Re: Re: [kde-community] Sprint: Reorganize the wikis

[Olivier Churlaud]

Hi,

It seems that the registrations are closed. I read an email reading that 
it wasn't possible to be more than 40.


If you *really* want to join, try to get in touch with Riccardo 
Iaconnelli. You might find his mail address in the previous posts of 
this thread.


Cheers
Olivier


Le 20/12/2015 09:24, Ovidiu-Florin BOGDAN a écrit :


I cannot find how to register to the sprint.

The page https://sprints.kde.org/sprint/291 has no participate button.

If I go to https://sprints.kde.org/sprint/participate, this page does 
not reffer to any sprint in particular, it's a form that does not 
register anything. IMO this page should not be accessible. It's 
missing the sprint ID.


I've tried adding the sprint ID manually, but then it just redirects 
me to the sprint page, so I can't register.


What should I do? --

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Re: Re: [kde-community] Sprint: Reorganize the wikis

[Olivier Churlaud]

Hi,

If you attend it remotely, no need to register. Just remember the date, 
and ping me (or try on #kde-devel to find one of us) and just take part :)*


Anyway, it seems that registering is not possible anymore.

I'll give more information about our task after the Xmas (Like a forum 
link to discuss and prepare the work, and so on).


Cheers,
Olivier

Le 19/12/2015 13:25, Harshit Dwivedi a écrit :

Hey Olivier.
If I am attending remotely, do I still need to register?
Cheers,
Harshit.

On Sat, Dec 19, 2015, 5:48 PM Olivier Churlaud > wrote:


Hi,

I'll be glad that you join. However Riccardo asked us already some
ID informations needed by CERN...
So I would wait for his answer to be sure. If it's not possible
you still can take part remotely.

You can nevertheless register in the meantime. (see link below)

I posted here all the informations about the sprint (links,
directions,..):

http://blogs.churlaud.com/somefoobar/2015/12/11/kde-sprint-to-reorganize-the-wikis-at-cern/

Cheers

Olivier


Le 19/12/2015 09:18, Ovidiu-Florin BOGDAN a écrit :


În ziua de Wednesday 09 December 2015, la 21:40:50, Olivier
Churlaud a scris:

> So joining in CERN would be easier.

>

> I have several small questions:

>

> - In https://sprints.kde.org/sprint/participate what should we
check?

> WikiToLearn?

>

Hello,

I'm also very interested in this. I think that we should also
work on making pages easier to find, like having them in a search
engine, or have them indexed by Google. I think we already have
this, but it could use some improvement.

Has the date been decided? Will it take place together with the
WTL sprint at CERN?

Regards, --

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Re: [kde-community] Sprint: Reorganize the wikis

[Ovidiu-Florin BOGDAN]

I cannot find how to register to the sprint.

The page https://sprints.kde.org/sprint/291[1] has no participate button.
If I go to https://sprints.kde.org/sprint/participate[2], this page does not 
reffer to any sprint in particular, it's a form that does not register 
anything. IMO this page should not be accessible. It's missing the sprint ID.
I've tried adding the sprint ID manually, but then it just redirects me to the 
sprint page, so I can't register.

What should I do?--
*Ovidiu-Florin Bogdan*
GeekAliens.com[3]
Kubuntu Romania Representative[4]
_Kubuntu Council Member_


[1] https://sprints.kde.org/sprint/291
[2] https://sprints.kde.org/sprint/participate
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Re: [kde-community] Sprint: Reorganize the wikis

[Harshit Dwivedi]

Hey Olivier.
If I am attending remotely, do I still need to register?
Cheers,
Harshit.

On Sat, Dec 19, 2015, 5:48 PM Olivier Churlaud  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'll be glad that you join. However Riccardo asked us already some ID
> informations needed by CERN...
> So I would wait for his answer to be sure. If it's not possible you still
> can take part remotely.
>
> You can nevertheless register in the meantime. (see link below)
>
> I posted here all the informations about the sprint (links,
> directions,..):
>
> http://blogs.churlaud.com/somefoobar/2015/12/11/kde-sprint-to-reorganize-the-wikis-at-cern/
>
> Cheers
>
> Olivier
>
>
> Le 19/12/2015 09:18, Ovidiu-Florin BOGDAN a écrit :
>
> În ziua de Wednesday 09 December 2015, la 21:40:50, Olivier Churlaud a
> scris:
>
> > So joining in CERN would be easier.
>
> >
>
> > I have several small questions:
>
> >
>
> > - In https://sprints.kde.org/sprint/participate what should we check?
>
> > WikiToLearn?
>
> >
>
> Hello,
>
>
>
> I'm also very interested in this. I think that we should also work on
> making pages easier to find, like having them in a search engine, or have
> them indexed by Google. I think we already have this, but it could use some
> improvement.
>
>
>
> Has the date been decided? Will it take place together with the WTL sprint
> at CERN?
>
>
>
> Regards, --
>
> Ovidiu-Florin Bogdan
>
> GeekAliens.com 
>
> Kubuntu Romania Representative 
>
> Kubuntu Council Member 
>
>
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Re: Re: [kde-community] Sprint: Reorganize the wikis

[Olivier Churlaud]

Hi,

I'll be glad that you join. However Riccardo asked us already some ID 
informations needed by CERN...
So I would wait for his answer to be sure. If it's not possible you 
still can take part remotely.


You can nevertheless register in the meantime. (see link below)

I posted here all the informations about the sprint (links, directions,..):
http://blogs.churlaud.com/somefoobar/2015/12/11/kde-sprint-to-reorganize-the-wikis-at-cern/

Cheers
Olivier

Le 19/12/2015 09:18, Ovidiu-Florin BOGDAN a écrit :


În ziua de Wednesday 09 December 2015, la 21:40:50, Olivier Churlaud a 
scris:


> So joining in CERN would be easier.

>

> I have several small questions:

>

> - In https://sprints.kde.org/sprint/participate what should we check?

> WikiToLearn?

>

Hello,

I'm also very interested in this. I think that we should also work on 
making pages easier to find, like having them in a search engine, or 
have them indexed by Google. I think we already have this, but it 
could use some improvement.


Has the date been decided? Will it take place together with the WTL 
sprint at CERN?


