Re: Kubuntu and other KDE distribution's use of KDE infrastructure

[Thomas Pfeiffer]

On Donnerstag, 12. Januar 2017 11:18:07 CET Harald Sitter wrote:

> Manifesto says one of our values is "Inclusivity to ensure that all
> people are welcome to join us and participate;". Be inclusive, give
> Kubuntu and Fedora a place on phab to manage their todos. Costs us
> nothing, helps our friends make their product which features our
> products better. If either starts calling themselves a KDE project or
> misrepresents their association with KDE, hit them with the manifesto
> bat.

Let me add to that: Any distribution or spin shipping our software is of 
course welcome to become a KDE project as well (from KDE's side, at least). 
neon was the first to ask for that, but it's not exclusive.

Extent of KDE helping downstreams (was Re: Kubuntu and other KDE distribution's use of KDE infrastructure)

[Luca Beltrame]

Il giorno Sat, 14 Jan 2017 14:20:15 +0100
Adriaan de Groot  ha scritto:

[renamed the discussion so that it drifts away from Valorie's request
onto something else, and doesn't distract from her question]

> I'm having a terrible time understanding the nature of the line in
> the sand you'd like to draw. What does the Venn diagram look like to

The line would be: distros (*any* distro) on the side, KDE on the
other. The reasoning is non technical, as I said, mainly because even
if distros are Free Software, their goals and objectives may not always
fit within KDE.

On the other hand (I *need* to point this out), some distros have
definite issues with their infrastructure for handling KDE software
(Fedora and Kubuntu, for different reasons). 

> you? Frankly I'd rather not have FreeBSD be "the special case" if it
> comes to that.

Luigi in the follow up mail explained better what I meant. 

> Then there's KDE Argon, Xenon and others .. different base distro's,

Argon and Krypton are not KDE projects, they're openSUSE community
things, they do not use KDE infrastructure at all (except downloading
stuff from KDE git). 

> efforts -- then I still don't see how that translates to "KDE doesn't
> help downstream in any way", which is kind of how I interpret your

"Help" perhaps is a bit too vague. I'm a downstream (openSUSE) as well
as an upstream: I wear both hats. I'm *all* for KDE helping
downstreams, in fact I think that with things like distribution
outreach and other people actively seeking distro input KDE is helping
a lot more than before. 

What I object to is having downstreams use KDE infrastructure (including
workboards and Phab) for distro-specific things (even if limited to KDE
packaging). Personally I try to keep things entirely separate.

That said, if the majority of the community wants to do that anyway,
it's not like I'll commit suicide tomorrow. ;) 

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Re: FOSDEM stall and party

[Kenny Duffus]

On Tuesday, 1 November 2016 19:00:24 GMT, Kenny Duffus wrote:
On 1 November 2016 18:11:14 GMT+00:00, Jonathan Riddell 
 wrote:

Time to start thinking about FOSDEM.

We hope to get a stall again.  Does anyone have merchandise they can
bring or do we need to look at buying some?



There is a reasonable quantity of India design T-shirts, a few 
20th mugs and some gear logo vinyl laptop stickers in the KDE  
office intended for events like fosdem




Hi

Just wanted to check that someone is ensuring these get to FOSDEM?

The prices for the laptop vinyl stickers are 3cm: 2€, 5cm: 3€ and 7.5cm: 4€ 
(they are in a brown paper bag)


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Kenny

Re: Kubuntu and other KDE distribution's use of KDE infrastructure

[Luigi Toscano]

Adriaan de Groot ha scritto:

> I don't think votes are the way to go, really. I'd much rather just get on 
> with it. For the FreeBSD project on KDE's phab, I didn't even think about it: 
> I'm a KDE person, I'm interested in delivering KDE software to a particular 
> group, and I do lots of things on KDE infrastructure for doing that delivery 
> (e.g. filing bugs, writing patches, blogging, running KDE CI for FreeBSD), 
> and 
> sysadmin suggested having a Phab project for it would be useful to group 
> things. Yeah, sure.
> 
> I don't see, given the *tiny* technical burden implied by the request in this 
> thread, why Kubuntu should be any different from FreeBSD.

There is a slight difference: FreeBSD (but the same can be said for Windows or
Android) is a completely different platform and the "FreeBSD" project/tag on
phabricator.kde.org can be used to identify which reviews and changes are
relevant for that port.
The fact that you can organize the tasks and review is a side effect of this
reason, and that's why I proposed the creation of the tag (as Community
Administrator, not exactly an official sysadmin :)

I think this is different from *ubuntu (and Fedora, Debian, Opensuse, Arch,
Gentoo, Chakra, Slackware, etc etc) which are GNU/Linux distributions, all
(with "minimal" differences) the same platform (and probably the most tested).

-- 
Luigi