[digikam] [Bug 377857] Ideas to improve usability of metadata sidebar

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--- Comment #33 from caulier.gil...@gmail.com ---
Git commit d010c9e522a873a9863cc7c144515c73431d2d9b by Gilles Caulier.
Committed on 07/05/2023 at 16:33.
Pushed by cgilles into branch 'master'.

Add Title x-default value in the image properties tab
Related: bug 460134

M  +15   -1core/libs/properties/itempropertiessidebar.cpp
M  +1-0core/libs/properties/itempropertiessidebardb.cpp
M  +75   -58   core/libs/properties/itempropertiestab.cpp
M  +1-0core/libs/properties/itempropertiestab.h

https://invent.kde.org/graphics/digikam/commit/d010c9e522a873a9863cc7c144515c73431d2d9b

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[Jens]

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--- Comment #32 from Jens  ---
Hello all,
José, thanks for updating the mockup with something more "digikam-like" and
providing your input!
I am totally Ok with making the Properties tab readonly for the time being.
However, one of my intentions in the original mockup was to get away from the
"black & white list of properties" (where information is harder to find) to
make Digikam look less "cluttered" and provide a better UX.
IMHO we should try to layout stuff so that properties are always in the same
physical (pixel) location in the sidebar and reduce static text to an absolute
minimum, just like you also did in the "Photograph Properties" section.
Property values should speak for themselves. This makes it a lot easier to find
and compare single properties when browsing photos. Maybe we should try to do
something similar for the other sections as well? And then maybe we don't even
need to separate the sections at all, further decluttering the sidebar.
I can provide another mockup if this sounds like a way to go for you. Feedback
welcome!

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[MarcP]

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--- Comment #31 from MarcP  ---
José Oliver-Didier, I really like your last proposal. I would just add one more
thing. If more than one picture is selected, if all of them have a common
property property, just show it (e.g.: Aspect Ratio: 3:2), otherwise indicate
something like "Several values" or leave it empty. For tags, add the number of
pictures with each tag in the selection next to the tag (e.g.: cruise ship (1),
ship (2), sunset (1)).

The current behavior of the Properties tab is that it just goes blank if more
than one element is selected, and I think showing at least the common
information would be more useful.

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--- Comment #29 from José Oliver-Didier  ---
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Proposal 3 (updated)

Updated mockup to include how to handle tag hierarchies and "People" tags.

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--- Comment #28 from José Oliver-Didier  ---
MarcP good point. Windows Photo Gallery solves this by simply displaying the
last tag in the hierarchy, when the user mouse overs the tag it displays the
entire tag path. So you will see Cat, Dog. Mouse over Dog and you will see
"Animal/Dog". 

Make me think that the "people" tags be therefore treated specially as separate
tags.

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--- Comment #27 from MarcP  ---
Nice mockup.

For me, the most important part of the Properties would be an intuitive way to
display the tags. In my case, I use plenty of tags in a tree, so an easy way to
display that information would allow me not needing to go to the Captions/Tags
panel all the time unless I want to edit them. But as I said, sometimes I have
5 o 6 levels of tags, so showing them as a list of words separated by commas
would look cluttered in a moment.

Maybe showing only the first and last tag of the tree in case the hierarchy is
too long?

e.g.: "Taxonomy / ... / Canis lupus familiaris" instead of
"Taxonomy/Animalia/Chordata/Mammalia/Carnivora/Canidae/Canis/Canis lupus
familiaris"

and "Location / ... / New York City" instead of "Location/United States/New
York/New York City"

Overall, it could look a bit like this:

Animal / Cat
Animal / Dog
Taxonomy / ... / Canis lupus familiaris
Taxonomy / ... / Felis silvestris catus
People / John Smith
People / Helga Donelan
Location / ... / New York

And when you hover the mouse over one of these tags, it would show the entire
tree path.

I don't know, I'm just brainstorming.

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--- Comment #26 from José Oliver-Didier  ---
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Proposal 2

  I have been giving quite some thought to the Properties pane in digiKam,
which I see as having a lot of potential. I like the previous proposal made by
Jens, and building upon it would like to also present a "more in the middle
proposal" for the community's consideration, for when a single image is
selected on what information should be displayed. I think of the Properties
pane usage as the principal pane when browsing thru photos but something which
could also serve as a "jumping pad" to existing functionality. I created a
mockup which leverages existing functionality were information is always
displayed read-only.

 A small button is made available which takes the user to the pane where he/she
can edit some of this information saving a few mouse clicks in the process. It
also adds discoverability to new/novice users which may find digikam's UI
dauting given all the options available.

