[plasmashell] [Bug 436318] Save session doesn't work under Wayland
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=436318 --- Comment #98 from Patrick O'Callaghan --- (In reply to Bernd Steinhauser from comment #97) > (In reply to Patrick O'Callaghan from comment #96) > > > > (you'll have to scroll down. The current list archive system doesn't seem to > > offer links to a specific message). > > Click on the link symbol in the upper right corner of the message. > > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/k...@lists.fedoraproject.org/ > message/HP26SLPOXK264324MAJMVC24MDEMOXQ7/ Thanks. The reference is: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/k...@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/XSBZENY3VQCY57W3GXGCL7RMFZDANLTO/ -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[plasmashell] [Bug 436318] Save session doesn't work under Wayland
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[plasmashell] [Bug 436318] Save session doesn't work under Wayland
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=436318 --- Comment #97 from Bernd Steinhauser --- (In reply to Patrick O'Callaghan from comment #96) > > (you'll have to scroll down. The current list archive system doesn't seem to > offer links to a specific message). Click on the link symbol in the upper right corner of the message. https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/k...@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/HP26SLPOXK264324MAJMVC24MDEMOXQ7/ -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[plasmashell] [Bug 436318] Save session doesn't work under Wayland
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=436318 --- Comment #96 from Patrick O'Callaghan --- (In reply to postix from comment #95) > As you just quoted "The plan right now is as follows:" this was the plan > back in 2023. If you look at the "Version Fixed in" on the top right, it > says 6.1. You have to wait til June or so. :) In a post from January, Neil said he hoped to have this working for F40: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/k...@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/PMAYGU3UJ6RXEOBGQJD6ZPKBLXEYLNJ2/ (you'll have to scroll down. The current list archive system doesn't seem to offer links to a specific message). -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[plasmashell] [Bug 436318] Save session doesn't work under Wayland
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=436318 --- Comment #95 from postix --- As you just quoted "The plan right now is as follows:" this was the plan back in 2023. If you look at the "Version Fixed in" on the top right, it says 6.1. You have to wait til June or so. :) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[plasmashell] [Bug 436318] Save session doesn't work under Wayland
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=436318 --- Comment #94 from Patrick O'Callaghan --- (In reply to Nate Graham from comment #62) > The plan right now is as follows: > - For Plasma 6.0, implement a sort of fake session restore that on login, > simply re-opens apps that were open on last logout, and count on apps that > have state worth saving doing the saving themselves (and many apps already > do; for example Firefox, Discord, Dolphin, Kate, Kile, Elisa...). > - For a later Plasma 6 version, implement real session restore that's > governed by a new Wayland protocol (one is in progress) and make KDE apps > opt into it. > - After that, keep the fake session restore and use it for apps that don't > opt into the real session restore. > > This should ultimately produce a better UX than on X11, where many apps > never opted into session restore and so it was semi-random as to which apps > got launched on login. I've just installed Fedora 40 with Plasma 6 on Wayland. I'm sorry to say the "fake session restore" simply doesn't work. The only app that re-opens on login is (ironically) Firefox, which isn't even a Plasma app. Both Konsole and Dolphin fail to appear and have to be started manually every time. Needless to say, this is a considerable inconvenience. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[plasmashell] [Bug 436318] Save session doesn't work under Wayland
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=436318 --- Comment #93 from David Edmundson --- >How about using this piece of software? That's not what's missing, that's a replacement for what we call "startkde" -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[plasmashell] [Bug 436318] Save session doesn't work under Wayland
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=436318 --- Comment #92 from Niklas Sombert --- (In reply to Piotr Mierzwinski from comment #91) > Session is restored in strange way. Firstly starts applications, so we have > black screen and starting apps. and at end starts plasmashell. > Second thing is that session in konsole is not restored, but in IceWm its > working well. Applications also start in front of a black screen for me as well in 5.27 on X (and have in 5.24 as well). -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[plasmashell] [Bug 436318] Save session doesn't work under Wayland
