Re: planet forwarding to discuss?
On 6/21/23 23:23, Phu Hung Nguyen wrote: On 6/21/23 20:11, "Friedrich W. H. Kossebau" wrote: Please try to have the open mind to solve this e.g. by a flag to the planet blog registration metadata, if people would like to participate in that undertaking and have automatically also a discussion thread on a post. Or an opt-out if you think everyone by default should think this is an awesome thing to have. I have code to do this for Planet ready on my laptop now. A separate feed will be created at planet.kde.org/discuss/index.xml containing only posts whose authors want them to be on Discuss (based on the config on Planet; we can deal with either opt-in or opt-out mode fine). Discuss then can be configured to use https://github.com/discourse/discourse-rss-polling (as suggested by @sitter) to read that feed. Regards, Phu Thanks for making this possible to try out, Phu. I don't have a strong opinion regarding opt-in or opt out, but if we go forward with it, regardless of what we choose I would like my blog to participate--and then I will disable the built-in Wordpress comments, which are fairly limited in functionality and moderation tools. Nate
Re: planet forwarding to discuss?
On 6/21/23 20:11, "Friedrich W. H. Kossebau" wrote: Please try to have the open mind to solve this e.g. by a flag to the planet blog registration metadata, if people would like to participate in that undertaking and have automatically also a discussion thread on a post. Or an opt-out if you think everyone by default should think this is an awesome thing to have. I have code to do this for Planet ready on my laptop now. A separate feed will be created at planet.kde.org/discuss/index.xml containing only posts whose authors want them to be on Discuss (based on the config on Planet; we can deal with either opt-in or opt-out mode fine). Discuss then can be configured to use https://github.com/discourse/discourse-rss-polling (as suggested by @sitter) to read that feed. Regards, Phu
Re: planet forwarding to discuss?
As it is related I just want to make you all aware of the possibility to integrate Discuss with your website as a comment system: https://meta.discourse.org/t/embed-discourse-comments-on-another-website-via-javascript/31963 This will at least avoid the problem of split discussion between discuss and your website. We recently switched the comment system of kdenlive.org from Wordpress comments to discuss.kde.org based comments, you can see this in action at https://kdenlive.org/en/2023/06/kdenlive-23-04-2-released/ Cheers, Julius 21.06.2023 20:12:24 Friedrich W. H. Kossebau : > Am Mittwoch, 21. Juni 2023, 15:02:31 CEST schrieb Jonathan Riddell: >> The downside is splitting where discussion happens but it's not a big ask >> to expect KDE devs to visit Discuss at times. > > Am Mittwoch, 21. Juni 2023, 18:53:56 CEST schrieb Nate Graham: >> probably nobody is actually expecting you or anyone else to participate > there. > > Now what... ? Everything is true and false at the same time? :) > >> It seems like the people who have expressed negativity or apprehension >> about the idea so far admit they don't use discuss.kde.org. And that's >> fine. But my recommendation for those folks (yourself included) would be >> to just continue ignoring it, because that's 100% okay and > > I fear the point did not made it across: > > if all planet blog posts would get a discussion thread on discuss.kde.org, > there is chance comments intended to catch the attention of the author or > other blog readers (at a later point) will fail to reach the audience. > That is a change to now. One cannot ignore that. > If considered "apprehension", why not respect that sentiment and act on it, > instead of what comes across as dismissing? > > Please try to have the open mind to solve this e.g. by a flag to the planet > blog registration metadata, if people would like to participate in that > undertaking and have automatically also a discussion thread on a post. > Or an opt-out if you think everyone by default should think this is an awesome > thing to have. > > To state it explicitly: > I am fine with and also curious (for reasons stated) to see if it works out > for those who are interested. No objections (would be strange also) to have > your and others' blog posts announced with discussion-enabled on > discuss.kde.org > But myself I do not spend time on discussion on dicuss.kde.org, also not > reddit, twitter, *whatever* . And will not, given other things in life to do. > So I am not happy to be "expected" to either have to use discuss.kde.org (as > stated by at least one) or to miss out some comments to me or other blog post > readers. > > Let's have solutions that work for everyone. That's also why people asked > about this instead of just implementing something, right? > > Cheers > Friedrich
Re: discuss announce forum forward to kde-announce list
On Thu, Jun 22, 2023 at 5:20 AM Heiko Becker wrote: > On Wednesday, 21 June 2023 19:08:38 CEST, Albert Astals Cid wrote: > > El dimecres, 21 de juny de 2023, a les 16:41:03 (CEST), Kenny Duffus va > > escriure: > >> On Wednesday, 21 June 2023 15:33:34 BST Jonathan Riddell wrote: ... > > > > Much better > > Indeed. IMHO, the purpose of kde-announce is to notify interested parties > about new releases from KDE. It does so well, without any noise. And I'd > prefer it to keep it that way, without any "why didn't you still fix my > pet > bug in this release" or "" comments. > It also already has several thousand people subscribed to it, and the most important part of an announcement channel is the audience. We wouldn't be able to transfer their data into Discourse as that would be using data for reasons other than what it was originally provided to us for. It therefore will need to be a mailing list -> Discourse posting. > > Regards, > Heiko > Thanks, Ben
Re: planet forwarding to discuss?
