[plasmashell] [Bug 359127] Desktop theme KCM 'details' and editing tab no longer present/functional

[Soukyuu via KDE Bugzilla]

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--- Comment #35 from Soukyuu  ---
Oh. there was a .customized folder in that directory - that's where the theme
is.

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[Soukyuu via KDE Bugzilla]

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--- Comment #34 from Soukyuu  ---
So now that you have taken the possibility to edit themes from the GUI, how can
I export my current theme to protect it against accidental, irreversible
destruction? I tried looking into ~/.local/share/plasma/desktoptheme, but it
only contains the themes I downloaded via the "install more themes" button. My
current theme is listed as "(customized)" in System Settings->Desktop theme, so
it should be present somewhere.

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[plasmashell] [Bug 359127] Desktop theme KCM 'details' and editing tab no longer present/functional

[Michał Dybczak via KDE Bugzilla]

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--- Comment #33 from Michał Dybczak  ---
At the moment if I want to change or create a theme, I open iso with older
plasma version on Virtual Box and after file is done, send it to Dropbox.
Luckily I need just occasionally so I can live with this workaround but it's
far from perfect.
I hope that in feature this ability will show up again, although in another
form.
At the moment plasma 5 has lot of theme lacks comparing to kde4 so we need to
create new themes but now the process became cumbersome :(.

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--- Comment #32 from bluescreen_aven...@verizon.net ---
I'm going to miss the ability to set the systray icons TBH. This is the other
setting that seems to work mostly.
I have oxylighter5 icons for my systray, air for everything else. Could that
setting be moved to the systray settings?

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[plasmashell] [Bug 359127] Desktop theme KCM 'details' and editing tab no longer present/functional

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[plasmashell] [Bug 359127] Desktop theme KCM 'details' and editing tab no longer present/functional

[Wulf via KDE Bugzilla]

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--- Comment #31 from Wulf  ---
just for the record:
(In reply to Kai Uwe Broulik from comment #13)
> Panel Background - doesn't work
worked for me in Plasma 5.5 and works in Plasma 5.6 with theme air

> Translucent background - didn't have an applet that uses that
worked for me for me for a simple symbol in Plasma 5.5 with theme air,
unfortunately is does not work anymore in Plasma 5.6

these were the only things I changed from default theme breeze, thankfully I
saved my changed theme before installing Plasma 5.6 and I'm not lucky, that
this feature has gone.

And the themes from kde-look.org .. I don't like them; and it's really
annoying, that Plasma 5.6 offers themes for KDE4

The "

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[plasmashell] [Bug 359127] Desktop theme KCM 'details' and editing tab no longer present/functional

[Michał Dybczak via KDE Bugzilla]

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--- Comment #30 from Michał Dybczak  ---
I'm not happy with the result but I understand the problem. I would help out if
I had the skills and... time. Also struggle with the latter so I can empathize.
It's sad thou that customizability - a core of kde identity is a victim here.

At the moment we are leaning towards the situation where some other DEs have
features that KDE doesn't have, like changing kickstarter icon (you can do it
in Cinnamon and some other DEs). Sure, we can always edit things manually, but
KDE is complicated enough and to find the proper location, file and what to
edit is pain in the ass. Also the huge changes that KDE went through caused
that searching in google returns mainly obsolete results, what makes finding an
info about current KDE version and solutions is even harder.

What is this theme explorer you are talking about? I run it through google but
came with obsolete and mixed results.

It would be awesome if a theme creator/editor app would came to life or maybe
someday this theme editing feature will show up in some other form?
Or maybe some well written guide for editing KDE themes? Tried to find
something like that for gnome 3.18 but it was crazy - tons of information but
everything that I didn't want, none of what I searched - and all I wanted was
only to find BASIC info about structure of files and directory for theming in
certain gnome version so I could find the part I want to edit. Frankly, the
lack of appearance flexibility in gnome is the result I always return to kde
(and some cool other stuff that other DEs lack). So for me the latest change is
a massive blow, despite of the reasons.

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[plasmashell] [Bug 359127] Desktop theme KCM 'details' and editing tab no longer present/functional

[Jens Reuterberg via KDE Bugzilla]

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--- Comment #29 from Jens Reuterberg  ---

> Why not just give a little love to that feature rather then removing it? It
> was very useful! This was one of the biggest features I loved about kde, I
> could customize it in the inside (how it works) and outside (how it looks).
> Now it's like the half of it was gone. My feeling is, we're going in the
> direction of gnome. What is the point of KDE existing if not being extremely
> customable and a complete opposite to gnome philosophy? People love KDE for
> it and now KDE seems to loose its identity. I'm sad because of that.

