Re: Porting notes / deprecation docs

2021-07-13 Thread Friedrich W. H. Kossebau
Am Dienstag, 13. Juli 2021, 18:46:35 CEST schrieb Frederik Schwarzer:
> On 7/12/21 8:43 PM, Friedrich W. H. Kossebau wrote:
> > IIRC main file of the generation is
> > https://invent.kde.org/websites/quality-kde-org/-/blob/master/apidox/src/
> > gendox.sh
> > 
> > But I dropped out when there were people talking about their progress in
> > writing a replacement and put my hopes & bet on them. But seems life got
> > in
> > then it seems...
> 
> I cannot check what is used on the server but I was told
> https://invent.kde.org/frameworks/kapidox/-/blob/master/src/kapidox_generate
> would be the script that generates apidocs on the server.

quality-kde-org code still is the one being run, and it invokes 
kapidox_generate in the process

Cheers
Friedrich




Re: Porting notes / deprecation docs

2021-07-13 Thread Frederik Schwarzer

On 7/12/21 8:43 PM, Friedrich W. H. Kossebau wrote:

Am Montag, 12. Juli 2021, 20:22:30 CEST schrieb Frederik Schwarzer:

On 7/12/21 7:38 PM, Friedrich W. H. Kossebau wrote:

Now what is meant by "clickable links to replacements" exactly? Any
example
for what you have in mind?
(Just in case, Doxygen usually itself already generated automatic links to
the functions (just needs complete signature, incl. const), see also
https://www.doxygen.nl/manual/autolink.html
but then I would guess you know that)


Yes, that's what I meant. api.k.o does have clickable links (if done
properly) but compiler warnings do not. That's why it would be good to
keep the KF5 api docs.


Ah, so html pages on a server/local docs in QCH vs. compiler log, I see :)


If we put URLs in the messages, we could click them in Konsole. ;)



Any insight on how you kept the KDE 2-4 apidocs alive?


Mainly defending against admin wanting to clean up dead stuff and just wiping
the current freak setup behind api.kde.org ;) (which is https://
invent.kde.org/websites/quality-kde-org)

Right now the kdelibs 2-4 docs are no longer regenerated (at the time when I
got involved only the 4 one still was, but now also no longer is, and just is
static files on the web server. I did some URL updates e.g. for trolltech.com-

qt.io using mass regexp replacements on them).


IIRC main file of the generation is
https://invent.kde.org/websites/quality-kde-org/-/blob/master/apidox/src/
gendox.sh

But I dropped out when there were people talking about their progress in
writing a replacement and put my hopes & bet on them. But seems life got in
then it seems...


I cannot check what is used on the server but I was told
https://invent.kde.org/frameworks/kapidox/-/blob/master/src/kapidox_generate
would be the script that generates apidocs on the server.

Maybe someone can clarify?

CHeers,
Frederik


Re: Porting notes / deprecation docs

2021-07-12 Thread Friedrich W. H. Kossebau
Am Montag, 12. Juli 2021, 20:22:30 CEST schrieb Frederik Schwarzer:
> On 7/12/21 7:38 PM, Friedrich W. H. Kossebau wrote:
> > Now what is meant by "clickable links to replacements" exactly? Any
> > example
> > for what you have in mind?
> > (Just in case, Doxygen usually itself already generated automatic links to
> > the functions (just needs complete signature, incl. const), see also
> > https://www.doxygen.nl/manual/autolink.html
> > but then I would guess you know that)
> 
> Yes, that's what I meant. api.k.o does have clickable links (if done
> properly) but compiler warnings do not. That's why it would be good to
> keep the KF5 api docs.

Ah, so html pages on a server/local docs in QCH vs. compiler log, I see :)

((Old man blabla: decades ago one would have hoped we have more machine-
processable output from compilers in 2021, e.g. rich text. But then we also 
still do patches as plain text diffs, not AST diffs... oh well :) ))

> Any insight on how you kept the KDE 2-4 apidocs alive?

