Re: [kde-community] Oxygen Fonts kdereview removea

2014-07-08 Thread Ben Cooksley
On 9 July 2014 10:18, Albert Astals Cid  wrote:
> El Dijous, 3 de juliol de 2014, a les 15:08:31, Jonathan Riddell va escriure:
>> On Thu, Jul 03, 2014 at 04:02:46PM +0200, Sebastian K?gler wrote:
>> > On Thursday, July 03, 2014 14:49:13 Jonathan Riddell wrote:
>> > > Plasma 5 is going to default on Oxygen Fonts so we need Oxygen Fonts to
>> > > move to kde/workspace.
>> > >
>> > > It's currently in kdereview and I am using the release-0.4 branch.
>> > >
>> > > Please have a look and review.
>> >
>> > Wrong list?
>>
>> Ben suggested it should be sent to kde-core-devel or kde-community for
>> review, since it seemed less than core I picked this one.  Should I sent to
>> kde-core-devel?
>
> Our rules say kde-core-devel should always be informed of kdereview stuff, so
> i'd say yes.

The requirement does state kde-core-devel is the appropriate list for
reviews. I mentioned kde-community in case you'd asked for it to be
reviewed there for some reason and I had missed it.

>
> Cheers,
>   Albert

Thanks,
Ben

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Re: [kde-community] Oxygen Fonts kdereview removea

2014-07-08 Thread Albert Astals Cid
El Dijous, 3 de juliol de 2014, a les 15:08:31, Jonathan Riddell va escriure:
> On Thu, Jul 03, 2014 at 04:02:46PM +0200, Sebastian K?gler wrote:
> > On Thursday, July 03, 2014 14:49:13 Jonathan Riddell wrote:
> > > Plasma 5 is going to default on Oxygen Fonts so we need Oxygen Fonts to
> > > move to kde/workspace.
> > > 
> > > It's currently in kdereview and I am using the release-0.4 branch.
> > > 
> > > Please have a look and review.
> > 
> > Wrong list?
> 
> Ben suggested it should be sent to kde-core-devel or kde-community for
> review, since it seemed less than core I picked this one.  Should I sent to
> kde-core-devel?

Our rules say kde-core-devel should always be informed of kdereview stuff, so 
i'd say yes.

Cheers,
  Albert

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Re: [kde-community] Proposal to change to kde.org/download text

2014-07-08 Thread Jeremy Whiting
John,

I like it. I think it's well thought out and fixes the issues you mentioned.