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=436318 --- Comment #91 from Piotr Mierzwinski --- Session is restored in strange way. Firstly starts applications, so we have black screen and starting apps. and at end starts plasmashell. Second thing is that session in konsole is not restored, but in IceWm its working well. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[plasmashell] [Bug 436318] Save session doesn't work under Wayland
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=436318 --- Comment #90 from Laurent Bonnaud --- How about using this piece of software? https://github.com/Vladimir-csp/uwsm -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[plasmashell] [Bug 436318] Save session doesn't work under Wayland
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=436318 --- Comment #89 from Nate Graham --- Once the proposed Wayland protocol gets approved and merged, support in Plasma will likely arrive quickly. I don't know if it's helpful to speculate as to when the protocol might get approved. It could be tomorrow and it could be in two years. Obviously we all would prefer the former over the latter. :) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[plasmashell] [Bug 436318] Save session doesn't work under Wayland
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[plasmashell] [Bug 436318] Save session doesn't work under Wayland
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=436318 --- Comment #88 from Patrick O'Callaghan --- (In reply to Nate Graham from comment #87) > Correct. Because real session restore is not implemented on Wayland yet, at > the moment this manual session restore hooks into the "real fake session > restore" mechanism that will be used until we get real session restore. Any idea on when real session-restore might be coming? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[plasmashell] [Bug 436318] Save session doesn't work under Wayland
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=436318 --- Comment #87 from Nate Graham --- Correct. Because real session restore is not implemented on Wayland yet, at the moment this manual session restore hooks into the "real fake session restore" mechanism that will be used until we get real session restore. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[plasmashell] [Bug 436318] Save session doesn't work under Wayland
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[plasmashell] [Bug 436318] Save session doesn't work under Wayland
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=436318 --- Comment #86 from Laurent Bonnaud --- > We've introduced a fallback. plasma-fallback-session-save which provides > something. Thanks! > It's not perfect. It just sees which apps were open and then reopens them. > The application has no mechanism to save any state. Let's take Konsole as an example. Does this mean that Konsole will not save its current directory? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[plasmashell] [Bug 436318] Save session doesn't work under Wayland
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=436318 David Edmundson changed: What|Removed |Added Latest Commit||https://invent.kde.org/plas ||ma/plasma-workspace/-/commi ||t/804976c5ecec1fbf5f6e7e099 ||70a8269bdf748d2 Resolution|--- |FIXED Status|CONFIRMED |RESOLVED --- Comment #85 from David Edmundson --- Git commit 804976c5ecec1fbf5f6e7e09970a8269bdf748d2 by David Edmundson. Committed on 08/03/2024 at 09:17. Pushed by davidedmundson into branch 'master'. Migrate manual session saving to plasma-shutdown This allows the wayland fallback session saving to run too and removes more ksmserver logic from our library code. session-restore is patched to also run when the configuration file is set to restore the manually saved session. M +0-3libkworkspace/CMakeLists.txt M +2-3libkworkspace/sessionmanagement.cpp M +1-0startkde/plasma-shutdown/org.kde.Shutdown.xml M +24 -2startkde/plasma-shutdown/shutdown.cpp M +1-0startkde/plasma-shutdown/shutdown.h M +1-1startkde/session-restore/restore.cpp https://invent.kde.org/plasma/plasma-workspace/-/commit/804976c5ecec1fbf5f6e7e09970a8269bdf748d2 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[plasmashell] [Bug 436318] Save session doesn't work under Wayland
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=436318 David Edmundson changed: What|Removed |Added CC||k...@davidedmundson.co.uk --- Comment #84 from David Edmundson --- We've introduced a fallback. plasma-fallback-session-save which provides something. It's not perfect. It just sees which apps were open and then reopens them. The application has no mechanism to save any state. There's definitely room for improvement, but that involves upstream and updating all applications(!) which isn't worth us tracking in our bug tracker. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[plasmashell] [Bug 436318] Save session doesn't work under Wayland
