Re: A safe haven for the community's memories
On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 7:24 PM Piyush Aggarwal wrote: > > Hi Ben, Hi Piyush, > > On Wed, 29 Jan, 2020, 2:42 PM Ben Cooksley, wrote: >> >> On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 5:16 AM Piyush Aggarwal >> wrote: >> > >> > Thanks for taking this discussion forward, Adriaan and Carl. >> > >> > On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 at 14:24, Adriaan de Groot wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, 27 January 2020 07:27:42 CET Piyush Aggarwal wrote: >> >> > > Almost always, photographs, videos and other forms of digital >> >> > > memorabilia >> >> > > are so badly dispersed among the attendees, many of us have barely any >> >> > > photographs from the event. The only way to get the photos we want is >> >> > > by >> >> > > immediately getting the photographs on our phone then and there, >> >> > > during >> >> > > the >> >> > > event. The alternative after the event concludes and everyone is back >> >> > > home >> >> > > safely, is to expect the sender to send the photographs as a mail >> >> > > attachment or some other way that is generally a pain. >> >> > > So, this mail thread aims to initiate a discussion on the prospect of >> >> > > setting up a Kloud, of sorts. >> >> ... >> >> > > The current best solution as far as I know, is https://share.kde.org , >> >> > > which is limited to just 100 MB. >> >> > > Would it be feasible for the KDE Community, especially our sysadmins, >> >> > > to >> >> > > host a server for this purpose? :-) >> >> > > >> >> > > References >> >> > > [1] : https://las2019.bcnfs.org/doku.php?id=wiki:lasphotos >> >> >> >> There was a discussion -- it's a sysadmin ticket, I don't know if it's >> >> readable for all -- at https://phabricator.kde.org/T12026 for a similar >> >> situation with LAS photos. Not the *same*, though, since that was also for >> >> "raw" materials to be shared with video editors and other PR people. >> > >> > >> > I cannot access that task, Adriaan. Perhaps if the task does not include >> > any sensitive content, we can put it on the promo task board for everyone >> > to help us with? :-) >> >> Please note that Sysadmin tasks are shielded by mechanisms that mean >> placing it on another board will not make it accessible to others (so >> adding it to the Promo board will not make it accessible to you) > > > I understand that. I thought the part where this task is opened for everyone > to view was implicit in my earlier statement (if there is no sensitive > content, as I said). I personally think this problem deserves a task of its > own, and the idea to have a task for this on the promo board was not mine > alone, but rather suggested by Paul. > That task was regarding us getting bulk storage support for share.kde.org, mainly to allow for us to handle large amounts of data such as raw video footage. Because this request is different, it should be handled through it's own ticket. We will need to set this up as a separate set of shared folders though, rather than one under the existing Promo hierarchy, as it will need to be on bulk storage rather than the direct local system storage (which is where the existing Promo folder lives) >> >> > Anyways, after some discussions with Paul, I think we have a solution for >> > future events. >> > The Photos folder on share.kde.org currently hosts photographs for Promo >> > sprint (Barcelona,2018), Akademy (Vienna,2018), FOSDEM (Brussels, 2019) >> > and this year's conf.kde.in (Delhi). >> > share.kde.org also has good support in terms of user access control- users >> > can be limited to adding new photographs, but not deleting any already >> > uploaded files. I can confirm this works just as expected. >> > So, the solution proposed here is- we can share read & upload-only >> > permissions to the Photos folder to all KDE identities, and create a new >> > folder per-event. >> > Would that be feasible? >> >> Access to share.kde.org is currently limited to developers and other >> community members. > > > That is true. I believe KDE events make use of events.kde.org and > reimbursements.kde.org infrastructure that both require an identity to be > able to register for an event and/ or ask for any reimbursements > respectively. Does that leave any possible uploaders? There is a distinction for Identity purposes - general users of Identity cannot login to share.kde.org. Only developers have automatic access to share.kde.org. Everyone else needs to apply to Sysadmin (via a ticket) to be given access. As share.kde.org is only really usable if you have access to one of the shared folders, this model has not caused any issues to date (because they have to ask for access to those folders, which is when we give them access if they're not a developer) (This was a decision made to ensure it wasn't abused to distribute material that is illegal / offensive / not in keeping with the values of the community) > > Best > Piyush Aggarwal Cheers, Ben
Re: A safe haven for the community's memories