BR,
Jeremy

On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 12:55 PM, John Layt  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> [Posting to community rather than www or promo as it covers all 3
> areas and this seems the best place for bike-shedding without spam
> cross-posting.]
>
> I spent a couple of hours on the weekend trying to walk someone
> through installing KDE on Windows.  While there were several issues
> with the KDE Windows Installer, an initial problem came with just
> finding the installer.  We started at http://www.kde.org/ and clicked
> on the prominent "Get KDE Software" which led to
> http://www.kde.org/download/ which is where we hit a solid wall of
> text over more than one page.  Eventually we found the link at the
> bottom that took us to http://windows.kde.org/, and finally to
> http://windows.kde.org/download.php.  That's 4 clicks and a lot of
> text to get through when we already knew what we wanted.
>
> The Download page seems to want to explain what KDE is before letting
> you download stuff, but most people going to that page will have
> decided they already want to try it and so we should just give them
> the info they need most.  We can explain KDE elsewhere.  We also need
> to use terminology that new users will understand, which means leaving
> out unnecesary and confusing details.
>
> I'd like to propose the following text instead (links marked as ):
>
> [Begins]
>
> The KDE Community produces  that can to be used on a
> number of operating systems.  This page details how to obtain KDE
> Software on each of those platforms, but for best results we recommend
> you run KDE Applications under KDE Plasma Workspace on Linux or BSD.
> To obtain support for using KDE Software please visit the  UserBase>.
>
> [h1] Supported Platforms
>
> [h2] Linux and BSD
>
> KDE Workspaces and KDE Applications are available for most  BSD distributions> by using the distribution's software manager.  For
> more information please consult your distribution documentation or
> user support forums.
>
> You can try out KDE Software on Linux without changing anything on
> your computer by using a .
>
> [h2] Windows
>
> Many KDE Applications are available for Windows XP, Windows Vista and
> Windows 7 using the .  Some KDE Applications
> are also available as .  The level of Windows
> support available may vary for individual applications.
>
> For more information visit the .
>
> [h2] Mac OS X
>
> Most KDE Applications are only available for Mac OS X by using the
> , , or  package managers.  These
> installation methods are not recommended for most users.  Some KDE
> Applications are also available as .  KDE hopes
> to provide more user-friendly installation methods in the future.
>
> For more information visit the .
>
> [h2] Source Packages
>
> All KDE Software is  with the source code freely
> available for anyone to download, modify, build, and distribute in
> accordence with the terms of .  You can obtain tarballs
> for any release from our .
>
> For more information on building KDE Software from source visit the
> .
>
> [h1] KDE Software
>
> [h2] KDE Applications
>
> The KDE Community develops a wide variety of  which can
> run under any supported operating system or desktop environment.
> These may be released as part of the regularly scheduled KDE
> Applications releases, or may be released independently.
>
> The latest  release is  which was
> released on 10 June 2014.
>
> [h2] KDE Plasma Workspaces
>
> The KDE Community develops Desktop, Netbook and Tablet workspaces for
> use on Linux and BSD systems.
>
> The latest  release is  which was
> released on 14 August 2013.  This is a Long Term Support (LTS) release
> that will be supported with bug-fixes until after the release of
> Plasma 5.  The most recent LTS bug-fix release is 
> which was released on 10 June 2014.
>
> [Add at Plasma 5]  The Plasma 5.0 desktop was released on 7 July 2014.
> While this is a stable release, it is not yet recommended for general
> use.
>
> [h2] KDE Development Libraries
>
> The KDE Community develops many libraries and tools for software
> developers which are used to build the KDE Applications and KDE
> Workspaces.  Other developers are free to use these for their own
> applications under the terms of our licences.  See the 
> for more details.
>
> The latest  for use with Qt4 is  4.13.2> which was released on 10 June 2014.
>
> The latest  for use with Qt5 is  which
> was released on 7 July 2014.
>
> [Ends]
>
> This may still need editing down, as the intent should be to fit on a
> single page, or at least the platform download links section should.
> The Windows and Mac details may be better placed on a separate wiki
> pages where we can easily change the list of installers, but that
> increases the number of clicks required.  The alternative is listing
> them all on this page (mostly Krita, Marble, Digikam?).
>
> The Package Policy page at
> http://www.kde.org/download/packagepolic

[kde-community] Proposal to change to kde.org/download text

2014-07-08 Thread John Layt
Hi,

[Posting to community rather than www or promo as it covers all 3
areas and this seems the best place for bike-shedding without spam
cross-posting.]

I spent a couple of hours on the weekend trying to walk someone
through installing KDE on Windows.  While there were several issues
with the KDE Windows Installer, an initial problem came with just
finding the installer.  We started at http://www.kde.org/ and clicked
on the prominent "Get KDE Software" which led to
http://www.kde.org/download/ which is where we hit a solid wall of
text over more than one page.  Eventually we found the link at the
bottom that took us to http://windows.kde.org/, and finally to
http://windows.kde.org/download.php.  That's 4 clicks and a lot of
text to get through when we already knew what we wanted.

The Download page seems to want to explain what KDE is before letting
you download stuff, but most people going to that page will have
decided they already want to try it and so we should just give them
the info they need most.  We can explain KDE elsewhere.  We also need
to use terminology that new users will understand, which means leaving
out unnecesary and confusing details.

