[kwin] [Bug 412731] Please add API to get list of all window IDs on Wayland (so that I can iterate over them and make screenshots using org.kde.kwin.Screenshot)
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=412731 --- Comment #6 from Askar Safin --- >>This program is unfinished, so I currently don't use it >I think this says a lot Hi. Things changed. I rewrote my program from xlib to xcb and added some features. I used it successfully from 2020-05-09 to today (2020-09-12) and I will continue to use it. It records all opened windows simultaneously. I. e. not whole desktop, but each windows separately. I. e. the program does exactly what I want. I runs on top of KDE on X11. And it seems it is currently impossible to port it to kwin-wayland. For all this time my computer never crashed. Except for today. Today the computer crashed and I was able successfully restore state of my computer using captured video. So I write this success report -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 412731] Please add API to get list of all window IDs on Wayland (so that I can iterate over them and make screenshots using org.kde.kwin.Screenshot)
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=412731 David Edmundson changed: What|Removed |Added Status|REPORTED|RESOLVED Resolution|--- |NOT A BUG --- Comment #5 from David Edmundson --- >This program is unfinished, so I currently don't use it I think this says a lot. This is purely hypothetical idea and I don't think would actually help you accomplish anything. We will have per window recording at some point in the future. If you can use that for your ideas, great. But adding wayland support for a workflow no-one uses is not a bug currently. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 412731] Please add API to get list of all window IDs on Wayland (so that I can iterate over them and make screenshots using org.kde.kwin.Screenshot)
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=412731 Nate Graham changed: What|Removed |Added CC||n...@kde.org -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 412731] Please add API to get list of all window IDs on Wayland (so that I can iterate over them and make screenshots using org.kde.kwin.Screenshot)
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=412731 Askar Safin changed: What|Removed |Added Resolution|WAITINGFORINFO |--- Status|NEEDSINFO |REPORTED --- Comment #4 from Askar Safin --- (In reply to David Edmundson from comment #3) > I am happy to help do what we need to address any valid use cases, if we can > solve them properly. Thanks a lot! > However, I still don't yet understand, how does this > help with a crash? I often have something like 50 various windows opened. When my computer crashes, of course, I am completely disappointed and frustrated. Because all information about state of my computer and all information about my work is lost. In some sense set of opened windows *is* to-do list. When I start to do something, I open relevant windows. Then this work may for some reason become postponed and some new urgent work may appear. Then I open new windows (without closing previous set of windows). This can happen a lot of times and then I may got 50+ windows, some of them are "new" (i. e. opened recently) and some "old" (i. e. I saw them very lot of time ago). I rarely reboot my computer and I often use hibernate. So, I want to record video from every window. If my computer crashes, I will watch all this videos (with a paper and pencil in my hands) and thus I will be able to open all this windows again restoring their state. You may ask: why you need to watch video, why not just see the last screenshot? Well, there is a lot of programs, such that their state cannot be restored by last screenshot. For example, browser window with tabs. I need to watch video in reverse order starting from last screenshot until all tabs will show up in video. Same for konsole windows. I need to watch entire video to see all commands and their output. Last screenshot will show me only few last commands. So I will watch all this videos in reverse order from last screenshot until all information from this particular video is restored. Okey, what I do currently? Currently I don't have such program. I use X11, and I simply record video from whole screen using "ffmpeg -f x11grab". When my computer crashes I watch this video (with a paper and pencil) from last frame until all windows will show up in video and all information from them is restored. I usually restart video capturing once a day and unminimize all windows to make sure all they are captured. So in case of crash I need to watch no more than last day. Watching such video usually takes whole day. What programs I use? Most of time I use 3 programs only: konsole, chromium and kate/kwrite. Usually I have lots of konsole windows opened, lots of chromium windows opened and a few kate/kwrite windows. Currently I have 8 konsoles and 11 chromiums (i. e. 19 windows). This is good situation, often windows count is more. You may ask: why not just use build-in capabilities in this programs for restoring state? Chromium can restore tabs, kate