Re: [kde-community] Renaming KScreenGenie

[Rajeev Bhatta]

+1 Spectacle is awesome.. though not a screenshot app by immediate hearing... 

Thanks

Regards
Rajeev Bhatta

On Wed, 23 Sep 2015 22:10:06 +0530
Boudhayan Gupta  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> So 73 mails later, I've renamed it to Spectacle. I'm not changing it
> again.
> 
> I am actually working on a small Webcam/Photobooth app that'll be
> called Selfie, hence this.
> 
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Re: [kde-community] Renaming KScreenGenie

[Albert Astals Cid]

El Dimecres, 23 de setembre de 2015, a les 22:10:06, Boudhayan Gupta va 
escriure:
> Hi,
> 
> So 73 mails later, I've renamed it to Spectacle. I'm not changing it again.
> 
> I am actually working on a small Webcam/Photobooth app that'll be
> called Selfie, hence this.

Any reason not to work on kamoso?

Albert

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Re: [kde-community] Renaming KScreenGenie

[David Jarvie]

Selfie suggests that it would use a webcam to take a picture. A misleading name 
is not a good name IMHO.

On 19 September 2015 20:08:06 BST, Rajeev Bhatta  wrote:
>Selfie is better than Kapture for sure.. :)
>
>On Saturday, September 19, 2015 08:38:41 PM Eike Hein wrote:
>> On 09/19/2015 08:32 PM, Rajeev Bhatta wrote:
>> > If we can choose the name Selfie and then it is important to have
>the
>> > users
>> > relate to it as a product too then it works, if we cannot target
>that then
>> > we should not name it such...
>> 
>> I feel like Selfie is more likely to create an emotional
>> bond than Kapture. That's a gut feeling; it's hard to
>> substantiate.
>> 
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Eike
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Re: [kde-community] Renaming KScreenGenie

[Rajeev Bhatta]

Selfie is better than Kapture for sure.. :)

On Saturday, September 19, 2015 08:38:41 PM Eike Hein wrote:
> On 09/19/2015 08:32 PM, Rajeev Bhatta wrote:
> > If we can choose the name Selfie and then it is important to have the
> > users
> > relate to it as a product too then it works, if we cannot target that then
> > we should not name it such...
> 
> I feel like Selfie is more likely to create an emotional
> bond than Kapture. That's a gut feeling; it's hard to
> substantiate.
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Eike

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Re: [kde-community] Renaming KScreenGenie

[Myriam Schweingruber]

You made me giggle with that :

On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 3:16 PM, Eike Hein  wrote:
>
>
> On 09/19/2015 11:36 AM, rajeev bhatta wrote:
>> Like the name selfie..but it will be nightmare finding the app in google
>> if looking for selfie
>
> No it won't. People aren't too dumb to add an extra
> keyword. Internet search is a well-developed skill
> for anyone under 30 at this point.

Erm, sorry, no. I have had enough interaction with wannabe GSoC
students to know this is in no way true, many are not even able to
perform the most basic search involving 2 keywords, let alone more
complex searches. Implying that under 30 means tech savvy is a very
big leap you take, there :) So no, people are indeed too dumb to use 2
keywords, in very many cases. And if they don't find something in the
first 3 lines they give up and ask instead, so others do it for them
(something they don't even think of, duh!).

> Plus, why would internet searches be common in the
> first place? I've never searched for KSnapshot. Have
> you?

Well, I have in the past, and I do a lot of searches on a daily basis.
I am almost double the 30 threshold you use and another example on why
your assumption is wrong ;-)

SCNR

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Re: [kde-community] Renaming KScreenGenie

[rajeev bhatta]

I personally agree with Luigi that the name should not be a generic name, 
specifically to not get multiple confusing results in search engines.


