Re: using gitlab ultimate
We've been offered free Ultimate in the past, but decided it's better to bargain together with others in the community (e.g. Gnome) for a better-featured free software version. I still think that's a good use of our collective sway. Eike
Re: using gitlab ultimate
I assumed this would only be available for projects on the official GitLab instance, but it appears to also be available for self hosted instances too if all the requirements are met. https://about.gitlab.com/solutions/open-source/join/ Although KDE may qualify for it, if it means migrating from CE to EE (the non-free version of GitLab) then it would need to be considered if Ultimate's features are worth using the proprietary version of GitLab. Personally, using EE to host free software doesn't seem right. Regards, Ben On 3/8/23 00:40, Harald Sitter wrote: On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 4:35 PM wrote: On 2023-08-02 16:26, Harald Sitter wrote: On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 4:23 PM Ingo Klöcker wrote: On Mittwoch, 2. August 2023 15:55:44 CEST Harald Sitter wrote: On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 3:48 PM Sune Vuorela wrote: On 2023-08-02, Harald Sitter wrote: I don't think so As such, I have a hard time seeing that these mentioned features is important enough to give in on what I feel are our principles of a organization doing free software. I have a hard time finding any featureset where it would be important enough. It is my understanding that non-trivial amounts of time have been spent on making a CI dashboard that now nobody uses because it is defunct or some such. In essence we've wasted valuable free software time. That seems a pretty compelling reason in my book. No, it's a pretty compelling reason to convince the GitLab folks to make their dashboard available to everyone. I'll not stop you :) Until that happens the argument stands. Hi, I don't think using commercial non-free solutions as the primary tool for our development is a good idea. Beside that, that is billed per user: https://about.gitlab.com/pricing/ e.g. $1188 USD per year per non-guest user That looks like a lot money to pay given we have more than 10 users, even if it has less costs if you buy xxx accounts. It is my understanding that they are giving it away for free to free software projects. HS -- Ben Bonacci https://benbonacci.com C0A9 E67F 8CDC B1A1 0860 1807 E018 065C C7DF 3976 Quote of the Day: "Not all those who wander are lost." - Marthe Troly-Curtin
Re: using gitlab ultimate
On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 4:41 PM Harald Sitter wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 4:35 PM wrote: > > > > On 2023-08-02 16:26, Harald Sitter wrote: > > > On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 4:23 PM Ingo Klöcker wrote: > > >> > > >> On Mittwoch, 2. August 2023 15:55:44 CEST Harald Sitter wrote: > > >> > On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 3:48 PM Sune Vuorela wrote: > > >> > > On 2023-08-02, Harald Sitter wrote: > > >> > > > I don't think so > > >> > > > > >> > > As such, I have a hard time seeing that these mentioned features is > > >> > > important enough to give in on what I feel are our principles of a > > >> > > organization doing free software. > > >> > > > > >> > > I have a hard time finding any featureset where it would be important > > >> > > enough. > > >> > > > >> > It is my understanding that non-trivial amounts of time have been > > >> > spent on making a CI dashboard that now nobody uses because it is > > >> > defunct or some such. In essence we've wasted valuable free software > > >> > time. That seems a pretty compelling reason in my book. > > >> > > >> No, it's a pretty compelling reason to convince the GitLab folks to > > >> make their > > >> dashboard available to everyone. > > > > > > I'll not stop you :) > > > Until that happens the argument stands. > > > > Hi, > > > > I don't think using commercial non-free solutions as the primary tool > > for our development > > is a good idea. > > > > Beside that, that is billed per user: https://about.gitlab.com/pricing/ > > > > e.g. $1188 USD per year per non-guest user > > > > That looks like a lot money to pay given we have more than 10 users, > > even if it > > has less costs if you buy xxx accounts. > > It is my understanding that they are giving it away for free to free > software projects. It's worth double checking. I've been running a gitlab instance for an open source project using the free version for the last 3 years. The free/opensource version comes with no support from gitlab. Last time I checked, using the ultimate version will require paying users licenses but you get support (included in this package). Depending on the features set, you can reduce the bill to get the premium version (however, we don't get the "free guest users") instead of ultimate. I'll suggest getting in touch with them and clarify the costs, as they can negotiate on a case by case basis. If my experience serves, nothing is free with gitlab. It isn't a non-profit organization. > HS
Re: using gitlab ultimate
El dimecres, 2 d’agost de 2023, a les 15:44:48 (CEST), Harald Sitter va escriure: > I don't think so This seems to disqualify it, I don't think it makes any sense to use non Free Software to something as core as code hosting. Cheers, Albert > > On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 3:39 PM Sune Vuorela wrote: > > On 2023-08-02, Harald Sitter wrote: > > > Ahoy! > > > > > > How about we start using the gitlab ultimate rather than the free > > > version? > > > > Is it free software ? > > > > https://mako.cc/writing/hill-free_tools.html > > > > /Sune
