Re: [Kicad-developers] KiCad talk at FOSDEM

[Marco Ciampa]

On Mon, Feb 05, 2018 at 11:00:41PM -0800, Ouabache Designworks wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 10:52 PM, Carsten Schoenert 
> wrote:
> 
> > Am 06.02.2018 um 07:15 schrieb Andrey Kuznetsov:
> > > KiCad is open source.
> >
> > That doesn't prevents you from being trapped by patent trolls etc. So
> > the concerns of Ouabache Designworks becomes more serious that KiCad is
> > getting more popular.
> >
> > > Last thing we need is to spend resources on legalize and trademark shit
> > > we give away.
> >
> > Sure, such work nobody really needs or want.
> > But the more KiCad is growing the more there is a need to keep all the
> > various corners together in e efficient way. And this will taking
> > resources mostly at a time you don't want to spend energy on it. So it's
> > not a bad thing to think about possible problems in the future now.
> >
> > --
> > Regards
> > Carsten Schoenert
> >
> Yes, Look at the Risc-v folks. They are open source but they have a
> non-profit foundation set up
> to deal with vision,managing ,fund raising etc. The Kicad name is becoming
> valuable and you need
> to protect it.

Software fundations are born exactly for this reason. We may ask to FSF
(or FSFE) and I am sure they will be more than happy to help us. The
alternative is to create one by ourselves but, due to our small footprint
I hardly think it is something we can manage...

Here you can find a list:

http://flossfoundations.org/foundation-directory

Another due action IMHO is to register the KiCad TM, as Linus was once
forced to do with Linux.

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Re: [Kicad-developers] KiCad talk at FOSDEM

[Ouabache Designworks]

On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 10:52 PM, Carsten Schoenert 
wrote:

> Am 06.02.2018 um 07:15 schrieb Andrey Kuznetsov:
> > KiCad is open source.
>
> That doesn't prevents you from being trapped by patent trolls etc. So
> the concerns of Ouabache Designworks becomes more serious that KiCad is
> getting more popular.
>
> > Last thing we need is to spend resources on legalize and trademark shit
> > we give away.
>
> Sure, such work nobody really needs or want.
> But the more KiCad is growing the more there is a need to keep all the
> various corners together in e efficient way. And this will taking
> resources mostly at a time you don't want to spend energy on it. So it's
> not a bad thing to think about possible problems in the future now.
>
> --
> Regards
> Carsten Schoenert
>
> Yes, Look at the Risc-v folks. They are open source but they have a
non-profit foundation set up
to deal with vision,managing ,fund raising etc. The Kicad name is becoming
valuable and you need
to protect it.


John Eaton
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Re: [Kicad-developers] KiCad talk at FOSDEM

[Carsten Schoenert]

Am 06.02.2018 um 07:15 schrieb Andrey Kuznetsov:
> KiCad is open source.

That doesn't prevents you from being trapped by patent trolls etc. So
the concerns of Ouabache Designworks becomes more serious that KiCad is
getting more popular.

> Last thing we need is to spend resources on legalize and trademark shit
> we give away.

Sure, such work nobody really needs or want.
But the more KiCad is growing the more there is a need to keep all the
various corners together in e efficient way. And this will taking
resources mostly at a time you don't want to spend energy on it. So it's
not a bad thing to think about possible problems in the future now.

-- 
Regards
Carsten Schoenert

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Re: [Kicad-developers] KiCad talk at FOSDEM

[Andrey Kuznetsov]

KiCad is open source.

Last thing we need is to spend resources on legalize and trademark shit we
give away.

On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 6:43 PM, Ouabache Designworks 
wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 2:30 PM, Wayne Stambaugh 
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you everyone for the feedback.  Unfortunately I only have 20
>> minutes for my talk so I have to fit in what I can.  I could easily have
>> filled up a 1 hour talk and still needed more time.  I actually spend most
>> of my time talking about KiCad outside of my presentation.  At 7PM last
>> night I was talking to the LibreSpace[1] project and found out there is a
>> board designed with KiCad orbiting earth.  How awesome is that!  It's more
>> fun for me to see all of the great things users are doing with KiCad.  I
>> think that's more
>>
>>
>>
> Perhaps we need to push for a meeting format that better meets our needs
> rather than try to shoe horn into an existing slot.
>
> My main concern about the donation amount is that at some point kicad will
> be big enough to need a some what more formal
> legal presence. Form a non-profit with a board of directors so you can do
> things like hold trademarks and sue people. We may
> have reached that point already. It is the last thing most developers want
> to deal with but otherwise you become a easy target.
>
> John Eaton
>
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Re: [Kicad-developers] KiCad talk at FOSDEM

