Re: [Kicad-developers] Selection highlighting changes.

[Wayne Stambaugh]

Hey Seth,

I tested this on gtk3 and MSW and the default highlight color was a bit
too subtle.  I didn't notice much of a difference between the Cairo and
OpenGL canvases.  I will definitely need to use a more noticeable color
on my system.  I don't know if it's just my video card/monitor
combination that is the issue so others may notice the same thing I am.
 We can change it if too many other users are seeing what I am.

Cheers,

Wayne

On 9/5/2019 10:24 AM, Seth Hillbrand wrote:
> Hi Wayne-
> 
> Have a look at the new default gtk color. I think it shows up well but
> we can always adjust.
> 
> -Seth
> 
> On Sep 5, 2019 5:07 AM, Wayne Stambaugh  wrote:
> 
> I would prefer that we pick a more obvious color out of the box.  Under
> certain zoom conditions it's difficult to tell if anything is even
> selected on gtk3.  Users could make it more subtle if they find it too
> obnoxious.  I think that would be better than a bug report about
> selection highlighting not working.
> 
> Wayne
> 
> On 9/4/19 7:24 PM, Seth Hillbrand wrote:
> > Oh, that's right.  We had been taking the color from system
> preferences
> > but this did not show up correctly on schematic sheets that were
> not the
> > system window color.  Allowing for customization fixes this but the
> > coloring is very light.  It apparently looks correct on Mac but is
> very
> > washed out under GTK3.  I've added a conditional for the defaults
> that
> > sets GTK/MSW values to the ones that seem appropriate on GTK3.  We
> may
> > want an additional default value for MSW if it similarly appears off.
> >
> > -S
> >
> > On 2019-09-04 18:12, Jeff Young wrote:
> >> The colour is in Preferences now; see if it’s just too washed out on
> >> your monitor.
> >>
> >>> On 4 Sep 2019, at 22:35, Seth Hillbrand  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I'm working on one (slowly) but it hasn't been pushed. GTK3 in the
> >>> master branch looks normal for me.
> >>>
> >>> Does it look the same in OpenGL and Cairo?
> >>>
> >>> _Seth
> >>>
> >>> On 2019-09-04 15:36, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
>  Was there a change recently to the selection highlighting in
> Eeschema?
>  I can barely see any difference between the selected and
> unselected
>  objects.  If there has not been changes then something needs to
> be done
>  about the highlighting on gtk3 builds on linux.  I thought I would
>  check
>  before I filed a bug report.
>  Cheers,
>  Wayne
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Re: [Kicad-developers] Selection highlighting changes.

[Seth Hillbrand]

Hi Wayne-Have a look at the new default gtk color. I think it shows up well but we can always adjust.-SethOn Sep 5, 2019 5:07 AM, Wayne Stambaugh  wrote:I would prefer that we pick a more obvious color out of the box.  Under
certain zoom conditions it's difficult to tell if anything is even
selected on gtk3.  Users could make it more subtle if they find it too
obnoxious.  I think that would be better than a bug report about
selection highlighting not working.

Wayne

On 9/4/19 7:24 PM, Seth Hillbrand wrote:
> Oh, that's right.  We had been taking the color from system preferences
> but this did not show up correctly on schematic sheets that were not the
> system window color.  Allowing for customization fixes this but the
> coloring is very light.  It apparently looks correct on Mac but is very
> washed out under GTK3.  I've added a conditional for the defaults that
> sets GTK/MSW values to the ones that seem appropriate on GTK3.  We may
> want an additional default value for MSW if it similarly appears off.
> 
> -S
> 
> On 2019-09-04 18:12, Jeff Young wrote:
>> The colour is in Preferences now; see if it’s just too washed out on
>> your monitor.
>>
>>> On 4 Sep 2019, at 22:35, Seth Hillbrand  wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm working on one (slowly) but it hasn't been pushed. GTK3 in the
>>> master branch looks normal for me.
>>>
>>> Does it look the same in OpenGL and Cairo?
>>>
>>> _Seth
>>>
>>> On 2019-09-04 15:36, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
 Was there a change recently to the selection highlighting in Eeschema?
 I can barely see any difference between the selected and unselected
 objects.  If there has not been changes then something needs to be done
 about the highlighting on gtk3 builds on linux.  I thought I would
 check
 before I filed a bug report.
 Cheers,
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Re: [Kicad-developers] Selection highlighting changes.