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=436318 Nate Graham changed: What|Removed |Added CC||dennis@thegood.cloud --- Comment #83 from Nate Graham --- *** Bug 479886 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[plasmashell] [Bug 436318] Save session doesn't work under Wayland
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=436318 Nate Graham changed: What|Removed |Added Priority|NOR |HI --- Comment #82 from Nate Graham --- Promoting this to be a 15-minute bug since it's Wayland-only and the Wayland-session is the default in Plasma 6 now. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[plasmashell] [Bug 436318] Save session doesn't work under Wayland
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[plasmashell] [Bug 436318] Save session doesn't work under Wayland
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[plasmashell] [Bug 436318] Save session doesn't work under Wayland
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[plasmashell] [Bug 436318] Save session doesn't work under Wayland
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[plasmashell] [Bug 436318] Save session doesn't work under Wayland
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[plasmashell] [Bug 436318] Save session doesn't work under Wayland
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=436318 --- Comment #79 from imagina...@mailbox.org --- (In reply to Nate Graham from comment #78) > (In reply to imaginator from comment #76) > > Alright, maybe my question was a bit too difficult to understand. So I > > rephrase it a bit: will session restore in Plasma-6-X11 work _right from the > > start_ as it does in Plasma-5-X11 or not? Some people don't give a damn > > about Wayland but do care about reliable and complete session restore. > > On X11? No changes have been made to session restore on X11 there so I would > expect so. However I can't personally guarantee no regressions, as I'm not > personally using X11 anymore and therefore not testing for regressions > there. Someone else will need to step in for that. Thanks for clarifying this. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[plasmashell] [Bug 436318] Save session doesn't work under Wayland
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=436318 --- Comment #78 from Nate Graham --- (In reply to imaginator from comment #76) > Alright, maybe my question was a bit too difficult to understand. So I > rephrase it a bit: will session restore in Plasma-6-X11 work _right from the > start_ as it does in Plasma-5-X11 or not? Some people don't give a damn > about Wayland but do care about reliable and complete session restore. On X11? No changes have been made to session restore on X11 there so I would expect so. However I can't personally guarantee no regressions, as I'm not personally using X11 anymore and therefore not testing for regressions there. Someone else will need to step in for that. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[plasmashell] [Bug 436318] Save session doesn't work under Wayland
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=436318 --- Comment #77 from ticonzero --- Count me among those who need reliable session restore, I'm stuck with xubuntu 20.4 and will stay there until session restore will work properly On Tue, 19 Dec 2023, 10:07 , wrote: > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=436318 > > --- Comment #76 from imagina...@mailbox.org --- > (In reply to Nate Graham from comment #62) > > The plan right now is as follows: > > - For Plasma 6.0, implement a sort of fake session restore that on login, > > simply re-opens apps that were open on last logout, and count on apps > that > > have state worth saving doing the saving themselves (and many apps > already > > do; for example Firefox, Discord, Dolphin, Kate, Kile, Elisa...). > > - For a later Plasma 6 version, implement real session restore that's > > governed by a new Wayland protocol (one is in progress) and make KDE apps > > opt into it. > > - After that, keep the fake session restore and use it for apps that > don't > > opt into the real session restore. > > > > This should ultimately produce a better UX than on X11, where many apps > > never opted into session restore and so it was semi-random as to which > apps > > got launched on login. > > Alright, maybe my question was a bit too difficult to understand. So I > rephrase it a bit: will session restore in Plasma-6-X11 work _right from > the > start_ as it does in Plasma-5-X11 or not? Some people don't give a damn > about > Wayland but do care about reliable and complete session restore. > > -- > You are receiving this mail because: > You are on the CC list for the bug. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[plasmashell] [Bug 436318] Save session doesn't work under Wayland