It simply is one of math - we have a very very limited amount of devs, very few
people from the community helping out meaning that even smaller issues becomes
things that soak up time for everyone.

The theme editor didn't work well enough to be included with a good conscience
and currently the best method is one where you use the Plasma-SDK package to
check, blend and test themes (the Theme Explorer specifically) - granted I too
want a better situation where perhaps we could have a "theme creator" as an
application or something. But that has to be a future choice and one based on
whether there are people enough to do it. Having a Plasma desktop starting,
working as expected, systemtray etc is more relevant than the theme editor
which is harsh but the truth. 

Love sadly is no match against "manpower", "time" and "developer fatigue"

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[plasmashell] [Bug 359127] Desktop theme KCM 'details' and editing tab no longer present/functional

[Michał Dybczak via KDE Bugzilla]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=359127

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--- Comment #28 from Michał Dybczak  ---
I'm joining the discussion because for me missing of those features is a big
step back.

Most of themes that are said to be transparent add it only slightly and for me
they are no go. Only ones available for TRUE transparency were Diamond and
Polished Stones, however they're were elements in them that weren't working
well for me:
- diamond adds white border to windows manager in desktop panel and the whole
look is not flat and obsolete,
- polished stones adds ugly, green icons and fonts on panel bar
- both use kubuntu icon kickstarter while I use manjaro and prefer to have
manjaro icon (far better looking)

The removed feature allowed me to mix manjaro's default flat them Maia with
diamond's elements to create exactly the flat, glassy, modern look I want and
LOVE!

Now the feature is gone and in the future if I wanted to change the look I
would be stuck with different/ugly/unfitting kickstarter (most themes use
default - kubuntu's one) and lot of other effects I dislike.

Sure, the feature of advanced theme mixing was a bit buggy but with some
experimentation one was able to achieve desired effect that works well.

Why not just give a little love to that feature rather then removing it? It was
very useful! This was one of the biggest features I loved about kde, I could
customize it in the inside (how it works) and outside (how it looks). Now it's
like the half of it was gone. My feeling is, we're going in the direction of
gnome. What is the point of KDE existing if not being extremely customable and
a complete opposite to gnome philosophy? People love KDE for it and now KDE
seems to loose its identity. I'm sad because of that.

I still hope that once devs figure out how to make this mixing theme feature
work, it will come back. Maybe not it the same version but still. Customizing
desktop look to such a degree EASILY that no other DE was able to, made KDE to
stand out, but now it became just average. A huge loos :(.

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[plasmashell] [Bug 359127] Desktop theme KCM 'details' and editing tab no longer present/functional

[FBrown via KDE Bugzilla]

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--- Comment #25 from FBrown  ---
(In reply to Kai Uwe Broulik from comment #22)
> but the way the details KCM worked just wasn't up
> to the standards we have set for Plasma 5.

I can see that, as seems the standards to be set are a constant lowering of the
bar.

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[FBrown via KDE Bugzilla]

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--- Comment #24 from FBrown  ---
(In reply to Kai Uwe Broulik from comment #20)
> Even partially is unacceptable, 

Has always been the case. It's not something new.

> especially that going back to a vanilla  state is completely unintitive with 
> this UI...

Never had the slightest problem, as seems perfectly intuitive here. you just
select something other than the customised theme.

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[plasmashell] [Bug 359127] Desktop theme KCM 'details' and editing tab no longer present/functional

[Florian Röhrer via KDE Bugzilla]

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--- Comment #19 from Florian Röhrer  ---
I also experimented a lot with this feature and i really do not understand how
one is able to break the desktop. 
Kai Uwe Broulik, don't get me wrong, i read your blog sometimes and usually you
really do a great job but i simply do not understand the decision to remove
this feature.

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[FBrown via KDE Bugzilla]

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--- Comment #23 from FBrown  ---
(In reply to Florian Röhrer from comment #21)
> I use a mixture of the Breeze-dark Theme and the Velours Theme from
> kde-look.org and this really looks awesome for me. There is no Theme
> available which really meets my requirements more.

Similar here. There is no alternative on KDE-look that does the job for me, but
I can achieve it very simply with this feature

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[plasmashell] [Bug 359127] Desktop theme KCM 'details' and editing tab no longer present/functional

[Kai Uwe Broulik via KDE Bugzilla]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=359127

--- Comment #22 from Kai Uwe Broulik  ---
Feel free to continue the discussion over in the review request, a bug tracker
is not the right place for this: https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/126953/

As you can see it has been accepted by people from all involved parties
(Usability, Visual Design and Plasma developers), including the original author
of this module. Again, I'm not saying that we don't want to have
customizability there, I can see that some people might prefer a more
translucent look of Breeze but the way the details KCM worked just wasn't up to
the standards we have set for Plasma 5.