[Jonatan Liljedahl]

On Thu, Sep 5, 2019 at 3:20 PM Jeff Young  wrote:
>
> That was tried, but there were complaints that you then lose the differential 
> colouring between different items.  (And it makes selections look just like 
> highlighting — and there’s enough confusion there already.)

I'm not sure I understand the need for differential coloring inside
the selection highlight?
Highlighting nets are purple/pink, cross-probing is red, selection
could be some other bright color.

Another alternative would be to use the new halo but with clean sharp
edges instead of the fading-out / glow (which IMHO looks a bit
unprofessional).
I attach a crude mockup of what I mean..


> Cheers,
> Jeff.
>
>
> > On 5 Sep 2019, at 14:05, Jonatan Liljedahl  wrote:
> >
> > Personally, I'd much more prefer it like this (see attached screenshot) :)
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 5, 2019 at 2:07 PM Wayne Stambaugh  wrote:
> >>
> >> I would prefer that we pick a more obvious color out of the box.  Under
> >> certain zoom conditions it's difficult to tell if anything is even
> >> selected on gtk3.  Users could make it more subtle if they find it too
> >> obnoxious.  I think that would be better than a bug report about
> >> selection highlighting not working.
> >>
> >> Wayne
> >>
> >> On 9/4/19 7:24 PM, Seth Hillbrand wrote:
> >>> Oh, that's right.  We had been taking the color from system preferences
> >>> but this did not show up correctly on schematic sheets that were not the
> >>> system window color.  Allowing for customization fixes this but the
> >>> coloring is very light.  It apparently looks correct on Mac but is very
> >>> washed out under GTK3.  I've added a conditional for the defaults that
> >>> sets GTK/MSW values to the ones that seem appropriate on GTK3.  We may
> >>> want an additional default value for MSW if it similarly appears off.
> >>>
> >>> -S
> >>>
> >>> On 2019-09-04 18:12, Jeff Young wrote:
>  The colour is in Preferences now; see if it’s just too washed out on
>  your monitor.
> 
> > On 4 Sep 2019, at 22:35, Seth Hillbrand  wrote:
> >
> > I'm working on one (slowly) but it hasn't been pushed. GTK3 in the
> > master branch looks normal for me.
> >
> > Does it look the same in OpenGL and Cairo?
> >
> > _Seth
> >
> > On 2019-09-04 15:36, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
> >> Was there a change recently to the selection highlighting in Eeschema?
> >> I can barely see any difference between the selected and unselected
> >> objects.  If there has not been changes then something needs to be done
> >> about the highlighting on gtk3 builds on linux.  I thought I would
> >> check
> >> before I filed a bug report.
> >> Cheers,
> >> Wayne
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Re: [Kicad-developers] Selection highlighting changes.

[Jeff Young]

That was tried, but there were complaints that you then lose the differential 
colouring between different items.  (And it makes selections look just like 
highlighting — and there’s enough confusion there already.)

Cheers,
Jeff.


> On 5 Sep 2019, at 14:05, Jonatan Liljedahl  wrote:
> 
> Personally, I'd much more prefer it like this (see attached screenshot) :)
> 
> On Thu, Sep 5, 2019 at 2:07 PM Wayne Stambaugh  wrote:
>> 
>> I would prefer that we pick a more obvious color out of the box.  Under
>> certain zoom conditions it's difficult to tell if anything is even
>> selected on gtk3.  Users could make it more subtle if they find it too
>> obnoxious.  I think that would be better than a bug report about
>> selection highlighting not working.
>> 
>> Wayne
>> 
>> On 9/4/19 7:24 PM, Seth Hillbrand wrote:
>>> Oh, that's right.  We had been taking the color from system preferences
>>> but this did not show up correctly on schematic sheets that were not the
>>> system window color.  Allowing for customization fixes this but the
>>> coloring is very light.  It apparently looks correct on Mac but is very
>>> washed out under GTK3.  I've added a conditional for the defaults that
>>> sets GTK/MSW values to the ones that seem appropriate on GTK3.  We may
>>> want an additional default value for MSW if it similarly appears off.
>>> 
>>> -S
>>> 
>>> On 2019-09-04 18:12, Jeff Young wrote:
 The colour is in Preferences now; see if it’s just too washed out on
 your monitor.
 