Am Mittwoch, 21. Juni 2023, 15:02:31 CEST schrieb Jonathan Riddell: > The downside is splitting where discussion happens but it's not a big ask > to expect KDE devs to visit Discuss at times. Am Mittwoch, 21. Juni 2023, 18:53:56 CEST schrieb Nate Graham: > probably nobody is actually expecting you or anyone else to participate there. Now what... ? Everything is true and false at the same time? :) > It seems like the people who have expressed negativity or apprehension > about the idea so far admit they don't use discuss.kde.org. And that's > fine. But my recommendation for those folks (yourself included) would be > to just continue ignoring it, because that's 100% okay and I fear the point did not made it across: if all planet blog posts would get a discussion thread on discuss.kde.org, there is chance comments intended to catch the attention of the author or other blog readers (at a later point) will fail to reach the audience. That is a change to now. One cannot ignore that. If considered "apprehension", why not respect that sentiment and act on it, instead of what comes across as dismissing? Please try to have the open mind to solve this e.g. by a flag to the planet blog registration metadata, if people would like to participate in that undertaking and have automatically also a discussion thread on a post. Or an opt-out if you think everyone by default should think this is an awesome thing to have. To state it explicitly: I am fine with and also curious (for reasons stated) to see if it works out for those who are interested. No objections (would be strange also) to have your and others' blog posts announced with discussion-enabled on discuss.kde.org But myself I do not spend time on discussion on dicuss.kde.org, also not reddit, twitter, *whatever* . And will not, given other things in life to do. So I am not happy to be "expected" to either have to use discuss.kde.org (as stated by at least one) or to miss out some comments to me or other blog post readers. Let's have solutions that work for everyone. That's also why people asked about this instead of just implementing something, right? Cheers Friedrich
Re: discuss announce forum forward to kde-announce list
On Wednesday, 21 June 2023 19:08:38 CEST, Albert Astals Cid wrote: El dimecres, 21 de juny de 2023, a les 16:41:03 (CEST), Kenny Duffus va escriure: On Wednesday, 21 June 2023 15:33:34 BST Jonathan Riddell wrote: ... Much better Indeed. IMHO, the purpose of kde-announce is to notify interested parties about new releases from KDE. It does so well, without any noise. And I'd prefer it to keep it that way, without any "why didn't you still fix my pet bug in this release" or "" comments. Regards, Heiko
Re: discuss announce forum forward to kde-announce list
El dimecres, 21 de juny de 2023, a les 16:41:03 (CEST), Kenny Duffus va escriure: > On Wednesday, 21 June 2023 15:33:34 BST Jonathan Riddell wrote: > > Can we set up the Discuss announce forum to forward to the kde-announce > > mailing list? > > > > https://discuss.kde.org/c/announcement/9 > > > > https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-announce/ > > > > Currently we have to post twice and that often doesn't happen > > Doing it mailing list to forum sounds better? Much better
Re: planet forwarding to discuss?
On 6/21/23 17:53, Friedrich W. H. Kossebau wrote:> Well... * blog posts had not been covered on forums.kde.org(?), so nothing to compare * discuss.kde.org is intended to replace kreddit? so expectations transferred? * "it's not a big ask to expect KDE devs to visit Discuss at times" in the very email that triggered my initial reply :) It seems like the people who have expressed negativity or apprehension about the idea so far admit they don't use discuss.kde.org. And that's fine. But my recommendation for those folks (yourself included) would be to just continue ignoring it, because that's 100% okay and probably nobody is actually expecting you or anyone else to participate there. I say let's try to have an open mind here. If we do it and it doesn't have the results we want, we can undo it in five minutes. Nate
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Re: planet forwarding to discuss?
