Re: [kde-community] Please participate in our survey for input on KDE's Mission
On 28/06/16 23:16, Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: > It looks like especially WikiToLearn, but also Applications are a bit > underrepresented compared to how many people are contributing to them overall. > > I'm now also sending this to the wikitolearn mailing list (yes, I should have > done that before) and hope that we'll get more community members to > participate > in the survey, especially (but not only) applications and WtL contributors. Not exactly what a statistican would call a "randomly sampled poll" though. ;) I trust you are aware of the biasing the amount of participants from the different areas introduces and aim to provide the results of the poll in a form which is transparent with respect to this bias. Greetings, Sven signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
Re: [kde-community] Please participate in our survey for input on KDE's Mission
On 28.06.2016 23:50, Sven Brauch wrote: On 28/06/16 23:16, Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: It looks like especially WikiToLearn, but also Applications are a bit underrepresented compared to how many people are contributing to them overall. I'm now also sending this to the wikitolearn mailing list (yes, I should have done that before) and hope that we'll get more community members to participate in the survey, especially (but not only) applications and WtL contributors. Not exactly what a statistican would call a "randomly sampled poll" though. ;) I trust you are aware of the biasing the amount of participants from the different areas introduces and aim to provide the results of the poll in a form which is transparent with respect to this bias. Actually, the goal in this case would not be a random sample, but a full census, which unfortunately won't be possible, though. A truly random sample is not possible either, however, because the overall population is too small for random sampling to work properly and the participation was self-selected. Neither is a stratified sample, because we don't even know the size of either the complete population nor the sub-groups. Note that "Invite everyone and see who participates" is not random sampling, either. It is biased by who decides to participate, but also by who actually receives the invitation. For WikiToLearn, for example, the problem is that many of them are probably not subscribed to any of the lists I sent the original invitation to (although it would be great if all of them could subscribe to kde-community), which introduces a bias by itself. The only true random sampling would be if I had a list of _everyone_ in the community, would select a sample at random from that, and then _forced_ everyone in the sample to participate and not allowed anyone else to do so. Therefore, a statistically valid survey is not possible in this case. Which is not too big a problem, however, because we're not doing market or scientific research here. The only purpose of this survey was to get input from more than the handful of people who had been discussing on the mailing list get a feeling for what the majority might think. The survey is not binding in any way. In the end, it will be the same as always in KDE: Who does the work, decides. I just wanted us to decide based on more than our own personal opinions. Of course I will offer an analysis split by the contribution areas. However, 11 people are a very small sample, and we could do much better there given the size of the WtL community. The sub-sample for Applications is clearly big enough to do statistics on them, it just felt to me that there must be far more people contributing to KDE applications than took the survey so far, so I wanted to invite them specifically as well. I hope this clarified things a bit. Cheers, Thomas ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
Re: [kde-community] Please participate in our survey for input on KDE's Mission
On 28.06.2016 22:53, Alexander Neundorf wrote: Hi Thomas, On Thursday 16 June 2016 12:02:48 Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: Dear fellow KDE contributors, as already hinted at in the article about KDE's Vision [1], the next step in setting our path into the future is defining KDE's Mission statement. Right after our Vision was published, a group of people started drafting a Mission statement and discussing it on the kde-community mailing list. While we agreed on most aspects of the Mission, it became obvious that on some key issues, we just had quite different individual opinions. Even if an individual opinion prevailed in our discussion, we would not know whether that opinion was shared by the majority of the KDE community. This is a problem, because especially in a volunteer-driven community where a Mission cannot be enforced from the top down, it can only have a practical effect if the majority of those doing the work agree with it. However it became obvious that not that many KDE contributors both had the time and were comfortable with contributing to the discussion on the mailing list. Therefore, in order to still be able to find out what the majority of the community considers the right approach towards our Vision, we set up an online survey, hoping that this would make it easier for people to voice their opinion in an easy, anonymous way. Since we always focus on our users, we are also interested in the opinion of interested users, so we opened up the survey for everyone. So, please Participate in our survey: http://survey.kde.org/index.php/858172/lang-en It should not take more than 5-10 minutes and providing your input on what KDE should do will help us move towards our Vision! Thank you, Thomas and the KDE Mission team how long do you want to leave the survey actually open ? Alex Hi Alex, thank you for reminding me of that email I've been wanting to write. We have currently 1250 complete responses, which is great! The problem is, however, that only 145 of those are actually from KDE contributors. Those 145 are contributing to these projects (it was a multiple selection question, so the numbers add up to more than 145): Plasma: 45 Applications99 Frameworks 41 WikiToLearn 11 Meta (sysadmin, web, ...) 35 It looks like especially WikiToLearn, but also Applications are a bit underrepresented compared to how many people are contributing to them overall. I'm now also sending this to the wikitolearn mailing list (yes, I should have done that before) and hope that we'll get more community members to participate in the survey, especially (but not only) applications and WtL contributors. It's great to get so much feedback from our users, but the main target audience for the survey was the community. I will leave the survey (still under http://survey.kde.org/index.php/858172/lang-en ) open until Friday night to give those reading this a chance to participate, then I will analyze the results. So please everyone who has not participated yet, take this chance to express where you want to see KDE go! Thanks, Thomas ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
Re: [kde-community] Please participate in our survey for input on KDE's Mission
Hi Thomas, On Thursday 16 June 2016 12:02:48 Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: > Dear fellow KDE contributors, > as already hinted at in the article about KDE's Vision [1], the next step in > setting our path into the future is defining KDE's Mission statement. Right > after our Vision was published, a group of people started drafting a > Mission statement and discussing it on the kde-community mailing list. > > While we agreed on most aspects of the Mission, it became obvious that on > some key issues, we just had quite different individual opinions. Even if > an individual opinion prevailed in our discussion, we would not know > whether that opinion was shared by the majority of the KDE community. This > is a problem, because especially in a volunteer-driven community where a > Mission cannot be enforced from the top down, it can only have a practical > effect if the majority of those doing the work agree with it. However it > became obvious that not that many KDE contributors both had the time and > were comfortable with contributing to the discussion on the mailing list. > > Therefore, in order to still be able to find out what the majority of the > community considers the right approach towards our Vision, we set up an > online survey, hoping that this would make it easier for people to voice > their opinion in an easy, anonymous way. Since we always focus on our > users, we are also interested in the opinion of interested users, so we > opened up the survey for everyone. > > So, please Participate in our survey: > > http://survey.kde.org/index.php/858172/lang-en > > It should not take more than 5-10 minutes and providing your input on what > KDE should do will help us move towards our Vision! > > Thank you, > Thomas and the KDE Mission team how long do you want to leave the survey actually open ? Alex ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