Regards, --

Ovidiu-Florin Bogdan

GeekAliens.com 

Kubuntu Romania Representative 

Kubuntu Council Member 




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Re: [kde-community] Sprint: Reorganize the wikis

[Ovidiu-Florin BOGDAN]

În ziua de Wednesday 09 December 2015, la 21:40:50, Olivier Churlaud a scris:
> So joining in CERN would be easier.
>
> I have several small questions:
>
> - In https://sprints.kde.org/sprint/participate what should we check?
> WikiToLearn?
>
Hello,

I'm also very interested in this. I think that we should also work on making 
pages easier to find, like having them in a search engine, or have them indexed 
by Google. I think we already have this, but it could use some improvement.

Has the date been decided? Will it take place together with the WTL sprint at 
CERN?

Regards,--
*Ovidiu-Florin Bogdan*
GeekAliens.com[1]
Kubuntu Romania Representative[2]
_Kubuntu Council Member_


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Re: [kde-community] Sprint: Reorganize the wikis

[Riccardo Iaconelli]

On Thursday, December 10, 2015 02:53:25 PM Varun Joshi wrote:
> Hi,
> If there's any way I could help, I'd like to participate (remotely) too!

We'll post updates and definitely make sure you guys are involved! :-)
ping me if we're too silent!

-Riccardo



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Re: [kde-community] Sprint: Reorganize the wikis

[Riccardo Iaconelli]

On Thursday, December 10, 2015 12:35:18 AM Harshit Dwivedi wrote:
> Hey guys,
> I had a look at the conversation and would be glad to help you guys on this.
> Though I won't be able to participate in a sprint physically (unless you
> guys are having it here in India :p), but I will be helping you remotely.

still great :-) we'll manage to have some remote tasks going!

Bye,
-Riccardo



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Re: [kde-community] Sprint: Reorganize the wikis

[Varun Joshi]

Hi,
If there's any way I could help, I'd like to participate (remotely) too!

Regards,
Varun Joshi

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Re: Sprint: Reorganize the wikis

[Olivier Churlaud]

Le 10/12/2015 00:58, kde-community-requ...@kde.org a écrit :
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 20:17:02 +0100 From: Aleix Pol 
 To: kde-devel@kde.org Cc: informing about and 
discussing non-technical community topics , 
KDE-www KDE  Subject: Re: [kde-community] Sprint: 
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 7:57 
PM, Olivier Churlaud  wrote:

>Hi,
>
>Le 09/12/2015 19:45, Riccardo Iaconelli a écrit :

>>
>>On Monday, December 07, 2015 01:11:22 PM Olivier Churlaud wrote:

>>>
>>>So should I create a doodle? Or open a forum and put the link here? And
>>>how do we organize the discussion ahead to plan everything? Forum or ML?
>>>
>>>How much time ahead should it be prepared? I mean: what is reasonable
>>>for a sprint time? I'm currently in Berlin, and I know that a lot of
>>>contributors are there, so why not? However if we can join the people in
>>>CERN, it's great too (even better :D).

>>
>>Hi!
>>as organizer of the sprint you're mentioning, I am stepping in and joining
>>the
>>conversation!:-)
>>
>>Since you're talking of wikis, of course we'd be glad to have you with us!
>>We
>>can also add WikiToLearn to the discussion, to figure out e.g. wheteher
>>the
>>KDE book should be hosted there (IMHO, yes). Just make sure to book your
>>presence soon, so we can do the hostel booking.

>
>
>This is awesome news!
>
>Do we directly register on the sprint or do we do a doodle to first know how
>many we will be?
>I'm eager to take part of this. Since the date is already fixed, the place
>already found, it's way more easy.
>
>Let us know, and tell me if I can put something on planet.kde.org about
>this.

>>
>>
>>Now, just out of curiosity, what particle accelerator are you working at?

>
>
>BESSY II (Helmholtz-Zentrum). I'm just a Studentliche Hilfkraft (the
>translation must be student job) and writing there my Master Thesis.

I added a Wiki section so people can join it as such.

Aleix


It seems that it didn't work: I can't see it in the selection. I only 
have Plasma/VDG Promo/KDE Edu/Plasma.


Cheers,
Olivier


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Re: [kde-community] Sprint: Reorganize the wikis

[Aleix Pol]

On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 9:40 PM, Olivier Churlaud  wrote:
> So joining in CERN would be easier.
>
> I have several small questions:
>
> - In https://sprints.kde.org/sprint/participate what should we check?
> WikiToLearn?
>
> - Could you tell us where we should arrive? I found this link:
> http://home.cern/directions
>
> - How much would cost the accommodation?
>
> Then if everything is fine, I'll send a clear informative message on the 3
> ML to give the details and I'll post the info on planetkde.
>
> Looking forward for the confirmations
>
> Cheers,
> Olivier
>
> Le 09/12/2015 19:45, Riccardo Iaconelli a écrit :
>>
>> On Monday, December 07, 2015 01:11:22 PM Olivier Churlaud wrote:
>>>
>>> So should I create a doodle? Or open a forum and put the link here? And
>>> how do we organize the discussion ahead to plan everything? Forum or ML?
>>>
>>> How much time ahead should it be prepared? I mean: what is reasonable
>>> for a sprint time? I'm currently in Berlin, and I know that a lot of
>>> contributors are there, so why not? However if we can join the people in
>>> CERN, it's great too (even better :D).
>>
>> Hi!
>> as organizer of the sprint you're mentioning, I am stepping in and joining
>> the
>> conversation! :-)
>>
>> Since you're talking of wikis, of course we'd be glad to have you with us!
>> We
>> can also add WikiToLearn to the discussion, to figure out e.g. wheteher
>> the
>> KDE book should be hosted there (IMHO, yes). Just make sure to book your
>> presence soon, so we can do the hostel booking.
>>
>> Now, just out of curiosity, what particle accelerator are you working at?
>>
>> Bye,
>> -Riccardo

We need to first request the budget and have the Board to approve it,
but KDE eV sponsors sprints both the trip and hosting.

Aleix

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Re: [kde-community] Sprint: Reorganize the wikis

[Olivier Churlaud]

So joining in CERN would be easier.

I have several small questions:

- In https://sprints.kde.org/sprint/participate what should we check? 
WikiToLearn?