I'd like to propose the following text instead (links marked as ):

[Begins]

The KDE Community produces  that can to be used on a
number of operating systems.  This page details how to obtain KDE
Software on each of those platforms, but for best results we recommend
you run KDE Applications under KDE Plasma Workspace on Linux or BSD.
To obtain support for using KDE Software please visit the .

[h1] Supported Platforms

[h2] Linux and BSD

KDE Workspaces and KDE Applications are available for most  by using the distribution's software manager.  For
more information please consult your distribution documentation or
user support forums.

You can try out KDE Software on Linux without changing anything on
your computer by using a .

[h2] Windows

Many KDE Applications are available for Windows XP, Windows Vista and
Windows 7 using the .  Some KDE Applications
are also available as .  The level of Windows
support available may vary for individual applications.

For more information visit the .

[h2] Mac OS X

Most KDE Applications are only available for Mac OS X by using the
, , or  package managers.  These
installation methods are not recommended for most users.  Some KDE
Applications are also available as .  KDE hopes
to provide more user-friendly installation methods in the future.

For more information visit the .

[h2] Source Packages

All KDE Software is  with the source code freely
available for anyone to download, modify, build, and distribute in
accordence with the terms of .  You can obtain tarballs
for any release from our .

For more information on building KDE Software from source visit the
.

[h1] KDE Software

[h2] KDE Applications

The KDE Community develops a wide variety of  which can
run under any supported operating system or desktop environment.
These may be released as part of the regularly scheduled KDE
Applications releases, or may be released independently.

The latest  release is  which was
released on 10 June 2014.

[h2] KDE Plasma Workspaces

The KDE Community develops Desktop, Netbook and Tablet workspaces for
use on Linux and BSD systems.

The latest  release is  which was
released on 14 August 2013.  This is a Long Term Support (LTS) release
that will be supported with bug-fixes until after the release of
Plasma 5.  The most recent LTS bug-fix release is 
which was released on 10 June 2014.

[Add at Plasma 5]  The Plasma 5.0 desktop was released on 7 July 2014.
While this is a stable release, it is not yet recommended for general
use.

[h2] KDE Development Libraries

The KDE Community develops many libraries and tools for software
developers which are used to build the KDE Applications and KDE
Workspaces.  Other developers are free to use these for their own
applications under the terms of our licences.  See the 
for more details.

The latest  for use with Qt4 is  which was released on 10 June 2014.

The latest  for use with Qt5 is  which
was released on 7 July 2014.

[Ends]

This may still need editing down, as the intent should be to fit on a
single page, or at least the platform download links section should.
The Windows and Mac details may be better placed on a separate wiki
pages where we can easily change the list of installers, but that
increases the number of clicks required.  The alternative is listing
them all on this page (mostly Krita, Marble, Digikam?).

The Package Policy page at
http://www.kde.org/download/packagepolicy.php page has a level of
detail that should be on TechBase instead, and its FAQ section strikes
me as rather unprofessional in places and should be removed.

The CDROM page at http://www.kde.org/download/cdrom.php page seems
archaic and is empty so should either be deleted or replaced with a
list of Live Distros running off USB or CD.  A wiki page may be a
better option for such a page?

The Distr

Re: [kde-community] Basket?

2014-07-08 Thread John Layt
On 8 July 2014 14:18, Ben Cooksley  wrote:
> The initial developer request also included a request for a repository
> on KDE infrastructure.
> I queried whether they had the support of the maintainer - Gleb - to
> which they said they would ask.
>
> Gleb subsequently informed this person he'd prefer for it to remain on Github.
> Upon being informed of this, I pointed out the Manifesto to them -
> which they said they would consider.
>
> I've yet to hear anything further.

Thanks again, sounds perfectly handled.  Sad if they choose to not
join, but we can't force them, although they may not yet appreciate
the full benefits of joining.  Let us know the outcome, I guess you've
set a time-out for a few weeks?

Cheers!

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Re: [kde-community] Basket?

