[okular] [Bug 263042] XFA Forms are not supported

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[okular] [Bug 263042] XFA Forms are not supported

[Yuri Chornoivan]

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*** Bug 453951 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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[okular] [Bug 263042] XFA Forms are not supported

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--- Comment #36 from SoftExpert  ---
Altough PDF standard deprecates this feature, it is too widely used to not
provide a solution for it !
Also, it will take a looong time before official documents will be edited with
other, more recent, standard.
I voted in favor of an implementation ...

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[okular] [Bug 263042] XFA Forms are not supported

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--- Comment #35 from 2wxsy5823...@opayq.com ---
(In reply to pf from comment #31)

An option is to use Firefox 93 (which now supports XFA [1]).

However, for the test file [2]:
- Textboxes and checkboxes are working
- Dropdowns are not working

[1] https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/93.0/releasenotes/
[2] https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/document/forms/n-400.pdf

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[okular] [Bug 263042] XFA Forms are not supported

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--- Comment #34 from p...@pfortin.com ---
(In reply to Yuri Chornoivan from comment #32)
> (In reply to pf from comment #31)
> > Any other options?
> 
> Foxit Reader for Linux

Thanks, but same issues as with masterpdfeditor5 (comment 33); so xournal or
xournalpp are still the only somewhat workable options for US(other?) gov't
forms which are not likely to eliminate XFA in foreseeable future.
HTH

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[okular] [Bug 263042] XFA Forms are not supported

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--- Comment #33 from p...@pfortin.com ---
Adding to comment 31

masterpdfeditor5https://code-industry.net/free-pdf-editor/
   - only first page allows input into ID number fields at top of each page
   - some fields appear to be inactive dropdowns and don't allow input
Not worth checking further.

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[okular] [Bug 263042] XFA Forms are not supported

[Yuri Chornoivan]

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--- Comment #32 from Yuri Chornoivan  ---
(In reply to pf from comment #31)
> Any other options?

Foxit Reader for Linux

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[okular] [Bug 263042] XFA Forms are not supported

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--- Comment #31 from p...@pfortin.com ---
HTH someone...  

I just filed a bunch of forms with the US Gov't which makes extensive use of
XFA; so we can't expect XFA to disappear anytime soon. 

What I tried on various forms, including
https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/document/forms/n-400.pdf

okular: waste of time even trying

evince: some support; but useless. Some issues:
   - only first page allows input into ID number fields at top of each page
   - input fields to the right of checkboxes don't work

xournal: painful; but only viable solution I've found short of using a pen.
   - type, select, move into correct position
   - adjust font in some cases ("123456" vs "1","2","3","4","5","6")
   - no "align" feature
   Tip: examine entire form for repeat/similar fields and use copy/paste/align
on such fields to save much time.

xournalpp: found this moments ago. Lots of new features. Some preferences imply
this is still work in progress; but nothing new that would have made it any
better/easier than xournal for this form.

oodraw: does not render the raw form correctly.

Any other options?

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[okular] [Bug 263042] XFA Forms are not supported

[JirkaZ]

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--- Comment #30 from JirkaZ  ---
(In reply to 2wxsy58236r3 from comment #29)
> *** Bug 443472 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

OK. I ask once more here:

Is it possible to use XFA viewer from Firefox 93 (or its principle etc.) in
Okular?

See
https://hacks.mozilla.org/2021/10/implementing-form-filling-and-accessibility-in-the-firefox-pdf-viewer/
etc.

Thank you.

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[okular] [Bug 263042] XFA Forms are not supported

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*** Bug 443472 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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[okular] [Bug 263042] XFA Forms are not supported

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[okular] [Bug 263042] XFA Forms are not supported

[johnathan]

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--- Comment #28 from johnathan  ---
http://mca.gov.in/MinistryV2/companyformsdownload.html#compl
check this link please. 
This website is india government companies registrar and ALL documents are xfa
pdf files which run on adobe reader. 
https://www.quora.com/How-many-companies-are-there-in-India?share=1
according to this, around 1.2 million companies are registered in india. that
means at least 1.2 million people who are involved with the affairs of these
companies need adobe reader and by extension, windows. 
i have tried to open these files on okular and evince and mupdf i think but
none works. Do you know how much corporate acceptance open source software
would get in a place like india with something as common as being able to file
pdf files on a linux install.

