[plasmashell] [Bug 370465] Window state is hard to tell by looking at the task manager button; consider using different background colors for more states

[Flupp]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=370465

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--- Comment #20 from Flupp  ---
Created attachment 140164
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different window/button states with plasma-workspace 5.22.3

(Upload image again with correct MIME type.)

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[plasmashell] [Bug 370465] Window state is hard to tell by looking at the task manager button; consider using different background colors for more states

[Flupp]

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--- Comment #19 from Flupp  ---
Created attachment 140163
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different window/button states with plasma-workspace 5.22.3

With the patch from 2019-12-09, which (also) uses the background color for
representing the window state, the situation got much better. Thanks!

However, an important issues I initially mentioned still remains:

“
* A hovered button always has the same visual representation, disregarding the
state of the window completely. This implies, that the visual representation
does not change after clicking the button, while the actual state of the window
does change. I often click task bar buttons repeatedly, because I do not see a
change of the button and the related window is in another corner of another
monitor and therefore out of my field of view.
”

I am not sure if I shall reopen this issue or create another issue for that.

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[plasmashell] [Bug 370465] Window state is hard to tell by looking at the task manager button; consider using different background colors for more states

[Nate Graham]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=370465

--- Comment #18 from Nate Graham  ---
It's a bug in the Norway color scheme. Whenever you change anything, you find
all kinds of bugs in the customization options. :)

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[plasmashell] [Bug 370465] Window state is hard to tell by looking at the task manager button; consider using different background colors for more states

[Michael D]

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--- Comment #17 from Michael D  ---
Created attachment 126482
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New vs old theme: in new can't distinguish focused window (dolphin)

Norway color scheme used

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[plasmashell] [Bug 370465] Window state is hard to tell by looking at the task manager button; consider using different background colors for more states

[Michael D]

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--- Comment #16 from Michael D  ---
I know this is already marked as fixed, however, with the recent changes, I
find it harder to distinguish the focused window from the others when using
certain color schemes. I've attached a screenshot showing the difference
between old and new Breeze theme using the Norway color scheme. With the new
changes it is virtually impossible to distinguish the focused window (dolphin).
With the old theme, it's much easier to distinguish it. I haven't tested other
color schemes except the default Breeze one where the recent changes actually
help rather than hurt.

Is there a fix that might help no matter the color scheme?

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[plasmashell] [Bug 370465] Window state is hard to tell by looking at the task manager button; consider using different background colors for more states

[Nate Graham]

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[plasmashell] [Bug 370465] Window state is hard to tell by looking at the task manager button; consider using different background colors for more states

[Noah Davis]

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Noah Davis  changed:

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   Version Fixed In||5.66
 Resolution|--- |FIXED
 Status|CONFIRMED   |RESOLVED
  Latest Commit||https://commits.kde.org/pla
   ||sma-framework/7e52c869de2d5
   ||8ff714b60252041a447db2c10c0

--- Comment #15 from Noah Davis  ---
Git commit 7e52c869de2d58ff714b60252041a447db2c10c0 by Noah Davis.
Committed on 09/12/2019 at 18:00.
Pushed by ndavis into branch 'master'.

Added background colors to active and inactive icon view

Summary:
Added:
- Semi-transparent blue background color for active window
- Semi-transparent gray background color for inactive but not minimized window

Changed:
- Reduced opacity for minimized background
FIXED-IN: 5.66

Test Plan:
Before:
{F7804957}
After:
{F7805236}

Reviewers: #vdg, ngraham, niccolove

Reviewed By: #vdg, ngraham

Subscribers: filipf, manueljlin, ngraham, ndavis, kde-frameworks-devel

Tags: #frameworks

Differential Revision: https://phabricator.kde.org/D25340

M  +976  -4784 src/desktoptheme/breeze/widgets/tasks.svg

https://commits.kde.org/plasma-framework/7e52c869de2d58ff714b60252041a447db2c10c0

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[plasmashell] [Bug 370465] Window state is hard to tell by looking at the task manager button; consider using different background colors for more states

[Nate Graham]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=370465

--- Comment #14 from Nate Graham  ---
FWIW this isn't a Task Manager bug, it's a Breeze Plasma theme bug.

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[plasmashell] [Bug 370465] Window state is hard to tell by looking at the task manager button; consider using different background colors for more states

[David Edmundson]

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  Component|Look & Feel package |Task Manager
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[plasmashell] [Bug 370465] Window state is hard to tell by looking at the task manager button; consider using different background colors for more states

[Postix]

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[plasmashell] [Bug 370465] Window state is hard to tell by looking at the task manager button; consider using different background colors for more states

[Nate Graham]

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--- Comment #13 from Nate Graham  ---
We've got an open patch that will fix this: https://phabricator.kde.org/D25340

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[Nate Graham]

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--- Comment #12 from Nate Graham  ---
*** Bug 405602 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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[plasmashell] [Bug 370465] Window state is hard to tell by looking at the task manager button; consider using different background colors for more states

[Nate Graham]

