much either in
the long run since the reason they are pushed away to the sides is to 1) get
them out of the way as not being universally relevant objects and 2) get some
kind of balance (and not make it look like a middle school book report (center
aligned text everywhere)). 

So what we need is something that not only displays the lesser relevance of the
keyboard layout in comparison with login etc - but also balances it out.


TL;DR its an issue, but a slightly fiddlier one than one may think

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[Breeze] [Bug 373668] Tiny keyboard layout indicator is the Lock Screen

[Anton]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=373668

--- Comment #7 from Anton  ---
Created attachment 102827
  --> https://bugs.kde.org/attachment.cgi?id=102827=edit
tiny indicator

Is it hide and seek game? It is almost impossible to find it if you don't know
where to look for. Try to simulate a first look. Naturally, your eyes will be
focused on the central of the screen. I didn't see neither indicator no battery
status for couple weeks of using this version.

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[Breeze] [Bug 373668] Tiny keyboard layout indicator is the Lock Screen

[Anton]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=373668

--- Comment #6 from Anton  ---
(In reply to Eike Hein from comment #5)
> I suggest you test 5.8.5 soon and see if you think the adjusted version is
> good enough, and if not provide more feedback.

I will test it once this version is available. The latest release
(http://download.kde.org/stable/plasma/) is 5.8.4 so far.

Meanwhile, I suggest you to test it on 4k resolution and big screen monitor. I
bet it will be tiny.

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[Breeze] [Bug 373668] Tiny keyboard layout indicator is the Lock Screen

[Eike Hein]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=373668

Eike Hein  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 CC||h...@kde.org
 Resolution|WONTFIX |WORKSFORME

--- Comment #5 from Eike Hein  ---
Let's calm down. I think this is a slight misunderstanding/miscommunication.

Anton's bug is about the layout indicator being too hard to find. The other bug
was about a layout indicator being missing. So this isn't a duplicate, although
it's kind of in the same ballpark. As Kai says the next version will have an
icon to make it easier to discover. That should hopefully address this report,
too.

So here's what I propose: I'm going to mark it as WORKSFORME for now. Anton, I
suggest you test 5.8.5 soon and see if you think the adjusted version is good
enough, and if not provide more feedback.

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[Breeze] [Bug 373668] Tiny keyboard layout indicator is the Lock Screen

[Anton]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=373668

--- Comment #4 from Anton  ---
I insist on some kind of explanation. I made an afford to file a bug report, I
pointed out that I know it is not a duplicate.

This is going to be second dumbest thing in KDE after the current device
notifier with it's tiny and illogical "eject" arrow for usb mounting.

Thank you for listening to your users and making KDE better for everyone!


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[Breeze] [Bug 373668] Tiny keyboard layout indicator is the Lock Screen

[Kai Uwe Broulik]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=373668

Kai Uwe Broulik  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|UNCONFIRMED |RESOLVED
 Resolution|--- |WONTFIX

--- Comment #3 from Kai Uwe Broulik  ---
I have, so if you insist on your report being widely different from the others,
I'll close this as won't fix as the button will stay where it is.

In 5.8.5 the button will have a keyboard icon next to it to make it more
visible, though.

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[Breeze] [Bug 373668] Tiny keyboard layout indicator is the Lock Screen

[Anton]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=373668

Anton  changed:

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 Status|RESOLVED|UNCONFIRMED
 Resolution|DUPLICATE   |---

--- Comment #2 from Anton  ---
Have read  my request?

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[Breeze] [Bug 373668] Tiny keyboard layout indicator is the Lock Screen

[Kai Uwe Broulik]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=373668

Kai Uwe Broulik  changed:

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 Status|UNCONFIRMED |RESOLVED
 CC||k...@privat.broulik.de
 Resolution|--- |DUPLICATE

--- Comment #1 from Kai Uwe Broulik  ---


*** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 370220 ***

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