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=436318 --- Comment #76 from imagina...@mailbox.org --- (In reply to Nate Graham from comment #62) > The plan right now is as follows: > - For Plasma 6.0, implement a sort of fake session restore that on login, > simply re-opens apps that were open on last logout, and count on apps that > have state worth saving doing the saving themselves (and many apps already > do; for example Firefox, Discord, Dolphin, Kate, Kile, Elisa...). > - For a later Plasma 6 version, implement real session restore that's > governed by a new Wayland protocol (one is in progress) and make KDE apps > opt into it. > - After that, keep the fake session restore and use it for apps that don't > opt into the real session restore. > > This should ultimately produce a better UX than on X11, where many apps > never opted into session restore and so it was semi-random as to which apps > got launched on login. Alright, maybe my question was a bit too difficult to understand. So I rephrase it a bit: will session restore in Plasma-6-X11 work _right from the start_ as it does in Plasma-5-X11 or not? Some people don't give a damn about Wayland but do care about reliable and complete session restore. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[plasmashell] [Bug 436318] Save session doesn't work under Wayland
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[plasmashell] [Bug 436318] Save session doesn't work under Wayland
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=436318 --- Comment #75 from nkwkel...@gmail.com --- I have made two scripts (heavily modified from scripts that I found somewhere else) to help session restore semi-automatically: https://github.com/Kelvin-Ng/konsole-session-restore: This script saves and reopens the Konsole windows with original tabs and directories. https://github.com/Kelvin-Ng/kde-window-status-restore: This script saves and restores the statuses of the windows, currently only activity and desktop. Note that it does not reopen the windows. The windows will have to be first reopened before running the restore script. Hope these scripts are helpful. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[plasmashell] [Bug 436318] Save session doesn't work under Wayland
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=436318 --- Comment #74 from imagina...@mailbox.org --- (In reply to Nate Graham from comment #62) > The plan right now is as follows: > - For Plasma 6.0, implement a sort of fake session restore that on login, > simply re-opens apps that were open on last logout, and count on apps that > have state worth saving doing the saving themselves (and many apps already > do; for example Firefox, Discord, Dolphin, Kate, Kile, Elisa...). > - For a later Plasma 6 version, implement real session restore that's > governed by a new Wayland protocol (one is in progress) and make KDE apps > opt into it. > - After that, keep the fake session restore and use it for apps that don't > opt into the real session restore. > > This should ultimately produce a better UX than on X11, where many apps > never opted into session restore and so it was semi-random as to which apps > got launched on login. Does that plan also apply to Plasma-6-X11 or will session restore there just keep working like in Plasma-5-X11? Thanks. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=436318 --- Comment #73 from ticonzero --- the same here. On 02/12/23 09:36, Bruno Friedmann wrote: > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=436318 > > --- Comment #71 from Bruno Friedmann --- >> Does Konsole save session (the windows and tabs and the current directory of >> each tab) by itself? My experience is that it does not, but given that >> things like Kate does, why can't Konsole, which is also a KDE app, do that? >> Am I missing something? > Yes my experience proove it, I usually have 10 tabs opened in konsole, most of > them are dedicated to a relative work, and as such the directory in which the > last session was run, and is restored on the right desktop. > That IS the most reason I don't use (yet) Wayland. > -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[plasmashell] [Bug 436318] Save session doesn't work under Wayland
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=436318 --- Comment #72 from ilovekiruna --- (In reply to Bruno Friedmann from comment #71) > > Does Konsole save session (the windows and tabs and the current directory > > of each tab) by itself? My experience is that it does not, but given that > > things like Kate does, why can't Konsole, which is also a KDE app, do that? > > Am I missing something? > > Yes my experience proove it, I usually have 10 tabs opened in konsole, most > of them are dedicated to a relative work, and as such the directory in which > the last session was run, and is restored on the right desktop. > That IS the most reason I don't use (yet) Wayland. One workaround for Konsole exists on Stack-Exchange: https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/593779 It also works on Wayland. However, I believe this should be possible with built-in functionality. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[plasmashell] [Bug 436318] Save session doesn't work under Wayland