Mainly defending against admin wanting to clean up dead stuff and just wiping 
the current freak setup behind api.kde.org ;) (which is https://
invent.kde.org/websites/quality-kde-org)

Right now the kdelibs 2-4 docs are no longer regenerated (at the time when I 
got involved only the 4 one still was, but now also no longer is, and just is 
static files on the web server. I did some URL updates e.g. for trolltech.com-
>qt.io using mass regexp replacements on them).

IIRC main file of the generation is
https://invent.kde.org/websites/quality-kde-org/-/blob/master/apidox/src/
gendox.sh

But I dropped out when there were people talking about their progress in 
writing a replacement and put my hopes & bet on them. But seems life got in 
then it seems...

Cheers
Friedrich




Re: Porting notes / deprecation docs

2021-07-12 Thread Frederik Schwarzer




On 7/12/21 7:38 PM, Friedrich W. H. Kossebau wrote:

Some hopefully helpful quick comments from couch:

Am Montag, 12. Juli 2021, 19:14:17 CEST schrieb Frederik Schwarzer:

- If not documented separately, should existing deprecation messages
be improved? "no known users" might not be enough for the "unknown
users" in 3rd-party applications who get that message


Yes, ideally that should be backed up by some web page perhaps, informing
anyone how to get in touch with whom to make a user and their needs known, for
finding a solution.


- Is it possible/desirable to keep the latest KF5 API docs as it is
generated on api.k.o to have deprecation messages with clickable links
to replacements?


When doing my own little contributions to keep api.kde.org alive last year, I
also made sure to have the so far existing kdelibs 2-4 API still available,
see https://api.kde.org/history.php (reached via "Old KDE Versions" from
api.kde.org mainpage). The same hopefully can be done for KF5 (and other
libraries who would need versioned docs).

Now what is meant by "clickable links to replacements" exactly? Any example
for what you have in mind?
(Just in case, Doxygen usually itself already generated automatic links to the
functions (just needs complete signature, incl. const), see also
https://www.doxygen.nl/manual/autolink.html
but then I would guess you know that)


Yes, that's what I meant. api.k.o does have clickable links (if done 
properly) but compiler warnings do not. That's why it would be good to 
keep the KF5 api docs.


Any insight on how you kept the KDE 2-4 apidocs alive?

Cheers,
Frederik


Re: Porting notes / deprecation docs

2021-07-12 Thread Friedrich W. H. Kossebau
Some hopefully helpful quick comments from couch:

Am Montag, 12. Juli 2021, 19:14:17 CEST schrieb Frederik Schwarzer:
> - If not documented separately, should existing deprecation messages
>be improved? "no known users" might not be enough for the "unknown
>users" in 3rd-party applications who get that message

Yes, ideally that should be backed up by some web page perhaps, informing 
anyone how to get in touch with whom to make a user and their needs known, for 
finding a solution.

> - Is it possible/desirable to keep the latest KF5 API docs as it is
>generated on api.k.o to have deprecation messages with clickable links
>to replacements?

When doing my own little contributions to keep api.kde.org alive last year, I 
also made sure to have the so far existing kdelibs 2-4 API still available, 
see https://api.kde.org/history.php (reached via "Old KDE Versions" from 
api.kde.org mainpage). The same hopefully can be done for KF5 (and other 
libraries who would need versioned docs).

Now what is meant by "clickable links to replacements" exactly? Any example 
for what you have in mind?
(Just in case, Doxygen usually itself already generated automatic links to the 
functions (just needs complete signature, incl. const), see also
https://www.doxygen.nl/manual/autolink.html
but then I would guess you know that)

Cheers
Friedrich




Re: Porting notes / deprecation docs

2021-07-12 Thread Frederik Schwarzer

Hi,

so there has been a bit more discussion in today's KF6 weekly meeting 
about how to proceed with porting docs.


- Porting documentation needs an entry page pointing to the several
  resources like C++ deprecations, Qt6 porting guides, KF6 porting
  notes
- KF6 porting notes should follow a similar approach like Qt6 porting
  (first compile with the latest KF5 version, which will be part of
  distros for quite some time and get rid of all deprecation warnings
  and then make it compile against KF6)
- Might it be a good idea to document a selected set of API
  deprecations to have them in a readable format? Candidates are ones
  where it needs more that one or two lines of explanation
- If not documented separately, should existing deprecation messages
  be improved? "no known users" might not be enough for the "unknown
  users" in 3rd-party applications who get that message
- Is it possible/desirable to keep the latest KF5 API docs as it is
  generated on api.k.o to have deprecation messages with clickable links
  to replacements?