can restore unsaved files and for konsole we have .bash_history. Well, this is true, but unfortunately all this features are not complete. Let's begin from Chromium. Usually it restores form data correctly. But unfortunately sometimes this just fails. Also, Chromium doesn't restore form data for dynamically created form elements. If I remember correctly Chromium dev even said to me in bug tracker that Chromium will never restore form data in dynamically created elements. For example, go open https://paste.gg/ . Then click "Add file". Additional dynamically created will open. Type some text to it, then crash your browser and restore tabs. That text will be lost. Now let's speak about konsole. I use konsole windows as to-do list in some sense. Let me explain. For example, I created some file or directory using konsole. Say, I typed "mkdir /some-dir". Then I will not close this window while I need this dir. I. e. this window serves as reminder that this directory exists and that I should delete it when it becomes not needed. So I need to restore all konsole windows. To know what files and dirs I created to know that I should delete them. Of course, all this applies not only to files and dirs, but to other things, too. For example, I temporary moved some file from one place to another. Then this konsole window with "mv" command serves as reminder that this file should be moved back. Etc, etc. Okey, what about .bash_history? Well, first of all, in case of hard crash commands in opened windows are lost (because bash writes .bash_history at exit). But bash can be configured to write command to history immediately. So, let us assume we configured bash so. What next? Well, then .bash_history will contain all commands. From opened windows and from closed. But I need from opened only! Because they are in some sense to-do list. They mean actions which started but not finished.
[kwin] [Bug 412731] Please add API to get list of all window IDs on Wayland (so that I can iterate over them and make screenshots using org.kde.kwin.Screenshot)
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=412731 --- Comment #3 from David Edmundson --- >In Wayland it doesn't work, so we have no feature parity. Correct. Making an exact clone is not an aim. I am happy to help do what we need to address any valid use cases, if we can solve them properly. However, I still don't yet understand, how does this help with a crash? >Currently such way exists even on Wayland There are patches to remove that. >Does you have way to capture pipewire stream from particular window? Not currently, but it's something I do want to add. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 412731] Please add API to get list of all window IDs on Wayland (so that I can iterate over them and make screenshots using org.kde.kwin.Screenshot)
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=412731 --- Comment #2 from Askar Safin --- (In reply to David Edmundson from comment #1) > Why? Surely you know which windows you want in advance. This is my task. In X11 this worked. In Wayland it doesn't work, so we have no feature parity. My computer often crashes for various reasons. So I want to record videos from each of opened windows. So that after crash I can restore state of this windows. Reasons for crashes are really diverse. Not only software crashes or power outages but also physical force. For example one day I was angry and I hit table where was my laptop, and then this laptop forcibly rebooted. > There won't be a way for programs to get screenshots without some user > interaction for security purposes. Currently such way exists even on Wayland. This command: dbus-send --dest=org.kde.KWin --print-reply /Screenshot org.kde.kwin.Screenshot.screenshotFullscreen create screenshot without user interaction. > We do have pipewire support. Does you have way to capture pipewire stream from particular window? (I want to get list of all windows and capture them all, even covered ones.) I have read https://flatpak.github.io/xdg-desktop-portal/portal-docs.html and it seems that I can capture video either from whole screen, either from some my own window. It seems capturing window of other app is not supported -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kwin] [Bug 412731] Please add API to get list of all window IDs on Wayland (so that I can iterate over them and make screenshots using org.kde.kwin.Screenshot)
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=412731 David Edmundson changed: What|Removed |Added Status|REPORTED|NEEDSINFO CC||k...@davidedmundson.co.uk Resolution|--- |WAITINGFORINFO --- Comment #1 from David Edmundson --- >I want to capture videos from all my opened windows Why? Surely you know which windows you want in advance. There won't be a way for programs to get screenshots without some user interaction for security purposes. >This will allow me to write program I need. This program will repeatedly call >screenshotForWindow for all windows on the system, thus creating videos. That doesn't sound a very efficient way to record a video. We do have pipewire support. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