 Photograph Properties are presented as previously proposed simulating an SLR
Camera top display found in some other Photo Managers. An optional setting
could be added to simulate an LCD display later on. 

 Sections displaying Tags, Location (similar to GeoTag in Windows Photo
Gallery) and Rights are added and displayed only when information is present.
Presenting such location information is quite useful, thinking of services such
as Instagram which users can add a geotag.

  Rights I feel are important and neglected functionality in photos that has
taken more prominence recently with Google Images highlighting these fields
values and the IPTC actively encouraging it. 

  I thought of adding a People section to the mockup but given that the
people's names are added as tags and that the user can enable/disable display
of face regions when browsing I thought it would be redundant.

  I also thought of adding a map and display of lat/long, but given that the
Map tab is quite accessible and adding a map could have performance impact I
would opt not to.

  Personally, I like the less is more approach - displaying just the essentials
but giving the user the ability to collapse these sections can leave it up to
the user. Hope this proposal encourages healthy discussion and a means to
attract more users to digiKam.

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--- Comment #25 from José Oliver-Didier  ---
Sharing the same thoughts as other commenters here regarding Windows Photo
Gallery quick response for tagging (Regular Tags, People), captioning via what
they call the "Tag and caption pane"

Just wanted to add that one thing that makes the WPG UI quite functional is the
subtle usability features such as:

- Mouse over a tag an an X for removing it appears.
- You can hide/minimize the information pane so the panel does not look too
cluttered.
- Differentiation between geotags, people tags and regular tags.
- The "Geotag" text points to the IPTC Country, Province-State, City,
Sublocation fields. While I would prefer that it would display starting with
the first field available Sublocation first moving to city...

Not sure about having a map always displayed may have app performance
implications, but it could be something which can be readily available on a
click of the "Geo tag" as WPG does when right-clicking on the GeoTag.

Including additional screenshots for reference here:
https://jmoliver.files.wordpress.com/2020/02/wpg_info_pane.png?w=1024
https://jmoliver.files.wordpress.com/2018/05/2018-05-22-1.png?w=1024
https://jmoliver.files.wordpress.com/2018/01/windowsphotogallery_geotag.png?w=1024
https://jmoliver.files.wordpress.com/2017/02/windows_people_tags1.png

As powerful and versatile Digikam is, such UI improvements would definitely
welcoming for many. Hope this is considered for a future release!

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[Jens]

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--- Comment #24 from Jens  ---
Thank you :-)

Is there anything we can do to push this further up in the TODO queue?

Would it help to design this dashboard in an actual UI editor, provide the
necessary icons and/or images and translations, so that the Digikam developers
just need to connect the functionality?

I'd be willing to help in this regard.

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[MarcP]

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--- Comment #23 from MarcP  ---
I would also like to see a dashboard like that in the mockup implemented.

The current one is not very "visual", especially in the case of the "folder"
field, which is never shown complete (what about making it multiline?), and the
picture keywords under digikam properties, which should be better presented
(like a read-only version of the Captions/Tags tool maybe?).

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[Sergejs]

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--- Comment #22 from Sergejs  ---
Correction to my previous post here.

As discussed here: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=297291#c14  there are
practically no missing keyboard shortcuts in digiKam. 

So the suggested GUI dashboard is very relevant as power-users should be happy
with the keyboard workflow already, but the current GUI does not provide good
visual overview of existing metadata.

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--- Comment #21 from Sergejs  ---
OK, I missed that "Edit Title" shortcut exists (Alt-Shift-T), my bad.

Alt-C for switching to "Description" sub-Tab only works if you are already in
the "Captions" tab by use of the fundamental GUI navigation tricks (this is not
a proper shortcut). Still I agree that there are keyboard shortcuts for 97+% of
metadata use cases.

And yes, I have an urge to make DigiKam usable by all grandparents who have
nicely used WLPG with minimal guidance out of the box. For myself, I can
somehow spend several days configuring, testing and learning this stuff.
Unfortunately that's how DigiKam works today. Amazing software with horrific
learning curve. This GUI dashboard would certainly help make digiKam more
enjoyable to use for non-geeks.

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--- Comment #20 from Jens  ---
"Edit Title" is Alt-Shift-T by default.

There is no shortcut for "Edit Description" that I can find. You can activate
the description tab  using Alt-C, but this doesn't activate the descriptions
field and "Tab" doesn't change fields, it inserts a tab character. (Does this
make sense? Do we *need* TAB in these fields?)

But (IMHO) especially for new users this is simply too much jumping around to
find basic features. The advanced features are all great, but we need a
consistent userfriendly UI for the 90%-99% case, and only *afterwards* a
comprehensive professional UI for the specialist.