Like the name selfie..but it will be nightmare finding the app in google if 
looking for selfie


Thanks

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From:"Luigi Toscano" <luigi.tosc...@tiscali.it>
Date:Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 2:47 AM
Subject:Re: [kde-community] Renaming KScreenGenie

Eike Hein ha scritto:
> 
> 
> On 09/01/2015 10:08 PM, Boudhayan Gupta wrote:
>> Ladies and gentlemen, I'll take a decision on this in the next couple
>> of days. As it stands now, Pixie is a universal favourite but we can't
>> use it for copyright reasons.
>>
>> Kapture seems to have the most number of votes, so if nothing changes
>> I'll go with that.
> 
> 
> I'd like to object to using Kapture for a number of reasons
> ... apologies for getting involved at this late hour, I was
> on vacation for most of this thread :)
> [..]
> 
> 
> Personally I'm a big fan of the "Selfie" suggestion:
> [...]

Can't we really find something that
- doesn't have a "k"
- is not a generic name?

Generic names are bad for many reasons (including, but not only, when you look
for information about the program on any search engine).

That said, I'm not stopping the renaming (even if I dislike Selfie), I'm not
anyone here. I suspect someone else will poke again in two weeks and ask again
why it was renamed this way, though.

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Re: [kde-community] Renaming KScreenGenie

[techie . rajeev]

People are not dumb.. especially those already familiar with KDE and linux... 
however in my opinion we need to think of newbies too. 

I search apps on google all the time, some time in youtube to see a demo of 
it.. Searching for selfie will result in all the smartphones, all the different 
selfie related stuff which is currently viral among the masses. 

with old naming structure with a k the advantage was it was never a actual 
english word and was always unique so never had issues with searching.. 

Just my 2 cents

Thanks

Regards
Rajeev
On Saturday, September 19, 2015 03:16:40 PM Eike Hein wrote:
> On 09/19/2015 11:36 AM, rajeev bhatta wrote:
> > Like the name selfie..but it will be nightmare finding the app in google
> > if looking for selfie
> 
> No it won't. People aren't too dumb to add an extra
> keyword. Internet search is a well-developed skill
> for anyone under 30 at this point.
> 
> Plus, why would internet searches be common in the
> first place? I've never searched for KSnapshot. Have
> you?
> 
> 
> Cheers,
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Re: [kde-community] Renaming KScreenGenie

[Eike Hein]

On 09/19/2015 07:32 PM, techie.raj...@yahoo.in wrote:
> I search apps on google all the time, some time in youtube to see a demo of 
> it.. Searching for selfie will result in all the smartphones, all the 
> different 
> selfie related stuff which is currently viral among the masses. 

Yeah. And at that point they add "linux" or "kde" to the
search, if they didn't do it already because they realized
that Selfie by itself is too generic.

But honestly the most likely search pattern would be "kubuntu
how to take screenshot" leading to "run Selfie".

Does a non-generic name save typing in corner scenarios?
Yeah. Is that an issue that seriously compromises the
name? I don't think so. I mean, OS X' screenshot util is
called "Grab" ...


Cheers,
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Re: [kde-community] Renaming KScreenGenie

[Marco Martin]

On Friday 18 September 2015 20:30:32 Eike Hein wrote:
> > Kapture seems to have the most number of votes, so if nothing changes
> > I'll go with that.
> 
> I'd like to object to using Kapture for a number of reasons
> ... apologies for getting involved at this late hour, I was
> on vacation for most of this thread :)
>[...]
> Personally I'm a big fan of the "Selfie" suggestion:
> 
> * It's clever and funny (the computer taking a self-portrait).
> 
> * For those who can't take the word seriously - it also works
>   tongue-in-cheek. It's not a fad, though; a word for the
>   concept was needed, this it it, there won't be another
>   (with the exception of Korea's "selca" for self-camera,
>   perhaps). It's won.