Am Mittwoch, 21. Juni 2023, 17:20:09 CEST schrieb Nate Graham: > On 6/21/23 16:57, Friedrich W. H. Kossebau wrote: > > Am Mittwoch, 21. Juni 2023, 16:20:21 CEST schrieb Nate Graham: > >> Regarding the topic of having comments split across multiple places, I'm > >> afraid that ship has sailed. I have comments on my blog, and the > >> discussion nevertheless gets split across Reddit, Mastodon, Phoronix, > >> and Discuss already. > > > > Isn't it a difference if a discussion happens at some external place or if > > it happens in some KDE place? People might rather expect the original > > post author around in a KDE one, no? > > The concern sounds quite theoretical and I'm not sure it's actually a > problem in practice. Have you had this experience in the past? It is as theoretic as the idea that people have been waiting to discuss blog posts on discuss.kde.org instead of general purpose sites they already have accounts for other things in their lifes. Not that many people circle just aronud "KDE". And actually not that theoretic concern, see below. > Speaking from personal experience as someone whose blog posts are > syndicated quite widely, I've never once run into the expectation that I > would be available for comment on the old forum.kde.org, or the new > discuss.kde.org. On the contrary, the only place I've experienced this > expectation has been on Reddit, which we don't have control over. Well... * blog posts had not been covered on forums.kde.org(?), so nothing to compare * discuss.kde.org is intended to replace kreddit? so expectations transferred? * "it's not a big ask to expect KDE devs to visit Discuss at times" in the very email that triggered my initial reply :) To summarize: please have that as an opt-in to invite people to discuss blog posts on discuss.kde.org. Friedrich
Re: planet forwarding to discuss?
On 6/21/23 16:57, Friedrich W. H. Kossebau wrote: Am Mittwoch, 21. Juni 2023, 16:20:21 CEST schrieb Nate Graham: Regarding the topic of having comments split across multiple places, I'm afraid that ship has sailed. I have comments on my blog, and the discussion nevertheless gets split across Reddit, Mastodon, Phoronix, and Discuss already. Isn't it a difference if a discussion happens at some external place or if it happens in some KDE place? People might rather expect the original post author around in a KDE one, no? The concern sounds quite theoretical and I'm not sure it's actually a problem in practice. Have you had this experience in the past? Speaking from personal experience as someone whose blog posts are syndicated quite widely, I've never once run into the expectation that I would be available for comment on the old forum.kde.org, or the new discuss.kde.org. On the contrary, the only place I've experienced this expectation has been on Reddit, which we don't have control over. Nate
Re: discuss announce forum forward to kde-announce list
I don't think it matters, whichever is easier to implement. As Discuss can be used as a mailing list it would be easiest to just tell people to register and subscribe to the Discuss forum, but I suspect that won't be universally approved. Jonathan On Wed, 21 Jun 2023 at 15:41, Kenny Duffus wrote: > On Wednesday, 21 June 2023 15:33:34 BST Jonathan Riddell wrote: > > Can we set up the Discuss announce forum to forward to the kde-announce > > mailing list? > > > > https://discuss.kde.org/c/announcement/9 > > > > https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-announce/ > > > > Currently we have to post twice and that often doesn't happen > > > > Doing it mailing list to forum sounds better? > > -- > > Kenny (he/him) > > >
Re: planet forwarding to discuss?
