Re: [Kde-bindings] A new attempt on PyKDE5 binding generation

[Albert Astals Cid]

El dijous, 31 de març de 2016, a les 23:04:07 CEST, Shaheed Haque va escriure:
> Thanks for all the feedback. Here is what I am thinking:
> 
> - The basic tooling might as well keep the PyKDE5 name because the
> tool is intended to be used KDE-wide. And the repo name for the tool
> is pykde5. This should not be a problem because nobody outside dev
> should see this tool. (Plus, I have little enough time as it is, and I
> have no desire to waste it on admin changes to git).

There is nothing called KDE5, do not call it PyKDE5, doesn't matter that it is 
dev oriented, it's still a wrong name.

Cheers,
  Albert

> 
> - In pykde5.git, the /sip folder presently contains the few
> twine2-generated and (presumably) hand-tweaked SIP files that pre-date
> the current effort. I propose to create /sip/KF5 tree based on using
> the tool to generate the KF5 support. The SIP compiled results from
> this would presumably be packaged/branded "PyKF5" as suggested.
> 
> - Once I cleanly separate out the rules-engine and make the driver
> code a bit more generic, each non-KF5 (KDE) project that wants to
> build its own bindings could either add itself to /sip/ in
> pykde5.git, or consider pykde5.git as an input, and roll-its-own SIP
> structure in its repo.
> 
> Also, by way of an update, I'm making steady progress. From the set of
> files that libkf5.*-dev pulls down on Ubuntu wily, I get 1733 sip
> files with less than 200 parsing errors to work through.
> 
> On 29 March 2016 at 09:01, Luca Beltrame  wrote:
> > Il Sat, 26 Mar 2016 22:30:18 +, Shaheed Haque ha scritto:
> > 
> > Hey Shaheed,
> > 
> >> about 800 lines of Python code [2] which can already create 684 .sip
> >> files [3].
> > 
> > As someone who occasionally worked on PyKDE4 I can say this is nothing
> > short of awesome!
> > 
> >> whatever. If anybody can actually explain, that would be great. In any
> >> event, I am hopeful that the structure of the rules engine [4] will make
> > 
> > Given that documentation is non-existent, I would say go with your gut
> > feeling. We start from a clean slate, let's do these things "properly"
> > from the start.
> > 
> >> Anyway, comments - and help - welcome, especially on #1, #4 and #5 as I
> >> intend to focus on #2 and #3 first.
> > 
> > As others have mentioned, having a rename to PyKF5 (because, like the
> > original PyKDE4 focused on kdelibs, I would argue we'd target all the
> > Frameworks in the long run) would probably be warranted once things are up
> > to speed.
> > 
> > I wonder if we can get the CI system to test these things once they're
> > working, that would also help reduce regressions / breakages.
> > 
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Re: remove khelpcenter from next Plasma release?

[Sebastian Kügler]

Hi Yuri,

On Wednesday, March 09, 2016 06:37:09 PM Yuri Chornoivan wrote:
> Yes. That's what I meant.
> 
> But generally, I cannot say that I like the way the things are going. The  
> UserBase project does not have significant updates on applications pages  
> (although it was claimed that users are willing to write docs online),  
> there is a trend to sweep docs under the carpet, move them online, cut off  
> docs from applications, compile and package without docs, release without
> docs at all. That's not pretty and fair.
> 
> Sorry for being too rough. Please forgive me.

Being rough is fine, as long as you're also specific and constructive. You're 
not, so your being rough is just a useless rant, not something anybody can 
really work with.

How about you point out concrete problems and solutions for them? Most of us 
are not here for listening to rants, but want to actually improve something. 
Don't poison the atmosphere for those people.

The effect of your email (having written docs quite extensively in the past 
year) is that you're generalizing way too much, to the point I feel offended 
(and stupid for doing the unrecognized work in the first place).

Cheers,
-- 
sebas

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