> On 4 Sep 2019, at 22:35, Seth Hillbrand  wrote:
> 
> I'm working on one (slowly) but it hasn't been pushed. GTK3 in the
> master branch looks normal for me.
> 
> Does it look the same in OpenGL and Cairo?
> 
> _Seth
> 
> On 2019-09-04 15:36, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
>> Was there a change recently to the selection highlighting in Eeschema?
>> I can barely see any difference between the selected and unselected
>> objects.  If there has not been changes then something needs to be done
>> about the highlighting on gtk3 builds on linux.  I thought I would
>> check
>> before I filed a bug report.
>> Cheers,
>> Wayne
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Re: [Kicad-developers] Selection highlighting changes.

[Jonatan Liljedahl]

Personally, I'd much more prefer it like this (see attached screenshot) :)

On Thu, Sep 5, 2019 at 2:07 PM Wayne Stambaugh  wrote:
>
> I would prefer that we pick a more obvious color out of the box.  Under
> certain zoom conditions it's difficult to tell if anything is even
> selected on gtk3.  Users could make it more subtle if they find it too
> obnoxious.  I think that would be better than a bug report about
> selection highlighting not working.
>
> Wayne
>
> On 9/4/19 7:24 PM, Seth Hillbrand wrote:
> > Oh, that's right.  We had been taking the color from system preferences
> > but this did not show up correctly on schematic sheets that were not the
> > system window color.  Allowing for customization fixes this but the
> > coloring is very light.  It apparently looks correct on Mac but is very
> > washed out under GTK3.  I've added a conditional for the defaults that
> > sets GTK/MSW values to the ones that seem appropriate on GTK3.  We may
> > want an additional default value for MSW if it similarly appears off.
> >
> > -S
> >
> > On 2019-09-04 18:12, Jeff Young wrote:
> >> The colour is in Preferences now; see if it’s just too washed out on
> >> your monitor.
> >>
> >>> On 4 Sep 2019, at 22:35, Seth Hillbrand  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I'm working on one (slowly) but it hasn't been pushed. GTK3 in the
> >>> master branch looks normal for me.
> >>>
> >>> Does it look the same in OpenGL and Cairo?
> >>>
> >>> _Seth
> >>>
> >>> On 2019-09-04 15:36, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
>  Was there a change recently to the selection highlighting in Eeschema?
>  I can barely see any difference between the selected and unselected
>  objects.  If there has not been changes then something needs to be done
>  about the highlighting on gtk3 builds on linux.  I thought I would
>  check
>  before I filed a bug report.
>  Cheers,
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Re: [Kicad-developers] Selection highlighting changes.

[Wayne Stambaugh]

I would prefer that we pick a more obvious color out of the box.  Under
certain zoom conditions it's difficult to tell if anything is even
selected on gtk3.  Users could make it more subtle if they find it too
obnoxious.  I think that would be better than a bug report about
selection highlighting not working.

Wayne

On 9/4/19 7:24 PM, Seth Hillbrand wrote:
> Oh, that's right.  We had been taking the color from system preferences
> but this did not show up correctly on schematic sheets that were not the
> system window color.  Allowing for customization fixes this but the
> coloring is very light.  It apparently looks correct on Mac but is very
> washed out under GTK3.  I've added a conditional for the defaults that
> sets GTK/MSW values to the ones that seem appropriate on GTK3.  We may
> want an additional default value for MSW if it similarly appears off.
> 
> -S
> 
> On 2019-09-04 18:12, Jeff Young wrote:
>> The colour is in Preferences now; see if it’s just too washed out on
>> your monitor.
>>
>>> On 4 Sep 2019, at 22:35, Seth Hillbrand  wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm working on one (slowly) but it hasn't been pushed. GTK3 in the
>>> master branch looks normal for me.
>>>
>>> Does it look the same in OpenGL and Cairo?
>>>
>>> _Seth
>>>
>>> On 2019-09-04 15:36, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
 Was there a change recently to the selection highlighting in Eeschema?
 I can barely see any difference between the selected and unselected
 objects.  If there has not been changes then something needs to be done
 about the highlighting on gtk3 builds on linux.  I thought I would
 check
 before I filed a bug report.
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Re: [Kicad-developers] Selection highlighting changes.

[Seth Hillbrand]

Oh, that's right.  We had been taking the color from system preferences 
but this did not show up correctly on schematic sheets that were not the 
system window color.  Allowing for customization fixes this but the 
coloring is very light.  It apparently looks correct on Mac but is very 
washed out under GTK3.  I've added a conditional for the defaults that 
sets GTK/MSW values to the ones that seem appropriate on GTK3.  We may 
want an additional default value for MSW if it similarly appears off.


-S

On 2019-09-04 18:12, Jeff Young wrote:

The colour is in Preferences now; see if it’s just too washed out on
your monitor.