- Could you tell us where we should arrive? I found this link: 
http://home.cern/directions


- How much would cost the accommodation?

Then if everything is fine, I'll send a clear informative message on the 
3 ML to give the details and I'll post the info on planetkde.


Looking forward for the confirmations

Cheers,
Olivier

Le 09/12/2015 19:45, Riccardo Iaconelli a écrit :

On Monday, December 07, 2015 01:11:22 PM Olivier Churlaud wrote:

So should I create a doodle? Or open a forum and put the link here? And
how do we organize the discussion ahead to plan everything? Forum or ML?

How much time ahead should it be prepared? I mean: what is reasonable
for a sprint time? I'm currently in Berlin, and I know that a lot of
contributors are there, so why not? However if we can join the people in
CERN, it's great too (even better :D).

Hi!
as organizer of the sprint you're mentioning, I am stepping in and joining the
conversation! :-)

Since you're talking of wikis, of course we'd be glad to have you with us! We
can also add WikiToLearn to the discussion, to figure out e.g. wheteher the
KDE book should be hosted there (IMHO, yes). Just make sure to book your
presence soon, so we can do the hostel booking.

Now, just out of curiosity, what particle accelerator are you working at?

Bye,
-Riccardo





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Re: [kde-community] Sprint: Reorganize the wikis

[Aleix Pol]

On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 7:57 PM, Olivier Churlaud  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Le 09/12/2015 19:45, Riccardo Iaconelli a écrit :
>>
>> On Monday, December 07, 2015 01:11:22 PM Olivier Churlaud wrote:
>>>
>>> So should I create a doodle? Or open a forum and put the link here? And
>>> how do we organize the discussion ahead to plan everything? Forum or ML?
>>>
>>> How much time ahead should it be prepared? I mean: what is reasonable
>>> for a sprint time? I'm currently in Berlin, and I know that a lot of
>>> contributors are there, so why not? However if we can join the people in
>>> CERN, it's great too (even better :D).
>>
>> Hi!
>> as organizer of the sprint you're mentioning, I am stepping in and joining
>> the
>> conversation! :-)
>>
>> Since you're talking of wikis, of course we'd be glad to have you with us!
>> We
>> can also add WikiToLearn to the discussion, to figure out e.g. wheteher
>> the
>> KDE book should be hosted there (IMHO, yes). Just make sure to book your
>> presence soon, so we can do the hostel booking.
>
>
> This is awesome news!
>
> Do we directly register on the sprint or do we do a doodle to first know how
> many we will be?
> I'm eager to take part of this. Since the date is already fixed, the place
> already found, it's way more easy.
>
> Let us know, and tell me if I can put something on planet.kde.org about
> this.
>>
>>
>> Now, just out of curiosity, what particle accelerator are you working at?
>
>
> BESSY II (Helmholtz-Zentrum). I'm just a Studentliche Hilfkraft (the
> translation must be student job) and writing there my Master Thesis.

I added a Wiki section so people can join it as such.

Aleix

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Re: [kde-community] Sprint: Reorganize the wikis

[Harshit Dwivedi]

Hey guys,
I had a look at the conversation and would be glad to help you guys on this.
Though I won't be able to participate in a sprint physically (unless you
guys are having it here in India :p), but I will be helping you remotely.

Cheers,
Harshit.

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Re: [kde-community] Sprint: Reorganize the wikis

[Olivier Churlaud]

Hi,

Le 09/12/2015 19:45, Riccardo Iaconelli a écrit :

On Monday, December 07, 2015 01:11:22 PM Olivier Churlaud wrote:

So should I create a doodle? Or open a forum and put the link here? And
how do we organize the discussion ahead to plan everything? Forum or ML?

How much time ahead should it be prepared? I mean: what is reasonable
for a sprint time? I'm currently in Berlin, and I know that a lot of
contributors are there, so why not? However if we can join the people in
CERN, it's great too (even better :D).

Hi!
as organizer of the sprint you're mentioning, I am stepping in and joining the
conversation! :-)

Since you're talking of wikis, of course we'd be glad to have you with us! We
can also add WikiToLearn to the discussion, to figure out e.g. wheteher the
KDE book should be hosted there (IMHO, yes). Just make sure to book your
presence soon, so we can do the hostel booking.


This is awesome news!

Do we directly register on the sprint or do we do a doodle to first know 
how many we will be?
I'm eager to take part of this. Since the date is already fixed, the 
place already found, it's way more easy.


Let us know, and tell me if I can put something on planet.kde.org about 
this.


Now, just out of curiosity, what particle accelerator are you working at?


BESSY II (Helmholtz-Zentrum). I'm just a Studentliche Hilfkraft (the 
translation must be student job) and writting there my Master Thesis.


Cheers,
Olivier


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Re: [kde-community] Sprint: Reorganize the wikis

[Riccardo Iaconelli]

On Monday, December 07, 2015 01:11:22 PM Olivier Churlaud wrote:
> So should I create a doodle? Or open a forum and put the link here? And 
> how do we organize the discussion ahead to plan everything? Forum or ML?
> 
> How much time ahead should it be prepared? I mean: what is reasonable 
> for a sprint time? I'm currently in Berlin, and I know that a lot of 
> contributors are there, so why not? However if we can join the people in 
> CERN, it's great too (even better :D).

Hi!
as organizer of the sprint you're mentioning, I am stepping in and joining the 
conversation! :-)

Since you're talking of wikis, of course we'd be glad to have you with us! We 
can also add WikiToLearn to the discussion, to figure out e.g. wheteher the 
KDE book should be hosted there (IMHO, yes). Just make sure to book your 
presence soon, so we can do the hostel booking.

Now, just out of curiosity, what particle accelerator are you working at?

Bye,
-Riccardo


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Re: [kde-community] Sprint: Reorganize the wikis

[Valorie Zimmerman]

On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 4:11 AM, Olivier Churlaud  wrote:
> So I answer to all :)
>
> Le 07/12/2015 01:20, Valorie Zimmerman a écrit :
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Olivier Churlaud 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I however would need help...
>>>
>>> I've never organized nor taken part of a sprint... So I would be glad to
>>> get some pieces of advice to do it.
>>>
>>> @Valorie: I heared that you'd been here for some time and that you're one of
>>> the community manager (?). Maybe you are the good person to help me on this?
>>
>> To get a sprint going for KDE, you've done the first step: ask folks
>> if there is an interest. Next, people sometimes set up a Doodle poll
>> or similar, or just choose a date and place. When the date and place
>> have been decided, put it into https://sprints.kde.org and get
>> everbody signed up *with numbers* so you can ask the e.V. board for
>> funding. I'm adding back in the www list and also the community list,
>> because I think this is both important and will draw lots of
>> volunteers.
>
> So should I create a doodle? Or open a forum and put the link here? And how
> do we organize the discussion ahead to plan everything? Forum or ML?