-1 from here too on kapture for the old inject-a-k since it sounds quite 
unprofesisonal.
Selfie sounds nice even tough the first thing i would think about a tool like 
that is that would be a webcam thing like kamoso

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Re: [kde-community] Renaming KScreenGenie

[Boudhayan Gupta]

On 19 September 2015 at 00:00, Eike Hein  wrote:
> I'd like to object to using Kapture for a number of reasons
> ... apologies for getting involved at this late hour, I was
> on vacation for most of this thread :)
>
> * The forcibly-inject-a-K naming scheme used to offer some
>   utility in the form of communicating to users that an
>   application was meant to use in a KDE workspace, and would
>   work well in it. Through various efforts (cross-desktop
>   standardization via freedesktop.org, KDE's porting efforts,
>   even our rebranding exercise) we've moved beyond that in
>   need and spirit, and largely only negatives remain - such
>   as its gimmicky nature and bad reputation. I think the app
>   is great and it would be unfortunate for its rollout to be
>   overshadowed by a reaction to this backwards-oriented
>   name.
>
> * It's not very memorable. Verb-based names don't easily
>   imprint as a thing.
>
> * It doesn't sound pleasant and feels out of character due
>   to many strong consonants and the snap of the first
>   syllable. It doesn't sound approachable or nimble, it
>   sounds serious and heavy-duty. Note these kinds of things
>   transfer to a great degree across language spheres (cf.
>   the Bouba-Kiki effect).
>
>
> Personally I'm a big fan of the "Selfie" suggestion:
>
> * It's clever and funny (the computer taking a self-portrait).
>
> * For those who can't take the word seriously - it also works
>   tongue-in-cheek. It's not a fad, though; a word for the
>   concept was needed, this it it, there won't be another
>   (with the exception of Korea's "selca" for self-camera,
>   perhaps). It's won.
>
> * Selfie is a artifact of globally interconnected culture,
>   it's familiar to many non-English-speakers and not nerdy,
>   while capture is advanced English and fairly technical and
>   unapproachable.
>
> * It's an opportunity to appropriate a mainstream word for
>   our purposes before anyone else really does. Those don't
>   come along that often.
>
> * It sounds pleasant due to weaker consonants and i/e
>   vowels. Cats would like this name. (But admittedly some
>   language spheres can't pronounce f well.)

When I first thought of Selfie, I thought of the following:

* It makes perfect sense (screen taking a self portrait).
* While most other applications and projects take an "appropriate" and
subdued approach to naming their apps, this would be very "with the
times" and culture-appropriate, at this point.
* A fresh jolt from the dreary and monotonous world of coding?

While it is a bit late now (the repository rename was done yesterday),
I'm still in love with the word Selfie (for the above reasons and
more). I'm heavily considering requesting another rename to Selfie.

Are there any strong objections?

Cheers,
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Re: [kde-community] Renaming KScreenGenie

[Eike Hein]

On 09/01/2015 10:08 PM, Boudhayan Gupta wrote:
> Ladies and gentlemen, I'll take a decision on this in the next couple
> of days. As it stands now, Pixie is a universal favourite but we can't
> use it for copyright reasons.
> 
> Kapture seems to have the most number of votes, so if nothing changes
> I'll go with that.


I'd like to object to using Kapture for a number of reasons
... apologies for getting involved at this late hour, I was
on vacation for most of this thread :)

* The forcibly-inject-a-K naming scheme used to offer some
  utility in the form of communicating to users that an
  application was meant to use in a KDE workspace, and would
  work well in it. Through various efforts (cross-desktop
  standardization via freedesktop.org, KDE's porting efforts,
  even our rebranding exercise) we've moved beyond that in
  need and spirit, and largely only negatives remain - such
  as its gimmicky nature and bad reputation. I think the app
  is great and it would be unfortunate for its rollout to be
  overshadowed by a reaction to this backwards-oriented
  name.

* It's not very memorable. Verb-based names don't easily
  imprint as a thing.

* It doesn't sound pleasant and feels out of character due
  to many strong consonants and the snap of the first
  syllable. It doesn't sound approachable or nimble, it
  sounds serious and heavy-duty. Note these kinds of things
  transfer to a great degree across language spheres (cf.
  the Bouba-Kiki effect).


Personally I'm a big fan of the "Selfie" suggestion:

* It's clever and funny (the computer taking a self-portrait).

* For those who can't take the word seriously - it also works
  tongue-in-cheek. It's not a fad, though; a word for the
  concept was needed, this it it, there won't be another
  (with the exception of Korea's "selca" for self-camera,
  perhaps). It's won.