Opinions/additions?

Cheers,
Frederik

On 7/11/21 2:24 PM, Frederik Schwarzer wrote:

Hi,

On 7/10/21 11:54 PM, Friedrich W. H. Kossebau wrote:

Am Samstag, 10. Juli 2021, 22:47:58 CEST schrieb Frederik Schwarzer:

Hi,

On 7/10/21 7:38 PM, Friedrich W. H. Kossebau wrote:

Am Samstag, 10. Juli 2021, 18:00:13 CEST schrieb Frederik Schwarzer:

as mentioned earlier


Any pointers? :)


It was discussed in the weekly BBB meetings a few weeks ago.


I see. As contributor on occasions only myself, please refer to the 
respective
meeting notes some thankfully write, so one can read up on more 
background,
and such a planned task ideally would be backed up by a task board 
entry on
phabricator, so people can coordinate and track things about it in an 
async

manner.


https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-frameworks-devel/2021-June/117653.html
Of course that out-of-context sentence at the end does not represent 
properly what has been said by people then. Some follow-up discussion 
lead to the "just grep it and put it somewhere first" approach.


What I take out of this now is that I need to be more phony about what I 
am planning on doing.




I would like to document classes/methods/etc that
are going to be deprecated during KF6 development.


Can you help confused-on-first-read people by explaining what 
"deprecated
during KF6 development" is referring to? Deprecated during KF5 
development
and no longer be available in KF6? Not yet deprecated due to no 
existing

replacement, but with replacement planned in KF6?


Everything that is marked deprecated when KF6 sees the light of day.


Okay. Not a good idea IMHO. There should be a single place of 
information, and
we have that already with the current KF5 API docs. I hope no-one 
plans to

just remove them from the website, though, Well, then there are also the
offline docs in QCH format as backup generated during the builds and 
packaged

by good distributions ;)


The idea is to have the APIs that are being deprecated now documented
when those APIs (and with it the API docs) are removed.
The audience is everyone who is starting the porting work when KF6 is
already there for some time.


Ideally that audience should get the recommendation to first port away 
from
deprecated API using the last released version of KF5 and Qt6. That 
way they
are able to do a big chunk of the work while being able to maintain a 
fully

working state of their software, without serious regressions. Once that
checkpoint is reached, then go for porting all those things which 
disappeared/

changed in KF6 & Qt6 without any preparations in KF5 & Qt5.

Remember that this is not just KF 5 -> 6, but also Qt 5 -> 6. And 
perhaps even
C++11 -> C++17. IMHO only those would recommend to port directly from 
one set
of APIs to an other one without any intermediate checkppints for the 
working
sate of the software who want to secure their job for a while, because 
it will
take ages to fix all the regressions introduced during the port. 
Unless the
company/community goes down in the meantime, because the ported 
software does

not get done.

BTW, even the Qt Company recommends that step-by-step approach, and they
surely do want to have their customers be successful in a short time 
;) ->

https://doc.qt.io/qt-6/portingguide.html

That is also why some of us invested so much of our time into properly 
tagging
API with deprecations warning macros and visibility guards, so porting 
can be
done step by step away from the old AP assisted by the compiler, 
always having

a working software. Because we have been through some porting in KDE and
learned our lessons, haven't we... ;)


Yes it is manual work. However, since the documentation does not remove
stuff that has been removed from the API, it's a thing of adding newer
deprecation markers, which seems manageable.


While perhaps it might be a nice thing to have a shortcut list of API 
that is
deprecated in KF5 times, as 

Re: Porting notes / deprecation docs

2021-07-11 Thread Frederik Schwarzer

Hi,

On 7/10/21 11:54 PM, Friedrich W. H. Kossebau wrote:

Am Samstag, 10. Juli 2021, 22:47:58 CEST schrieb Frederik Schwarzer:

Hi,

On 7/10/21 7:38 PM, Friedrich W. H. Kossebau wrote:

Am Samstag, 10. Juli 2021, 18:00:13 CEST schrieb Frederik Schwarzer:

as mentioned earlier


Any pointers? :)


It was discussed in the weekly BBB meetings a few weeks ago.