That depends on you, and the participants. If you have a date and
place in mind, then just announce it. If not, asking for input via
Doodle, and/or lists and forums is a good idea.

> How much time ahead should it be prepared? I mean: what is reasonable for a
> sprint time? I'm currently in Berlin, and I know that a lot of contributors
> are there, so why not? However if we can join the people in CERN, it's great
> too (even better :D).

Unless everyone or nearly everyone is local, at least a couple of
months is good. Often "piggybacking" on another event is good too,
such as a sprint before or after FOSDEM or another widely-attended
event. If there is nothing suitable, then just go it alone.

>>> Anyone with some experience in this is welcome to give me some hints
>>> about where to begin, what should be thought of and so on.

By the way, you HAVE begun. You have brought up the idea, and have
some buy-in. So we are on the way already. :-)

>> One thing to think of -- if you have only a few folks, someone's house
>> will work. For larger groups, a school or hotel is better, in a city
>> where transport in and out is easy, for those who have to travel by
>> air, auto, bus or train. If it is scheduled on a weekend, some
>> KDE-friendly business may be willing to donate their conference rooms
>> for the sprint days, for instance. This has worked well often in
>> Barcelona, in Brno, in Berlin for instance. Recently CERN has offered
>> space in Geneva -- can we join in this sprint with WikitoLearn?
>
> As I said, CERN would be great. Else I'm working in a place which uses KDE a
> lot (another particle accelerator in Berlin). If we are enough people, maybe
> I can try to get a room there.
>
> Ok there were a lot of questions :)
>
> Looking forward for your inputs!
> Olivier
>>
>> Naturally this could fit into the Randa meetings too, but those are
>> many months away now.
>>
>> Valorie
>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Olivier
>>>
>>>
>>> Le 05/12/2015 22:45, Valorie Zimmerman a écrit :

 On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 3:10 PM, Olivier Churlaud 
 wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm coming here with this observation: the wiki are quite a mess. And
> very often KDE4 and KF5 things are mixed.
> That everyone do it at their scale is impossible. That's why I have a
> proposition. (I've thought about it for a while)
>
> It would be easier to do this like in a sprint, in team.
>
> 1) Define what structure the wiki should have: What is techbase? What is
> Community? Are the manuals in Userbase or on doc? and so on
> 2) then take each page and order =Archive KDE4 | Mess | KF5 | To remove
>
> 3) Do a list of what is missing and what should be tidied.
> 4) Write to the corresponding teams so that they take care of it.
> 5) Remove what should be
>
> What I mean in 2) is: for example there are N pages about how to configure
> Git. We take the good one, put the other in a namespace "To remove"
>
> What I mean in 4) is: for example in https://community.kde.org/Sonnet,
> it's very old, and not much documented (sorry if some of you are reading
> this, I pick it randomly), so we can put a mail on the ML and tell them 
> 'well
> we saw that...'
>
> Basically this is my vision of what could be done.
>
> Since I don't always know what is old what is still usable and so on,
> people with this knowledge would be required.
>
> I think we should plan it very carefully, to have a battle plan, and then 
> go.
>
> What do you think?
> Would people be interested to give a hand?
> How and when do we begin?
>
 Cheers
> Olivier

 Sounds good to me! And I certainly would be willing to help, whether
 remotely or at a physica

Re: Re: Re: Sprint: Reorganize the wikis

[Olivier Churlaud]

So I answer to all :)

Le 07/12/2015 01:20, Valorie Zimmerman a écrit :

On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Olivier Churlaud  wrote:

Hi,

I however would need help...

I've never organized nor taken part of a sprint... So I would be glad to get
some pieces of advice to do it.

@Valorie: I heared that you'd been here for some time and that you're one of
the community manager (?). Maybe you are the good person to help me on this?

To get a sprint going for KDE, you've done the first step: ask folks
if there is an interest. Next, people sometimes set up a Doodle poll
or similar, or just choose a date and place. When the date and place
have been decided, put it into https://sprints.kde.org and get
everbody signed up *with numbers* so you can ask the e.V. board for
funding. I'm adding back in the www list and also the community list,
because I think this is both important and will draw lots of
volunteers.
So should I create a doodle? Or open a forum and put the link here? And 
how do we organize the discussion ahead to plan everything? Forum or ML?


How much time ahead should it be prepared? I mean: what is reasonable 
for a sprint time? I'm currently in Berlin, and I know that a lot of 
contributors are there, so why not? However if we can join the people in 
CERN, it's great too (even better :D).



Anyone with some experience in this is welcome to give me some hints about
where to begin, what should be thought of and so on.

One thing to think of -- if you have only a few folks, someone's house
will work. For larger groups, a school or hotel is better, in a city
where transport in and out is easy, for those who have to travel by
air, auto, bus or train. If it is scheduled on a weekend, some
KDE-friendly business may be willing to donate their conference rooms
for the sprint days, for instance. This has worked well often in
Barcelona, in Brno, in Berlin for instance. Recently CERN has offered
space in Geneva -- can we join in this sprint with WikitoLearn?
As I said, CERN would be great. Else I'm working in a place which uses 
KDE a lot (another particle accelerator in Berlin). If we are enough 
people, maybe I can try to get a room there.


Ok there were a lot of questions :)

Looking forward for your inputs!
Olivier

Naturally this could fit into the Randa meetings too, but those are
many months away now.

Valorie


Cheers
Olivier


Le 05/12/2015 22:45, Valorie Zimmerman a écrit :

On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 3:10 PM, Olivier Churlaud 
wrote:

Hi,

I'm coming here with this observation: the wiki are quite a mess. And
very
often KDE4 and KF5 things are mixed.
That everyone do it at their scale is impossible. That's why I have a
proposition. (I've thought about it for a while)

It would be easier to do this like in a sprint, in team.