[Ouabache Designworks]

On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 2:30 PM, Wayne Stambaugh 
wrote:

> Thank you everyone for the feedback.  Unfortunately I only have 20 minutes
> for my talk so I have to fit in what I can.  I could easily have filled up
> a 1 hour talk and still needed more time.  I actually spend most of my time
> talking about KiCad outside of my presentation.  At 7PM last night I was
> talking to the LibreSpace[1] project and found out there is a board
> designed with KiCad orbiting earth.  How awesome is that!  It's more fun
> for me to see all of the great things users are doing with KiCad.  I think
> that's more
>
>
>
Perhaps we need to push for a meeting format that better meets our needs
rather than try to shoe horn into an existing slot.

My main concern about the donation amount is that at some point kicad will
be big enough to need a some what more formal
legal presence. Form a non-profit with a board of directors so you can do
things like hold trademarks and sue people. We may
have reached that point already. It is the last thing most developers want
to deal with but otherwise you become a easy target.

John Eaton
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Re: [Kicad-developers] Schematic symbol chooser clarification

[Diego Herranz]

I can relate to this issue. It happened to me as well and I thought my
library setup wasn't right. Then I found out it was showing power symbols
only.

+1 to make it more evident. At least changing the dialog title?

Thanks,
Diego

On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 1:22 PM, kristoffer Ödmark <
kristofferodmar...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Yeah, that to adds to the confusion. I think maybe coherency should be one
> of the main goal for v6.
>
>
> On 2018-02-05 13:25, Marco Ciampa wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Feb 05, 2018 at 01:10:08PM +0100, kristoffer Ödmark wrote:
>>
>>> Hey!
>>>
>>> I just spent some time trying to "debug" a library non-issue with a EE
>>> switching from Altium for a test. He had added the libraries correctly,
>>> and
>>> they showed up. But everytime he tried adding a symbol to the schematic,
>>> no
>>> symbols was there. We sent pictures back and forth, and indeed the
>>> libraries
>>> added, but did not show up.
>>>
>>> To make a long hassle short, turns out the shortcut "P" is used to place
>>> symbols in Altium, but to place Power symbols in kicad.
>>> This is not an issue, however, there is no indication at all that the
>>> symbol
>>> chooser is actually filtered or limited when using the shortcut key.
>>>
>>> I think there could be benefits of adding some kind of visualization to
>>> the
>>> symbol chooser that the list is limited to only power symbols, maybe just
>>> changing the window title to something like "Choose Power Symbol" or the
>>> more general term of adding the filter to the window name. Let me know
>>> what
>>> you think
>>>
>> Also when you place a power symbol, the dialog shows normal symbols in
>> the history list, and it also permits to insert these symbols even if
>> they are not power symbols... that to me seems incoherent...
>>
>>
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Re: [Kicad-developers] KiCad talk at FOSDEM

[Wayne Stambaugh]

Thank you everyone for the feedback.  Unfortunately I only have 20 
minutes for my talk so I have to fit in what I can.  I could easily have 
filled up a 1 hour talk and still needed more time.  I actually spend 
most of my time talking about KiCad outside of my presentation.  At 7PM 
last night I was talking to the LibreSpace[1] project and found out 
there is a board designed with KiCad orbiting earth.  How awesome is 
that!  It's more fun for me to see all of the great things users are 
doing with KiCad.  I think that's more



[1]:https://libre.space/

On 02/05/2018 01:24 AM, Andrey Kuznetsov wrote:

The talk is now up!


Note to Wayne,

You need to present KiCad's new features 3 times and explain each 
feature in detail, ie no rushing.
You also need to teach 3 groups of people at different times how to use 
KiCad.


I think you'll find a lot more "Note to self" improvements tat you 
stumbled into while giving the talk :D


On Sun, Feb 4, 2018 at 9:50 PM, Seth Hillbrand > wrote:


Well done Wayne.  Excellent talk and congrats on the DigiKey donation!