Am Mittwoch, 21. Juni 2023, 16:20:21 CEST schrieb Nate Graham: > Regarding the topic of having comments split across multiple places, I'm > afraid that ship has sailed. I have comments on my blog, and the > discussion nevertheless gets split across Reddit, Mastodon, Phoronix, > and Discuss already. Isn't it a difference if a discussion happens at some external place or if it happens in some KDE place? People might rather expect the original post author around in a KDE one, no? Perhaps it could be only done for blog posts where authors/people opt-in to use discuss.kde.org for follow-up discussions. E.g. IIRC Kate blog posts have had decided to use kreddit as the central discussion/commenting place. And might consider perhaps to switch to discuss.kde.org instead (though will people follow? yet another account needed? yet another UI, yet another set of user names?) And there are discussions, and there are value-adding comments. IMHO social-clubbing discussions are fine to have elsewhere, but if people point out mistakes or have additional information, please let's not invite them to other seemingly KDE-officially places when the original blog post allows comments. So just because things are bad already, let's not make it worse for more people. Friedrich
Re: discuss announce forum forward to kde-announce list
On Wednesday, 21 June 2023 15:33:34 BST Jonathan Riddell wrote: > Can we set up the Discuss announce forum to forward to the kde-announce > mailing list? > > https://discuss.kde.org/c/announcement/9 > > https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-announce/ > > Currently we have to post twice and that often doesn't happen > Doing it mailing list to forum sounds better? -- Kenny (he/him)
discuss announce forum forward to kde-announce list
Can we set up the Discuss announce forum to forward to the kde-announce mailing list? https://discuss.kde.org/c/announcement/9 https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-announce/ Currently we have to post twice and that often doesn't happen Jonathan
Re: planet forwarding to discuss?
On Mittwoch, 21. Juni 2023 16:09:48 CEST Friedrich W. H. Kossebau wrote: > Am Mittwoch, 21. Juni 2023, 15:02:31 CEST schrieb Jonathan Riddell: > > The downside is splitting where discussion happens but it's not a big ask > > to expect KDE devs to visit Discuss at times. > > Being a developer, I think it is ;) I agree. I could never bring myself to use any of our forums. I'm living on mailing lists, our GitLab, and many Matrix channels. I only have that much input capacity. > Personally I never had time left for forums.kde.org, discuss.kde.org does > not change that fact. Exactly my experience and sentiment. On the other hand, our KDE PIM blog on kontact.org doesn't allow commenting. I suppose giving people the possibility to comment on the blog on discuss would be nice even if I probably wouldn't read the comments. Regards, Ingo signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: planet forwarding to discuss?
Regarding the topic of having comments split across multiple places, I'm afraid that ship has sailed. I have comments on my blog, and the discussion nevertheless gets split across Reddit, Mastodon, Phoronix, and Discuss already. I don't have time to follow all of those, and I accept that. But there is nothing I can do about it. It's much the same with the proposal here: people will discuss things where they want to discuss them regardless of what we do. The difference is that if we make it easy to discuss things on discuss.kde.org, there's a higher likelihood of the discussion becoming centralized there, and not on places we don't control and generally don't want to interact with. like Phoronix and Twitter. Nate
Re: planet forwarding to discuss?
Am Mittwoch, 21. Juni 2023, 15:02:31 CEST schrieb Jonathan Riddell: > The downside is splitting where discussion happens but it's not a big ask > to expect KDE devs to visit Discuss at times. Being a developer, I think it is ;) There is only so much (leisure) time one can spent on writing code, reviewing MRs. dealing with bug reports, debugging code, being on online chat, discussing on developer mailing lists... Personally I never had time left for forums.kde.org, discuss.kde.org does not change that fact. If I write a blog post (actually doing this very minute ;) ) I would also fancy any reaction next to it, not somewhere else (also for people finding that blog post only later). An idea to just forward all commenters to discuss.kde.org as the single place, so linking to an external (and potentially one day also no longer existing/ working because the platform changed again) comment area is adding complexity, and half of post readers might not follow such links so miss comments adding value, also it might add burden when it needs yet another account for random commenters. So not a fan, would harm my own experience. Cheers Friedrich
Re: planet forwarding to discuss?
I'm all for this, it would make our writing more accessible to everyone. The downside is splitting where discussion happens but it's not a big ask to expect KDE devs to visit Discuss at times. Jonathan On Wed, 21 Jun 2023 at 11:55, Harald Sitter wrote: > may be of interest > > https://discuss.kde.org/t/post-planet-kde-org-blogs-on-discuss-automatically/2287/1 >
Re: planet forwarding to discuss?
On 2023-06-21, Harald Sitter wrote: > may be of interest > https://discuss.kde.org/t/post-planet-kde-org-blogs-on-discuss-automatically/2287/1 I kind of want comments to my blog post as comments on my blog post, not in all sorts of other forums. /Sune
planet forwarding to discuss?
may be of interest https://discuss.kde.org/t/post-planet-kde-org-blogs-on-discuss-automatically/2287/1