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[plasmashell] [Bug 359127] Desktop theme KCM 'details' and editing tab no longer present/functional

[Florian Röhrer via KDE Bugzilla]

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--- Comment #21 from Florian Röhrer  ---
I use a mixture of the Breeze-dark Theme and the Velours Theme from
kde-look.org and this really looks awesome for me. There is no Theme available
which really meets my requirements more.

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[plasmashell] [Bug 359127] Desktop theme KCM 'details' and editing tab no longer present/functional

[FBrown via KDE Bugzilla]

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--- Comment #18 from FBrown  ---
For example what I am using at the moment is mostly Breeze, but as some element
are a bit ugly or lack transparency they are swapped out for something else.

- Panel Background - swapped for a more purely transparent version from another
theme
- Task items - similarly swapped for more transparent ones with not as
prominent borders.
- Systray icons - swapped to a more pre-Breeze style, as the Breeze ones are
not as intuitive as previous ones.

That is quite minimal compared to what I may have done in the past, but I have
experimented with changing more, and have certainly not managed to 'break the
desktop' as Kai Uwe Broulik implies is going to be the case.

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[plasmashell] [Bug 359127] Desktop theme KCM 'details' and editing tab no longer present/functional

[Florian Röhrer via KDE Bugzilla]

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--- Comment #17 from Florian Röhrer  ---
I agree. Also one not working setting is no reason to remove the whole feature

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[FBrown via KDE Bugzilla]

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--- Comment #16 from FBrown  ---
(In reply to Florian Röhrer from comment #15)
>The only thing of it which really does not work ist the logout dialog. Al the 
>other things work fine...

In that case, you just leave that at the default or other working choice. 

You can pick and choose what looks/works best for you, which is the point of
this feature.

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[Florian Röhrer via KDE Bugzilla]

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--- Comment #15 from Florian Röhrer  ---
I also have just checked the whole list you postet in a virtual machine wich
has this feature because i did not update it. The only thing of it which really
does not work ist the logout dialog. Al the other things work fine...

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[FBrown via KDE Bugzilla]

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--- Comment #14 from FBrown  ---
My experience with Plasma 5.5.5

Panel Background - works fine 
Kickoff - works fine  
Task items - works fine (some themes incompatible with some panel backgrounds ,
but that is the price of choice, and this has always bee the way)
Widget background - works fine 
Translucent background - works fine last time I used one that did
Dialog background - works fine 
Analog clock - never use
Sticky notes - fine
Tooltips - works fine 
Pager - works fine  
Run command - works fine 
Logout dialog - works fine (some theme incompatible, but that is the price of
choice, and this has always bee the way)
Icons - works fine, an allows you to get rid of most of the awful Breeze ones

Has always been the way that if you are going to mix and match some theme
element, they will not always play nicely with each other. That has has been
the case for the entire of plasma 4-5, and as said it's a price that has always
been the case with this feature. It is not something new or startling.

I never and still don't ever ended up with a COMPLETELY broken desktop.

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[plasmashell] [Bug 359127] Desktop theme KCM 'details' and editing tab no longer present/functional

[Kai Uwe Broulik via KDE Bugzilla]

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--- Comment #13 from Kai Uwe Broulik  ---
Color Scheme - breaks background contrast effect, and also in 5.6 Plasma themes
can follow the system color scheme allowing you to use *any* color combination
rather than a random selection of the installed themes.
Panel Background - doesn't work
Kickoff - doesn't work
Task items - breaks Task Manager
Widget background - kinda works but renders broken
Translucent background - didn't have an applet that uses that
Dialog background - doesn't work
Analog clock - works but this should rather be in the applet's settings rather
than globally for the theme
Sticky notes - doesn't work
Tooltips - doesn't work
Pager - doesn't work
Run command - doesn't work
Logout dialog - doesn't work and cannot as the logout dialog comes from the
Look and Feel package in Plasma 5 rather than the theme
Icons - changes the system tray icons but not those that come from the icon
theme as it does not change the system icon theme

Now I ended up with a completely broken desktop with the background contrast
effect broken no matter what I do. So, no, this thing is just broken beyond
repair. And yes, I did restart Plasma and nuked the caches everytime I changed
something. Sorry.

