[kwin] [Bug 384054] Don't make windows translucent when moving by default

[Vlad Zahorodnii]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=384054

--- Comment #12 from Vlad Zahorodnii  ---
We can't meet the needs of every person. That's why we have options, so people
can tweak their systems up to their needs. However, on this one, I agree with
VDG. Making move-resize windows translucent by default is inappropriate.

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[kwin] [Bug 384054] Don't make windows translucent when moving by default

[Tornado99]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=384054

--- Comment #11 from Tornado99  ---
Sure, but if the effect increases usability why not enable it by default?

I recall in the first days of windows managers (i.e. early Windows, Linux),
dragging a window would show a dashed rectangle in place of the window. It was
only later on that a solid window was added as an option.

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[kwin] [Bug 384054] Don't make windows translucent when moving by default

[Vlad Zahorodnii]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=384054

--- Comment #10 from Vlad Zahorodnii  ---
The effect is still there, it's just not enabled by default. You can enable it
in system settings.

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[kwin] [Bug 384054] Don't make windows translucent when moving by default

[bugzilla_noreply]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=384054

richrocksmywo...@gmail.com changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 CC||richrocksmywo...@gmail.com

--- Comment #9 from richrocksmywo...@gmail.com ---
User comment here:

I actually like this as it enables me to see what's underneath the window being
dragged without moving it out of the way completely. Therefore it is a great
aid in window management.

So actually I think it's a regression in usability.

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[kwin] [Bug 384054] Don't make windows translucent when moving by default

[Nate Graham]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=384054

Nate Graham  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

  Latest Commit||https://invent.kde.org/plas
   ||ma/kwin/commit/b29f211fe400
   ||735918e5970b5aa8b86dd8af624
   ||f
 Resolution|INTENTIONAL |FIXED
   Version Fixed In||5.23

--- Comment #8 from Nate Graham  ---
Git commit b29f211fe400735918e5970b5aa8b86dd8af624f by Nate Graham.
Committed on 14/05/2021 at 15:21.
Pushed by ngraham into branch 'master'.

Disable translucency effect by default

Many reasons have been brought up over the years for why this effect is
not appropriate to be enabled by default:
- It was designed to highlight the whizzy technical feature of being
  able to make windows transparent, which is no longer particularly
  impressive today.
- It looks visually dated.
- It can produce a confusing visual soup by blending a window being
  moved or resized with the content below it, which we recently disabled
  for the Highlight Windows effect.
- If one window is covering up another as a way to deliberately hide the
  content of the lower window, this effect will reveal the hidden
  content whenever the upper window is moved or resized at all.

Overall it does not seem to have enough advantages to offset these
issues. Let's disable it by default--but only for the people who did not
modify its configuration at all. We can assume that those people like
it, so let's keep it on for them.
FIXED-IN: 5.23

Closes Phab task T7915

A  +23   -0kconf_update/kwin-5.23-disable-translucency-effect.sh
M  +6-0kconf_update/kwin.upd
M  +0-1src/effects/translucency/package/metadata.desktop

https://invent.kde.org/plasma/kwin/commit/b29f211fe400735918e5970b5aa8b86dd8af624f

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[kwin] [Bug 384054] Don't make windows translucent when moving by default

[Andres Betts]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=384054

--- Comment #7 from Andres Betts  ---
(In reply to Martin Flöser from comment #6)
> Please be aware that this is a usability feature and not a design element.

Can you explain this idea further?

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[kwin] [Bug 384054] Don't make windows translucent when moving by default

[Martin Flöser]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=384054

--- Comment #6 from Martin Flöser  ---
Please be aware that this is a usability feature and not a design element.

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[kwin] [Bug 384054] Don't make windows translucent when moving by default

[Nate Graham]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=384054

--- Comment #5 from Nate Graham  ---
We're not really arguing that users hate it, but rather than it's not
necessarily  consistent with the visual direction we want to evolve Plasma in.
In what venue would you like to discuss this matter? We'd love to have you in
the #VDG telegram room.

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[kwin] [Bug 384054] Don't make windows translucent when moving by default

[Martin Flöser]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=384054

Martin Flöser  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Resolution|--- |WONTFIX
 Status|REOPENED|RESOLVED

--- Comment #4 from Martin Flöser  ---
This is not the place for deciding this. I don't like bug reports being open
for discussions. Sorry this is a technical issue board which should help us
developers manage the issues. If we clutter it with random things to discuss we
just make the life of developers more difficult.

If you as VDG want to change it, because you think it's not well liked, then I
suggest to collect data on it. E.g. figure out how many users change the
default. Sorry to say but without any hard numbers showing this is a bad
default I'm not going to allow this setting to be changed. This has been the
default for 9 years and I cannot remember that anyone ever complained about it.
We have complaints about many things and I notice if issues come up again and
again. This default does not belong to it. This means to me that I don't think
that this feature is disliked or that users would prefer a different default.

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[kwin] [Bug 384054] Don't make windows translucent when moving by default

[Nate Graham]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=384054

Nate Graham  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Ever confirmed|0   |1
 Status|RESOLVED|REOPENED
 Resolution|WONTFIX |---

--- Comment #3 from Nate Graham  ---
Re-opening since the Visual Design Group has decided to re-visit the issue.

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[kwin] [Bug 384054] Don't make windows translucent when moving by default

[Andres Betts]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=384054

Andres Betts  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 CC||anditosan1...@gmail.com

--- Comment #2 from Andres Betts  ---
I feel we should bring this back to the table. Assuming there is no data
against it doesn't mean it is well-liked. One could make the same argument on
the contrary. "There isn't any data backing its use up, therefore, we should be
just fine to not enable it."

I recommend that we take this request and disable the moving-transparency. It
makes the system look stable, not screaming for attention, and we save users
CPU cycles. We can very likely use translucency in other areas of the system
where it would be more fitting.

Can a patch be made for this?

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[kwin] [Bug 384054] Don't make windows translucent when moving by default

[Martin Flöser]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=384054

Martin Flöser  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Resolution|--- |WONTFIX
 Status|UNCONFIRMED |RESOLVED

--- Comment #1 from Martin Flöser  ---
we have no indications that users dislike it or think it is not professional.

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[kwin] [Bug 384054] Don't make windows translucent when moving by default

[David Edmundson]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=384054

David Edmundson  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

  Component|Look & Feel package |effects-window-management
 CC||k...@davidedmundson.co.uk
   Target Milestone|1.0 |---
Product|plasmashell |kwin
Version|master  |git master
   Assignee|plasma-b...@kde.org |kwin-bugs-n...@kde.org

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