* Selfie is a artifact of globally interconnected culture,
  it's familiar to many non-English-speakers and not nerdy,
  while capture is advanced English and fairly technical and
  unapproachable.

* It's an opportunity to appropriate a mainstream word for
  our purposes before anyone else really does. Those don't
  come along that often.

* It sounds pleasant due to weaker consonants and i/e
  vowels. Cats would like this name. (But admittedly some
  language spheres can't pronounce f well.)


Cheers,
Eike

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Re: [kde-community] Renaming KScreenGenie

[Eike Hein]

On 09/18/2015 08:47 PM, Boudhayan Gupta wrote:
> While it is a bit late now (the repository rename was done yesterday),
> I'm still in love with the word Selfie (for the above reasons and
> more). I'm heavily considering requesting another rename to Selfie.

FWIW I feel bad about causing more sysadmin work too,
but our infrastructure concerns are an implementation
detail we shouldn't expose to users. "Renaming is work"
isn't a good argument to ship with a bad name. Any fix
is work, ever.


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Re: [kde-community] Renaming KScreenGenie

[Carl Symons]

On Saturday, September 19, 2015 12:17:00 AM Boudhayan Gupta wrote:
> On 19 September 2015 at 00:00, Eike Hein  wrote:
> > I'd like to object to using Kapture for a number of reasons
> > ... apologies for getting involved at this late hour, I was
> > on vacation for most of this thread :)
> > 
> > * The forcibly-inject-a-K naming scheme used to offer some
> > 
> >   utility in the form of communicating to users that an
> >   application was meant to use in a KDE workspace, and would
> >   work well in it. Through various efforts (cross-desktop
> >   standardization via freedesktop.org, KDE's porting efforts,
> >   even our rebranding exercise) we've moved beyond that in
> >   need and spirit, and largely only negatives remain - such
> >   as its gimmicky nature and bad reputation. I think the app
> >   is great and it would be unfortunate for its rollout to be
> >   overshadowed by a reaction to this backwards-oriented
> >   name.
> > 
> > * It's not very memorable. Verb-based names don't easily
> > 
> >   imprint as a thing.
> > 
> > * It doesn't sound pleasant and feels out of character due
> > 
> >   to many strong consonants and the snap of the first
> >   syllable. It doesn't sound approachable or nimble, it
> >   sounds serious and heavy-duty. Note these kinds of things
> >   transfer to a great degree across language spheres (cf.
> >   the Bouba-Kiki effect).
> > 
> > Personally I'm a big fan of the "Selfie" suggestion:
> > 
> > * It's clever and funny (the computer taking a self-portrait).
> > 
> > * For those who can't take the word seriously - it also works
> > 
> >   tongue-in-cheek. It's not a fad, though; a word for the
> >   concept was needed, this it it, there won't be another
> >   (with the exception of Korea's "selca" for self-camera,
> >   perhaps). It's won.
> > 
> > * Selfie is a artifact of globally interconnected culture,
> > 
> >   it's familiar to many non-English-speakers and not nerdy,
> >   while capture is advanced English and fairly technical and
> >   unapproachable.
> > 
> > * It's an opportunity to appropriate a mainstream word for
> > 
> >   our purposes before anyone else really does. Those don't
> >   come along that often.
> > 
> > * It sounds pleasant due to weaker consonants and i/e
> > 
> >   vowels. Cats would like this name. (But admittedly some
> >   language spheres can't pronounce f well.)
> 
> When I first thought of Selfie, I thought of the following:
> 
> * It makes perfect sense (screen taking a self portrait).
> * While most other applications and projects take an "appropriate" and
> subdued approach to naming their apps, this would be very "with the
> times" and culture-appropriate, at this point.
> * A fresh jolt from the dreary and monotonous world of coding?
> 
> While it is a bit late now (the repository rename was done yesterday),
> I'm still in love with the word Selfie (for the above reasons and
> more). I'm heavily considering requesting another rename to Selfie.
> 
> Are there any strong objections?
> 
> Cheers,
> Boudhayan

I'm with Eike. Excellent points for using Selfie. Appropriate name for the 
function that it serves.

