[Phonon] [Bug 362476] No device listed in KCM Phonon, when Pulseaudio is disabled

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[Phonon] [Bug 362476] No device listed in KCM Phonon, when Pulseaudio is disabled

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[Phonon] [Bug 362476] No device listed in KCM Phonon, when Pulseaudio is disabled

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--- Comment #9 from Justin Zobel  ---
Thank you for reporting this bug in KDE software. As it has been a while since
this issue was reported, can we please ask you to see if you can reproduce the
issue with a recent software version?

If you can reproduce the issue, please change the status to "REPORTED" when
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[Phonon] [Bug 362476] No device listed in KCM Phonon, when Pulseaudio is disabled

[Ralph Moenchmeyer via KDE Bugzilla]

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--- Comment #8 from Ralph Moenchmeyer  ---
(In reply to Harald Sitter from comment #2)
> Created attachment 99438 [details]
> works just fine
> 
> you might want to make sure you are using phonon 4.9. I am reasonably
> certain the relevant code hasn't changed in years though.

I had a look at this attachment. In my opinion the hampered and reduced list
there just proves what mathojojo and I claim - the phonon GUI works wrongly.

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[Phonon] [Bug 362476] No device listed in KCM Phonon, when Pulseaudio is disabled

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--- Comment #7 from Ralph Moenchmeyer  ---
Created attachment 101643
  --> https://bugs.kde.org/attachment.cgi?id=101643=edit
KDE's systemsettings/multimedia shows only one device

KDE's systemsettings (KCM) interface for Phonon displays just one device under
KDE 5.

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[Phonon] [Bug 362476] No device listed in KCM Phonon, when Pulseaudio is disabled

[Ralph Moenchmeyer via KDE Bugzilla]

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--- Comment #6 from Ralph Moenchmeyer  ---
Created attachment 101642
  --> https://bugs.kde.org/attachment.cgi?id=101642=edit
Amarok under Opensuse Leap 42.1 displays all available Alsa devices

See the list of all available HW sound devices and one defined virtual Alsa PCM
device of type "plug" defined in the .asoundrc.

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[Phonon] [Bug 362476] No device listed in KCM Phonon, when Pulseaudio is disabled

[Ralph Moenchmeyer via KDE Bugzilla]

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--- Comment #5 from Ralph Moenchmeyer  ---
I do have exactly the same problem and confirm the basic findings of mathojojo. 

I am using Opensuse Leap 42.1 - fully updated. I have deactivated Pulseaudio
(because it still is a mess for many multichannel cards). 

I use various .asoundrc-files for different purposes - they contain definitions
of virtual PCM devices - which by the "hint"-directive should be displayed
aside the hardware devices in KDE's  phonon overview/setup dialog:  

Using KDE's "systemsettings -> multimedia" you should get a full overview over
all available sound devices - which in my case are quite many. But I just get
one lonely entry: "Default" (with a small icon indicating an Alsa device). 

Actually, with KDE 4 all my devices were/are fully displayed. The most
confusing thing is: 

Both the present VLC and Amarok versions under Opensuse Leap do deliver a
complete list of all available Alsa sound devices (real and virtual)! See the
attachment for Amarok. There is a ALSA  device ALSADEF listed which was defined
as a plug-device in the .asoundrc.  

However, KDE's systemsettings leads to the almost empty list => So KDE 5 (at
least in Opensuse Leap) in fact obstructs the opportunity for the user to
select and test both defined HW sound devices and virtual Alsa PCM plug
devices. Just, as mathojojo has described it ... 

In may opinion this is a major bug - KDE's Phonon GUI interface should support
and display all Alsa devices. With Pulseaudio (PA) active or not ! 
With Pulseaudio (PA) activated  I - in complete agreement with mathojojo  - at
least see most of the HW devices - but not with PA deactivated. 

So, there is something wrong - and our findings somehow indicate that the
present KDE/systemsettings/Phonon GUI-interface relies on some parts of PA
being active.

As I find the bug for a different distribution than  mathojojo I think that
this bug is distribution independent. 

And it leads to a major problem for users which want to work with pure Alsa. 

Dear KDE developers: Please be aware of the fact that there are still users
which for good reasons do not use Pulseaudio. 

I want to kindly ask you to investigate this problem a bit deeper. Believe me :
This bug has been around for almost a year now. From my side I shall deliver
all data required to find the origin of this strange behavior of KDE's  user
interface to Phonon - when PA is deactivated. 

Please tell us, what information you need.

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[Phonon] [Bug 362476] No device listed in KCM Phonon, when Pulseaudio is disabled

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[Phonon] [Bug 362476] No device listed in KCM Phonon, when Pulseaudio is disabled

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--- Comment #4 from mathoj...@gmail.com ---
Comment on attachment 99447
  --> https://bugs.kde.org/attachment.cgi?id=99447
Not working

AS you can see, I can add the same screeshot Yes we have a device listed :
Default . But it's not really a device ! When selected, I still have no sound.

And even if I had sound, the list is not correct as I have 2 soundcards. And
one of them has a lot of inputs and outputs. In the past, when pulseaudio was
disabled, phonon  listed a big list of devices... and not just this default
device which is nothing interesting and usable.

I'm using the ubuntu repository version of phonon : 4.8.3

No, it's not working fine, and the bug is still active !

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[Phonon] [Bug 362476] No device listed in KCM Phonon, when Pulseaudio is disabled

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--- Comment #3 from mathoj...@gmail.com ---
Created attachment 99447
  --> https://bugs.kde.org/attachment.cgi?id=99447=edit
Not working

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[Phonon] [Bug 362476] No device listed in KCM Phonon, when Pulseaudio is disabled

[Harald Sitter via KDE Bugzilla]

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[Phonon] [Bug 362476] No device listed in KCM Phonon, when Pulseaudio is disabled

[Harald Sitter via KDE Bugzilla]

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--- Comment #2 from Harald Sitter  ---
Created attachment 99438
  --> https://bugs.kde.org/attachment.cgi?id=99438=edit
works just fine

you might want to make sure you are using phonon 4.9. I am reasonably certain
the relevant code hasn't changed in years though.

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[Phonon] [Bug 362476] No device listed in KCM Phonon, when Pulseaudio is disabled

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[Phonon] [Bug 362476] No device listed in KCM Phonon, when Pulseaudio is disabled

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--- Comment #1 from mathoj...@gmail.com ---
I tried with VLC-Backend : it's not better !

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