Re: Help us with curating store.kde.org
On lunes, 16 de julio de 2018 11:39:25 (CEST) Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen wrote: > Hello chums :) > > One of the challenges of having a library of resources is to maintain it > clean of spam and in general any content that doesn't comply with what we > want to have there. > > The software running store.kde.org recently gained the possibility to have > a group of people who can moderate contents and reviews. > > This is a call for action for those of you would like to contribute to KDE > by helping to make sure our users have the best resources selection > available, free of worry to find undesired contents. > > Please reply if you'd like to help, either with the store as a whole, or > even just a specific category, and we will see together what's the best way > to proceed. > > Thank you! :D Hey Dan, We (promo people) were wondering... Would it help if we gave this a push on social media? I know you probably don't want to manage an army of 100s of moderators, but if there is a place, a mail address or something, where the general public can send messages telling you about problematic stuff they have found within the store, it may be helpful, right? What do you think? Cheers Paul -- Promotion & Communication www: http://kde.org Mastodon: https://mastodon.technology/@kde Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/kde/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kdecommunity signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Help us with curating store.kde.org
Hey Nicolas! Although I haven’t (yet) committed to helping out on this project, I’m still offering my opinions. Personally, I wouldn’t like to see the store curators judging the submissions on quality. Our personal tastes might influence our decisions. It would be like an art museum curator not displaying a work because he doesn’t think anyone would like it. I think the curators should focus on keeping the store clean of things that _don’t work_, look out for obvious copies of other people’s code, etc. If someone puts up something that’s “stupid” or worthless, it’ll get voted down by other users. My own two Plasmoids are hovering at exactly 2.5 stars each. Maybe they’re not so useful after all. :D -Scott (sharvey) On Jul 19, 2018, 1:14 PM -0500, Nicolas Fella , wrote: > Hi, > > I'd like to offer my help as well :) > > Specifically I'd like to ensure that only content of decent quality and > of actual worth to the user are available in the store, e.g. by > suggesting/requesting changes to the author. > > Cheers > > Nicolas > > > On 16.07.2018 11:39, Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen wrote: > > Hello chums :) > > > > One of the challenges of having a library of resources is to maintain it > > clean of spam and in general any content that doesn't comply with what we > > want > > to have there. > > > > The software running store.kde.org recently gained the possibility to have a > > group of people who can moderate contents and reviews. > > > > This is a call for action for those of you would like to contribute to KDE > > by helping to make sure our users have the best resources selection > > available, > > free of worry to find undesired contents. > > > > Please reply if you'd like to help, either with the store as a whole, or > > even just a specific category, and we will see together what's the best way > > to > > proceed. > > > > Thank you! :D > > >
Re: Help us with curating store.kde.org
I would like to help! Cheers, Scarlett On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 8:42 PM Scarlett Clark wrote: > > > On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 8:14 PM Nicolas Fella > wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I'd like to offer my help as well :) >> >> Specifically I'd like to ensure that only content of decent quality and >> of actual worth to the user are available in the store, e.g. by >> suggesting/requesting changes to the author. >> >> Cheers >> >> Nicolas >> >> >> On 16.07.2018 11:39, Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen wrote: >> > Hello chums :) >> > >> >One of the challenges of having a library of resources is to >> maintain it >> > clean of spam and in general any content that doesn't comply with what >> we want >> > to have there. >> > >> >The software running store.kde.org recently gained the possibility >> to have a >> > group of people who can moderate contents and reviews. >> > >> >This is a call for action for those of you would like to contribute >> to KDE >> > by helping to make sure our users have the best resources selection >> available, >> > free of worry to find undesired contents. >> > >> >Please reply if you'd like to help, either with the store as a >> whole, or >> > even just a specific category, and we will see together what's the best >> way to >> > proceed. >> > >> >Thank you! :D >> > >> >>
Re: Help us with curating store.kde.org