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Re: [kde-community] Renaming KScreenGenie

[Boudhayan Gupta]

Ladies and gentlemen, I'll take a decision on this in the next couple
of days. As it stands now, Pixie is a universal favourite but we can't
use it for copyright reasons.

Kapture seems to have the most number of votes, so if nothing changes
I'll go with that.

On 31 August 2015 at 22:59, Algot Runeman  wrote:
> On 08/24/2015 08:46 AM, Boudhayan Gupta wrote:
>>
>> So I'll leave this up to the community. I'm currently considering
>> naming it Safelight, with other names I've considered being (in order
>> of preference) Selfie (a screenshot is literally a computer taking a
>> selfie), Iris, Kapture, KScreenshot and Snap.
>
> KScreenshot +1 (Kapture +0.5)
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Re: [kde-community] Renaming KScreenGenie

[Marek Laane]

2015-08-26 18:37 GMT+03:00 Boudhayan Gupta bgu...@kde.org:

 Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner. Pixie it is.

 Aaah, ad fontem :-) Pixie (or Pixie+) was some very-very much time ago,
when there was KDE2, KDE's image viewer/editor ... (see
http://netfrag.org/webnews/article.php?id=1532group=nfo.links.computing)
As of today, probably dead as good. Nice to see the name coming back :-)


On 26 August 2015 at 21:01, Lydia Pintscher ly...@kde.org wrote:
  On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 5:04 PM, Jos van den Oever j...@vandenoever.info
 wrote:
  Pixie
 
  3
 
 
  Cheers
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Re: [kde-community] Renaming KScreenGenie

[Boudhayan Gupta]

On 26 August 2015 at 21:01, Lydia Pintscher ly...@kde.org wrote:
 On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 5:04 PM, Jos van den Oever j...@vandenoever.info 
 wrote:
 Pixie

 3

This throws a spanner in the works:
https://trademarks.justia.com/867/00/pixie-86700104.html

It's a trademark filing by LG Electronics for Pixie. Coupled with the
fact that a couple of other software packages have the Pixie name (or
minor variations thereof), it's looking more and more unlikely that we
can use Pixie as a name.

It's too bad - Pixie is a very cute name.

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Re: [kde-community] Renaming KScreenGenie

[Loïc Grobol]

On 26 August 2015 at 18:23, Boudhayan Gupta bgu...@kde.org wrote:
 This throws a spanner in the works:
 https://trademarks.justia.com/867/00/pixie-86700104.html

 It's a trademark filing by LG Electronics for Pixie. Coupled with the
 fact that a couple of other software packages have the Pixie name (or
 minor variations thereof), it's looking more and more unlikely that we
 can use Pixie as a name.

 It's too bad - Pixie is a very cute name.

 -- Boudhayan
Can still go with [Pictsie](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nac_Mac_Feegle) ;)

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Re: [kde-community] Renaming KScreenGenie

[Loïc Grobol]

On 26 August 2015 at 22:11, Carl Symons carlsym...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 08/26/2015 09:23 AM, Boudhayan Gupta wrote:

 On 26 August 2015 at 21:01, Lydia Pintscher ly...@kde.org wrote:

 On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 5:04 PM, Jos van den Oever j...@vandenoever.info
 wrote:

 Pixie

 3

 This throws a spanner in the works:
 https://trademarks.justia.com/867/00/pixie-86700104.html

 It's a trademark filing by LG Electronics for Pixie. Coupled with the
 fact that a couple of other software packages have the Pixie name (or
 minor variations thereof), it's looking more and more unlikely that we
 can use Pixie as a name.

 It's too bad - Pixie is a very cute name.

 -- Boudhayan

 The Australian term piccy is kinda taken

 pickee

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Or the wiktionary has a list of alternative spellings
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pixie

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Re: [kde-community] Renaming KScreenGenie

[Boudhayan Gupta]

Hi,

 I personally always disliked this choice, since someone called Words a 
 program
 about words. It's like stealing a generic name from common usage.

