Re: [kde-community] Give People Access to Great Technology - a possible vision
On Friday 19 September 2014 19:04:53 Valorie Zimmerman wrote: On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Andrew Lake jamboar...@gmail.com wrote: Image: http://wstaw.org/m/2014/09/19/A_possible_vision.png I would say Plasma and Frameworks at the center. I think it's right to put the KDE desktop in the center in addition to the KDE frameworks. It's Plasma and the application which are our base and where we are coming from. It's this whole set which gives us the integration points we can use to expand to cloud, to devices, to other services. The desktop is a great starting point. -- Cornelius Schumacher schumac...@kde.org ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
Re: [kde-community] Fwd: Top 15 Mailinglists with messages in moderation
Hello, Kde-i18n-fry is dormant for several years now, so the mailinglist can be closed. Regards, Rinse Op 2 sep. 2014 11:45 schreef Ben Cooksley bcooks...@kde.org: Hi all, A number of our mailing lists appear to be being insufficiently moderated. Can we please have volunteers for moderating these lists, or indications that they can be closed? @Board: Please moderate your queue more regularly. Inspection of your queue reveals a number of very old messages in there which should be dealt with. Thanks, Ben -- Forwarded message -- Subject: Top 15 Mailinglists with messages in moderation To: sysad...@kde.org 109 kexi 72 kde-artists 70 kget 62 kde-commits 40 kde-i18n-fry 33 kde-perl 33 kde-i18n-pt 31 kpovmodeler-devel 24 owncloud 23 konq-bugs 19 kde-licensing 18 kde-ev-marketing 17 kbabel 16 kde-solaris 16 kde-pr 15 kompare-devel 13 kde-l10n-hu 13 kde-el 12 kde-extra-gear 12 kde-bugs-dist 12 freenx-knx 11 kde-ev-board 11 kde-de 10 kde-networkmanager 9 kde-webmaster ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
Re: [kde-community] Sad news (fwd)
Thats terrible news. As a community would it be appropriate to write up a short retrospective of Mojtaba? Perhaps combined with a photo, some information about him, his work and his life and post it on one of the larger KDE blogs? I don't know how Iranian burial customs work and we should check in with his family and friends (Mehrdad perhaps if you could help out) but with their allowance it seems as a nice gesture to do towards someone who has been a part of our community as well as worked on things that benefit us all (beyond our own community). What do everyone else think? +1, if his family would be ok with that. Greetings Christoph -- - Dr.-Ing. Christoph Cullmann - AbsInt Angewandte Informatik GmbH Email: cullm...@absint.com Science Park 1 Tel: +49-681-38360-22 66123 Saarbrücken Fax: +49-681-38360-20 GERMANYWWW: http://www.AbsInt.com Geschäftsführung: Dr.-Ing. Christian Ferdinand Eingetragen im Handelsregister des Amtsgerichts Saarbrücken, HRB 11234 ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
Re: [kde-community] Sad news (fwd)
Thanks for your good words guys, I'll send them to his family. Part of him will remain in KDE projects for a long time. Regards, Mehrdad On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 6:22 AM, Sung-Jae, Cho cho.sung...@gmail.com wrote: I'm really sorry for this sad news. I want this reply to offer comfort to you, friend and people. Always the young's death made me in deep depression. But their works are living in project and my memory. I will remember Mojtaba's decease and bring sorry message for friends and parents. Sincerely Sung Jae On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 2:30 AM, Jos van den Oever j...@vandenoever.info wrote: On Tuesday 26 August 2014 19:18:06 Jos van den Oever wrote: This is very sad news indeed. Mehrdad, I am sad for you and Mehrdads family and friends and for the Calligra community. I meant Mojtabas family too of course. Jos ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
Re: [kde-community] Using software created by KDE and KDE-related communities/companies for KDE infrastructure
On Tuesday, September 16, 2014 16.31:23 Ingo Klöcker wrote: If we want to use MyKolab.com: About 3 months ago Georg Greve has sent a message to the KDE e.V. mailing list (sorry, this list is restricted to KDE e.V. members) with a special offer for KDE people who want to use Kolab Systems' MyKolab.com. If KDE e.V. wishes to offer services to KDE as a whole, that really means things like being able to share calendars, having backups that are available to our sysadmins, etc. That takes more than the vanilla mykolab.org. ergo .. -- Aaron J. Seigo signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
Re: [kde-community] Give People Access to Great Technology - a possible vision
On Saturday, September 20, 2014 10.15:56 Cornelius Schumacher wrote: On Friday 19 September 2014 19:04:53 Valorie Zimmerman wrote: On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Andrew Lake jamboar...@gmail.com wrote: Image: http://wstaw.org/m/2014/09/19/A_possible_vision.png I would say Plasma and Frameworks at the center. I think it's right to put the KDE desktop in the center in addition to the KDE frameworks. It's Plasma and the application which are our base and where we are coming from. It's this whole set which gives us the integration points we can use to expand to cloud, to devices, to other services. The desktop is a great starting point. Plasma was intended as a way to move beyond the desktop while retaining the desktop as a first class citizen, so that paragraph contains some irony. I use desktop in quotation marks because the end-user computing tasks performed on laptops and desktop computers have been moving to non-desktop form factors for some years now while the desktop type hardware has been slowly adopting some hardware characteristics of non-desktop devices. Fixating on the desktop is to bury one's head in the sand about that reality. Finally, the desktop has always been the primary focus. It has never not been the starting point. (Despite Plasma's goals.) This vision sounds like it comes from KDE circa 2005. Perhaps that's the goal, since as Andrew wrote, These thoughts are not intended to suggest an entirely new direction. However, this leaves me slightly stumped as to what the goal is here. Is it to remind KDE what it is, because that's been forgotten? Is it to reaffirm what KDE is as a means to pull back into its own center? -- Aaron J. Seigo signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