Currently it's the other way round.

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--- Comment #19 from Sergejs  ---
I just found here: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=290186#c4

that there literally exists a feature "CTRL + left mouse button to add a face"
so scratch my request for "Add a Face Tag" keyboard shortcut. I would have
discovered this myself if there would at least be a Tooltip under the GUI
button, but that is a different issue.

Still no good way to use keyboard only to "Edit Title" and "Edit Captions". I
must say I rarely write those, so I can live without them. Then I would say
this GUI request is even more relevant than a few missing keyboard
optimizations (personally for me)

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--- Comment #18 from Jens  ---
Yes, I agree - those two keyboard shortcuts would already solve a lot of
navigation and back and forth hand movements between mouse and keyboard.

Also, a way to select multiple images with the keyboard would be nice, even
while keyboard focus is in the tag editor or description/title editor.

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--- Comment #17 from s...@inbox.lv ---
Would like to voice my support for the proposal and the actual mockup from Jens
for this dashboard. I also come with more than a decade of WLPG use and I agree
that WPGL metadata editing GUI is an excellent benchmark for mouse editing and
information overview. 

Regarding importance of this GUI improvement I would say - not high just now.
Because for Tags there is an excellent "T" keyboard shortcut.
For Rating there are both direct keyboard shortcuts and a decent GUI.

So the low-hanging-fruit, before this GUI redesign is to add 3 new Keyboard
shortcuts to trigger "Add a Face Tag", "Edit Title" and "Edit Captions" (in a
similar manner as the flawless "T" shortcut).

If there are keyboard shortcuts to edit all typical metadata, the experienced
users will be faster than with any GUI out there. So Yes to this proposal, but
if it is too much work for now, perhaps at least more keyboard shortcuts would
be a great start ;)

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--- Comment #15 from caulier.gil...@gmail.com ---
Thanks Jens,

I will take a look when time permit. Actually i'm busy to finalize 6.1.0
release planed for newt week end : all bundles must be perfect...

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--- Comment #14 from Jens  ---
How about this idea, any chances of implementing it in Digikam 6.x? I am here
to help designing, I just need some help with the code.

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digikam properties dashboard - mockup (Openoffice file)

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--- Comment #11 from Jens  ---
Any volunteers to help me do this? I'm willing to do mockups, discuss
limitations and feedback, provide UI components and test everything.

I just need somebody to help me with the code ...

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--- Comment #10 from Jens  ---
My mockup is here since the original bug report from about 15 months ago. :)

It mainly combines the most relevant info from multiple separate sidebar tabs
to a single sidebar, to improve usability.

I'd be happy to work on details with somebody who knows the code very well and
knows about possible pitfalls and special cases which my mockup does not cover.

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--- Comment #9 from caulier.gil...@gmail.com ---
Jens,

Nobody work on this file.

You are welcome to propose a mockup to review and a patch against git/master

Gilles Caulier

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--- Comment #7 from Jens  ---
How about this issue? Is anybody willing to work on it?
If somebody designs the backend, I can do the UI design and also help discuss
how to implement some details.

I find myself always switching between tags, descriptions, and properties
sidebars, which is very time consuming.

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--- Comment #6 from Andrius  ---
Looks like digiKam used to have a sidebar very similar to what Jens is offering
here.
See the screenshot in the handbook:

https://docs.kde.org/trunk5/en/extragear-graphics/digikam/using-sidebar.html#using-sidebar-captions

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--- Comment #5 from Andrius  ---
Wanted to paste a couple of screenshots of another pieces of software for your
reference.

WLPG:
https://www.techsupportalert.com/files/photo-gallery.jpg
https://ceeesquared.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/tag.jpg
I have used WLPG for few years. Its interface is one of the fastest for basic
tagging tasks.

Zoner:
http://images.wondershare.com/images/multimedia/video-editor/zoner-photo-studio-free.jpg
I have used it too but did not get attached to it. Many people will really like
the right panel. My opinion - keywords (tags) are missing

I am not asking anyone to copy anything. Just wanted to paste it here for
reference only.

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--- Comment #3 from wildcowboy  ---
(In reply to Jens from comment #2)
> Just out of curiosity: what is missing for 90%? 99%? 100%? :)

Tag tree is one on the features I really enjoying in digiKam so I might switch
to the tab with the full tag tree from time to time.  Maybe not... I have used
programs where you have to start typing the tag too.

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--- Comment #2 from Jens  ---
Just out of curiosity: what is missing for 90%? 99%? 100%? :)

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--- Comment #1 from wildcowboy  ---
I like the idea. It could be a good additional "Quick Access" tab. I would use
it 80% of the time.

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