On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 8:14 PM Nicolas Fella wrote: > Hi, > > I'd like to offer my help as well :) > > Specifically I'd like to ensure that only content of decent quality and > of actual worth to the user are available in the store, e.g. by > suggesting/requesting changes to the author. > > Cheers > > Nicolas > > > On 16.07.2018 11:39, Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen wrote: > > Hello chums :) > > > >One of the challenges of having a library of resources is to maintain > it > > clean of spam and in general any content that doesn't comply with what > we want > > to have there. > > > >The software running store.kde.org recently gained the possibility > to have a > > group of people who can moderate contents and reviews. > > > >This is a call for action for those of you would like to contribute > to KDE > > by helping to make sure our users have the best resources selection > available, > > free of worry to find undesired contents. > > > >Please reply if you'd like to help, either with the store as a whole, > or > > even just a specific category, and we will see together what's the best > way to > > proceed. > > > >Thank you! :D > > > >
Re: Help us with curating store.kde.org
Hi, I'd like to offer my help as well :) Specifically I'd like to ensure that only content of decent quality and of actual worth to the user are available in the store, e.g. by suggesting/requesting changes to the author. Cheers Nicolas On 16.07.2018 11:39, Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen wrote: Hello chums :) One of the challenges of having a library of resources is to maintain it clean of spam and in general any content that doesn't comply with what we want to have there. The software running store.kde.org recently gained the possibility to have a group of people who can moderate contents and reviews. This is a call for action for those of you would like to contribute to KDE by helping to make sure our users have the best resources selection available, free of worry to find undesired contents. Please reply if you'd like to help, either with the store as a whole, or even just a specific category, and we will see together what's the best way to proceed. Thank you! :D
Re: Twitter access
On July 19, 2018 at 9:26:03 AM, David Narvaez (david.narv...@computer.org) wrote: On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 11:05 AM, Jonathan Riddell wrote: > I did but I see nobody has an interest in me being a full part of it That's simply not true: we have all seen Paul Brown's message where you are invited to participate in the promo team. What you mean to say is that you are not allowed to be part of the promo team under your own rules and conditions, but when you put it like that you do not sound much like a victim and you lose some negotiation power. While I personally have no position regarding your one-man charge against the promo team (I do not have enough information to pick a side here), I am very much against your theatrical portrayal of the issue when we can all clearly see what is going on here. If you want to do promo under your own terms like back in the ol' days 15 years ago, then just say so, no need to play victim. David E. Narvaez Before we are too flustered by this interaction, let’s see what we can do now. Jon, does the team need to post anything to our twitter account? Is there something that needs to be out soon?
Re: Help us with curating store.kde.org
OK, I've got my access now. Do we have any sort of documentation for the moderation process? I don't want to break anything. Like Scott, what I'm most interested in right now is identifying old content indended for KDE4 that no longer works in Plasma 5 and/or Frameworks 5 so we can make it not show up for current users of recent KDE software. Nate On Tue, 17 Jul 2018 08:50:49 -0700 Nate Graham wrote > > > > On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 09:17:18 -0700 Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen > wrote > > On Monday, 16 July 2018 17:01:59 BST Nate Graham wrote: > > > I would like to be a moderator! > > > > Hi Nathan, and thanks for stepping up! :D Do you have an > opendesktop.org > > account, and in that case could you send me the ID, so we can get you set > up > > with the right rights? :) > > Yes, and my ID appears to be 505663. > > Nate >
Re: Twitter access
On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 11:05 AM, Jonathan Riddell wrote: > I did but I see nobody has an interest in me being a full part of it That's simply not true: we have all seen Paul Brown's message where you are invited to participate in the promo team. What you mean to say is that you are not allowed to be part of the promo team under your own rules and conditions, but when you put it like that you do not sound much like a victim and you lose some negotiation power. While I personally have no position regarding your one-man charge against the promo team (I do not have enough information to pick a side here), I am very much against your theatrical portrayal of the issue when we can all clearly see what is going on here. If you want to do promo under your own terms like back in the ol' days 15 years ago, then just say so, no need to play victim. David E. Narvaez
Re: Twitter access