2014-07-08 Thread Ben Cooksley
On 9 July 2014 00:54, John Layt  wrote:
> On 8 July 2014 13:43, Ben Cooksley  wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Sysadmin received a developer account request from Mariusz Wojcik
>> around 11 days ago, at which point the violation of the Manifesto was
>> uncovered. Gleb is aware of this issue, however we've yet to hear back
>> anything further from him on the matter.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Ben
>
> Thanks Ben, one step ahead as always :-)  Was the offer of migrating

Just a coincidence in this case :)

> to KDE put to them when they were contacted?  Would it be beneficial
> for the Incubator people to contact them to try discuss it?

The initial developer request also included a request for a repository
on KDE infrastructure.
I queried whether they had the support of the maintainer - Gleb - to
which they said they would ask.

Gleb subsequently informed this person he'd prefer for it to remain on Github.
Upon being informed of this, I pointed out the Manifesto to them -
which they said they would consider.

I've yet to hear anything further.

>
> Cheers!
>
> John.

Thanks,
Ben

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Re: [kde-community] Basket?

2014-07-08 Thread John Layt
On 8 July 2014 13:43, Ben Cooksley  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Sysadmin received a developer account request from Mariusz Wojcik
> around 11 days ago, at which point the violation of the Manifesto was
> uncovered. Gleb is aware of this issue, however we've yet to hear back
> anything further from him on the matter.
>
> Thanks,
> Ben

Thanks Ben, one step ahead as always :-)  Was the offer of migrating
to KDE put to them when they were contacted?  Would it be beneficial
for the Incubator people to contact them to try discuss it?

Cheers!

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Re: [kde-community] Basket?

2014-07-08 Thread Luigi Toscano
John Layt ha scritto:
> Hi,
> 
> Does anyone what's up with Basket?
> 
> We appear to be hosting an old website for it at
> http://basket.kde.org/, which links to an incomplete and inactive KDE4
> port in a code repo on Github by Kelvie Wong [1] (who is noted as the
> maintainer on basket.kde.org), and a mailing list on SourceForge [2]
> which was tumbleweeds for years until an email last month reporting a
> new Qt4 based beta release on LaunchPad [3] by a Gleb Baryshev.
> There's also broken links to other non-KDE infrastructure.  As far as
> I can tell it's now a fork of a fork?

To add a bit of context: as far as I know, the last codebase which I was
aware, which is almost version 2.0 (post rc) is this:

https://gitorious.org/basket

See this mail (about the almost-2.0):
http://sourceforge.net/p/basket/mailman/message/27333712/

I'm not sure

> I'm not very comfortable with our hosting on kde.org a very
> out-of-date website for a project that isn't actually part of KDE
> anymore (if it ever was?).  How do we want to play this?  Do we
> approach the new devs to see if they wish to fully migrate to the KDE
> infrastructure as a KDE incubator project?  Do we request that they
> move the website elsewhere if they don't want to?  Or do we update the
> website ourselves to reflect it is not a KDE Community project any
> more?

It would be interesting to know where the launchpad version was forked from
(hopefully post 2.0 tag - I didn't read the latest thread on the basket list,
maybe it's explained) and yes, I agree it would be nice to contact them to
have them on the KDE infrastructure.

Ciao
-- 
Luigi

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Re: [kde-community] Basket?

2014-07-08 Thread Ben Cooksley
On 9 July 2014 00:40, Alvaro Soliverez  wrote:
> Hi John,

Hi all,

> In the "About" section of my installed Basket there's Kelvie Wong
> listed as maintainer.
> Maybe contact Kelvie and Gleb to figure out what's going on?

Sysadmin received a developer account request from Mariusz Wojcik
around 11 days ago, at which point the violation of the Manifesto was
uncovered. Gleb is aware of this issue, however we've yet to hear back
anything further from him on the matter.