I see. As contributor on occasions only myself, please refer to the respective
meeting notes some thankfully write, so one can read up on more background,
and such a planned task ideally would be backed up by a task board entry on
phabricator, so people can coordinate and track things about it in an async
manner.


https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-frameworks-devel/2021-June/117653.html
Of course that out-of-context sentence at the end does not represent 
properly what has been said by people then. Some follow-up discussion 
lead to the "just grep it and put it somewhere first" approach.


What I take out of this now is that I need to be more phony about what I 
am planning on doing.




I would like to document classes/methods/etc that
are going to be deprecated during KF6 development.


Can you help confused-on-first-read people by explaining what "deprecated
during KF6 development" is referring to? Deprecated during KF5 development
and no longer be available in KF6? Not yet deprecated due to no existing
replacement, but with replacement planned in KF6?


Everything that is marked deprecated when KF6 sees the light of day.


Okay. Not a good idea IMHO. There should be a single place of information, and
we have that already with the current KF5 API docs. I hope no-one plans to
just remove them from the website, though, Well, then there are also the
offline docs in QCH format as backup generated during the builds and packaged
by good distributions ;)


The idea is to have the APIs that are being deprecated now documented
when those APIs (and with it the API docs) are removed.
The audience is everyone who is starting the porting work when KF6 is
already there for some time.


Ideally that audience should get the recommendation to first port away from
deprecated API using the last released version of KF5 and Qt6. That way they
are able to do a big chunk of the work while being able to maintain a fully
working state of their software, without serious regressions. Once that
checkpoint is reached, then go for porting all those things which disappeared/
changed in KF6 & Qt6 without any preparations in KF5 & Qt5.

Remember that this is not just KF 5 -> 6, but also Qt 5 -> 6. And perhaps even
C++11 -> C++17. IMHO only those would recommend to port directly from one set
of APIs to an other one without any intermediate checkppints for the working
sate of the software who want to secure their job for a while, because it will
take ages to fix all the regressions introduced during the port. Unless the
company/community goes down in the meantime, because the ported software does
not get done.

BTW, even the Qt Company recommends that step-by-step approach, and they
surely do want to have their customers be successful in a short time ;) ->
https://doc.qt.io/qt-6/portingguide.html

That is also why some of us invested so much of our time into properly tagging
API with deprecations warning macros and visibility guards, so porting can be
done step by step away from the old AP assisted by the compiler, always having
a working software. Because we have been through some porting in KDE and
learned our lessons, haven't we... ;)


Yes it is manual work. However, since the documentation does not remove
stuff that has been removed from the API, it's a thing of adding newer
deprecation markers, which seems manageable.


While perhaps it might be a nice thing to have a shortcut list of API that is
deprecated in KF5 times, as a manifest to look-up things, ideally we find ways
to auto-generate that from the existing API markup.

After all KDE is a software developing community, so we should be able to
automate that, no? ;)

So, I can only really ask to keep documentation of KF5's deprecated API in one
place, and do it properly there, with nice examples, already now useful to
those who port away when they can. And that place should be the current KF5
API docs.
Even more as people come and go, and having yet another place which needs to
be kept even more manually up-tod-ate does not improve things, it adds more
risk to have outdated unmaintained information. As you could see in review, it
already now needs poking in every second review to have proper documentation.
And then also do that in some separate content?

What would be very good to have though IMHO, are preparations of the porting
documentation of that API which is not deprecated in KF5, but will be replaced
by something else in KF6 (because it cannot be done earlier for reasons). The
KF6 task board should have some data about such plans.
Such documentation will need a place and a structure, so also need someone to
work 

Re: Porting notes / deprecation docs

2021-07-10 Thread Friedrich W. H. Kossebau
Am Samstag, 10. Juli 2021, 22:47:58 CEST schrieb Frederik Schwarzer:
> Hi,
> 
> On 7/10/21 7:38 PM, Friedrich W. H. Kossebau wrote:
> > Am Samstag, 10. Juli 2021, 18:00:13 CEST schrieb Frederik Schwarzer:
> >> as mentioned earlier
> > 
> > Any pointers? :)
> 
> It was discussed in the weekly BBB meetings a few weeks ago.