 That said, I also think that the name should be unique, which means no double
 name in different environment, or it would be complicated.

 My personal vote is for anything but a generic name.

 I'm sharing this exact PoV, so here is another vote against the generic
 name.

I'm not even considering generic names. I couldn't have put the reason
better in words myself than tosky did.

As the votes stand now, the name will probably be Kapture (+3), but
I'm still hoping that someone can suggest a non-K name that's a real
thing (not ScreenGenie or some made up thing; like Dolphin is a real
thing) and that blows everyone's minds away.

What do you guys think about Selfie anyway? I wasn't able to find any
app that was called Selfie, and after the initial cringe, I gave it
some thought and my two cents - I like the edgy, err, youthful,
totally non-enterprise, couldn't give two hoots about corporate
branding vibe that this gives off. And of course, I couldn't say this
enough times, a screenshot is a computer taking a selfie.

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Re: [kde-community] Renaming KScreenGenie

[Martin Klapetek]

On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 10:24 AM, Boudhayan Gupta bgu...@kde.org wrote:


 What do you guys think about Selfie anyway? I wasn't able to find any
 app that was called Selfie, and after the initial cringe, I gave it
 some thought and my two cents - I like the edgy, err, youthful,
 totally non-enterprise, couldn't give two hoots about corporate
 branding vibe that this gives off. And of course, I couldn't say this
 enough times, a screenshot is a computer taking a selfie.


But then selfies are what keeps the current teen generation going.
The easy confusion with a software that takes an actual selife (the
user taking it, ie. his own) is at hand. Software names should not
be confusing.

Besides, thanks to the word getting into pop-culture main-stream
English nowadays, it's as generic as Screenshot is ;)

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Re: [kde-community] Renaming KScreenGenie

[Adriaan de Groot]

On Wednesday 26 August 2015 17:04:15 Jos van den Oever wrote:
  branding vibe that this gives off. And of course, I couldn't say this
  enough times, a screenshot is a computer taking a selfie.
 
 Pixie

DorianGray
Gogh
Joyce

(Too obscure?) Actually, i kinda like pixie.

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Re: [kde-community] Renaming KScreenGenie

[Lydia Pintscher]

On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 5:04 PM, Jos van den Oever j...@vandenoever.info 
wrote:
 Pixie

3


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Re: [kde-community] Renaming KScreenGenie

[Boudewijn Rempt]

On Wed, 26 Aug 2015, Lydia Pintscher wrote:


On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 5:04 PM, Jos van den Oever j...@vandenoever.info 
wrote:

Pixie


3



Would make it possible to get an awesome little mascot done by Tyson :-)



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Re: [kde-community] Renaming KScreenGenie

[Luigi Toscano]

Jaroslaw Staniek ha scritto:
 On 24 August 2015 at 15:53, Martin Klapetek martin.klape...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 9:24 AM, Boudhayan Gupta bgu...@kde.org wrote:

 On 24 August 2015 at 18:45, Martin Klapetek martin.klape...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 KSnapshot2.

 One of the points brought up was that KDE Applications are moving away
 from using a K-prefixed name, so I want to ride that bandwagon.


 My other suggestion would then be Snapshot. Keeps it simple and
 recognizable,
 kinda tied to KSnapshot even, no need for the fancy/cryptic names, I'd say.

 
 +1
 
 If KSnapshot is going to be abandoned why to loose the great privilege
 to use the Snapshot name.

If there are other Snapshot applications around, it's a no-go.

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Re: [kde-community] Renaming KScreenGenie

[Martin Klapetek]

On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 9:24 AM, Boudhayan Gupta bgu...@kde.org wrote:

 On 24 August 2015 at 18:45, Martin Klapetek martin.klape...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  KSnapshot2.

 One of the points brought up was that KDE Applications are moving away
 from using a K-prefixed name, so I want to ride that bandwagon.


My other suggestion would then be Snapshot. Keeps it simple and
recognizable,
kinda tied to KSnapshot even, no need for the fancy/cryptic names, I'd say.