On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 04:19:50PM +0200, Aleix Pol wrote: > I don't see how requesting access to by-pass the team is to be part of the > team. > Do you want to be part of the KDE promo team? I did but I see nobody has an interest in me being a full part of it and I've no interest in being a part member and I'm out of energy now. Jonathan
Re: Twitter access
On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 3:19 PM Jonathan Riddell wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 03:10:29PM +0200, Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: > > Nobody has wronged you. There are no unnamed higher powers blocking > > community > > contributions. As Paul has explained in detail in his reply to your email, > > there is a standard procedure within the Promo community that everyone > > follows. You are not treated any different from the rest of the team. > > I am aware of the process. I have followed it for 15 years. That doesn't make any sense, things have changed in the last year. In fact, your last message in KDE Promo mailing list is you saying that you don't want to be part of the team about a year ago. > > It's a team effort, and as long as you can act as part of that team, your > > contributions are valued and welcome like everyone else's. > > Then why do I have access to some accounts but not to others? It's > trivial to fix, obviously illogical, but everyone thinks that's ok. I don't understand why you need to have all these, to be honest. Do all release managers need to be able to have direct access to every social media account? > > We are finally at a point where we have a promo team truly acting as a team, > > and it would be great if you could be part of that team. > > I'm very much feeling like I'm not wanted on the team. I don't see how requesting access to by-pass the team is to be part of the team. Do you want to be part of the KDE promo team? Aleix
Re: Twitter access
On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 03:10:29PM +0200, Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: > Nobody has wronged you. There are no unnamed higher powers blocking community > contributions. As Paul has explained in detail in his reply to your email, > there is a standard procedure within the Promo community that everyone > follows. You are not treated any different from the rest of the team. I am aware of the process. I have followed it for 15 years. > It's a team effort, and as long as you can act as part of that team, your > contributions are valued and welcome like everyone else's. Then why do I have access to some accounts but not to others? It's trivial to fix, obviously illogical, but everyone thinks that's ok. > We are finally at a point where we have a promo team truly acting as a team, > and it would be great if you could be part of that team. I'm very much feeling like I'm not wanted on the team. Jonathan
Re: Twitter access
On Mittwoch, 18. Juli 2018 15:16:39 CEST Jonathan Riddell wrote: > I'll stop doing KDE promo again then. KDE shouldn't have unnamed > higher powers who block community contributions. > > Jonathan Hi Jonathan, Nobody has wronged you. There are no unnamed higher powers blocking community contributions. As Paul has explained in detail in his reply to your email, there is a standard procedure within the Promo community that everyone follows. You are not treated any different from the rest of the team. It's a team effort, and as long as you can act as part of that team, your contributions are valued and welcome like everyone else's. We are finally at a point where we have a promo team truly acting as a team, and it would be great if you could be part of that team. Best, Thomas > On 16 July 2018 at 10:26, Jonathan Riddell wrote: > > Hi KDE community I'd like to request access to post on the > > @kdecommunity Twitter account. This is to make announcements of > > Plasma releases, our flagship product. I already do this on G+ and > > Facebook. I'm told there are higher powers who have to approve this > > but I've no idea who they are or how to get a message to them, they > > seem to have not received my requests so far. I've been an active > > contributoir to kde-promo for about 15 years after the only > > contributor. > > > > Jonathan
Re: Twitter access
> On Thursday, 19 July 2018 14:25:41 CEST Jonathan Riddell wrote: > > But > > I have access to KDE social media and have done since we started > > having any. But for some reason I am being blocked from this one > > account. Nobody has yet said who by or why. It's illogical, > > humiliating and despiriting. > > I think this is a feeling constructed from the simple coincidence that nobody > has found out who is actually capable of giving you access to that account > yet, so let's maybe tune down the whole discussion one level, please? > > I'm sure all is meant well by everyone and there is not really anything > adverse going on here. I have been told there are higher-ups who control this. Somebody knows and isn't letting on. Jonathan
Re: Twitter access