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=436318 --- Comment #71 from Bruno Friedmann --- > Does Konsole save session (the windows and tabs and the current directory of > each tab) by itself? My experience is that it does not, but given that things > like Kate does, why can't Konsole, which is also a KDE app, do that? > Am I missing something? Yes my experience proove it, I usually have 10 tabs opened in konsole, most of them are dedicated to a relative work, and as such the directory in which the last session was run, and is restored on the right desktop. That IS the most reason I don't use (yet) Wayland. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=436318 nkwkel...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC||nkwkel...@gmail.com --- Comment #70 from nkwkel...@gmail.com --- (In reply to Nate Graham from comment #62) > The plan right now is as follows: > - For Plasma 6.0, implement a sort of fake session restore that on login, > simply re-opens apps that were open on last logout, and count on apps that > have state worth saving doing the saving themselves (and many apps already > do; for example Firefox, Discord, Dolphin, Kate, Kile, Elisa...). > - For a later Plasma 6 version, implement real session restore that's > governed by a new Wayland protocol (one is in progress) and make KDE apps > opt into it. > - After that, keep the fake session restore and use it for apps that don't > opt into the real session restore. > > This should ultimately produce a better UX than on X11, where many apps > never opted into session restore and so it was semi-random as to which apps > got launched on login. Does Konsole save session (the windows and tabs and the current directory of each tab) by itself? My experience is that it does not, but given that things like Kate does, why can't Konsole, which is also a KDE app, do that? Am I missing something? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=436318 --- Comment #69 from Mihai Sorin Dobrescu --- Indeed, Dolphin lost a lot of its session features, like restoring at the original position. For me, being an Nvidia user (didn't know the drawbacks at the time and Plasma looked to work good enough with x11 and Nvidia), has become more and more unlikely I would move to the next Plasma at all. This combination that makes any input unusable, the mouse pointer or the keyboard signals being sent to Plasma after 30 secs or so, but also lacking session, are unacceptable. I understand some features are ~ maybe ~ difficult to implement, but basic features like these are a must. I can't expect from a user to rather change a laptop just because he would use a DE, sorry. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[plasmashell] [Bug 436318] Save session doesn't work under Wayland
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=436318 --- Comment #68 from Patrick O'Callaghan --- (In reply to Nate Graham from comment #62) > The plan right now is as follows: > - For Plasma 6.0, implement a sort of fake session restore that on login, > simply re-opens apps that were open on last logout, and count on apps that > have state worth saving doing the saving themselves (and many apps already > do; for example Firefox, Discord, Dolphin, Kate, Kile, Elisa...). Aside from the virtual desktop issue already mentioned by several people, it's worth noting that Dolphin does not currently restore its state correctly even under X11. Briefly, if you have more than one Dolphin window, some with the Terminal open and some not, the restored Dolphin will have all windows showing the Terminal in the same state, either open or closed, apparently at random. I reported this over a year ago (see https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=455324) but never saw a reply. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[plasmashell] [Bug 436318] Save session doesn't work under Wayland
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=436318 --- Comment #67 from Armin --- (In reply to Nate Graham from comment #62) > - For Plasma 6.0, implement a sort of fake session restore that on login, > simply re-opens apps that were open on last logout, […] Wow, that sounds great! I mean, real session restore would be a fantastic feature to have, but the “fake” option is already a great improvement to what we have at the moment (i.e. nothing). I got already worried this was dropped entirely when I saw the change in the showstopper bug list. This is after all by far the biggest pain point I have with KDE Wayland. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[plasmashell] [Bug 436318] Save session doesn't work under Wayland
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=436318 --- Comment #66 from Oleg Girko --- (In reply to Charles Dennett from comment #63) > Will what is planned for KDE 6 take into account multiple monitors and > multiple virtual desktops so that apps start in the desired monitor/virtual > desktop? And please don't forget about activities! I'm tired of moving Firefox windows to different activities manually each time after login even on KDE 5 X11 session. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[plasmashell] [Bug 436318] Save session doesn't work under Wayland
