Re: [kde-community] RFC: Announcing new mailing lists

2014-12-21 Thread Ben Cooksley
On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Mario Fux  wrote:
> Am Samstag, 20. Dezember 2014, 22.21:01 schrieb Laszlo Papp:
>
> Morning
>
> [sbip]
>
>> > But you're the only ones knowing that a mailing list has created. And as
>> > far as i understand there's a description field asked when requesting a
>> > list no? Could automatically send an email here saying "List X was
>> > created with description Y".
>>
>> +1.
>>
>> If it is not automated, it will likely not be done properly as some
>> people will forget about it. It ought to be easy to implement, too.
>
> +1 for automating it. At the moment I don't see a reason why the creation of a
> new mailing list shouldn't be announced and if it's automatable let's do it.
> Then we don't forget it. What's the advantage of telling the requester to
> announce in comparison to do it automatically?

We can certainly make it part of sysadmin procedure.
I'd still like to see the list requestor be part of the process though.

>
> griits
> Mario

Cheers,
Ben

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Re: [kde-community] RFC: Announcing new mailing lists

2014-12-21 Thread Mario Fux
Am Samstag, 20. Dezember 2014, 22.21:01 schrieb Laszlo Papp:

Morning

[sbip]

> > But you're the only ones knowing that a mailing list has created. And as
> > far as i understand there's a description field asked when requesting a
> > list no? Could automatically send an email here saying "List X was
> > created with description Y".
> 
> +1.
> 
> If it is not automated, it will likely not be done properly as some
> people will forget about it. It ought to be easy to implement, too.

+1 for automating it. At the moment I don't see a reason why the creation of a 
new mailing list shouldn't be announced and if it's automatable let's do it. 
Then we don't forget it. What's the advantage of telling the requester to 
announce in comparison to do it automatically?

griits
Mario
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Re: [kde-community] RFC: Announcing new mailing lists

2014-12-21 Thread Albert Astals Cid
El Diumenge, 21 de desembre de 2014, a les 10:11:24, Ben Cooksley va escriure:
> On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 4:54 AM, Albert Astals Cid  wrote:
> > El Dissabte, 20 de desembre de 2014, a les 22:19:35, Ben Cooksley va 
escriure:
> >> On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 8:54 PM, Valorie Zimmerman
> >> 
> >>  wrote:
> >> > On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 3:19 PM, Albert Astals Cid  
wrote:
> >> >> Hi guys, sometimes i realize some interesting discussions are being
> >> >> carried on mailing lists i didn't ever know they existed.
> >> >> 
> >> >> Do you think it'd be a good idea to ask sysadmins to send an email to
> >> >> this
> >> >> list every time a new public mailing list is created?
> >> >> 
> >> >> Cheers,
> >> >> 
> >> >>   Albert
> >> > 
> >> > It would be nice if *somebody* announced them - could be sysadmin,
> >> > could be the new team, or the incubation team.
> >> 
> >> In some instances, the creation of a new mailing list (like a
> >> bugs-dist list) would be noise.
> >> I'd be in favour of the requestor(s) announcing the new list though -
> >> so they could explain what the list would be used for.
> >> 
> >> If sysadmin ends up doing it we'll likely be unable to provide as
> >> decent an explanation (as we're simply not as involved).
> > 
> > But you're the only ones knowing that a mailing list has created. And as
> > far as i understand there's a description field asked when requesting a
> > list no? Could automatically send an email here saying "List X was
> > created with description Y".
> 
> We're the only ones who know about every list that is created yes.
> However those requesting the new list will certainly be aware of it
> have being created.
> 
> While we do request a description, sometimes people may want to
> provide additional details on what the list is intended for.

They can provide additional information if they want after the automated 
email. Otherwise i'm pretty sure people are not going to send emails even if 
we tell them, but oh well, if we can't agree on automated emails i'll accept 
compromise on Kevin's suggestion.

