[Breeze] [Bug 375005] New scrollbars for Plasma 4.9: slow scrolling is no longer intuitive

[Paul M]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=375005

--- Comment #7 from Paul M  ---
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An illustration of how less precise scrolling using the bar can be vs. clicking
the area formerly occupied by the scroll arrow.

It makes no sense to remove/hide this tried-and-tested feature for precise
scrolling!

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[Breeze] [Bug 375005] New scrollbars for Plasma 4.9: slow scrolling is no longer intuitive

[Paul M]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=375005

--- Comment #6 from Paul M  ---
(In reply to John Salatas from comment #5)
> You can also use the keyboard's up/down arrow keys, for more
> precision/control.

You could, but sometimes the mouse is simply more convenient than the keyboard.
There are also some situations where you do not know where has the focus for
keyboard input, and in those situations it is better to use the mouse.

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[Breeze] [Bug 375005] New scrollbars for Plasma 4.9: slow scrolling is no longer intuitive

[John Salatas]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=375005

John Salatas  changed:

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--- Comment #5 from John Salatas  ---
You can also use the keyboard's up/down arrow keys, for more precision/control.

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[Breeze] [Bug 375005] New scrollbars for Plasma 4.9: slow scrolling is no longer intuitive

[Paul M]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=375005

Paul M  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|RESOLVED|UNCONFIRMED
 Resolution|WORKSFORME  |---

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[Breeze] [Bug 375005] New scrollbars for Plasma 4.9: slow scrolling is no longer intuitive

[Paul M]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=375005

--- Comment #4 from Paul M  ---
(In reply to Kai Uwe Broulik from comment #3)
> Don't you have a mouse wheel or scroll gesture on your touchpad?

Yes I do but those aren't always precise (especially touchpad scroll gestures).
The arrows are useful for scrolling small distances, or for scrolling lazily
whereby you just keep the arrow pressed down.

I know you don't *have* to click the arrow itself to scroll, but I think they
add some visual clarity, especially for novices, that the function is for
moving up and down. The arrows also distinguish a scroll bar from other UI
elements used in breeze e.g. in Dolphin there is a disk space indicator which
looks almost visually identical to a scroll bar. Hide the arrow when the mouse
is not over and you still get the elegant clean clutter-free design you are
striving for.

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[Breeze] [Bug 375005] New scrollbars for Plasma 4.9: slow scrolling is no longer intuitive

[Kai Uwe Broulik]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=375005

--- Comment #3 from Kai Uwe Broulik  ---
Don't you have a mouse wheel or scroll gesture on your touchpad?

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[Breeze] [Bug 375005] New scrollbars for Plasma 4.9: slow scrolling is no longer intuitive

[Paul M]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=375005

--- Comment #2 from Paul M  ---
(In reply to Kai Uwe Broulik from comment #1)
> You can configure which buttons you want

Yes, I know you can configure the scroll bar, but as a default it doesn't make
sense to hide the arrow.

The defaults should also be suitable for novices and most of my relatives (who
have used computers for years) read webpages by repeatedly clicking the arrow.

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[Breeze] [Bug 375005] New scrollbars for Plasma 4.9: slow scrolling is no longer intuitive

[Kai Uwe Broulik]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=375005

Kai Uwe Broulik  changed:

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 Status|UNCONFIRMED |RESOLVED
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 Resolution|--- |WORKSFORME

--- Comment #1 from Kai Uwe Broulik  ---
You can configure which buttons you want to have a scroll bars in System
Settings → Application Style → "Configure" next to the "Breeze" dropdown →
Scroll bars. (or just run "breeze-settings5" app)

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