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[okular] [Bug 263042] XFA Forms are not supported

[Reissner]

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--- Comment #27 from Reissner  ---
hm but okular gives a warning.. at least in my version.

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[okular] [Bug 263042] XFA Forms are not supported

[Albert Astals Cid]

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--- Comment #26 from Albert Astals Cid  ---
(In reply to Reissner from comment #25)
> Created attachment 130675 [details]
> some official pfd with xfa forms which can be opened in evince.
> 
> The headline says all.

It can also be opened with Okular

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[okular] [Bug 263042] XFA Forms are not supported

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--- Comment #25 from Reissner  ---
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some official pfd with xfa forms which can be opened in evince.

The headline says all.

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[okular] [Bug 263042] XFA Forms are not supported

[Albert Astals Cid]

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--- Comment #24 from Albert Astals Cid  ---
Please can you attach such a pdf with XFA forms that works in evince and not in
Okular?

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[okular] [Bug 263042] XFA Forms are not supported

[Reissner]

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--- Comment #23 from Reissner  ---
in contrast to okular, evince seems to support xfa. 
How did they do that if it is so complicated?

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[okular] [Bug 263042] XFA Forms are not supported

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*** Bug 425030 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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[okular] [Bug 263042] XFA Forms are not supported

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*** Bug 423846 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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[okular] [Bug 263042] XFA Forms are not supported

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*** Bug 416081 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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[okular] [Bug 263042] XFA Forms are not supported

[Michael Weghorn]

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--- Comment #19 from Michael Weghorn  ---
(In reply to Albert Astals Cid from comment #18)
> There's non-Free apps on Linux that let you work with XFA files if you
> really really need to, use your favourite search engine to find them.

And PDFium, which is used e.g. by Chromium, has some support for XFA. When I
looked at this a while ago (probably about two years ago) and tested a few
files, that turned out not to be far from ideal, but that *might* have changed
in the meantime. (Back then, XFA support was not enabled by default, but there
was a compile option).

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[okular] [Bug 263042] XFA Forms are not supported

[Albert Astals Cid]

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--- Comment #18 from Albert Astals Cid  ---
There's non-Free apps on Linux that let you work with XFA files if you really
really need to, use your favourite search engine to find them.

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[okular] [Bug 263042] XFA Forms are not supported

[Oliver Sander]

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--- Comment #17 from Oliver Sander  ---
I wonder if it is feasible to aim for some form of partial support?  A lot
would be gained already if poppler were simply able to render the text on a
page, without any fancyness or even interactivity.

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[okular] [Bug 263042] XFA Forms are not supported

[Luigi Toscano]

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--- Comment #16 from Luigi Toscano  ---
IMHO it's fine to close this here, as it was before, if it belongs to poppler.

But let's not pretend that we can snap our fingers and all the "deprecated"
forms and their users (often slow moving enteriprises and, more important for
everyday life, hovernment institutions). We shouldn't act like the CUPS
project, which is deprecating the old PPD format, condemning a lot of hardware
(which is supposed to last for long time) to obsolescence.

For sure it would take a lot of money to implement this format and its support
is not probably going to happen, but that does not mean that it wouldn't be
useful and that it must die just because it's old.

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[okular] [Bug 263042] XFA Forms are not supported

[Nate Graham]

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--- Comment #15 from Nate Graham  ---
Sounds good to me. :)

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[okular] [Bug 263042] XFA Forms are not supported

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--- Comment #14 from Munzir Taha  ---
After Albert explanation, I don't see a reason this bug should be open here.
Actually after knowing that
1. It's now deprecated officially
2. It's an 1600 pp of proprietary format

I would go and close my bug at poppler too,
https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/poppler/poppler/issues/364

It wasn't deprecated officially when I filed mine. Even if there is enough
money and resources we shouldn't bring the dead to life again. Let it die with
peace for free.