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=436318 --- Comment #65 from Nate Graham --- For the fake session restore, I can't make any promises about that. I've talked to the fellow doing the work and he wants to take those into consideration, but it becomes more technically challenging, so the first version might not. But I do expect those to *eventually* work in the fake session restore. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[plasmashell] [Bug 436318] Save session doesn't work under Wayland
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=436318 --- Comment #64 from ticonzero --- That is crucial! On 11/11/23 17:38, Charles Dennett wrote: > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=436318 > > --- Comment #63 from Charles Dennett --- > Will what is planned for KDE 6 take into account multiple monitors and > multiple > virtual desktops so that apps start in the desired monitor/virtual desktop? > -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[plasmashell] [Bug 436318] Save session doesn't work under Wayland
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=436318 --- Comment #63 from Charles Dennett --- Will what is planned for KDE 6 take into account multiple monitors and multiple virtual desktops so that apps start in the desired monitor/virtual desktop? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[plasmashell] [Bug 436318] Save session doesn't work under Wayland
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=436318 --- Comment #62 from Nate Graham --- The plan right now is as follows: - For Plasma 6.0, implement a sort of fake session restore that on login, simply re-opens apps that were open on last logout, and count on apps that have state worth saving doing the saving themselves (and many apps already do; for example Firefox, Discord, Dolphin, Kate, Kile, Elisa...). - For a later Plasma 6 version, implement real session restore that's governed by a new Wayland protocol (one is in progress) and make KDE apps opt into it. - After that, keep the fake session restore and use it for apps that don't opt into the real session restore. This should ultimately produce a better UX than on X11, where many apps never opted into session restore and so it was semi-random as to which apps got launched on login. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[plasmashell] [Bug 436318] Save session doesn't work under Wayland
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=436318 ilovekiruna changed: What|Removed |Added CC||hoe...@gmx.de --- Comment #61 from ilovekiruna --- from my understanding the issue was downgraded to a non-showstopper anymore. At least this is shown now in the wiki page (https://community.kde.org/Plasma/Wayland_Showstoppers). I hope that Qt-pluginable option will still be provided on plasma 6. Is there any update about when it will be integrated? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[plasmashell] [Bug 436318] Save session doesn't work under Wayland
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[plasmashell] [Bug 436318] Save session doesn't work under Wayland
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[plasmashell] [Bug 436318] Save session doesn't work under Wayland
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=436318 --- Comment #60 from postix --- > Does anyone know if session restore is supposed to be in plasma 6? The plan is to solve all Wayland Showstoppers - including session restore - until Plasma 6.0 is released [1] [1] https://pointieststick.com/2023/09/06/september-plasma-6-update/#comment-37811 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[plasmashell] [Bug 436318] Save session doesn't work under Wayland
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=436318 --- Comment #59 from Eric --- According to the plasma/wayland showstoppers page, session restore is a priority: https://community.kde.org/Plasma/Wayland_Showstoppers However, on the plasma 6 development page there is no mention of session restore: https://community.kde.org/Plasma/Plasma_6 Does anyone know if session restore is supposed to be in plasma 6? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[plasmashell] [Bug 436318] Save session doesn't work under Wayland
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[plasmashell] [Bug 436318] Save session doesn't work under Wayland
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[plasmashell] [Bug 436318] Save session doesn't work under Wayland
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[plasmashell] [Bug 436318] Save session doesn't work under Wayland
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[plasmashell] [Bug 436318] Save session doesn't work under Wayland
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=436318 --- Comment #58 from wdml...@gmail.com --- Still an issue on Kubuntu 22.04, going to switch back to X until it is fixed. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[plasmashell] [Bug 436318] Save session doesn't work under Wayland
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[plasmashell] [Bug 436318] Save session doesn't work under Wayland