> On 07/19/2018 09:25 PM, Jonathan Riddell wrote: > > As I say I am aware of the process and the need for restrictions. But > > I have access to KDE social media and have done since we started > > having any. But for some reason I am being blocked from this one > > account. Nobody has yet said who by or why. It's illogical, > > humiliating and despiriting. > > First of, we're kind of on the wrong mailing list for this, which > is making the whole exchange a bit awkward and is probably making > people a bit stand-off-ish. For discussing the details of promo > business we have a promo list. I asked on promo list and social-media list and I've just been blanked. This is not a new issue it has been going on for some time. > Then, did you miss Paul's reply? The exchange from my POV is > currently at "Hey, can I have the password to Twitter directly > because I am Plasma release person?" - "Hey, the promo community > has a whole strategy now for how we compose these together with > peer review and doesn't really have anyone direct-post anymore". I am aware of the process. I have followed it for the last 15 years. I have been the only active member for much of that time. To be managed out like this after all that time is horrible and being told what the process is that I've maintained for longer than anyone is just patronising. Jonathan
Re: Twitter access
On 07/19/2018 09:25 PM, Jonathan Riddell wrote: > As I say I am aware of the process and the need for restrictions. But > I have access to KDE social media and have done since we started > having any. But for some reason I am being blocked from this one > account. Nobody has yet said who by or why. It's illogical, > humiliating and despiriting. First of, we're kind of on the wrong mailing list for this, which is making the whole exchange a bit awkward and is probably making people a bit stand-off-ish. For discussing the details of promo business we have a promo list. Then, did you miss Paul's reply? The exchange from my POV is currently at "Hey, can I have the password to Twitter directly because I am Plasma release person?" - "Hey, the promo community has a whole strategy now for how we compose these together with peer review and doesn't really have anyone direct-post anymore". The next step is you saying "OK, I want Plasma release posts on Twitter in lockstep with release. We schedule these releases ahead of time, so this should be very doable. It makes sense for me to be involved because I can propose/draft content. Let's make it happen." Eye on the ball? This is a solvable problem. > Jonathan Cheers, Eike
Re: Twitter access
Hi, On Thursday, 19 July 2018 14:25:41 CEST Jonathan Riddell wrote: > But > I have access to KDE social media and have done since we started > having any. But for some reason I am being blocked from this one > account. Nobody has yet said who by or why. It's illogical, > humiliating and despiriting. I think this is a feeling constructed from the simple coincidence that nobody has found out who is actually capable of giving you access to that account yet, so let's maybe tune down the whole discussion one level, please? I'm sure all is meant well by everyone and there is not really anything adverse going on here. Thank you, Sven signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Twitter access
On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 09:13:16PM +0900, Eike Hein wrote: > I agree the "unnamed" and not having good docs (hello again, topic) > on this is bad. > > There's a long history of the web presence being treated in a special > way, though. Even in the good old CVS/SVN days, you needed a special > permission bit to be able to commit to www/ doled out by sysadmin via > a murky badly-defined process. This isn't a new problem. This problem > predates most of our present-day contributors, so it's ironically a > very KDE thing. > > Here's the way to fix this: kde-promo writes a documentation page on > the wiki about how the Twitter account is run and how exactly to > escalate requests related to it. As I say I am aware of the process and the need for restrictions. But I have access to KDE social media and have done since we started having any. But for some reason I am being blocked from this one account. Nobody has yet said who by or why. It's illogical, humiliating and despiriting. Jonathan
Re: Twitter access
> Maybe someone can edit the wik page and remove my name. Done David
Re: Twitter access
On 19 July 2018 at 14:07, Jonathan Riddell wrote: > On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 01:01:25PM +0100, David Edmundson wrote: >> >> So that's a no then. Tell these higher-ups that partial blocking of a >> proven contributor from completing a specific task when they have 15 >> years of track record is demotivating and not how things should be >> done in KDE. >> >> >> Peer review is exactly how things should be done in KDE. >> >> I don't understand the problem, maybe you can explain what is unique about >> your >> specific task that means you should skip it. > > I know the process, I've been doing it for 15 years. I'm not skipping > the process I'm being blocked by an opaque group from doing it in an > efficient manor as I have done successfully for longer than any other > person in KDE. As someone who is mentioned as a maintainer for the @kdecommunity account on that wiki page [1], at least for myself that information is outdated. As far as I'm aware, I no longer have access to this account. So I can't really help with your request. Maybe someone can edit the wiki page and remove my name. Cheers, Claudia [1] https://community.kde.org/Promo/People/social_media#Global_coordination