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[FBrown via KDE Bugzilla]

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--- Comment #12 from FBrown  ---
All work/worked here on multiple machines. Occasionally  there are some
instances of changes failing to apply or show the updated choice, but try again
and it invariably works.

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[Kai Uwe Broulik via KDE Bugzilla]

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--- Comment #10 from Kai Uwe Broulik  ---
Please watch your language. Feel free to step up as a maintainer. Fact is, this
thing hasn't seen any love in quite some time and most of its settings were
broken or didn't work.

I agree there are some theme options that are useful but they must be made part
of Plasma's theming capabilities and not like the details KCM which randomly
mixed and matched parts from other themes and copied files around to create a
new theme...

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[plasmashell] [Bug 359127] Desktop theme KCM 'details' and editing tab no longer present/functional

[Florian Röhrer via KDE Bugzilla]

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--- Comment #11 from Florian Röhrer  ---
Ok, then which setting did not work? I am really curious. 
I don't get what you mean by "watch your language". I did not insult anyone and
was not rude in any kind. I just pointed out my opinion.

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[Florian Röhrer via KDE Bugzilla]

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--- Comment #9 from Florian Röhrer  ---
For me the feature also always worked like a charm. I never encountered any
problems with it. I would really like to know why you think there was something
broken on it Kai Uwe Broulik? Also i have to point out: If a feature is
superfluous for YOU Kai Uwe Broulik, it does not mean it is for other
people...Maybe it would be better to just fix the many many bugs in Plasma 5
then to remove good features that work just fine...Just my 2 cents. I am quite
sure other users are of the same opinion.

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[FBrown via KDE Bugzilla]

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--- Comment #8 from FBrown  ---
@Florian Röhrer Yes, KDE/plasma is fast losing the good features and those that
one made it stand out.

@Kai Uwe Broulik The feature was NOT broken, as I used and use it often in <=
plasma 5.5. Maybe a bit buggy, but that is something to fix perhaps, an no
excuse for it's extermination.

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[Kai Uwe Broulik via KDE Bugzilla]

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--- Comment #7 from Kai Uwe Broulik  ---
*** Bug 360742 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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[Florian Röhrer via KDE Bugzilla]

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--- Comment #6 from Florian Röhrer  ---
@FBrown I totally agree with you. Right now i am thinking about changing my
Desktop environment which makes me really sad, because i love KDE. But they are
removing so many good parts of it, that i am thinkin about XFCE:(

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[Kai Uwe Broulik via KDE Bugzilla]

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--- Comment #3 from Kai Uwe Broulik  ---
Sorry, I didn't fully read your comment. :)

Rather than allowing the user to mix and match random parts of random themes, I
suggest we rather have a dedicated setting for the transparency/background
contrast. Also, I think there's plans to make Plasma follow the regular icon
theme. Furthermore, I have a patch locally to allow Analog Clock to choose a
clock face from any installed theme.

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--- Comment #5 from FBrown  ---
> Rather than allowing the user to mix and match random parts of random themes, 
> I suggest we rather have a dedicated setting for the transparency/background 
> contrast. Also, I think there's plans to make Plasma follow the regular icon 
> theme. Furthermore, I have a patch locally to allow Analog Clock to choose a 
> clock face from any installed theme.

That would be great, but I still want to be able to mix/match theme element to
get something that works better for me.

Otherwise I'm going to have to hack together the svg elements from several
different themes manually, rather than the simple process of just selecting
different ones via KCM.

If I wanted my desktop to constantly remove useful features and make my life
difficult, I would use Gnome. :P

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[FBrown via KDE Bugzilla]

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--- Comment #4 from FBrown  ---
The feature to apply a customised theme with elements chosen from several
different ones works, is not obsolete and is certainly not superfluous.

e.g. example here where the default Breeze dark elements for icons, panel
background, task items etc have been switched for more visually useful ones
which work better in my user case.

http://i.imgur.com/rAbxYuk.png

The ability to customise things such as this and get your desktop working for
you is one of KDE/plasma's biggest + points and is a major reason why I use use
it. Unnecessarily removing useful customisation features is a very backward
step.

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--- Comment #1 from FBrown  ---
Responsible commit

https://quickgit.kde.org/?p=plasma-desktop.git=commit=35bfaf2978ce4e24c07238b0230dd48b2ac6b566

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--- Comment #2 from Kai Uwe Broulik  ---
I'm sorry but most of the settings in there are broken, obsolete or
superfluous. Can you elaborate which settings you need, so we could come up
with a sufficient solution?

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