1) Define what structure the wiki should have: What is techbase? What is
Community? Are the manuals in Userbase or on doc? and so on
2) then take each page and order =Archive KDE4 | Mess | KF5 | To remove
3) Do a list of what is missing and what should be tidied.
4) Write to the corresponding teams so that they take care of it.
5) Remove what should be

What I mean in 2) is: for example there are N pages about how to
configure
Git. We take the good one, put the other in a namespace "To remove"

What I mean in 4) is: for example in https://community.kde.org/Sonnet,
it's
very old, and not much documented (sorry if some of you are reading this,
I
pick it randomly), so we can put a mail on the ML and tell them 'well we
saw
that...'

Basically this is my vision of what could be done.

Since I don't always know what is old what is still usable and so on,
people
with this knowledge would be required.

I think we should plan it very carefully, to have a battle plan, and then
go.

What do you think?
Would people be interested to give a hand?
How and when do we begin?


Cheers
Olivier

Sounds good to me! And I certainly would be willing to help, whether
remotely or at a physical sprint.

Valorie




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Re: Re: Sprint: Reorganize the wikis

[Olivier Churlaud]

Le 06/12/2015 22:16, Rick Timmis a écrit :

Hi Olivier

My day to day job is as a product development manager. So running 
sprints is a core part of my job.

Happy to do this for this task.


Nice!

Luigi, suggests focusing on Techbase.

It is important to focus on one Product at a time, the first step is 
to generate a backlog, largely in the manner that you described in 
your opening email Olivier.


I also agree with what Luigi says, because I think Techbase is the 
easiest part as there is no so much discussion and reforming to do, but 
just organize the existent.




Thanks

Rick

On 06/12/15 18:45, Olivier Churlaud wrote:

Hi,

I however would need help...

I've never organized nor taken part of a sprint... So I would be glad 
to get some pieces of advice to do it.


@Valorie: I heared that you'd been here for some time and that you're 
one of the community manager (?). Maybe you are the good person to 
help me on this?


Anyone with some experience in this is welcome to give me some hints 
about where to begin, what should be thought of and so on.


Cheers
Olivier

Le 05/12/2015 22:45, Valorie Zimmerman a écrit :
On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 3:10 PM, Olivier Churlaud 
 wrote:

Hi,

I'm coming here with this observation: the wiki are quite a mess. 
And very

often KDE4 and KF5 things are mixed.
That everyone do it at their scale is impossible. That's why I have a
proposition. (I've thought about it for a while)

It would be easier to do this like in a sprint, in team.

1) Define what structure the wiki should have: What is techbase? 
What is

Community? Are the manuals in Userbase or on doc? and so on
2) then take each page and order => Archive KDE4 | Mess | KF5 | To 
remove

3) Do a list of what is missing and what should be tidied.
4) Write to the corresponding teams so that they take care of it.
5) Remove what should be

What I mean in 2) is: for example there are N pages about how to 
configure

Git. We take the good one, put the other in a namespace "To remove"

What I mean in 4) is: for example in 
https://community.kde.org/Sonnet, it's
very old, and not much documented (sorry if some of you are reading 
this, I
pick it randomly), so we can put a mail on the ML and tell them 
'well we saw

that...'

Basically this is my vision of what could be done.

Since I don't always know what is old what is still usable and so 
on, people

with this knowledge would be required.

I think we should plan it very carefully, to have a battle plan, 
and then

go.

What do you think?
Would people be interested to give a hand?
How and when do we begin?


Cheers
Olivier

Sounds good to me! And I certainly would be willing to help, whether
remotely or at a physical sprint.

Valorie




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Re: Re: Sprint: Reorganize the wikis

[Valorie Zimmerman]

On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Olivier Churlaud  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I however would need help...
>
> I've never organized nor taken part of a sprint... So I would be glad to get
> some pieces of advice to do it.
>
> @Valorie: I heared that you'd been here for some time and that you're one of
> the community manager (?). Maybe you are the good person to help me on this?

To get a sprint going for KDE, you've done the first step: ask folks
if there is an interest. Next, people sometimes set up a Doodle poll
or similar, or just choose a date and place. When the date and place
have been decided, put it into https://sprints.kde.org and get
everbody signed up *with numbers* so you can ask the e.V. board for
funding. I'm adding back in the www list and also the community list,
because I think this is both important and will draw lots of
volunteers.

> Anyone with some experience in this is welcome to give me some hints about
> where to begin, what should be thought of and so on.

One thing to think of -- if you have only a few folks, someone's house
will work. For larger groups, a school or hotel is better, in a city
where transport in and out is easy, for those who have to travel by
air, auto, bus or train. If it is scheduled on a weekend, some
KDE-friendly business may be willing to donate their conference rooms
for the sprint days, for instance. This has worked well often in
Barcelona, in Brno, in Berlin for instance. Recently CERN has offered
space in Geneva -- can we join in this sprint with WikitoLearn?

Naturally this could fit into the Randa meetings too, but those are
many months away now.

Valorie

> Cheers
> Olivier
>
>
> Le 05/12/2015 22:45, Valorie Zimmerman a écrit :
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 3:10 PM, Olivier Churlaud 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'm coming here with this observation: the wiki are quite a mess. And
>>> very
>>> often KDE4 and KF5 things are mixed.
>>> That everyone do it at their scale is impossible. That's why I have a
>>> proposition. (I've thought about it for a while)
>>>
>>> It would be easier to do this like in a sprint, in team.
>>>
>>> 1) Define what structure the wiki should have: What is techbase? What is
>>> Community? Are the manuals in Userbase or on doc? and so on
>>> 2) then take each page and order => Archive KDE4 | Mess | KF5 | To remove
>>> 3) Do a list of what is missing and what should be tidied.
>>> 4) Write to the corresponding teams so that they take care of it.
>>> 5) Remove what should be
>>>
>>> What I mean in 2) is: for example there are N pages about how to
>>> configure
>>> Git. We take the good one, put the other in a namespace "To remove"
>>>
>>> What I mean in 4) is: for example in https://community.kde.org/Sonnet,
>>> it's
>>> very old, and not much documented (sorry if some of you are reading this,
>>> I
>>> pick it randomly), so we can put a mail on the ML and tell them 'well we
>>> saw
>>> that...'
>>>
>>> Basically this is my vision of what could be done.
>>>
>>> Since I don't always know what is old what is still usable and so on,
>>> people
>>> with this knowledge would be required.
>>>
>>> I think we should plan it very carefully, to have a battle plan, and then
>>> go.
>>>
>>> What do you think?
>>> Would people be interested to give a hand?
>>> How and when do we begin?
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Olivier
>>
>> Sounds good to me! And I certainly would be willing to help, whether
>> remotely or at a physical sprint.
>>
>> Valorie

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Re: Sprint: Reorganize the wikis

[Rick Timmis]

Hi Olivier

My day to day job is as a product development manager. So running 
sprints is a core part of my job.