2018-02-04 12:13 GMT-08:00 Piotr Esden-Tempski >:

haha! it is! Well I guess I rewatch the talk from last year
first to get ready for the one from this year… to try to reverse
the confusion I might have caused this is the link again to the
archive where the video should appear eventually:
https://video.fosdem.org/2018/K.4.201/




On Feb 4, 2018, at 12:08 PM, Nick Østergaard
> wrote:

Hold on. That looks like the one from last year.

Den 4. feb. 2018 9.05 PM skrev "Piotr Esden-Tempski"
>:

Thank you Wayne! The video seems to have been transcoded
already and I can see it on the event page:
https://archive.fosdem.org/2017/schedule/event/kicad_status/


Now I am off to watch your talk! :D

Cheers,
Piotr


On Feb 4, 2018, at 11:45 AM, Wayne Stambaugh
> wrote:

I just reviewed and approved it so it will get
trans-coded to high quality and uploaded to the FOSDEM
videos section as soon as it is complete.  I'm not sure
how long this will take so it may be a day or so.  If I
left your favorite feature out, it was not on purpose. 
With only 20 minutes, I was really pressed for time. 
Once again it was standing room only and we were likely

violating every fire code in Brussels.  I'll fill
everyone in with more information late next week. I've
got to decompress from the whirlwind of activity that
comes along with FOSDEM and get caught up with me email
backlog.

Cheers,

Wayne

On 02/03/2018 04:28 PM, Piotr Esden-Tempski wrote:

I assume that the recordings will eventually appear. I
guess you will be able to find it here:
https://video.fosdem.org/2018/K.4.201/
 eventually.
I can’t wait to see the talk too, it was in the middle
of the night for me so I will have to wait for the
archive video to be published. :D
Cheers,
Piotr

On Feb 3, 2018, at 7:49 AM, eldar.khayrullin

>> wrote:

Oppps, I missed this one. Are any video records?

 Исходное сообщение 
От: Maciej Suminski 
>>
Дата: 03.02.18 16:08 (GMT+03:00)
Кому: Kicad Developers

>>
Тема: [Kicad-developers] KiCad talk at FOSDEM

Just to let you know: Wayne's talk about KiCad [1]
starts at 14:30 CET
(in ~30 minutes).

Cheers,
Orson

1. https://fosdem.org/2018/schedule/event/cad_kicad_v5/


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Re: [Kicad-developers] Schematic symbol chooser clarification

[Andrey Kuznetsov]

I think this should be fixed before final v5.0 release!

On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 5:22 AM kristoffer Ödmark <
kristofferodmar...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Yeah, that to adds to the confusion. I think maybe coherency should be
> one of the main goal for v6.
>
>
> On 2018-02-05 13:25, Marco Ciampa wrote:
> > On Mon, Feb 05, 2018 at 01:10:08PM +0100, kristoffer Ödmark wrote:
> >> Hey!
> >>
> >> I just spent some time trying to "debug" a library non-issue with a EE
> >> switching from Altium for a test. He had added the libraries correctly,
> and
> >> they showed up. But everytime he tried adding a symbol to the
> schematic, no
> >> symbols was there. We sent pictures back and forth, and indeed the
> libraries
> >> added, but did not show up.
> >>
> >> To make a long hassle short, turns out the shortcut "P" is used to place
> >> symbols in Altium, but to place Power symbols in kicad.
> >> This is not an issue, however, there is no indication at all that the
> symbol
> >> chooser is actually filtered or limited when using the shortcut key.
> >>
> >> I think there could be benefits of adding some kind of visualization to
> the
> >> symbol chooser that the list is limited to only power symbols, maybe
> just
> >> changing the window title to something like "Choose Power Symbol" or the
> >> more general term of adding the filter to the window name. Let me know
> what
> >> you think
> > Also when you place a power symbol, the dialog shows normal symbols in
> > the history list, and it also permits to insert these symbols even if
> > they are not power symbols... that to me seems incoherent...
> >
>
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Re: [Kicad-developers] Another performance patch....

[Wayne Stambaugh]

What happens when footprint library file is modified outside the 
fp-lib-table?  At one point you could change the footprint library file 
without performing the file write through the fp-lib-table and the next 
time you accessed the library, it would recognize the file was modified 
and reload the cache.  Please make sure this behavior is not broken.