Re: using gitlab ultimate
Hello Harald, Over the years, we have had similar discussions like this one, that is, convenience vs principles, several times. You can check "Official KDE mirror on github", around Sept. 2015, on this mailing list, for reference. You will find some of the arguments that both parties can put on the table there, with the corresponding counter arguments, if I remember correctly. I remember learning a lot from that discussion. Link: https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-community/2015q3/001507.html Different times bring different perspectives to the same arguments but, since this discussion involves principles, I doubt that much has changed. So do not be surprised if "principles" beat "convenience" once again. Now, if there is pain that developers feel every day, it is more productive to open a debate focused on mitigating that pain in a way that is compatible with our principles. Hopefully you will find support there. So my question to you is... What is the pain you would like to reduce or that process you would like to improve to become more productive? On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 3:41 PM Harald Sitter wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 4:35 PM wrote: > > > > On 2023-08-02 16:26, Harald Sitter wrote: > > > On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 4:23 PM Ingo Klöcker wrote: > > >> > > >> On Mittwoch, 2. August 2023 15:55:44 CEST Harald Sitter wrote: > > >> > On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 3:48 PM Sune Vuorela wrote: > > >> > > On 2023-08-02, Harald Sitter wrote: > > >> > > > I don't think so > > >> > > > > >> > > As such, I have a hard time seeing that these mentioned features is > > >> > > important enough to give in on what I feel are our principles of a > > >> > > organization doing free software. > > >> > > > > >> > > I have a hard time finding any featureset where it would be important > > >> > > enough. > > >> > > > >> > It is my understanding that non-trivial amounts of time have been > > >> > spent on making a CI dashboard that now nobody uses because it is > > >> > defunct or some such. In essence we've wasted valuable free software > > >> > time. That seems a pretty compelling reason in my book. > > >> > > >> No, it's a pretty compelling reason to convince the GitLab folks to > > >> make their > > >> dashboard available to everyone. > > > > > > I'll not stop you :) > > > Until that happens the argument stands. > > > > Hi, > > > > I don't think using commercial non-free solutions as the primary tool > > for our development > > is a good idea. > > > > Beside that, that is billed per user: https://about.gitlab.com/pricing/ > > > > e.g. $1188 USD per year per non-guest user > > > > That looks like a lot money to pay given we have more than 10 users, > > even if it > > has less costs if you buy xxx accounts. > > It is my understanding that they are giving it away for free to free > software projects. > > HS Best Regards Agustin Benito (toscalix) KDE eV member Profile: http://www.toscalix.com
Re: using gitlab ultimate
On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 4:35 PM wrote: > > On 2023-08-02 16:26, Harald Sitter wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 4:23 PM Ingo Klöcker wrote: > >> > >> On Mittwoch, 2. August 2023 15:55:44 CEST Harald Sitter wrote: > >> > On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 3:48 PM Sune Vuorela wrote: > >> > > On 2023-08-02, Harald Sitter wrote: > >> > > > I don't think so > >> > > > >> > > As such, I have a hard time seeing that these mentioned features is > >> > > important enough to give in on what I feel are our principles of a > >> > > organization doing free software. > >> > > > >> > > I have a hard time finding any featureset where it would be important > >> > > enough. > >> > > >> > It is my understanding that non-trivial amounts of time have been > >> > spent on making a CI dashboard that now nobody uses because it is > >> > defunct or some such. In essence we've wasted valuable free software > >> > time. That seems a pretty compelling reason in my book. > >> > >> No, it's a pretty compelling reason to convince the GitLab folks to > >> make their > >> dashboard available to everyone. > > > > I'll not stop you :) > > Until that happens the argument stands. > > Hi, > > I don't think using commercial non-free solutions as the primary tool > for our development > is a good idea. > > Beside that, that is billed per user: https://about.gitlab.com/pricing/ > > e.g. $1188 USD per year per non-guest user > > That looks like a lot money to pay given we have more than 10 users, > even if it > has less costs if you buy xxx accounts. It is my understanding that they are giving it away for free to free software projects. HS
Re: using gitlab ultimate