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--- Comment #11 from Nate Graham  ---
*** Bug 375684 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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[plasmashell] [Bug 370465] Window state is hard to tell by looking at the task manager button; consider using different background colors for more states

[Nate Graham]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=370465

Nate Graham  changed:

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  Component|Task Manager|Look & Feel package
 Status|REPORTED|CONFIRMED
 Ever confirmed|0   |1
   Assignee|h...@kde.org|plasma-b...@kde.org
Summary|window state is hard to |Window state is hard to
   |tell by looking at the task |tell by looking at the task
   |manager button  |manager button; consider
   ||using different background
   ||colors for more states

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[plasmashell] [Bug 370465] window state is hard to tell by looking at the task manager button

[Patrick Silva]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=370465

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[plasmashell] [Bug 370465] window state is hard to tell by looking at the task manager button

[Nate Graham]

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--- Comment #10 from Nate Graham  ---
*** Bug 164218 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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[plasmashell] [Bug 370465] window state is hard to tell by looking at the task manager button

[Nate Graham]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=370465

--- Comment #9 from Nate Graham  ---
(In reply to Kai Uwe Broulik from comment #8)
> > A colored square behind the running and active program gets a background 
> > color equal to "Selection Background" from the color theme
> 
> We had exactly what you suggest for a while and then it was changed back to
> line art. Can we stop randomly changing theme whenever someone comes by and
> doesn't like something unless it actually comes enclosed with a 20 page
> empirical study made in a lab or something?

For me it is not personal preference; it's a matter of usability and visual
communication:
- Using a thin gray or blue line to denote what's running and active
(respectively) is challenging to visually distinguish at a glance.
- Because a different background color is already used for minimized
windows/apps, not doing the same for running or active windows/apps visually
communicates to the user that it's more important to be able to tell when a
window or app is minimized than it is to tell when it's running or that it's
the active window, which seems odd.

Given that we already had the requested design in the past, I'd be interested
in knowing why it was changed to the current design. If the reason was because
the visual designers wanted it to look more "modern", "flat", "minimalistic",
or "material", then I would suggest that the onus should have been on *them* to
include the requested 20-page lab study. :)

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[plasmashell] [Bug 370465] window state is hard to tell by looking at the task manager button

[Kai Uwe Broulik]

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--- Comment #8 from Kai Uwe Broulik  ---
> A colored square behind the running and active program gets a background 
> color equal to "Selection Background" from the color theme

We had exactly what you suggest for a while and then it was changed back to
line art. Can we stop randomly changing theme whenever someone comes by and
doesn't like something unless it actually comes enclosed with a 20 page
empirical study made in a lab or something?

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[plasmashell] [Bug 370465] window state is hard to tell by looking at the task manager button

[Andres Betts]

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--- Comment #7 from Andres Betts  ---
I would be in favor of something like the proposed change. However, we have to
discuss colors at some point.

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[plasmashell] [Bug 370465] window state is hard to tell by looking at the task manager button

[Nate Graham]

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[plasmashell] [Bug 370465] window state is hard to tell by looking at the task manager button

[Simon Andric]

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[Nate Graham]

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[plasmashell] [Bug 370465] window state is hard to tell by looking at the task manager button

[Nate Graham]

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--- Comment #6 from Nate Graham  ---
Created attachment 108368
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Crude mockup of proposed changes (move to colored backgrounds for everything)

Proposal:

- A colored square behind the running and active program gets a background
color equal to "Selection Background" from the color theme
- A colored square behind running but inactive programs gets a background color
equal to "Alternate Background" from the color theme
- A colored square behind minimized programs gets a background color equal to
"Alternate Background" from the color theme, but darkened.

Crude mockup attached.

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[plasmashell] [Bug 370465] window state is hard to tell by looking at the task manager button

[Nate Graham]

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--- Comment #5 from Nate Graham  ---
*** Bug 384290 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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[plasmashell] [Bug 370465] window state is hard to tell by looking at the task manager button

[JanKusanagi]

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[plasmashell] [Bug 370465] window state is hard to tell by looking at the task manager button

[David Edmundson]

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--- Comment #4 from David Edmundson  ---
*** Bug 350356 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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[plasmashell] [Bug 370465] window state is hard to tell by looking at the task manager button

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--- Comment #3 from bugs.kde@derflupp.e4ward.com ---
Created attachment 101999
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different window/button states with plasma-workspace 5.8.3

In the current version (plasma-workspace 5.8.3), the distinction between
hovered and active buttons is better in my opinion. Yet, the problems that I
stated in comment 0 still persist. I would even argue that minimized tasks now
stand out even more.

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[plasmashell] [Bug 370465] window state is hard to tell by looking at the task manager button

[Daniel Faust]

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[plasmashell] [Bug 370465] window state is hard to tell by looking at the task manager button

[Eike Hein via KDE Bugzilla]

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--- Comment #2 from Eike Hein  ---
VDG needs to look at it.

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[plasmashell] [Bug 370465] window state is hard to tell by looking at the task manager button

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--- Comment #1 from bugs.kde@derflupp.e4ward.com ---
Created attachment 101527
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different window/button states

A screenshot of the different window/button states in the same order as listed
above.

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