On 02/05/2018 04:51 PM, Jeff Young wrote:
wxWidgets should return Now() which will make the checksums not match 
and trigger a reload.


Of course what actually happens is that wxWidgets asserts. ;)

New patch on the way….

Cheers,
Jeff.

On 5 Feb 2018, at 21:42, Seth Hillbrand > wrote:


Jeff-

Will removing a footprint library trigger a refresh?  Or will that 
mess up the checksum calculation?


-S

2018-02-05 13:04 GMT-08:00 Jeff Young >:


This one for Place Footprint (specifically the List All dialog
found therein).

On my machine it knocks the first-use time from 4s to 3s and the
subsequent-use time from 2.5s to 1s.

Cheers,
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Re: [Kicad-developers] KiCad talk at FOSDEM

[Andrey Kuznetsov]

It actually makes sense for Digikey to encourage development of KiCad since
a lot more people would be encouraged to build gadgets and thus need
components which they'd likely buy from Digikey in the US.

Enable the user to build things, and they'll come buy your inventory of
parts.

On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 1:35 PM, Wayne Stambaugh 
wrote:

> I am not at liberty to discuss the amount other than it was the single
> largest donation in KiCad's history.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Wayne
>
>
> On 02/05/2018 11:43 AM, Ouabache Designworks wrote:
>
>> Good talk.
>>
>> Wayne mentioned a significant contribution from Digi-Key, Is this one of
>> those secret contributions or can you tell us how big the check was?
>>
>> John Eaton
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Kicad-developers] KiCad talk at FOSDEM

[Wayne Stambaugh]

Adam,

I was there two week ago!  That's how this all came to fruition.  I 
didn't realize you were in the area.  Ironically, your name did come up 
in the conversation.  I agree with your assessment about Digi-Key being 
an impressive operation but it is a bit off the beaten path in Thief 
River Falls.  If they invite me up there again, I will let you know.


Cheers,

Wayne

On 02/05/2018 04:38 PM, Adam Wolf wrote:

If anyone comes up to Minnesota to visit Digikey (which I highly
recommend if you are ever in the area as it is an extremely impressive
operation)..  I'm in Minneapolis, which isn't terribly close to
Digikey, but let me know and we can grab coffee or lunch or something
and chat KiCad :)

On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 3:35 PM, Wayne Stambaugh  wrote:

I am not at liberty to discuss the amount other than it was the single
largest donation in KiCad's history.

Cheers,

Wayne


On 02/05/2018 11:43 AM, Ouabache Designworks wrote:


Good talk.

Wayne mentioned a significant contribution from Digi-Key, Is this one of
those secret contributions or can you tell us how big the check was?

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Re: [Kicad-developers] Another performance patch....

[Jeff Young]

wxWidgets should return Now() which will make the checksums not match and 
trigger a reload.

Of course what actually happens is that wxWidgets asserts. ;)

New patch on the way….

Cheers,
Jeff.

> On 5 Feb 2018, at 21:42, Seth Hillbrand  wrote:
> 
> Jeff-
> 
> Will removing a footprint library trigger a refresh?  Or will that mess up 
> the checksum calculation?
> 
> -S
> 
> 2018-02-05 13:04 GMT-08:00 Jeff Young  >:
> This one for Place Footprint (specifically the List All dialog found therein).
> 
> On my machine it knocks the first-use time from 4s to 3s and the 
> subsequent-use time from 2.5s to 1s.
> 
> Cheers,
> Jeff.
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Re: [Kicad-developers] Another performance patch....

[Seth Hillbrand]

Jeff-

Will removing a footprint library trigger a refresh?  Or will that mess up
the checksum calculation?

-S

2018-02-05 13:04 GMT-08:00 Jeff Young :

> This one for Place Footprint (specifically the List All dialog found
> therein).
>
> On my machine it knocks the first-use time from 4s to 3s and the
> subsequent-use time from 2.5s to 1s.
>
> Cheers,
> Jeff.
>
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Re: [Kicad-developers] KiCad talk at FOSDEM

[Adam Wolf]

If anyone comes up to Minnesota to visit Digikey (which I highly
recommend if you are ever in the area as it is an extremely impressive
operation)..  I'm in Minneapolis, which isn't terribly close to
Digikey, but let me know and we can grab coffee or lunch or something
and chat KiCad :)

On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 3:35 PM, Wayne Stambaugh  wrote:
> I am not at liberty to discuss the amount other than it was the single
> largest donation in KiCad's history.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Wayne
>
>
> On 02/05/2018 11:43 AM, Ouabache Designworks wrote:
>>
>> Good talk.
>>
>> Wayne mentioned a significant contribution from Digi-Key, Is this one of
>> those secret contributions or can you tell us how big the check was?
>>
>> John Eaton
>>
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Re: [Kicad-developers] KiCad talk at FOSDEM

[Wayne Stambaugh]

I am not at liberty to discuss the amount other than it was the single 
largest donation in KiCad's history.