I see. As contributor on occasions only myself, please refer to the respective 
meeting notes some thankfully write, so one can read up on more background, 
and such a planned task ideally would be backed up by a task board entry on 
phabricator, so people can coordinate and track things about it in an async 
manner.

> >> I would like to document classes/methods/etc that
> >> are going to be deprecated during KF6 development.
> > 
> > Can you help confused-on-first-read people by explaining what "deprecated
> > during KF6 development" is referring to? Deprecated during KF5 development
> > and no longer be available in KF6? Not yet deprecated due to no existing
> > replacement, but with replacement planned in KF6?
> 
> Everything that is marked deprecated when KF6 sees the light of day.

Okay. Not a good idea IMHO. There should be a single place of information, and 
we have that already with the current KF5 API docs. I hope no-one plans to 
just remove them from the website, though, Well, then there are also the 
offline docs in QCH format as backup generated during the builds and packaged 
by good distributions ;)

> The idea is to have the APIs that are being deprecated now documented
> when those APIs (and with it the API docs) are removed.
> The audience is everyone who is starting the porting work when KF6 is
> already there for some time.

Ideally that audience should get the recommendation to first port away from 
deprecated API using the last released version of KF5 and Qt6. That way they 
are able to do a big chunk of the work while being able to maintain a fully 
working state of their software, without serious regressions. Once that 
checkpoint is reached, then go for porting all those things which disappeared/
changed in KF6 & Qt6 without any preparations in KF5 & Qt5.

Remember that this is not just KF 5 -> 6, but also Qt 5 -> 6. And perhaps even 
C++11 -> C++17. IMHO only those would recommend to port directly from one set 
of APIs to an other one without any intermediate checkppints for the working 
sate of the software who want to secure their job for a while, because it will 
take ages to fix all the regressions introduced during the port. Unless the 
company/community goes down in the meantime, because the ported software does 
not get done.

BTW, even the Qt Company recommends that step-by-step approach, and they 
surely do want to have their customers be successful in a short time ;) ->
https://doc.qt.io/qt-6/portingguide.html

That is also why some of us invested so much of our time into properly tagging 
API with deprecations warning macros and visibility guards, so porting can be 
done step by step away from the old AP assisted by the compiler, always having 
a working software. Because we have been through some porting in KDE and 
learned our lessons, haven't we... ;)

> Yes it is manual work. However, since the documentation does not remove
> stuff that has been removed from the API, it's a thing of adding newer
> deprecation markers, which seems manageable.

While perhaps it might be a nice thing to have a shortcut list of API that is 
deprecated in KF5 times, as a manifest to look-up things, ideally we find ways 
to auto-generate that from the existing API markup.

After all KDE is a software developing community, so we should be able to 
automate that, no? ;)

So, I can only really ask to keep documentation of KF5's deprecated API in one 
place, and do it properly there, with nice examples, already now useful to 
those who port away when they can. And that place should be the current KF5 
API docs.
Even more as people come and go, and having yet another place which needs to 
be kept even more manually up-tod-ate does not improve things, it adds more 
risk to have outdated unmaintained information. As you could see in review, it 
already now needs poking in every second review to have proper documentation. 
And then also do that in some separate content?

What would be very good to have though IMHO, are preparations of the porting 
documentation of that API which is not deprecated in KF5, but will be replaced 
by something else in KF6 (because it cannot be done earlier for reasons). The 
KF6 task board should have some data about such plans.
Such documentation will need a place and a structure, so also need someone to 
work on and prepare it, so developers can put in the data once those 
replacements are created during KF6 init phase.

My 2 cents

Cheers
Friedrich




Re: Porting notes / deprecation docs

2021-07-10 Thread Frederik Schwarzer

Hi,

On 7/10/21 7:38 PM, Friedrich W. H. Kossebau wrote:

Am Samstag, 10. Juli 2021, 18:00:13 CEST schrieb Frederik Schwarzer:

as mentioned earlier


Any pointers? :)


It was discussed in the weekly BBB meetings a few weeks ago.