Happy to do this for this task.

Luigi, suggests focusing on Techbase.

It is important to focus on one Product at a time, the first step is to 
generate a backlog, largely in the manner that you described in your 
opening email Olivier.


Thanks

Rick

On 06/12/15 18:45, Olivier Churlaud wrote:

Hi,

I however would need help...

I've never organized nor taken part of a sprint... So I would be glad 
to get some pieces of advice to do it.


@Valorie: I heared that you'd been here for some time and that you're 
one of the community manager (?). Maybe you are the good person to 
help me on this?


Anyone with some experience in this is welcome to give me some hints 
about where to begin, what should be thought of and so on.


Cheers
Olivier

Le 05/12/2015 22:45, Valorie Zimmerman a écrit :
On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 3:10 PM, Olivier Churlaud 
 wrote:

Hi,

I'm coming here with this observation: the wiki are quite a mess. 
And very

often KDE4 and KF5 things are mixed.
That everyone do it at their scale is impossible. That's why I have a
proposition. (I've thought about it for a while)

It would be easier to do this like in a sprint, in team.

1) Define what structure the wiki should have: What is techbase? 
What is

Community? Are the manuals in Userbase or on doc? and so on
2) then take each page and order => Archive KDE4 | Mess | KF5 | To 
remove

3) Do a list of what is missing and what should be tidied.
4) Write to the corresponding teams so that they take care of it.
5) Remove what should be

What I mean in 2) is: for example there are N pages about how to 
configure

Git. We take the good one, put the other in a namespace "To remove"

What I mean in 4) is: for example in 
https://community.kde.org/Sonnet, it's
very old, and not much documented (sorry if some of you are reading 
this, I
pick it randomly), so we can put a mail on the ML and tell them 
'well we saw

that...'

Basically this is my vision of what could be done.

Since I don't always know what is old what is still usable and so 
on, people

with this knowledge would be required.

I think we should plan it very carefully, to have a battle plan, and 
then

go.

What do you think?
Would people be interested to give a hand?
How and when do we begin?


Cheers
Olivier

Sounds good to me! And I certainly would be willing to help, whether
remotely or at a physical sprint.

Valorie




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Re: Re: Sprint: Reorganize the wikis

[Olivier Churlaud]

Hi,

I however would need help...

I've never organized nor taken part of a sprint... So I would be glad to 
get some pieces of advice to do it.


@Valorie: I heared that you'd been here for some time and that you're 
one of the community manager (?). Maybe you are the good person to help 
me on this?


Anyone with some experience in this is welcome to give me some hints 
about where to begin, what should be thought of and so on.


Cheers
Olivier

Le 05/12/2015 22:45, Valorie Zimmerman a écrit :

On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 3:10 PM, Olivier Churlaud  wrote:

Hi,

I'm coming here with this observation: the wiki are quite a mess. And very
often KDE4 and KF5 things are mixed.
That everyone do it at their scale is impossible. That's why I have a
proposition. (I've thought about it for a while)

It would be easier to do this like in a sprint, in team.

1) Define what structure the wiki should have: What is techbase? What is
Community? Are the manuals in Userbase or on doc? and so on
2) then take each page and order => Archive KDE4 | Mess | KF5 | To remove
3) Do a list of what is missing and what should be tidied.
4) Write to the corresponding teams so that they take care of it.
5) Remove what should be

What I mean in 2) is: for example there are N pages about how to configure
Git. We take the good one, put the other in a namespace "To remove"

What I mean in 4) is: for example in https://community.kde.org/Sonnet, it's
very old, and not much documented (sorry if some of you are reading this, I
pick it randomly), so we can put a mail on the ML and tell them 'well we saw
that...'

Basically this is my vision of what could be done.

Since I don't always know what is old what is still usable and so on, people
with this knowledge would be required.

I think we should plan it very carefully, to have a battle plan, and then
go.

What do you think?
Would people be interested to give a hand?
How and when do we begin?


Cheers
Olivier

Sounds good to me! And I certainly would be willing to help, whether
remotely or at a physical sprint.

Valorie





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Re: Sprint: Reorganize the wikis

[Luigi Toscano]

Olivier Churlaud ha scritto:
> Hi,
> 
> Le 06/12/2015 02:12, Vishesh Handa a écrit :

>> 6) Are wikis the ideal way to present documentation? The have pros and
>> cons, and perhaps we can be more flexible on different approaches and
>> see what works out. We seem to have documentation in git repos [1],
>> wikis, and even a book or two.
>>
>> [1] https://github.com/KDE/baloo/blob/master/docs/user/searching.md
> I think that both have advantages.. Maybe we could build the community wiki
> based on what is under the docs/ folder? It could be very interesting to
> discuss this.

Can we leave the doc discussion outside this first step? Reorganizing techbase
is a big enough task for now.

As other people suggested (thanks Jaroslaw and Burkhard) the proper way is to
introduce asciidoc support in our documentation toolchain, so that people can
decide whether to use docbook directly or asciidoc (which will be magically
converted etc etc). But it takes time and people willing to help.

Ciao
-- 
Luigi

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Re: Sprint: Reorganize the wikis

[Rick Timmis]

+1 from me on this I think its a great idea.
Wiki is best method

I'm very keen to help out

Rick

On 06/12/15 15:31, Olivier Churlaud wrote:

Hi,

Le 06/12/2015 02:12, Vishesh Handa a écrit :

Hey Olivier

I'm so happy to see someone bring this up.