Hi Ben, On Wed, 29 Jan, 2020, 2:42 PM Ben Cooksley, wrote: > On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 5:16 AM Piyush Aggarwal > wrote: > > > > Thanks for taking this discussion forward, Adriaan and Carl. > > > > On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 at 14:24, Adriaan de Groot wrote: > >> > >> On Monday, 27 January 2020 07:27:42 CET Piyush Aggarwal wrote: > >> > > Almost always, photographs, videos and other forms of digital > memorabilia > >> > > are so badly dispersed among the attendees, many of us have barely > any > >> > > photographs from the event. The only way to get the photos we want > is by > >> > > immediately getting the photographs on our phone then and there, > during > >> > > the > >> > > event. The alternative after the event concludes and everyone is > back home > >> > > safely, is to expect the sender to send the photographs as a mail > >> > > attachment or some other way that is generally a pain. > >> > > So, this mail thread aims to initiate a discussion on the prospect > of > >> > > setting up a Kloud, of sorts. > >> ... > >> > > The current best solution as far as I know, is > https://share.kde.org , > >> > > which is limited to just 100 MB. > >> > > Would it be feasible for the KDE Community, especially our > sysadmins, to > >> > > host a server for this purpose? :-) > >> > > > >> > > References > >> > > [1] : https://las2019.bcnfs.org/doku.php?id=wiki:lasphotos > >> > >> There was a discussion -- it's a sysadmin ticket, I don't know if it's > >> readable for all -- at https://phabricator.kde.org/T12026 for a similar > >> situation with LAS photos. Not the *same*, though, since that was also > for > >> "raw" materials to be shared with video editors and other PR people. > > > > > > I cannot access that task, Adriaan. Perhaps if the task does not include > any sensitive content, we can put it on the promo task board for everyone > to help us with? :-) > > Please note that Sysadmin tasks are shielded by mechanisms that mean > placing it on another board will not make it accessible to others (so > adding it to the Promo board will not make it accessible to you) > I understand that. I thought the part where this task is opened for everyone to view was implicit in my earlier statement (if there is no sensitive content, as I said). I personally think this problem deserves a task of its own, and the idea to have a task for this on the promo board was not mine alone, but rather suggested by Paul. > > Anyways, after some discussions with Paul, I think we have a solution > for future events. > > The Photos folder on share.kde.org currently hosts photographs for > Promo sprint (Barcelona,2018), Akademy (Vienna,2018), FOSDEM (Brussels, > 2019) and this year's conf.kde.in (Delhi). > > share.kde.org also has good support in terms of user access control- > users can be limited to adding new photographs, but not deleting any > already uploaded files. I can confirm this works just as expected. > > So, the solution proposed here is- we can share read & upload-only > permissions to the Photos folder to all KDE identities, and create a new > folder per-event. > > Would that be feasible? > > Access to share.kde.org is currently limited to developers and other > community members. > That is true. I believe KDE events make use of events.kde.org and reimbursements.kde.org infrastructure that both require an identity to be able to register for an event and/ or ask for any reimbursements respectively. Does that leave any possible uploaders? Best Piyush Aggarwal
Re: A safe haven for the community's memories
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 5:16 AM Piyush Aggarwal wrote: > > Thanks for taking this discussion forward, Adriaan and Carl. > > On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 at 14:24, Adriaan de Groot wrote: >> >> On Monday, 27 January 2020 07:27:42 CET Piyush Aggarwal wrote: >> > > Almost always, photographs, videos and other forms of digital memorabilia >> > > are so badly dispersed among the attendees, many of us have barely any >> > > photographs from the event. The only way to get the photos we want is by >> > > immediately getting the photographs on our phone then and there, during >> > > the >> > > event. The alternative after the event concludes and everyone is back >> > > home >> > > safely, is to expect the sender to send the photographs as a mail >> > > attachment or some other way that is generally a pain. >> > > So, this mail thread aims to initiate a discussion on the prospect of >> > > setting up a Kloud, of sorts. >> ... >> > > The current best solution as far as I know, is https://share.kde.org , >> > > which is limited to just 100 MB. >> > > Would it be feasible for the KDE Community, especially our sysadmins, to >> > > host a server for this purpose? :-) >> > > >> > > References >> > > [1] : https://las2019.bcnfs.org/doku.php?id=wiki:lasphotos >> >> There was a discussion -- it's a sysadmin ticket, I don't know if it's >> readable for all -- at https://phabricator.kde.org/T12026 for a similar >> situation with LAS photos. Not the *same*, though, since that was also for >> "raw" materials to be shared with video editors and other PR people. > > > I cannot access that task, Adriaan. Perhaps if the task does not include any > sensitive content, we can put it on the promo task board for everyone to help > us with? :-) Please note that Sysadmin tasks are shielded by mechanisms that mean placing it on another board will not make it accessible to others (so adding it to the Promo board will not make it accessible to you) > Anyways, after some discussions with Paul, I think we have a solution for > future events. > The Photos folder on share.kde.org currently hosts photographs for Promo > sprint (Barcelona,2018), Akademy (Vienna,2018), FOSDEM (Brussels, 2019) and > this year's conf.kde.in (Delhi). > share.kde.org also has good support in terms of user access control- users > can be limited to adding new photographs, but not deleting any already > uploaded files. I can confirm this works just as expected. > So, the solution proposed here is- we can share read & upload-only > permissions to the Photos folder to all KDE identities, and create a new > folder per-event. > Would that be feasible? Access to share.kde.org is currently limited to developers and other community members. > > Best > Piyush Aggarwal Cheers, Ben