I would like to document classes/methods/etc that
are going to be deprecated during KF6 development.


Can you help confused-on-first-read people by explaining what "deprecated
during KF6 development" is referring to? Deprecated during KF5 development and
no longer be available in KF6? Not yet deprecated due to no existing
replacement, but with replacement planned in KF6?


Everything that is marked deprecated when KF6 sees the light of day.



For that I scraped up all the deprecation macros from the frameworks and
edited them to be more unified.


That sounds like duplication of data, and worse, a manual copy of a certain
state, which also needs to be manually maintained to be up-to-date to stay
useful.

In general I am also curious what audience is targeted by the planned
documentation and in which work-flows that documentation should solve which
needs, and what other solutions are there which would not satisfy those needs
well enough?

In general, for API already deprecated now during lifetime of KF5 we are
adding porting notes to the very API itself. Which is also the place as API
consumer I would be hoping for to get all needed information straight in one
go, instead of having to jump to other places, which might even get out of
sync or focus of developers (remember that current online docs of api.kde.org
also only provide docs for latest version (and even the development one, not
just the latest released).

And this is a change to what happened in kdelibs4 times, where most
deprecation happened in the development branches for what became KDE
Frameworks, so there also was no API documentation maintained at the same
time. So copying the approach taken for the KDE Frameworks porting notes would
not be needed here 1:1 for what I understand.

Instead we would need to add documentation for those things which are again
deprecated (well, removed rather) during preparation of KF6, where the
replacement also only will be in KF6, so no-one can port before.


The idea is to have the APIs that are being deprecated now documented 
when those APIs (and with it the API docs) are removed.
The audience is everyone who is starting the porting work when KF6 is 
already there for some time.


Yes it is manual work. However, since the documentation does not remove 
stuff that has been removed from the API, it's a thing of adding newer 
deprecation markers, which seems manageable.


Do you disagree?

Cheers,
Frederik


Re: Porting notes / deprecation docs

2021-07-10 Thread Friedrich W. H. Kossebau
Am Samstag, 10. Juli 2021, 18:00:13 CEST schrieb Frederik Schwarzer:
> as mentioned earlier

Any pointers? :)

> I would like to document classes/methods/etc that
> are going to be deprecated during KF6 development.

Can you help confused-on-first-read people by explaining what "deprecated 
during KF6 development" is referring to? Deprecated during KF5 development and 
no longer be available in KF6? Not yet deprecated due to no existing 
replacement, but with replacement planned in KF6?

> For that I scraped up all the deprecation macros from the frameworks and
> edited them to be more unified.

That sounds like duplication of data, and worse, a manual copy of a certain 
state, which also needs to be manually maintained to be up-to-date to stay 
useful.

In general I am also curious what audience is targeted by the planned 
documentation and in which work-flows that documentation should solve which 
needs, and what other solutions are there which would not satisfy those needs 
well enough?

In general, for API already deprecated now during lifetime of KF5 we are 
adding porting notes to the very API itself. Which is also the place as API 
consumer I would be hoping for to get all needed information straight in one 
go, instead of having to jump to other places, which might even get out of 
sync or focus of developers (remember that current online docs of api.kde.org 
also only provide docs for latest version (and even the development one, not 
just the latest released).

And this is a change to what happened in kdelibs4 times, where most 
deprecation happened in the development branches for what became KDE 
Frameworks, so there also was no API documentation maintained at the same 
time. So copying the approach taken for the KDE Frameworks porting notes would 
not be needed here 1:1 for what I understand.

Instead we would need to add documentation for those things which are again 
deprecated (well, removed rather) during preparation of KF6, where the 
replacement also only will be in KF6, so no-one can port before.

Cheers
Friedrich




Re: Porting notes / deprecation docs

2021-07-10 Thread Frederik Schwarzer




On 7/10/21 6:17 PM, Ahmad Samir wrote:

On 10/07/2021 18:00, Frederik Schwarzer wrote:

Hi,

as mentioned earlier, I would like to document classes/methods/etc that
are going to be deprecated during KF6 development.