You're welcome
On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 12:10 AM, Olivier Churlaud 
 wrote:

Hi,

I'm coming here with this observation: the wiki are quite a mess. 
And very

often KDE4 and KF5 things are mixed.
That everyone do it at their scale is impossible. That's why I have a
proposition. (I've thought about it for a while)

It would be easier to do this like in a sprint, in team.

1) Define what structure the wiki should have: What is techbase? 
What is

Community? Are the manuals in Userbase or on doc? and so on
2) then take each page and order => Archive KDE4 | Mess | KF5 | To 
remove

3) Do a list of what is missing and what should be tidied.
4) Write to the corresponding teams so that they take care of it.
5) Remove what should be


Perhaps also -

6) Are wikis the ideal way to present documentation? The have pros and
cons, and perhaps we can be more flexible on different approaches and
see what works out. We seem to have documentation in git repos [1],
wikis, and even a book or two.

[1] https://github.com/KDE/baloo/blob/master/docs/user/searching.md
I think that both have advantages.. Maybe we could build the community 
wiki based on what is under the docs/ folder? It could be very 
interesting to discuss this.


What I mean in 2) is: for example there are N pages about how to 
configure

Git. We take the good one, put the other in a namespace "To remove"

What I mean in 4) is: for example in 
https://community.kde.org/Sonnet, it's
very old, and not much documented (sorry if some of you are reading 
this, I
pick it randomly), so we can put a mail on the ML and tell them 
'well we saw

that...'

Basically this is my vision of what could be done.

Since I don't always know what is old what is still usable and so 
on, people

with this knowledge would be required.

I think we should plan it very carefully, to have a battle plan, and 
then

go.

What do you think?
Would people be interested to give a hand?
How and when do we begin?

I would definitely be interested.

However, I doubt I have the time to take time off work and travel for
this, so remotely, rather than physically.

Both are doable: I speak about this in Valerie's answer.

Cheers
Olivier



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Re: Re: Sprint: Reorganize the wikis

[Olivier Churlaud]

Hi,

Le 06/12/2015 02:12, Vishesh Handa a écrit :

Hey Olivier

I'm so happy to see someone bring this up.

You're welcome
On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 12:10 AM, Olivier Churlaud 
 wrote:

Hi,

I'm coming here with this observation: the wiki are quite a mess. And 
very

often KDE4 and KF5 things are mixed.
That everyone do it at their scale is impossible. That's why I have a
proposition. (I've thought about it for a while)

It would be easier to do this like in a sprint, in team.

1) Define what structure the wiki should have: What is techbase? What is
Community? Are the manuals in Userbase or on doc? and so on
2) then take each page and order => Archive KDE4 | Mess | KF5 | To 
remove

3) Do a list of what is missing and what should be tidied.
4) Write to the corresponding teams so that they take care of it.
5) Remove what should be


Perhaps also -

6) Are wikis the ideal way to present documentation? The have pros and
cons, and perhaps we can be more flexible on different approaches and
see what works out. We seem to have documentation in git repos [1],
wikis, and even a book or two.

[1] https://github.com/KDE/baloo/blob/master/docs/user/searching.md
I think that both have advantages.. Maybe we could build the community 
wiki based on what is under the docs/ folder? It could be very 
interesting to discuss this.


What I mean in 2) is: for example there are N pages about how to 
configure

Git. We take the good one, put the other in a namespace "To remove"

What I mean in 4) is: for example in 
https://community.kde.org/Sonnet, it's
very old, and not much documented (sorry if some of you are reading 
this, I
pick it randomly), so we can put a mail on the ML and tell them 'well 
we saw

that...'

Basically this is my vision of what could be done.

Since I don't always know what is old what is still usable and so on, 
people

with this knowledge would be required.

I think we should plan it very carefully, to have a battle plan, and 
then

go.

What do you think?
Would people be interested to give a hand?
How and when do we begin?

I would definitely be interested.

However, I doubt I have the time to take time off work and travel for
this, so remotely, rather than physically.

Both are doable: I speak about this in Valerie's answer.

Cheers
Olivier

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Re: Sprint: Reorganize the wikis

[Vishesh Handa]

Hey Olivier

I'm so happy to see someone bring this up.

On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 12:10 AM, Olivier Churlaud  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm coming here with this observation: the wiki are quite a mess. And very
> often KDE4 and KF5 things are mixed.
> That everyone do it at their scale is impossible. That's why I have a
> proposition. (I've thought about it for a while)
>
> It would be easier to do this like in a sprint, in team.
>
> 1) Define what structure the wiki should have: What is techbase? What is
> Community? Are the manuals in Userbase or on doc? and so on
> 2) then take each page and order => Archive KDE4 | Mess | KF5 | To remove
> 3) Do a list of what is missing and what should be tidied.
> 4) Write to the corresponding teams so that they take care of it.
> 5) Remove what should be
>

Perhaps also -

6) Are wikis the ideal way to present documentation? The have pros and
cons, and perhaps we can be more flexible on different approaches and
see what works out. We seem to have documentation in git repos [1],
wikis, and even a book or two.

[1] https://github.com/KDE/baloo/blob/master/docs/user/searching.md

> What I mean in 2) is: for example there are N pages about how to configure
> Git. We take the good one, put the other in a namespace "To remove"
>
> What I mean in 4) is: for example in https://community.kde.org/Sonnet, it's
> very old, and not much documented (sorry if some of you are reading this, I
> pick it randomly), so we can put a mail on the ML and tell them 'well we saw
> that...'
>
> Basically this is my vision of what could be done.
>
> Since I don't always know what is old what is still usable and so on, people
> with this knowledge would be required.
>
> I think we should plan it very carefully, to have a battle plan, and then
> go.
>
> What do you think?
> Would people be interested to give a hand?
> How and when do we begin?

I would definitely be interested.

However, I doubt I have the time to take time off work and travel for
this, so remotely, rather than physically.