Cheers,

Wayne

On 02/05/2018 11:43 AM, Ouabache Designworks wrote:

Good talk.

Wayne mentioned a significant contribution from Digi-Key, Is this one of 
those secret contributions or can you tell us how big the check was?


John Eaton




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[Kicad-developers] Another performance patch....

[Jeff Young]

This one for Place Footprint (specifically the List All dialog found therein).

On my machine it knocks the first-use time from 4s to 3s and the subsequent-use 
time from 2.5s to 1s.

Cheers,
Jeff.



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Re: [Kicad-developers] KiCad talk at FOSDEM

[Ouabache Designworks]

Good talk.

Wayne mentioned a significant contribution from Digi-Key, Is this one of
those secret contributions or can you tell us how big the check was?

John Eaton
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Re: [Kicad-developers] [PATCH] Add a menu item to save a project under a new name.

[Russell Oliver]

Yeah, I realized this after a sent the patch in, though I think it also
calls into question the logic behind the archive project function. Though I
am surprised about the sub directory files problem.

I do think it's an important feature to have though, so any help from
anyone would be appreciated.

Kind Regards
Russell


On 6 Feb 2018 03:18, "jp charras"  wrote:

Le 05/02/2018 à 06:07, Russell Oliver a écrit :
> Copies project files into a new directory with the project name replaced
in each file name if
> preset. Uses the same set of extensions as the archive project feature to
filter the files.
>

Hi Russel,

I tested your patch, but it does not work very well:
- subdirectories are not duplicated. Instead of, the files inside subdirs
are copied to the new root
dir.
- lib tables are not copied.

There is also a problem with libraries inside the project (like a rescue
lib)
They are renamed, but lib tables should be modified, according to the
renaming.

This is a tricky problem.

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Re: [Kicad-developers] [PATCH] Add a menu item to save a project under a new name.

[jp charras]

Le 05/02/2018 à 06:07, Russell Oliver a écrit :
> Copies project files into a new directory with the project name replaced in 
> each file name if
> preset. Uses the same set of extensions as the archive project feature to 
> filter the files. 
> 

Hi Russel,

I tested your patch, but it does not work very well:
- subdirectories are not duplicated. Instead of, the files inside subdirs are 
copied to the new root
dir.
- lib tables are not copied.

There is also a problem with libraries inside the project (like a rescue lib)
They are renamed, but lib tables should be modified, according to the renaming.

This is a tricky problem.

-- 
Jean-Pierre CHARRAS

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Re: [Kicad-developers] Schematic symbol chooser clarification

[kristoffer Ödmark]

Yeah, that to adds to the confusion. I think maybe coherency should be 
one of the main goal for v6.



On 2018-02-05 13:25, Marco Ciampa wrote:

On Mon, Feb 05, 2018 at 01:10:08PM +0100, kristoffer Ödmark wrote:

Hey!

I just spent some time trying to "debug" a library non-issue with a EE
switching from Altium for a test. He had added the libraries correctly, and
they showed up. But everytime he tried adding a symbol to the schematic, no
symbols was there. We sent pictures back and forth, and indeed the libraries
added, but did not show up.

To make a long hassle short, turns out the shortcut "P" is used to place
symbols in Altium, but to place Power symbols in kicad.
This is not an issue, however, there is no indication at all that the symbol
chooser is actually filtered or limited when using the shortcut key.

I think there could be benefits of adding some kind of visualization to the
symbol chooser that the list is limited to only power symbols, maybe just
changing the window title to something like "Choose Power Symbol" or the
more general term of adding the filter to the window name. Let me know what
you think

Also when you place a power symbol, the dialog shows normal symbols in
the history list, and it also permits to insert these symbols even if
they are not power symbols... that to me seems incoherent...