Cheers,
  Albert

> 
> > Cheers,
> > 
> >   Albert
> 
> Thanks,
> Ben
> 
> >> > Valorie
> >> 
> >> Cheers,
> >> Ben
> >> 
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Re: [kde-community] Your KDE highlight of 2014?

2014-12-21 Thread Jens Reuterberg

Hi Lydia and everyone!

For me the best KDE moment this year was my first meeting with the KDE 
devs in january in Barcelona. It blew my mind (and I still think that 
for Promo material 2015 we should focus on the devs as people a lot 
more). I prepared for what I imagined was sitting in a corner doodling 
and a lot of people programming and doing C++ jokes or something.
Nothing could be further from the truth - inclusive, kind, never 
condescending and charming. So many ideas - so much stuff we have to do 
that will make KDE even more brilliant.


My second-but-close was Akademy. Meeting brilliant people, talking to 
the other people in VDG (which was scary and cool) like Andrew and 
Thomas 




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Re: [kde-community] RFC: Announcing new mailing lists

2014-12-21 Thread Laszlo Papp
On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Kevin Krammer  wrote:
> On Saturday, 2014-12-20, 21:21:01, Laszlo Papp wrote:
>> On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Albert Astals Cid  wrote:
>> > El Dissabte, 20 de desembre de 2014, a les 22:19:35, Ben Cooksley va
> escriure:
>
>> >> In some instances, the creation of a new mailing list (like a
>> >> bugs-dist list) would be noise.
>> >> I'd be in favour of the requestor(s) announcing the new list though -
>> >> so they could explain what the list would be used for.
>> >>
>> >> If sysadmin ends up doing it we'll likely be unable to provide as
>> >> decent an explanation (as we're simply not as involved).
>> >
>> > But you're the only ones knowing that a mailing list has created. And as
>> > far as i understand there's a description field asked when requesting a
>> > list no? Could automatically send an email here saying "List X was
>> > created with description Y".
>>
>> +1.
>>
>> If it is not automated, it will likely not be done properly as some
>> people will forget about it. It ought to be easy to implement, too.
>
> The person requesting the list will get a notification mail when the list has
> been set up.
>
> So we just need to make sure that this mail contains text that says something
> like "Consider announcing the availability of your new list to the wider KDE
> community by posting an introduction to kde-community@kde.org"

Just to clarify: that is the case that I was trying to write about, in
my previous email. There is the possiblity in there to be missed. If
it is automated and it is generated automatically in the same step,
there cannot be such a miss occurring.

Even if it is not missed, it is still manual work to be done rather
than done automatically.

Having said that, as long as I am not involved (which is likely the
case as it currently seems), either works for me.
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Re: [kde-community] RFC: Announcing new mailing lists

2014-12-21 Thread Kevin Krammer
On Saturday, 2014-12-20, 21:21:01, Laszlo Papp wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Albert Astals Cid  wrote:
> > El Dissabte, 20 de desembre de 2014, a les 22:19:35, Ben Cooksley va 
escriure:

> >> In some instances, the creation of a new mailing list (like a
> >> bugs-dist list) would be noise.
> >> I'd be in favour of the requestor(s) announcing the new list though -
> >> so they could explain what the list would be used for.
> >> 
> >> If sysadmin ends up doing it we'll likely be unable to provide as
> >> decent an explanation (as we're simply not as involved).
> > 
> > But you're the only ones knowing that a mailing list has created. And as
> > far as i understand there's a description field asked when requesting a
> > list no? Could automatically send an email here saying "List X was
> > created with description Y".
> 
> +1.
> 
> If it is not automated, it will likely not be done properly as some
> people will forget about it. It ought to be easy to implement, too.

The person requesting the list will get a notification mail when the list has 
been set up.

So we just need to make sure that this mail contains text that says something 
like "Consider announcing the availability of your new list to the wider KDE 
community by posting an introduction to kde-community@kde.org"

Cheers,
Kevin

-- 
Kevin Krammer, KDE developer, xdg-utils developer
KDE user support, developer mentoring


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