For that I scraped up all the deprecation macros from the frameworks and
edited them to be more unified.



Good work, that must have been a huge task! (82 frameworks ... :)).


grep ran a few seconds to give me a 2600 lines text file, which I then 
had to edit to be more readable, which took me several hours. :)

The hard part is still about to come. :)



As for the location, I would probably start putting content in the
community wiki to a place like
https://community.kde.org/Frameworks/KF6_Porting_Notes. Does anyone see
a problem with that? Might is be better to write such docs in markdown
or restructured text for being better suited for a more modern location?



A wiki page is not most friendly way of editing huge technical 
documents. Personally, I think a markdown file in a git repo would be 
great, and then it can be "published" to a wiki page or a static web 
page on one of KDE's web sites. Or, we start with an markdown text file, 
then after it's fleshed out / polished, put it in the wiki, 
editing/adding a small section here or there would be easier. (But I do 
prefer text files, much easier to edit in my usual editor of choice).


Yes, I agree. A text file in Git is also better for tracking changes.


FWIW, there is supposed to be a KF6 meeting soon[1]. Not sure if we'll 
start this week or the next one though.


I have the Mondays on my calendar now. :)



Re: Porting notes / deprecation docs

2021-07-10 Thread Ahmad Samir

On 10/07/2021 18:00, Frederik Schwarzer wrote:

Hi,

as mentioned earlier, I would like to document classes/methods/etc that
are going to be deprecated during KF6 development.

For that I scraped up all the deprecation macros from the frameworks and
edited them to be more unified.



Good work, that must have been a huge task! (82 frameworks ... :)).


Now I need some opinions.

For once, there is still some stuff in deprecation from KDE4 times.
E.g. void setDoScanFile(bool scanFile); from kiowidgets.

I looked up a few of them in
https://community.kde.org/Frameworks/Porting_Notes but they are not
mentioned there.

Do you think these need to be mentioned in current porting notes as well
or have they been deprecated for long enough to consider them "over with"?



I would agree, these ones were probably just forgotten after the kdelibs split, and then couldn't be 
removed after the first KF5 release so as not to break BIC... etc. (Others who have been around 
longer will know for sure).




As for the location, I would probably start putting content in the
community wiki to a place like
https://community.kde.org/Frameworks/KF6_Porting_Notes. Does anyone see
a problem with that? Might is be better to write such docs in markdown
or restructured text for being better suited for a more modern location?



A wiki page is not most friendly way of editing huge technical documents. Personally, I think a 
markdown file in a git repo would be great, and then it can be "published" to a wiki page or a 
static web page on one of KDE's web sites. Or, we start with an markdown text file, then after it's 
fleshed out / polished, put it in the wiki, editing/adding a small section here or there would be 
easier. (But I do prefer text files, much easier to edit in my usual editor of choice).


FWIW, there is supposed to be a KF6 meeting soon[1]. Not sure if we'll start this week or the next 
one though.


[1] https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-frameworks-devel/2021-July/118028.html



Thanks!

Cheers,
Frederik




--
Ahmad Samir


Porting notes / deprecation docs

2021-07-10 Thread Frederik Schwarzer

Hi,

as mentioned earlier, I would like to document classes/methods/etc that 
are going to be deprecated during KF6 development.


For that I scraped up all the deprecation macros from the frameworks and 
edited them to be more unified.


Now I need some opinions.

For once, there is still some stuff in deprecation from KDE4 times.
E.g. void setDoScanFile(bool scanFile); from kiowidgets.

I looked up a few of them in 
https://community.kde.org/Frameworks/Porting_Notes but they are not 
mentioned there.


Do you think these need to be mentioned in current porting notes as well 
or have they been deprecated for long enough to consider them "over with"?



As for the location, I would probably start putting content in the 
community wiki to a place like 
https://community.kde.org/Frameworks/KF6_Porting_Notes. Does anyone see 
a problem with that? Might is be better to write such docs in markdown 
or restructured text for being better suited for a more modern location?



Thanks!

Cheers,
Frederik