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=436318 --- Comment #57 from Patrick O'Callaghan --- For a while I used a script based on: https://github.com/zepalmer/script-vdr but it's for Python-2 and X11 and I haven't tried to bring it up to date. It's based around wmctrl, which AFAIK is not supported on Wayland, but there might be something useful there. Note that it's designed to save/restore the windows belonging to one process, e.g. your browser, not the full user session. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[plasmashell] [Bug 436318] Save session doesn't work under Wayland
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=436318 Eric changed: What|Removed |Added CC||majzo...@umsl.edu --- Comment #56 from Eric --- Are there any reasonable workarounds? Say a script that reads all window positions, sizes, etc., and saves the information, and then another script that can read this info and open and arrange the windows? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[plasmashell] [Bug 436318] Save session doesn't work under Wayland
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[plasmashell] [Bug 436318] Save session doesn't work under Wayland
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[plasmashell] [Bug 436318] Save session doesn't work under Wayland
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=436318 --- Comment #55 from imagina...@mailbox.org --- (In reply to Patrick O'Callaghan from comment #54) > (In reply to devsk from comment #53) > > Looks like some work was started 3 months ago and then, it stopped. > > > > I tried to use wayland again to see if the experience is any better and went > > back to x11 after an hour of frustration. I have 4 different desktops for > > various projects and just restoring all my konsole windows (about 9 of them) > > and their tabs, and placing them in their respective places on each boot is > > a big pain. Let's not even talk about putting other apps where I am used to > > seeing them. > > > > How does a serious dev use wayland at all? I am just curious. > > My thoughts exactly. I've no doubt that serious devs *do* use Wayland, but > I've no idea what their workflow is like. For me, session restore is an > absolute requirement, so I keep feeling I must be missing something. Session restore is such a basic feature nowadays that it seems crazy to even have to waste one thought on it. It *has* to be there. Like wheels on a car. If not, something went seriously wrong somewhere. My way to deal with that - IMO disappointing - Wayland-show is that I simply don't care any more. To me it doesn't offer any benefit. And as long as there's a Plasma-X11 I'm happy. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[plasmashell] [Bug 436318] Save session doesn't work under Wayland
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=436318 --- Comment #54 from Patrick O'Callaghan --- (In reply to devsk from comment #53) > Looks like some work was started 3 months ago and then, it stopped. > > I tried to use wayland again to see if the experience is any better and went > back to x11 after an hour of frustration. I have 4 different desktops for > various projects and just restoring all my konsole windows (about 9 of them) > and their tabs, and placing them in their respective places on each boot is > a big pain. Let's not even talk about putting other apps where I am used to > seeing them. > > How does a serious dev use wayland at all? I am just curious. My thoughts exactly. I've no doubt that serious devs *do* use Wayland, but I've no idea what their workflow is like. For me, session restore is an absolute requirement, so I keep feeling I must be missing something. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[plasmashell] [Bug 436318] Save session doesn't work under Wayland
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=436318 --- Comment #53 from devsk --- Looks like some work was started 3 months ago and then, it stopped. I tried to use wayland again to see if the experience is any better and went back to x11 after an hour of frustration. I have 4 different desktops for various projects and just restoring all my konsole windows (about 9 of them) and their tabs, and placing them in their respective places on each boot is a big pain. Let's not even talk about putting other apps where I am used to seeing them. How does a serious dev use wayland at all? I am just curious. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[plasmashell] [Bug 436318] Save session doesn't work under Wayland
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[plasmashell] [Bug 436318] Save session doesn't work under Wayland
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[plasmashell] [Bug 436318] Save session doesn't work under Wayland
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=436318 Nate Graham changed: What|Removed |Added Assignee|k...@davidedmundson.co.uk|plasma-b...@kde.org Product|ksmserver |plasmashell Component|general |Session Management Target Milestone|--- |1.0 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[plasmashell] [Bug 436318] Save session doesn't work under Wayland
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