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Re: [kde-community] Renaming KScreenGenie

[Ivan Čukić]

+1 for snapshot

It is a part of Plasma workspace (and possibly other friendly
workspaces), so I don't even see it as a problem if other applications
with the same name exist (the only thing I've checked is that debian
has no package named 'snapshot').

If other projects can take names like Music, etc. i do not see why
this would not be acceptable.


Cheers,
Ivan

On 24 August 2015 at 16:00, Luigi Toscano luigi.tosc...@tiscali.it wrote:
 Jaroslaw Staniek ha scritto:
 On 24 August 2015 at 15:53, Martin Klapetek martin.klape...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 9:24 AM, Boudhayan Gupta bgu...@kde.org wrote:

 On 24 August 2015 at 18:45, Martin Klapetek martin.klape...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 KSnapshot2.

 One of the points brought up was that KDE Applications are moving away
 from using a K-prefixed name, so I want to ride that bandwagon.


 My other suggestion would then be Snapshot. Keeps it simple and
 recognizable,
 kinda tied to KSnapshot even, no need for the fancy/cryptic names, I'd say.


 +1

 If KSnapshot is going to be abandoned why to loose the great privilege
 to use the Snapshot name.

 If there are other Snapshot applications around, it's a no-go.

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Re: [kde-community] Renaming KScreenGenie

[Luigi Toscano]

Ivan Čukić ha scritto:
 +1 for snapshot
 
 It is a part of Plasma workspace (and possibly other friendly
 workspaces), so I don't even see it as a problem if other applications
 with the same name exist (the only thing I've checked is that debian
 has no package named 'snapshot').

It's not part of Plasma (no need to be).

 
 If other projects can take names like Music, etc. i do not see why
 this would not be acceptable.

It does not mean we should follow (I personally don't like that pattern for
names).

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Re: [kde-community] Renaming KScreenGenie

[Boudhayan Gupta]

On 24 August 2015 at 20:17, Carl Symons carlsym...@gmail.com wrote:
 How about Screenshot?

 Snapshot has an established meaning...
 In computer systems, a snapshot is the state of a system at a particular
 point in time.
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapshot_(computer_storage)

Again, Screenshot came up in the discussions last night, but it's too
generic, like Music.

Apparently Safelight is an app on the Mac, as is Iris and Snap (by
Groupon, no less). There's no app called Selfie, but I don't think too
many people like the word Selfie, and Googling Selfie will bring up
actual selfies, not the KDE app. But then again, Selfie makes so much
sense - a screenshot is literally a screen selfie.
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Re: [kde-community] Renaming KScreenGenie

[Ivan Čukić]

When I said part of Plasma, was aiming at KDE workspace, not part of
plasma-* package. I don't believe it will be popular amongst Gnome,
MINT, Elementary, etc. users, right?

Just the same as Gnome Music will not be used by us.

Ch

On 24 August 2015 at 16:45, Luigi Toscano luigi.tosc...@tiscali.it wrote:
 Ivan Čukić ha scritto:
 +1 for snapshot

 It is a part of Plasma workspace (and possibly other friendly
 workspaces), so I don't even see it as a problem if other applications
 with the same name exist (the only thing I've checked is that debian
 has no package named 'snapshot').

 It's not part of Plasma (no need to be).


 If other projects can take names like Music, etc. i do not see why
 this would not be acceptable.

 It does not mean we should follow (I personally don't like that pattern for
 names).

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Re: [kde-community] Renaming KScreenGenie

[Laszlo Papp]

On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 7:48 PM, Ivan Čukić ivan.cu...@kde.org wrote:
 When I said part of Plasma, was aiming at KDE workspace, not part of
 plasma-* package. I don't believe it will be popular amongst Gnome,
 MINT, Elementary, etc. users, right?

KSnapshot was popular for a ratpoison user, me, for instance as I
could not find any better application when I needed more than a
fullscreen shot. For that purpose, I found a command line util, but
not for the rest.

 Just the same as Gnome Music will not be used by us.