--
Vishesh Handa

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Re: Sprint: Reorganize the wikis

[Valorie Zimmerman]

On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 3:10 PM, Olivier Churlaud  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm coming here with this observation: the wiki are quite a mess. And very
> often KDE4 and KF5 things are mixed.
> That everyone do it at their scale is impossible. That's why I have a
> proposition. (I've thought about it for a while)
>
> It would be easier to do this like in a sprint, in team.
>
> 1) Define what structure the wiki should have: What is techbase? What is
> Community? Are the manuals in Userbase or on doc? and so on
> 2) then take each page and order => Archive KDE4 | Mess | KF5 | To remove
> 3) Do a list of what is missing and what should be tidied.
> 4) Write to the corresponding teams so that they take care of it.
> 5) Remove what should be
>
> What I mean in 2) is: for example there are N pages about how to configure
> Git. We take the good one, put the other in a namespace "To remove"
>
> What I mean in 4) is: for example in https://community.kde.org/Sonnet, it's
> very old, and not much documented (sorry if some of you are reading this, I
> pick it randomly), so we can put a mail on the ML and tell them 'well we saw
> that...'
>
> Basically this is my vision of what could be done.
>
> Since I don't always know what is old what is still usable and so on, people
> with this knowledge would be required.
>
> I think we should plan it very carefully, to have a battle plan, and then
> go.
>
> What do you think?
> Would people be interested to give a hand?
> How and when do we begin?
>
>
> Cheers
> Olivier

Sounds good to me! And I certainly would be willing to help, whether
remotely or at a physical sprint.

Valorie

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Re: Sprint: Reorganize the wikis

[John Layt]

On 2 December 2015 at 23:10, Olivier Churlaud  wrote:

> I'm coming here with this observation: the wiki are quite a mess. And very
> often KDE4 and KF5 things are mixed.
> That everyone do it at their scale is impossible. That's why I have a
> proposition. (I've thought about it for a while)
>
> It would be easier to do this like in a sprint, in team.
>

Good idea.


> 1) Define what structure the wiki should have: What is techbase? What is
> Community? Are the manuals in Userbase or on doc? and so on
>

This was actually pretty clearly defined from the start, it's just that
people haven't paid attention to what was said (although we could add
clearer guidelines to the Help section, not that people read that). We
probably do need to be rather more militant in enforcing things. There's
still a *lot* of material on TechBase under the /Projects area that should
be on Community, but poking the individual groups to move it themselves has
proved ineffectual. It may be time to Just Do It and ask for forgiveness
later.

I can't comment on the UserBase/Docs split, but there's been discussions
for ages on that? Something about dropping Docbook, using UserBase, then
generating offline docs from that? Dunno, but it's quite a deep
philosophical and practical issue to be resolved.

I do think though that we probably need to lock TechBase down more and
implement a more structured review process, I've seen too many of my very
carefully structured and written pages changed without heed to quality or
purpose or structure. I'd be interested in seeing how UserBase works in
that regard.

What I mean in 2) is: for example there are N pages about how to configure
> Git. We take the good one, put the other in a namespace "To remove"
>

There's two sets of pages on Git for two reasons, the dev config docs on
TechBase, and the SysAdmin config docs on Community, they do need a small
clean-up to move some stuff from Community to TechBase, but not much. It's
all the other pages that still refer to SVN instead of Git that need work...

What I mean in 4) is: for example in https://community.kde.org/Sonnet, it's
> very old, and not much documented (sorry if some of you are reading this, I
> pick it randomly), so we can put a mail on the ML and tell them 'well we
> saw that...'
>

Community stuff mostly just needs checking it's in the right group in the
general hierarchy, after that it's up to that part of the community to
decide what they do with their material, it is only supposed to be for
community organising after all. No-one has that breadth of vision to know
what is relevant or not for every group. Perhaps just clean up the
top-level structure a little then poke each group to review what they have
under their sections.


> What do you think?
> Would people be interested to give a hand?
> How and when do we begin?
>

It's a good idea to have a sprint, half the problem is clear communication
and guidelines, and half is people not liking writing docs and so keep
putting it off (guilty here too). It would be good to have a focused event
with a mandate to attack the problem.

I'd suggest cc'ing in the kde-community mailing list as it will get wider
coverage of the interested audience. After you have enough interested
parties find a date and venue and approach the eV Board for funding.

John.

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Re: Sprint: Reorganize the wikis

[Cornelius Schumacher]

On Thursday 03 December 2015 00:10:53 Olivier Churlaud wrote:
> 
> I'm coming here with this observation: the wiki are quite a mess. And
> very often KDE4 and KF5 things are mixed.
> That everyone do it at their scale is impossible. That's why I have a
> proposition. (I've thought about it for a while)

Unfortunately it's in the nature of Wikis to get messy over time. Kind of the 
flip side of being easy to edit and share stuff. So I think a dedicated effort 
to clean things up is a great thing. Thanks for taking the initiative.

> It would be easier to do this like in a sprint, in team.

Agreed. I remember a Wiki sprint we did some years ago which was quite 
productive.

> 1) Define what structure the wiki should have: What is techbase? What is
> Community? Are the manuals in Userbase or on doc? and so on

Please take into account the current definition at https://wiki.kde.org/ (one 
of the results of the sprint mentioned above ;-). Doesn't have to be set in 
stone, but I do think this still gives a very good guide line.

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Cornelius Schumacher 

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Sprint: Reorganize the wikis

[Olivier Churlaud]

Hi,

I'm coming here with this observation: the wiki are quite a mess. And 
very often KDE4 and KF5 things are mixed.
That everyone do it at their scale is impossible. That's why I have a 
proposition. (I've thought about it for a while)


It would be easier to do this like in a sprint, in team.

1) Define what structure the wiki should have: What is techbase? What is 
Community? Are the manuals in Userbase or on doc? and so on

2) then take each page and order => Archive KDE4 | Mess | KF5 | To remove
3) Do a list of what is missing and what should be tidied.
4) Write to the corresponding teams so that they take care of it.
5) Remove what should be

What I mean in 2) is: for example there are N pages about how to 
configure Git. We take the good one, put the other in a namespace "To 
remove"


What I mean in 4) is: for example in https://community.kde.org/Sonnet, 
it's very old, and not much documented (sorry if some of you are reading 
this, I pick it randomly), so we can put a mail on the ML and tell them 
'well we saw that...'


Basically this is my vision of what could be done.

Since I don't always know what is old what is still usable and so on, 
people with this knowledge would be required.


I think we should plan it very carefully, to have a battle plan, and 
then go.


What do you think?
Would people be interested to give a hand?
How and when do we begin?


Cheers
Olivier

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