On 4 Sep 2019, at 22:35, Seth Hillbrand  wrote:

I'm working on one (slowly) but it hasn't been pushed. GTK3 in the 
master branch looks normal for me.


Does it look the same in OpenGL and Cairo?

_Seth

On 2019-09-04 15:36, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
Was there a change recently to the selection highlighting in 
Eeschema?

I can barely see any difference between the selected and unselected
objects.  If there has not been changes then something needs to be 
done
about the highlighting on gtk3 builds on linux.  I thought I would 
check

before I filed a bug report.
Cheers,
Wayne
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Re: [Kicad-developers] Selection highlighting changes.

[Jeff Young]

The colour is in Preferences now; see if it’s just too washed out on your 
monitor.

> On 4 Sep 2019, at 22:35, Seth Hillbrand  wrote:
> 
> I'm working on one (slowly) but it hasn't been pushed. GTK3 in the master 
> branch looks normal for me.
> 
> Does it look the same in OpenGL and Cairo?
> 
> _Seth
> 
> On 2019-09-04 15:36, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
>> Was there a change recently to the selection highlighting in Eeschema?
>> I can barely see any difference between the selected and unselected
>> objects.  If there has not been changes then something needs to be done
>> about the highlighting on gtk3 builds on linux.  I thought I would check
>> before I filed a bug report.
>> Cheers,
>> Wayne
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Re: [Kicad-developers] Selection highlighting changes.

[Seth Hillbrand]

I'm working on one (slowly) but it hasn't been pushed. GTK3 in the 
master branch looks normal for me.


Does it look the same in OpenGL and Cairo?

_Seth

On 2019-09-04 15:36, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:

Was there a change recently to the selection highlighting in Eeschema?
I can barely see any difference between the selected and unselected
objects.  If there has not been changes then something needs to be done
about the highlighting on gtk3 builds on linux.  I thought I would 
check

before I filed a bug report.

Cheers,

Wayne

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Re: [Kicad-developers] Selection Highlighting

[Jeff Young]

@Seth, can you post a video or some screen-shots?  Cairo and a Retina display 
are pretty much a non-starter.

Cheers,
Jeff.


> On 1 Sep 2019, at 17:13, Eeli Kaikkonen  wrote:
> 
> For everone's information - there was user discussion in the forum: 
> https://forum.kicad.info/t/selection-highlighting-in-development-version/18694
>  
> .
> 
> Eeli Kaikkonen
> 
> su 1. syysk. 2019 klo 6.32 Seth Hillbrand (s...@hillbrand.org 
> ) kirjoitti:
> Hi Jeff (and others interested)-
> 
> I pushed a proposal for blurring the eeschema selection highlighting to 
> my personal repo at [1].  Currently, I'm only blurring the Cairo 
> selections, so don't run this branch with OpenGL yet.
> 
> I really like the new eeschema halo-for-selection paradigm but it does 
> suffer for legibility issues on small text.  The blur of the halo fixes 
> this somewhat and gives the selection a smoother feel (imo).  If folks 
> like it, I'll write up some shaders for OpenGL to do the same.  The 
> performance doesn't seem bad on my machine, but I'd love additional 
> opinions/comments
> 
> Best-
> Seth
> 
> [1] 
> https://code.launchpad.net/~sethh/kicad/+git/kicad/+ref/blur_highlight 
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Re: [Kicad-developers] Selection Highlighting

[Eeli Kaikkonen]

For everone's information - there was user discussion in the forum:
https://forum.kicad.info/t/selection-highlighting-in-development-version/18694
.

Eeli Kaikkonen

su 1. syysk. 2019 klo 6.32 Seth Hillbrand (s...@hillbrand.org) kirjoitti:

> Hi Jeff (and others interested)-
>
> I pushed a proposal for blurring the eeschema selection highlighting to
> my personal repo at [1].  Currently, I'm only blurring the Cairo
> selections, so don't run this branch with OpenGL yet.
>
> I really like the new eeschema halo-for-selection paradigm but it does
> suffer for legibility issues on small text.  The blur of the halo fixes
> this somewhat and gives the selection a smoother feel (imo).  If folks
> like it, I'll write up some shaders for OpenGL to do the same.  The
> performance doesn't seem bad on my machine, but I'd love additional
> opinions/comments
>
> Best-
> Seth
>
> [1]
> https://code.launchpad.net/~sethh/kicad/+git/kicad/+ref/blur_highlight
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