I, for one, like some gnome applications. Speaking of the music area,
a good example would be solfege. For me, it matters more that the
application does what I need. I do not mind mixing things for
achieving my goal. I am not a purist.

So my thought is that the wider the software is used, the merrier. I
do not draw borderlines. Therefore, having two applications called the
same way would be confusing for me to refer to as a user. Also, it is
possible that (K)Snapshot gets to mobile one day. I understand that
it would be mostly a rewrite from scratch, but the brand could still
be held.

Perhaps, my email is very confusing, so the summary is that I prefer
individual names, personally. I am still unsure what exactly the
problem was with the original name that the maintainer chose as it is
not yet indicated in this thread. If it does not cause any legal
issues, etc, and it is really just about choices, choices, then I
would suggest to leave the name with the maintainer. After all, he
will maintain that application and so he needs to be happy with the
name.

 Ch

 On 24 August 2015 at 16:45, Luigi Toscano luigi.tosc...@tiscali.it wrote:
 Ivan Čukić ha scritto:
 +1 for snapshot

 It is a part of Plasma workspace (and possibly other friendly
 workspaces), so I don't even see it as a problem if other applications
 with the same name exist (the only thing I've checked is that debian
 has no package named 'snapshot').

 It's not part of Plasma (no need to be).


 If other projects can take names like Music, etc. i do not see why
 this would not be acceptable.

 It does not mean we should follow (I personally don't like that pattern for
 names).

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Re: [kde-community] Renaming KScreenGenie

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El 24/08/15 a las 14:46, Boudhayan Gupta escribió:
 Hi,
 
 Now that KDE Applications 15.08 is out, it's time to move
 KScreenGenie into KDE Graphics and retire KSnapshot.
 
 The plan was to simply rename KScreenGenie to KSnapshot; however, 
 after discussions on IRC people have suggested that given the
 fairly big change (it *is* a completely new codebase, after all), a
 change of name wouldn't be such a bad idea. Also, retiring an
 existing application and renaming a new application to said old
 application would be a nightmare for the sysadmins, as too many
 changes would need to be made, and that for packages on
 download.kde.org, the package name - repository mapping would be
 broken.
 
 A fairly universal sentiment is that no one seems to like
 KScreenGenie as a name (including yours truly).
 
 So I'll leave this up to the community. I'm currently considering 
 naming it Safelight, with other names I've considered being (in
 order of preference) Selfie (a screenshot is literally a computer
 taking a selfie), Iris, Kapture, KScreenshot and Snap.
 
 If anyone wants to upvote any of these choices, please reply to
 this thread. People are welcome to suggest new names too, but too
 many people suggesting new names will quickly degrade to
 bikeshedding, as they say. Use your judgement.
 
 I won't be doing any renaming this week or even next week (a
 bugfix release of KScreenGenie needs to be made), so there's no
 immediate rush.
 
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I like Kapture +1 for that... ;)

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Re: [kde-community] Renaming KScreenGenie

[Jos van den Oever]

On Monday 24 August 2015 13:51:57 Jeremy Whiting wrote:
 I used to use KSnapshot (or whatever the existing application is
 called, all these names going around have me second guessing myself)
 on windows all the time. It works much better than window's print
 screen and paste into MS paint to be able to save the screenshot to
 disk and such. The better it works the more places it will be useful.
 Tying it down to k* or plasma-workspace would be limiting it, so a
 name that's different than any other application would be ideal imo.

That's an awesome story. I had no idea. Might be worth a life hack blog post 
for windows users.

Cheers,
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Re: [kde-community] Renaming KScreenGenie

[Boudhayan Gupta]

I'll +1 Kapture myself

On 25 August 2015 at 02:41, Jeremy Whiting jpwhit...@kde.org wrote:
 Good idea. Only problem is at the end of the blog post I would say to
 do this yourself download kdewin.exe and install the 4 year old
 version of ksnapshot... maybe we could get an updated installer for
 windows of kscreengenie ?

Sad story - KScreenGenie doesn't have a Windows backend yet. Maybe
someone could write one? It's one file, around 6 methods. I don't have
a Windows computer, so I can't write one myself.
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