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Re: [Kicad-developers] [PATCH] Allow low-cost reordering of view layers (for Gerber X2 sorting)

[Jon Evans]

Interesting, I will have to boot up my windows machine and see if I have
the same result.

Thanks for testing!

Jon

On Feb 5, 2018 04:56, "jp charras"  wrote:

> Le 04/02/2018 à 22:44, Jon Evans a écrit :
> > As JP has noted, the "sort layers by X2 attributes" feature is really
> slow in GAL mode when you are
> > looking at a complicated set of Gerber files.
> >
> > This is because there was previously no way to swap around data between
> layer IDs without removing
> > and re-adding that data.
> >
> > The attached patch implements a reordering mechanism and speeds up the
> X2 sorting by ~20x on my machine.
> >
> > JP/Orson/others, please take a look and let me know if you have any
> concerns with it.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jon
>
> Hi Jon,
>
> I tested the patch on W7 -32 bits.
>
> Unfortunately, it does not work as expected:
>
> I loaded 2 Gerber files and switch from Cairo to OpenGL (reorder X2
> command gives similar results):
> current version (without patch): calculation time 12 to 15 seconds
> with patch: calculation time about 2 minutes.
>
>
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Re: [Kicad-developers] Schematic symbol chooser clarification

[Marco Ciampa]

On Mon, Feb 05, 2018 at 01:10:08PM +0100, kristoffer Ödmark wrote:
> Hey!
> 
> I just spent some time trying to "debug" a library non-issue with a EE
> switching from Altium for a test. He had added the libraries correctly, and
> they showed up. But everytime he tried adding a symbol to the schematic, no
> symbols was there. We sent pictures back and forth, and indeed the libraries
> added, but did not show up.
> 
> To make a long hassle short, turns out the shortcut "P" is used to place
> symbols in Altium, but to place Power symbols in kicad.
> This is not an issue, however, there is no indication at all that the symbol
> chooser is actually filtered or limited when using the shortcut key.
> 
> I think there could be benefits of adding some kind of visualization to the
> symbol chooser that the list is limited to only power symbols, maybe just
> changing the window title to something like "Choose Power Symbol" or the
> more general term of adding the filter to the window name. Let me know what
> you think

Also when you place a power symbol, the dialog shows normal symbols in
the history list, and it also permits to insert these symbols even if
they are not power symbols... that to me seems incoherent...

-- 


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[Kicad-developers] Schematic symbol chooser clarification

[kristoffer Ödmark]

Hey!

I just spent some time trying to "debug" a library non-issue with a EE 
switching from Altium for a test. He had added the libraries correctly, 
and they showed up. But everytime he tried adding a symbol to the 
schematic, no symbols was there. We sent pictures back and forth, and 
indeed the libraries added, but did not show up.


To make a long hassle short, turns out the shortcut "P" is used to place 
symbols in Altium, but to place Power symbols in kicad.
This is not an issue, however, there is no indication at all that the 
symbol chooser is actually filtered or limited when using the shortcut key.


I think there could be benefits of adding some kind of visualization to 
the symbol chooser that the list is limited to only power symbols, maybe 
just changing the window title to something like "Choose Power Symbol" 
or the more general term of adding the filter to the window name. Let me 
know what you think


- Kristoffer


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Re: [Kicad-developers] [PATCH] Allow low-cost reordering of view layers (for Gerber X2 sorting)

[jp charras]

Le 04/02/2018 à 22:44, Jon Evans a écrit :
> As JP has noted, the "sort layers by X2 attributes" feature is really slow in 
> GAL mode when you are
> looking at a complicated set of Gerber files.
> 
> This is because there was previously no way to swap around data between layer 
> IDs without removing
> and re-adding that data.
> 
> The attached patch implements a reordering mechanism and speeds up the X2 
> sorting by ~20x on my machine.
> 
> JP/Orson/others, please take a look and let me know if you have any concerns 
> with it.
> 
> Thanks,
> Jon

Hi Jon,

I tested the patch on W7 -32 bits.

Unfortunately, it does not work as expected:

I loaded 2 Gerber files and switch from Cairo to OpenGL (reorder X2 command 
gives similar results):
current version (without patch): calculation time 12 to 15 seconds
with patch: calculation time about 2 minutes.


-- 
Jean-Pierre CHARRAS

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