Re: [kde-community] Give People Access to Great Technology - a possible vision
I wonder whether going forward we would be better served by asking the question of our users, 'What do you need KDE* to be for you?' Because essentially we are saying that with plasma 5 and kf5 it could be anything you want it to be. Maybe we should start by splitting this into commercial and consumer needs and take it from there. I know from my company that KDE would suit us as KDE for Windows would allow us to slowly shift over desktop apps first, before swapping out the o/s from underneath. We can't be the only company in a similar boat. *By KDE here im referring to the software, as I'm not sure what the term is for the amalgamation of plasma 5 / kf5 applications Ps. Typing this on my phone in a tent in Wales, UK, so sorry if it reads a bit disjointed. On 20 Sep 2014 22:00, Aaron J. Seigo ase...@kde.org wrote: On Saturday, September 20, 2014 10.15:56 Cornelius Schumacher wrote: On Friday 19 September 2014 19:04:53 Valorie Zimmerman wrote: On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Andrew Lake jamboar...@gmail.com wrote: Image: http://wstaw.org/m/2014/09/19/A_possible_vision.png I would say Plasma and Frameworks at the center. I think it's right to put the KDE desktop in the center in addition to the KDE frameworks. It's Plasma and the application which are our base and where we are coming from. It's this whole set which gives us the integration points we can use to expand to cloud, to devices, to other services. The desktop is a great starting point. Plasma was intended as a way to move beyond the desktop while retaining the desktop as a first class citizen, so that paragraph contains some irony. I use desktop in quotation marks because the end-user computing tasks performed on laptops and desktop computers have been moving to non-desktop form factors for some years now while the desktop type hardware has been slowly adopting some hardware characteristics of non-desktop devices. Fixating on the desktop is to bury one's head in the sand about that reality. Finally, the desktop has always been the primary focus. It has never not been the starting point. (Despite Plasma's goals.) This vision sounds like it comes from KDE circa 2005. Perhaps that's the goal, since as Andrew wrote, These thoughts are not intended to suggest an entirely new direction. However, this leaves me slightly stumped as to what the goal is here. Is it to remind KDE what it is, because that's been forgotten? Is it to reaffirm what KDE is as a means to pull back into its own center? -- Aaron J. Seigo ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
Re: [kde-community] Give People Access to Great Technology - a possible vision
On Friday, September 19, 2014 09.56:39 Andrew Lake wrote: * Be free * Maintain our purpose * Have fun If I am understanding your proposal (and perhaps I'm not .. if so, please offer clarification), the vision statement consisting of the above three elements is a stand our ground vision in which nothing actually changes. That's based a fairly literal interpretation of the second point, while recognizing the the first and third points as long-standing principles in KDE. There's also a couple of we're already doing this statements in the email which seems to suggest that's sort of the intention. Which confuses me a bit. If what KDE is already doing what it needs to be doing, what is the problem? Maybe it's because of this: How do we regain some of the focus Paul Adams suggests we may have lost? What leads you to believe there has been a loss in technical focus? The hope though is for a clear, unambiguous focus that acknowledges our strengths as well as the reality of the trends in our technological ecosystem. I've read it over a few times now and I'm struggling to answer these questions: *As a developer, what principles from this vision should my KDE projects take on? * As a user, what benefits will this vision result in for me that would cause me to maintain or even deepen my commitment to KDE? * As a promoter, what points can I take from this vision to convince people to get excited about KDE? I'm struggling because there are over a dozen targets here: http://wstaw.org/m/2014/09/19/A_possible_vision.png such as social networking and smart home without definition of functional target or intended user benefit. It's a little like an alphabet soup of things that are currently part of the computing landscape that still needs to be arranged into sentences and paragraphs. Or perhaps that is the suggested vision: Do All The Technologies? http://wstaw.org/m/2014/09/19/A_possible_vision.png Why is desktop and frameworks mixed together? Why are applications peripheral? Why should applications have equal affinity for both frameworks and desktop? Should applications also demonstrate high capability for cloud and devices? -- Aaron J. Seigo signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
Re: [kde-community] Give People Access to Great Technology - a possible vision
On Saturday, September 20, 2014 22.44:45 David Wright wrote: I wonder whether going forward we would be better served by asking the question of our users, 'What do you need KDE* to be for you?' The users KDE has now? The users KDE wants? The users KDE has contact with? Because essentially we are saying that with plasma 5 and kf5 it could be anything you want it to be. Is that really what people perceive is the message? That would be moderately shocking to me, though it would explain a few things I suppose. Maybe we should start by splitting this into commercial and consumer needs and take it from there. I'm not 100% clear on what you mean by commercial and consumer needs. By commercial and consumer do you roughly mean things needed to get work tasks done and things needed to consume content from the internet? Or do you mean something a bit more literal like people in offices and people at home? I know from my company that KDE would suit us as KDE for Windows would allow us to slowly shift over desktop apps first, before swapping out the o/s from underneath. We can't be the only company in a similar boat. In your opinion, what (general) vision does that translate into for KDE? *By KDE here im referring to the software, as I'm not sure what the term is for the amalgamation of plasma 5 / kf5 applications There is no such amalgamation, and that's probably why there is no term. -- Aaron J. Seigo signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