>
> Regards,
> Alvaro

Thanks,
Ben

>
> On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 9:30 AM, John Layt  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Does anyone what's up with Basket?
>>
>> We appear to be hosting an old website for it at
>> http://basket.kde.org/, which links to an incomplete and inactive KDE4
>> port in a code repo on Github by Kelvie Wong [1] (who is noted as the
>> maintainer on basket.kde.org), and a mailing list on SourceForge [2]
>> which was tumbleweeds for years until an email last month reporting a
>> new Qt4 based beta release on LaunchPad [3] by a Gleb Baryshev.
>> There's also broken links to other non-KDE infrastructure.  As far as
>> I can tell it's now a fork of a fork?
>>
>> I'm not very comfortable with our hosting on kde.org a very
>> out-of-date website for a project that isn't actually part of KDE
>> anymore (if it ever was?).  How do we want to play this?  Do we
>> approach the new devs to see if they wish to fully migrate to the KDE
>> infrastructure as a KDE incubator project?  Do we request that they
>> move the website elsewhere if they don't want to?  Or do we update the
>> website ourselves to reflect it is not a KDE Community project any
>> more?
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>> John.
>>
>> [1] https://github.com/kelvie/basket
>> [2] http://sourceforge.net/p/basket/mailman/basket-devel/
>> [3] https://launchpad.net/basket/kde4/2.10b
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Re: [kde-community] Basket?

2014-07-08 Thread Alvaro Soliverez
Hi John,
In the "About" section of my installed Basket there's Kelvie Wong
listed as maintainer.
Maybe contact Kelvie and Gleb to figure out what's going on?

Regards,
Alvaro

On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 9:30 AM, John Layt  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Does anyone what's up with Basket?
>
> We appear to be hosting an old website for it at
> http://basket.kde.org/, which links to an incomplete and inactive KDE4
> port in a code repo on Github by Kelvie Wong [1] (who is noted as the
> maintainer on basket.kde.org), and a mailing list on SourceForge [2]
> which was tumbleweeds for years until an email last month reporting a
> new Qt4 based beta release on LaunchPad [3] by a Gleb Baryshev.
> There's also broken links to other non-KDE infrastructure.  As far as
> I can tell it's now a fork of a fork?
>
> I'm not very comfortable with our hosting on kde.org a very
> out-of-date website for a project that isn't actually part of KDE
> anymore (if it ever was?).  How do we want to play this?  Do we
> approach the new devs to see if they wish to fully migrate to the KDE
> infrastructure as a KDE incubator project?  Do we request that they
> move the website elsewhere if they don't want to?  Or do we update the
> website ourselves to reflect it is not a KDE Community project any
> more?
>
> Cheers!
>
> John.
>
> [1] https://github.com/kelvie/basket
> [2] http://sourceforge.net/p/basket/mailman/basket-devel/
> [3] https://launchpad.net/basket/kde4/2.10b
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[kde-community] Basket?

2014-07-08 Thread John Layt
Hi,

Does anyone what's up with Basket?

We appear to be hosting an old website for it at
http://basket.kde.org/, which links to an incomplete and inactive KDE4
port in a code repo on Github by Kelvie Wong [1] (who is noted as the
maintainer on basket.kde.org), and a mailing list on SourceForge [2]
which was tumbleweeds for years until an email last month reporting a
new Qt4 based beta release on LaunchPad [3] by a Gleb Baryshev.
There's also broken links to other non-KDE infrastructure.  As far as
I can tell it's now a fork of a fork?

I'm not very comfortable with our hosting on kde.org a very
out-of-date website for a project that isn't actually part of KDE
anymore (if it ever was?).  How do we want to play this?  Do we
approach the new devs to see if they wish to fully migrate to the KDE
infrastructure as a KDE incubator project?  Do we request that they
move the website elsewhere if they don't want to?  Or do we update the
website ourselves to reflect it is not a KDE Community project any
more?

Cheers!

John.

[1] https://github.com/kelvie/basket
[2] http://sourceforge.net/p/basket/mailman/basket-devel/
[3] https://launchpad.net/basket/kde4/2.10b
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