Re: Twitter access
Hi, I agree the "unnamed" and not having good docs (hello again, topic) on this is bad. There's a long history of the web presence being treated in a special way, though. Even in the good old CVS/SVN days, you needed a special permission bit to be able to commit to www/ doled out by sysadmin via a murky badly-defined process. This isn't a new problem. This problem predates most of our present-day contributors, so it's ironically a very KDE thing. Here's the way to fix this: kde-promo writes a documentation page on the wiki about how the Twitter account is run and how exactly to escalate requests related to it. Cheers, Eike On 07/19/2018 09:07 PM, Jonathan Riddell wrote: > On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 01:01:25PM +0100, David Edmundson wrote: >> >> So that's a no then. Tell these higher-ups that partial blocking of a >> proven contributor from completing a specific task when they have 15 >> years of track record is demotivating and not how things should be >> done in KDE. >> >> >> Peer review is exactly how things should be done in KDE. >> >> I don't understand the problem, maybe you can explain what is unique about >> your >> specific task that means you should skip it. > > I know the process, I've been doing it for 15 years. I'm not skipping > the process I'm being blocked by an opaque group from doing it in an > efficient manor as I have done successfully for longer than any other > person in KDE. > > Jonathan >
Re: Twitter access
On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 01:01:25PM +0100, David Edmundson wrote: > > So that's a no then. Tell these higher-ups that partial blocking of a > proven contributor from completing a specific task when they have 15 > years of track record is demotivating and not how things should be > done in KDE. > > > Peer review is exactly how things should be done in KDE. > > I don't understand the problem, maybe you can explain what is unique about > your > specific task that means you should skip it. I know the process, I've been doing it for 15 years. I'm not skipping the process I'm being blocked by an opaque group from doing it in an efficient manor as I have done successfully for longer than any other person in KDE. Jonathan
Re: Twitter access
> So that's a no then. Tell these higher-ups that partial blocking of a > proven contributor from completing a specific task when they have 15 > years of track record is demotivating and not how things should be > done in KDE. > Peer review is exactly how things should be done in KDE. I don't understand the problem, maybe you can explain what is unique about your specific task that means you should skip it. David
Re: Twitter access
On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 03:45:26PM +0200, Paul Brown wrote: > On miércoles, 18 de julio de 2018 15:16:39 (CEST) Jonathan Riddell wrote: > > I'll stop doing KDE promo again then. > > Please don't. I for one value your contributions and think that a rift > between > Promo and yourself would be bad for both parties. > > > KDE shouldn't have unnamed > > higher powers who block community contributions. > > This is not the case. The only thing is that we don't do off-the-cuff social > posts any more. Is there a small group of people who has access to the social > media accounts? Yes. And not everybody even in promo has access to the social > media account? That is correct. > > But that is because it is not necessary: when somebody wants to post > something, we discuss the wording (for a very short while -- it doesn't drag > on anything) in the promo channels, find an image, and then publish. It is > never the work of one single person. > > You're subscribed to the Promo channels. You must've seen this in action. > This > is the same for everybody, whether they have direct access to the accounts or > not. > > We work like this with Kdenlive, Krita, Akademy organisers, and so on and it > works well. We are getting consistently more traction on posts since we > stopped improvising. > > I hope the above convinces you to carry on being part of promo So that's a no then. Tell these higher-ups that partial blocking of a proven contributor from completing a specific task when they have 15 years of track record is demotivating and not how things should be done in KDE. Jonathan
Re: Twitter access
On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 03:31:42PM +0200, Luca Beltrame wrote: > Il giorno Wed, 18 Jul 2018 14:16:39 +0100 > Jonathan Riddell ha > scritto: > > > I'll stop doing KDE promo again then. KDE shouldn't have unnamed > > higher powers who block community contributions. > > There are no "unnamed powers" and no one is blocking anything, as far > as I can see. That is what I told is the case. I've not seen anything different and you've not said anything different. Jonathan