On 2023-08-02 16:26, Harald Sitter wrote: On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 4:23 PM Ingo Klöcker wrote: On Mittwoch, 2. August 2023 15:55:44 CEST Harald Sitter wrote: > On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 3:48 PM Sune Vuorela wrote: > > On 2023-08-02, Harald Sitter wrote: > > > I don't think so > > > > As such, I have a hard time seeing that these mentioned features is > > important enough to give in on what I feel are our principles of a > > organization doing free software. > > > > I have a hard time finding any featureset where it would be important > > enough. > > It is my understanding that non-trivial amounts of time have been > spent on making a CI dashboard that now nobody uses because it is > defunct or some such. In essence we've wasted valuable free software > time. That seems a pretty compelling reason in my book. No, it's a pretty compelling reason to convince the GitLab folks to make their dashboard available to everyone. I'll not stop you :) Until that happens the argument stands. Hi, I don't think using commercial non-free solutions as the primary tool for our development is a good idea. Beside that, that is billed per user: https://about.gitlab.com/pricing/ e.g. $1188 USD per year per non-guest user That looks like a lot money to pay given we have more than 10 users, even if it has less costs if you buy xxx accounts. Greetings Christoph HS
Re: using gitlab ultimate
On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 4:23 PM Ingo Klöcker wrote: > > On Mittwoch, 2. August 2023 15:55:44 CEST Harald Sitter wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 3:48 PM Sune Vuorela wrote: > > > On 2023-08-02, Harald Sitter wrote: > > > > I don't think so > > > > > > As such, I have a hard time seeing that these mentioned features is > > > important enough to give in on what I feel are our principles of a > > > organization doing free software. > > > > > > I have a hard time finding any featureset where it would be important > > > enough. > > > > It is my understanding that non-trivial amounts of time have been > > spent on making a CI dashboard that now nobody uses because it is > > defunct or some such. In essence we've wasted valuable free software > > time. That seems a pretty compelling reason in my book. > > No, it's a pretty compelling reason to convince the GitLab folks to make their > dashboard available to everyone. I'll not stop you :) Until that happens the argument stands. HS
Re: using gitlab ultimate
On Mittwoch, 2. August 2023 15:55:44 CEST Harald Sitter wrote: > On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 3:48 PM Sune Vuorela wrote: > > On 2023-08-02, Harald Sitter wrote: > > > I don't think so > > > > As such, I have a hard time seeing that these mentioned features is > > important enough to give in on what I feel are our principles of a > > organization doing free software. > > > > I have a hard time finding any featureset where it would be important > > enough. > > It is my understanding that non-trivial amounts of time have been > spent on making a CI dashboard that now nobody uses because it is > defunct or some such. In essence we've wasted valuable free software > time. That seems a pretty compelling reason in my book. No, it's a pretty compelling reason to convince the GitLab folks to make their dashboard available to everyone. Regards, Ingo signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: using gitlab ultimate
On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 3:48 PM Sune Vuorela wrote: > > On 2023-08-02, Harald Sitter wrote: > > I don't think so > > As such, I have a hard time seeing that these mentioned features is > important enough to give in on what I feel are our principles of a > organization doing free software. > > I have a hard time finding any featureset where it would be important > enough. It is my understanding that non-trivial amounts of time have been spent on making a CI dashboard that now nobody uses because it is defunct or some such. In essence we've wasted valuable free software time. That seems a pretty compelling reason in my book. HS
Re: using gitlab ultimate
> Is it free software ? > > https://mako.cc/writing/hill-free_tools.html > > /Sune This is the reason I was given when I asked why we're not using Ultimate before. It does sucks that we don't have tools like CI dashboard, and it's really unfortunate that GitLab locks it behind a paywall, and as far as I know the premium code is also licensed differently
Re: using gitlab ultimate
On 2023-08-02, Harald Sitter wrote: > I don't think so As such, I have a hard time seeing that these mentioned features is important enough to give in on what I feel are our principles of a organization doing free software. I have a hard time finding any featureset where it would be important enough. /Sune
Re: using gitlab ultimate
I don't think so On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 3:39 PM Sune Vuorela wrote: > > On 2023-08-02, Harald Sitter wrote: > > Ahoy! > > > > How about we start using the gitlab ultimate rather than the free version? > > Is it free software ? > > https://mako.cc/writing/hill-free_tools.html > > /Sune >
Re: using gitlab ultimate
On 2023-08-02, Harald Sitter wrote: > Ahoy! > > How about we start using the gitlab ultimate rather than the free version? Is it free software ? https://mako.cc/writing/hill-free_tools.html /Sune
using gitlab ultimate
Ahoy! How about we start using the gitlab ultimate rather than the free version? It'd give us access to some handy dandy features like - CI dashboard - multiple MR assignees - better issue boards - epics & roadmaps - dependency scanning support (for our supporting projects written in ruby, go, python etc) and that's just off the top of my head! What do you reckon? HS
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