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[okular] [Bug 263042] XFA Forms are not supported

[Andrew DeMarsh]

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--- Comment #12 from Andrew DeMarsh  ---
Thank you Albert that clarifies things for me and most likely others that
look back on this.

On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 7:10 AM Albert Astals Cid 
wrote:

> *Comment # 11  on bug
> 263042  from Albert Astals Cid
>  *
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> The pdf spec is 1000 pages, the XFA spec is 1600 pages.
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[okular] [Bug 263042] XFA Forms are not supported

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--- Comment #13 from Andrew DeMarsh  ---
Created attachment 123750
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attachment-32018-0.html

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[okular] [Bug 263042] XFA Forms are not supported

[Albert Astals Cid]

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--- Comment #11 from Albert Astals Cid  ---
The pdf spec is 1000 pages, the XFA spec is 1600 pages.

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[okular] [Bug 263042] XFA Forms are not supported

[Andrew DeMarsh]

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--- Comment #10 from Andrew DeMarsh  ---
Regarding your "reality check" does the support depend on this money due to
some technical resource cost or for you to consider supporting it. Telling
government agencies to regenerate millions of forms in a new format is like
asking all of kde to switch to meson overnight when it adds very little to the
end product beyond being a newer build system. Asking them to stop producing
them also doesn't eliminate old/legacy docs. I am not trying to be critical of
anyone but I have never seen an explanation on why this is a problem and it
isn't very fair that when someone Google's the "XFA forms are not supported"
error they end up here with no explanation other than "ask poppler to support
it and then we can" and now "it'll cost money" but no mention of why.

On November 5, 2019, at 16:10, Albert Astals Cid 
wrote:

Comment # 9 on bug 263042 from Albert Astals Cid Just a reality check, XFA
forms are 99.98% never going to be supported unless you come by a few hundred
thousands euros. XFA is also deprecated in PDF 2.0 so whoever is giving you
those kind of files, you should tell them to stop producing them. 

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[okular] [Bug 263042] XFA Forms are not supported

[Albert Astals Cid]

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--- Comment #9 from Albert Astals Cid  ---
Just a reality check, XFA forms are 99.98% never going to be supported unless
you come by a few hundred thousands euros.

XFA is also deprecated in PDF 2.0 so whoever is giving you those kind of files,
you should tell them to stop producing them.

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[okular] [Bug 263042] XFA Forms are not supported

[Nate Graham]

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--- Comment #7 from Nate Graham  ---
*** Bug 299816 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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[okular] [Bug 263042] XFA Forms are not supported

[Nate Graham]

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--- Comment #8 from Nate Graham  ---
*** Bug 413852 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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[okular] [Bug 263042] XFA Forms are not supported

[Nate Graham]

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--- Comment #6 from Nate Graham  ---
Bug trackers track actionable work. If 100% of the required work is in Poppler
such that Okular will gain the feature for free, then there is no work required
in Okular and hence this bug report does not track anything and should be
closed.

If on the other hand Okular will need some work to adopt the feature once it's
implemented in Poppler, then it's appropriate to keep this bug open to track
that work. I suppose technically once XFA support is added to Poppler, at the
minimum we'll need to remove the banner that warns you that XFA forms are
unsupported, so we can keep this open to track that.

But to reiterate, the bulk of the work needs to be done in Poppler, not in
Okular.

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[okular] [Bug 263042] XFA Forms are not supported

[Archisman Panigrahi]

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--- Comment #5 from Archisman Panigrahi  ---
I believe this should not be marked as resolved until this feature is
implemented in poppler, and Okular supports it. Lots of passport/government
applications require one to fill up XFA forms.

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[okular] [Bug 263042] XFA Forms are not supported

[Nate Graham]

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--- Comment #4 from Nate Graham  ---
FWIW, there's not much we can do here. Support needs to be added to poppler,
which is tracked with https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14265

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[okular] [Bug 263042] XFA Forms are not supported

[Michael Weghorn]

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[okular] [Bug 263042] XFA Forms are not supported

[Boian Berberov]

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[okular] [Bug 263042] XFA Forms are not supported

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