Re: A safe haven for the community's memories
Thanks for taking this discussion forward, Adriaan and Carl. On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 at 14:24, Adriaan de Groot wrote: > On Monday, 27 January 2020 07:27:42 CET Piyush Aggarwal wrote: > > > Almost always, photographs, videos and other forms of digital > memorabilia > > > are so badly dispersed among the attendees, many of us have barely any > > > photographs from the event. The only way to get the photos we want is > by > > > immediately getting the photographs on our phone then and there, during > > > the > > > event. The alternative after the event concludes and everyone is back > home > > > safely, is to expect the sender to send the photographs as a mail > > > attachment or some other way that is generally a pain. > > > So, this mail thread aims to initiate a discussion on the prospect of > > > setting up a Kloud, of sorts. > ... > > > The current best solution as far as I know, is https://share.kde.org , > > > which is limited to just 100 MB. > > > Would it be feasible for the KDE Community, especially our sysadmins, > to > > > host a server for this purpose? :-) > > > > > > References > > > [1] : https://las2019.bcnfs.org/doku.php?id=wiki:lasphotos > > There was a discussion -- it's a sysadmin ticket, I don't know if it's > readable for all -- at https://phabricator.kde.org/T12026 for a similar > situation with LAS photos. Not the *same*, though, since that was also for > "raw" materials to be shared with video editors and other PR people. > I cannot access that task, Adriaan. Perhaps if the task does not include any sensitive content, we can put it on the promo task board for everyone to help us with? :-) Anyways, after some discussions with Paul, I think we have a solution for future events. The Photos folder on share.kde.org currently hosts photographs for Promo sprint (Barcelona,2018), Akademy (Vienna,2018), FOSDEM (Brussels, 2019) and this year's conf.kde.in (Delhi). share.kde.org also has good support in terms of user access control- users can be limited to adding new photographs, but not deleting any already uploaded files. I can confirm this works just as expected. So, the solution proposed here is- we can share read & upload-only permissions to the Photos folder to all KDE identities, and create a new folder per-event. Would that be feasible? Best Piyush Aggarwal
Re: A safe haven for the community's memories
Hello Piyush, I would love to see more photos of event collected in a central place. The idea behind having only 100Mb of storage per user is that people don't start using share.kde.org for personal use, instead we can have shared folders accessible for everyone and with a much bigger storage available. So I think we just need a new shared folder where everyone is invited to add their photos from events and for this you need to create a sysadmin request. Cheers, Carl‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ Le lundi, janvier 27, 2020 6:23 AM, Piyush Aggarwal a écrit : > Hello KDE Community > > I love attending community events, and I am pretty sure most of us in the > community can relate to the problem I am about to mention. > > Almost always, photographs, videos and other forms of digital memorabilia are > so badly dispersed among the attendees, many of us have barely any > photographs from the event. The only way to get the photos we want is by > immediately getting the photographs on our phone then and there, during the > event. The alternative after the event concludes and everyone is back home > safely, is to expect the sender to send the photographs as a mail attachment > or some other way that is generally a pain. > So, this mail thread aims to initiate a discussion on the prospect of setting > up a Kloud, of sorts. > > At the recent conf.kde.in 2020 that happened in New Delhi, India, members of > the KDE Community briefly discussed about the advantages of an online, shared > server storage where the community can upload photographs and/ or short > videos of the events graced by the KDE Community. > One good example of this practice is LAS, the Linux App Summit which has a > similar idea implemented [1] to collect photographs from the event. > The current best solution as far as I know, is https://share.kde.org , which > is limited to just 100 MB. > Would it be feasible for the KDE Community, especially our sysadmins, to host > a server for this purpose? :-) > > References > [1] : https://las2019.bcnfs.org/doku.php?id=wiki:lasphotos > > Cheers > Piyush Aggarwal publickey - carl@carlschwan.eu - 0x7F564CB5.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: A safe haven for the community's memories
On Monday, 27 January 2020 07:27:42 CET Piyush Aggarwal wrote: > > Almost always, photographs, videos and other forms of digital memorabilia > > are so badly dispersed among the attendees, many of us have barely any > > photographs from the event. The only way to get the photos we want is by > > immediately getting the photographs on our phone then and there, during > > the > > event. The alternative after the event concludes and everyone is back home > > safely, is to expect the sender to send the photographs as a mail > > attachment or some other way that is generally a pain. > > So, this mail thread aims to initiate a discussion on the prospect of > > setting up a Kloud, of sorts. ... > > The current best solution as far as I know, is https://share.kde.org , > > which is limited to just 100 MB. > > Would it be feasible for the KDE Community, especially our sysadmins, to > > host a server for this purpose? :-) > > > > References > > [1] : https://las2019.bcnfs.org/doku.php?id=wiki:lasphotos There was a discussion -- it's a sysadmin ticket, I don't know if it's readable for all -- at https://phabricator.kde.org/T12026 for a similar situation with LAS photos. Not the *same*, though, since that was also for "raw" materials to be shared with video editors and other PR people. [ade] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: A safe haven for the community's memories
