Re: FOSDEM: call to action!
On vrijdag 24 augustus 2018 21:32:49 CEST Adriaan de Groot wrote: > > So I'd say something like "2 moving boxes full of swag". Sounds like Younis, my local printer, is going to be happy :-) > As for the table skirt: get something nice-ish, but there's no point in > aiuming for form-fitted because things are always going to change shape. A > big blue cloth (2m x 3m) plus a "loper" (40cm x 2m) with a KDE logo on it > would be really flexible. Perhaps we can sketch some things at our next > lunch meeting. Yes! Looks like both Irina and Wolthera will also be there, so this might be productive :-) -- https://www.valdyas.org | https://www.krita.org
Re: FOSDEM: call to action!
On Friday, 24 August 2018 21:14:11 CEST Boudewijn Rempt wrote: > Do we actually have any numbers about how much merchandise we can get > through during Fosdem? I know that my Krita tat was all gone by the end of > Saturday... We can go through a few dozen -- say 40 -- T-shirts if we have the KDE India ones in nice colors. A few hundred stickers. Maybe 50-80 pamphlets about KDE / Plasma / Join the Game or whatever it is now called. We had the plush Konqui's, those were really cool. Hoodies were missed. So I'd say something like "2 moving boxes full of swag". As for the table skirt: get something nice-ish, but there's no point in aiuming for form-fitted because things are always going to change shape. A big blue cloth (2m x 3m) plus a "loper" (40cm x 2m) with a KDE logo on it would be really flexible. Perhaps we can sketch some things at our next lunch meeting. [ade] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: FOSDEM: call to action!
Do we actually have any numbers about how much merchandise we can get through during Fosdem? I know that my Krita tat was all gone by the end of Saturday... On vrijdag 24 augustus 2018 20:26:46 CEST Boudewijn Rempt wrote: > Okay, I will contact my friendly local printer and get estimates. I guess > that actually asking for the table is already something set in motion? > > On vrijdag 24 augustus 2018 20:05:31 CEST Lydia Pintscher wrote: > > Hey :) > > > > On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 9:23 PM Boudewijn Rempt wrote: > > > * We need decoration for the stand. Cloths for the table. Do we have > > > those? We should have vertical banners designed and printed: I would > > > like > > > one for kde as a whole, one for krita + kdenlive, one for plasma -- > > > three > > > would cover the backside of the table, and obviate the necessity to > > > plaster the window with tape. Can KDE e.V. pay for those? > > > > Yeah that shouldn't be a problem. Send a rough budget to the board and > > we'll sort it out. > > > > > * Merchandise. I have, again, or maybe still, plenty of Krita stuff to > > > hand > > > out. We should have KDE stuff, too. For that, we need designs, we need > > > money; I have a local printer who can do cool stuff and a big suitcase. > > > We need a budget. > > > > Same. Send the budget to the board and we'll sort it out. I don't > > expect any issues. > > > > > > Cheers > > Lydia -- https://www.valdyas.org | https://www.krita.org
Re: FOSDEM: call to action!
On vrijdag 24 augustus 2018 21:00:52 CEST Paul Brown wrote: > On viernes, 24 de agosto de 2018 20:26:46 (CEST) Boudewijn Rempt wrote: > > Okay, I will contact my friendly local printer and get estimates. I guess > > that actually asking for the table is already something set in motion? > > Is it worth trying to get a proper skirt for the table, one we can re-use > elsewhere, one that has the logo fo KDE or a Konqui or something on it? > We might as well try to get a new one, with a bit more pizazz. -- https://www.valdyas.org | https://www.krita.org
Re: FOSDEM: call to action!
On viernes, 24 de agosto de 2018 20:26:46 (CEST) Boudewijn Rempt wrote: > Okay, I will contact my friendly local printer and get estimates. I guess > that actually asking for the table is already something set in motion? Is it worth trying to get a proper skirt for the table, one we can re-use elsewhere, one that has the logo fo KDE or a Konqui or something on it? > > On vrijdag 24 augustus 2018 20:05:31 CEST Lydia Pintscher wrote: > > Hey :) > > > > On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 9:23 PM Boudewijn Rempt wrote: > > > * We need decoration for the stand. Cloths for the table. Do we have > > > those? We should have vertical banners designed and printed: I would > > > like > > > one for kde as a whole, one for krita + kdenlive, one for plasma -- > > > three > > > would cover the backside of the table, and obviate the necessity to > > > plaster the window with tape. Can KDE e.V. pay for those? > > > > Yeah that shouldn't be a problem. Send a rough budget to the board and > > we'll sort it out. > > > > > * Merchandise. I have, again, or maybe still, plenty of Krita stuff to > > > hand > > > out. We should have KDE stuff, too. For that, we need designs, we need > > > money; I have a local printer who can do cool stuff and a big suitcase. > > > We need a budget. > > > > Same. Send the budget to the board and we'll sort it out. I don't > > expect any issues. > > > > > > Cheers > > Lydia -- Promotion & Communication www: http://kde.org Mastodon: https://mastodon.technology/@kde Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/kde/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kdecommunity signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: FOSDEM: call to action!
