[systemsettings] [Bug 344588] 'Regional Setting - Formats - Region' setting behaves unexpected

[Nate Graham]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=344588

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--- Comment #14 from Nate Graham  ---
*** Bug 430229 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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[systemsettings] [Bug 344588] 'Regional Setting - Formats - Region' setting behaves unexpected

[Juha Tuomala]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=344588

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--- Comment #13 from Juha Tuomala  ---
(In reply to Dennis Schridde from comment #9)
> I have the exact same issue.
> 
> I wouldn't mind having my datestrings in German, but what really bothers me
> is that I select the "language" to be English and the "formats" to be
> German, but I end up getting German output on the console.
> 
> The reasons for this unexpected behaviour is that `.config/plasma-localerc`
> sets LANG when I choose a format:
> ```
> [Formats]
> LANG=de_DE.UTF-8
> 
> [Translations]
> LANGUAGE=en_GB:en_US:de
> ```
> 
> This results in the following `.config/plasma-locale-settings.sh` being
> generated:
> ```
> # Generated script, do not edit
> # Exports language-format specific env vars from startkde.
> # This script has been generated from kcmshell5 formats.
> # It will automatically be overwritten from there.
> export LANG=de_DE.UTF-8
> export LANGUAGE=en_GB:en_US:de
> ```
> 
> I would expect System Settings > Regional Settings > Translations to set
> LC_MESSAGES, LANG and LANGUAGE, while ... > Formats should set all other
> LC_*. That should be correct according to the specs - any misbehaving
> application would mean a bug in that application that KDE developers should
> not worry about.

This bug is going strong, years go by and nobody fixes this. I've seen major
bugs here live well over 10 years and nothing happens. These days I don't
report anything new, just whine in comments. This is just a big joke.

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[systemsettings] [Bug 344588] 'Regional Setting - Formats - Region' setting behaves unexpected

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[systemsettings] [Bug 344588] 'Regional Setting - Formats - Region' setting behaves unexpected

[Vadym Krevs]

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[systemsettings] [Bug 344588] 'Regional Setting - Formats - Region' setting behaves unexpected

[Maarten ter Huurne]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=344588

--- Comment #12 from Maarten ter Huurne  ---
The LANG environment variable assumes that the user will always want the
application language and the regional settings to match. This assumption is
wrong for people who prefer application language to be English and regional
settings from their own country. In particular computer-savvy people who know
all the terminology in English but may find the translated terminology
confusing. My estimate would be that a lot of KDE users who are not native
English speakers fall into this category.

So please... don't set LANG.

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[systemsettings] [Bug 344588] 'Regional Setting - Formats - Region' setting behaves unexpected

[Michael Reiher]

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--- Comment #11 from Michael Reiher  ---
Hmm... 2018 and still broken. Not even CONFIRMED... Same use case: I want
languages in English, formats in German. I just switched from KDE4 and there
this worked with out problems.
I'm not sure about the individual meanings of those locale enviroment vars, but
globally setting $LANG seems wrong.

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[systemsettings] [Bug 344588] 'Regional Setting - Formats - Region' setting behaves unexpected

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[systemsettings] [Bug 344588] 'Regional Setting - Formats - Region' setting behaves unexpected

[Maarten ter Huurne via KDE Bugzilla]

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--- Comment #10 from Maarten ter Huurne  ---
I'm running into the same problem: in KDE's settings, under Translations I set
Preferred Languages: American English, while under Formats I set Region:
Nederland - Nederlands (nl_NL). However, I get Dutch output from some programs
now, for example Make.

As Dennis wrote, the cause seems to be ~/.config/plasma-locale-settings.sh
which sets LANG to nl_NL. If I unset LANG, Make returns to printing English
messages.

POSIX.1-2008 describes LANG as:
This variable shall determine the locale category for native language, local
customs, and coded character set in the absence of the LC_ALL and other LC_*
(LC_COLLATE, LC_CTYPE, LC_MESSAGES, LC_MONETARY, LC_NUMERIC, LC_TIME)
environment variables. This can be used by applications to determine the
language to use for error messages and instructions, collating sequences, date
formats, and so on.

Since this definition mixes up language and regional settings, which should be
two entirely separate things, in my opinion it's best to not set LANG at all.

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[systemsettings] [Bug 344588] 'Regional Setting - Formats - Region' setting behaves unexpected

[Gregor Mi via KDE Bugzilla]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=344588

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[systemsettings] [Bug 344588] 'Regional Setting - Formats - Region' setting behaves unexpected

[Dennis Schridde via KDE Bugzilla]

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--- Comment #9 from Dennis Schridde  ---
I have the exact same issue.

I wouldn't mind having my datestrings in German, but what really bothers me is
that I select the "language" to be English and the "formats" to be German, but
I end up getting German output on the console.

The reasons for this unexpected behaviour is that `.config/plasma-localerc`
sets LANG when I choose a format:
```
[Formats]
LANG=de_DE.UTF-8

[Translations]
LANGUAGE=en_GB:en_US:de
```

This results in the following `.config/plasma-locale-settings.sh` being
generated:
```
# Generated script, do not edit
# Exports language-format specific env vars from startkde.
# This script has been generated from kcmshell5 formats.
# It will automatically be overwritten from there.
export LANG=de_DE.UTF-8
export LANGUAGE=en_GB:en_US:de
```

I would expect System Settings > Regional Settings > Translations to set
LC_MESSAGES, LANG and LANGUAGE, while ... > Formats should set all other LC_*.
That should be correct according to the specs - any misbehaving application
would mean a bug in that application that KDE developers should not worry
about.

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