On Monday, 27 January 2020 06:23:02 GMT Piyush Aggarwal wrote: > Hello KDE Community > > I love attending community events, and I am pretty sure most of us in the > community can relate to the problem I am about to mention. > > Almost always, photographs, videos and other forms of digital memorabilia > are so badly dispersed among the attendees, many of us have barely any > photographs from the event. The only way to get the photos we want is by > immediately getting the photographs on our phone then and there, during the > event. The alternative after the event concludes and everyone is back home > safely, is to expect the sender to send the photographs as a mail > attachment or some other way that is generally a pain. > So, this mail thread aims to initiate a discussion on the prospect of > setting up a Kloud, of sorts. > > At the recent conf.kde.in 2020 that happened in New Delhi, India, members > of the KDE Community briefly discussed about the advantages of an online, > shared server storage where the community can upload photographs and/ or > short videos of the events graced by the KDE Community. > One good example of this practice is LAS, the Linux App Summit which has a > similar idea implemented [1] to collect photographs from the event. > The current best solution as far as I know, is https://share.kde.org , > which is limited to just 100 MB. > Would it be feasible for the KDE Community, especially our sysadmins, to > host a server for this purpose? :-) > > References > [1] : https://las2019.bcnfs.org/doku.php?id=wiki:lasphotos > Hi Piyush For Akademy we have been trying to collect peoples public albums of photos for a while https://community.kde.org/Events/Akademy/2010/Pictures ... https://community.kde.org/Akademy/2019/Photos However there has never been a huge uptake by attendees to add their photos which is a shame, of course not everyone would want to It would be interesting to know if having a central KDE place would encourage more people to add theirs. For Akademy we have wondered about that before -- Kenny (Pronouns: he/him)
Re: A safe haven for the community's memories
On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 at 11:53, Piyush Aggarwal wrote: > Hello KDE Community > > I love attending community events, and I am pretty sure most of us in the > community can relate to the problem I am about to mention. > > Almost always, photographs, videos and other forms of digital memorabilia > are so badly dispersed among the attendees, many of us have barely any > photographs from the event. The only way to get the photos we want is by > immediately getting the photographs on our phone then and there, during the > event. The alternative after the event concludes and everyone is back home > safely, is to expect the sender to send the photographs as a mail > attachment or some other way that is generally a pain. > So, this mail thread aims to initiate a discussion on the prospect of > setting up a Kloud, of sorts. > > At the recent conf.kde.in 2020 that happened in New Delhi, India, members > of the KDE Community briefly discussed about the advantages of an online, > shared server storage where the community can upload photographs and/ or > short videos of the events graced by the KDE Community. > One good example of this practice is LAS, the Linux App Summit which has a > similar idea implemented [1] to collect photographs from the event. > The current best solution as far as I know, is https://share.kde.org , > which is limited to just 100 MB. > Would it be feasible for the KDE Community, especially our sysadmins, to > host a server for this purpose? :-) > > References > [1] : https://las2019.bcnfs.org/doku.php?id=wiki:lasphotos > > Cheers > Piyush Aggarwal >
A safe haven for the community's memories
Hello KDE Community I love attending community events, and I am pretty sure most of us in the community can relate to the problem I am about to mention. Almost always, photographs, videos and other forms of digital memorabilia are so badly dispersed among the attendees, many of us have barely any photographs from the event. The only way to get the photos we want is by immediately getting the photographs on our phone then and there, during the event. The alternative after the event concludes and everyone is back home safely, is to expect the sender to send the photographs as a mail attachment or some other way that is generally a pain. So, this mail thread aims to initiate a discussion on the prospect of setting up a Kloud, of sorts. At the recent conf.kde.in 2020 that happened in New Delhi, India, members of the KDE Community briefly discussed about the advantages of an online, shared server storage where the community can upload photographs and/ or short videos of the events graced by the KDE Community. One good example of this practice is LAS, the Linux App Summit which has a similar idea implemented [1] to collect photographs from the event. The current best solution as far as I know, is https://share.kde.org , which is limited to just 100 MB. Would it be feasible for the KDE Community, especially our sysadmins, to host a server for this purpose? :-) References [1] : https://las2019.bcnfs.org/doku.php?id=wiki:lasphotos Cheers Piyush Aggarwal