Hey :) On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 9:23 PM Boudewijn Rempt wrote: > * We need decoration for the stand. Cloths for the table. Do we have those? We > should have vertical banners designed and printed: I would like one for kde as > a whole, one for krita + kdenlive, one for plasma -- three would cover the > backside of the table, and obviate the necessity to plaster the window with > tape. Can KDE e.V. pay for those? Yeah that shouldn't be a problem. Send a rough budget to the board and we'll sort it out. > * Merchandise. I have, again, or maybe still, plenty of Krita stuff to hand > out. We should have KDE stuff, too. For that, we need designs, we need money; > I have a local printer who can do cool stuff and a big suitcase. We need a > budget. Same. Send the budget to the board and we'll sort it out. I don't expect any issues. Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher KDE e.V. Board of Directors http://kde.org - http://open-advice.org
Re: Improving our integration with KDE application teams, and supporting companies
On 2018-08-24, Cornelius Schumacher wrote: > This was a quite complex situation, there were many factors involved. But > again the negative feedback was not about the question if it's ok to pay > developers but about other aspects of how the project was handled. And on some of those questions, Frank has later said at public talks that "KDE was right". (fosdem last year) /Sune
Re: Improving our integration with KDE application teams, and supporting companies
Thanks for starting this topic Valorie. Hoping I do not repeat similar observations, wanted to share one thing. Background As soon as KDE application(s) are not publicly tied to "KDE" desktop on several levels, fair rules of competition become possible. I have learned this through the history of KEXI since 2002: in years where we had strong Windows support were extraordinary regarding user feedback. The same about caring for non-Plasma desktops compatibility. "Plasma users" tend to be a minority target at least for specialized apps by definition, well that group is a minority on the Desktop itself, so how it can be otherwise? And numbers further decreased after the decline of some desktops towards touch based UIs. Boud can correct me here but Krita loks like a very good example too. As soon as an app project is known as a normal standalone app, things start to be normal. For some reasons not caused by us, KDE folks, this is not *default* state for apps. "For KDE only" has been long the default. For Qt-only app projects it is a bit easier. It's good when we attract these projects under the KDE umbrella. To compare with above examples, Calligra as a whole has not managed so far to escape the "Office suite for KDE" or older "Integrated KDE office suite" unfortunate stamps.[1][2] Well, I bet such sentences still sit in package descriptions across some distributions. Here, again even in KDE circles the #1 FOSS competing office suite is perceived as global instead of Calligra. I've not seen too much of spontaneous use of Calligra during Akademy presentations. We were close to being global in the gold Nokia and KO GmbH times (2009+) even if there was some more interest in mobile targets. And now: One challenge for the integration I would see it that "part of the KDE community" needs to be in conflict with the "go global". Application contributors need not to worry that their attempt to "go global" is not the preferred choice within the KDE family. [1] I do not see this much different from Microsofts' behavior of promoting apps "running best on its operating system". [2] Just unfortunate messaging since at technology level we have no such problems. We stay on top of extremely portable Qt, CMake and KF5 technologies, paired with great multi-OS KDE CI infra. As it's worth mentioning the KF5 prject realizes its road to "global" just very well IMO. On Sat, 11 Aug 2018 at 12:35, Valorie Zimmerman wrote: > Hello folks, I've recently spent a week with Boud and Irina Rempt at > their invitation. I hope that this sort of generous hospitality > becomes the norm in our our KDE family. While there, we had many > conversations about the past, present and future of KDE. I was > surprised to learn that during the life of KO, Boud's previous company > with Inga Wallin and now with his small company which supports Krita, > he encountered quite a bit of opposition *in the KDE community*! > > I've long been puzzled why KDE applications seem to be relegated to > the "second circle" of KDE, and companies supporting KDE software even > further out. > > Not just puzzled, but somewhat discouraged, to be honest. When I > consider the future of a healthy KDE, I see many small companies > popping up, offering commercial support and specialized applications > to users. Far too often I see our great young programmers work within > KDE for a few years, but when they find a job "outside" then pair up > and perhaps have children, they are only involved tangentially. In a > healthy ecosystem, there would numerous KDE affiliated companies > competing to hire them, and they would stay involved as long as they > wanted, while supporting themselves. > > Am I the only one who thinks of our future in this way? I think it's > great that we are improving ties with "outside" companies and groups, > and fully support that. But *inside* KDE we should be starting > companies and foundations who can collect donations to support KDE > programmers. I would like to know the thoughts of others and how we > can best encourage this. > > Please let's talk about this during Akademy. > > Valorie > > -- > http://about.me/valoriez > -- regards, Jaroslaw Staniek KDE: : A world-wide network of software engineers, artists, writers, translators : and facilitators committed to Free Software development - http://kde.org KEXI: : A visual database apps builder - http://calligra.org/kexi http://twitter.com/kexi_project https://facebook.com/kexi.project Qt Certified Specialist: : http://www.linkedin.com/in/jstaniek
