[Koha] Switching from Other Library Software to Koha
Hi, I have just joined this email list to see if anyone has transferred from the library software AccessIt to Koha. Our school has been looking at Koha for a while and it looks like very powerful and customisable library software. The biggest hesitation we have in switching over is how to get our current catalog imported into Koha. We currently have around 10,000 books in our library and we certainly don't want to start from scratch having to enter them all again. Has anyone else transferred their catalog from AccessIt or a similar system? Cheers, Ben Doughney ICT Manager Mission Heights Schools Ph (09) 277 7881, Fx (09) 277 7883 PO Box 64 448, Botany Town Centre, Auckland 2016 Please consider the environment before printing this email. ___ Koha mailing list http://koha-community.org Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
Re: [Koha] RDA questions WAS: Re: Flippin' Yanks
At 05:41 PM 10/7/2013 +0100, Elaine Bradtke wrote:
[snip]
We're not implementing it because we can't afford a subscription to
the documentation to even see if it will work for us.
Agreed -- it's not in my budget either. $355 to find out what? A committee
changes its mind, another $355 ...
My "national library" states: "RDA has many of the strengths of AACR2 but
its new features will make it more useful for description in the digital
environment."
Our charitable purpose is to maintain a *paper* copy library [1], and while
Captain Kirk's "to go where no man has gone before" is admirable (albeit
sexist, Captain Janeway notwithstanding), and that MARC might be considered
a fifty year old patchwork quilt, we will only contemplate new fields that
are compatible with what we have.
Best -- Paul
[1] my definition of a library, based on cuneiform tablets being assembled
in groups ("libraries") nearly 5,000 years ago, compared with Kindle et al.
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Re: [Koha] Koha 3.12 installation problem
Viviane Ventura schreef op ma 07-10-2013 om 11:19 [-0300]: > #apt-get remove koha-common Try apt-get purge koha-common That makes it forget everything it knows about what might be installed, there is some apt magic around config files that is possibly getting in your way. Also try the --reinstall like I mentioned in the other email. -- Robin Sheat Catalyst IT Ltd. ✆ +64 4 803 2204 GPG: 5FA7 4B49 1E4D CAA4 4C38 8505 77F5 B724 F871 3BDF ___ Koha mailing list http://koha-community.org Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
Re: [Koha] Kohacon 2014 in Córdoba, Argentina
Yay - congratulations Argentina. When we made the Koha back in the day, we watched the downloads start as the sun tracked around the globe; from memory I believe Argentina was the first country outside of NZ to get Koha up and running :) (I'm sure Chris will correct me if I'm wrong ;) ) Well done. J -Original Message- From: koha-boun...@lists.katipo.co.nz [mailto:koha-boun...@lists.katipo.co.nz] On Behalf Of Tomas Cohen Arazi Sent: Tuesday, 8 October 2013 1:38 a.m. To: Mirko Cc: koha; Olugbenga Adara; koha-devel Subject: Re: [Koha] Kohacon 2014 in Córdoba, Argentina On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 7:48 AM, Mirko <5...@gmx.de> wrote: > Hi everybody, > > Kohacon 2014 will take place in Córdoba, Argentina! Congratulations! > Yay! Thanks fellows for trusting us for such an important event. We will put all our efforts to make KohaCon14 unforgetable :-D To+ -- Tomás Cohen Arazi Prosecretaría de Informática Universidad Nacional de Córdoba ✆ +54 351 4333190 ext 13168 GPG: B76C 6E7C 2D80 551A C765 E225 0A27 2EA1 B2F3 C15F ___ Koha mailing list http://koha-community.org Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha # This e-mail message and any attached files may contain confidential information, and may be subject to legal professional privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete. Unless formally stated, this e-mail and any attachments do not necessarily reflect the views of the the The Horowhenua Trust. The Horowhenua Trust takes extensive precautions with the aim of detecting and removing any virus or defects from its e-mail system but accepts no liability for loss or damage should this e-mail not be virus or defect free or should there be any errors in transmission. # ___ Koha mailing list http://koha-community.org Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
Re: [Koha] Template or framework?
In our fast add framework we have added a default value to the 952 tag subfield 3 "Materials specified and bound" which shows up on checkin. It alerts staff that this is a Fast add and needs to be looked at by someone for evaluation. We also have a default public note the says it is a fast add item. Also our 245 has "FAST ADD" as a default to which staff are supposed to add the item title. __ Cecil Hillyard Washoe County Library -Tel: 775-327-8338 or 7750-327-8330 fax: 775-327-8334 -Original Message- From: koha-boun...@lists.katipo.co.nz [mailto:koha-boun...@lists.katipo.co.nz] On Behalf Of Elaine Bradtke Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 12:14 PM Cc: koha Subject: Re: [Koha] Template or framework? Critical fields are missing so that if the book is returned and reshelved, the staff might not be able to find it again using the fast add record in Koha (our shelving system is Byzantine at best, and made worse by current building works). It's not just completeness of data, but keeping track of these books and their records, and making sure they are updated. Because of the legacy card catalogue, they also need to go back to the cards, check for other copies, add item records (and location information) for them and remove the cards from the catalogue (not to mention add subject headings, etc). If I set the template to default to Hide in Opac, and include a 588 that says Fast Add it should be easier to find the records that need attention and make sure they're taken care of in a timely fashion. Yes, I know a lot of this could be solved if they would only place a hold on the books that they issue using a Fast Add record, but that hasn't worked so far. It's a little tricky trying to manage and train staff eight time zones away, but we're mostly coping. On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 7:34 PM, Owen Leonard wrote: >> This hasn't worked well for various reasons. The Fast Add framework >> is lacking in critical fields. I've added a few, but there are still >> more that we need. > > If this is for a fast add and you're going to update the record later, > why do you need more fields? Is the completeness of the record the > only issue preventing the Fast Add method from working? > > -- Owen > > -- > Web Developer > Athens County Public Libraries > http://www.myacpl.org > ___ > Koha mailing list http://koha-community.org Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz > http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha -- Elaine Bradtke Data Wrangler VWML English Folk Dance and Song Society | http://www.efdss.org Cecil Sharp House, 2 Regent's Park Road, London NW1 7AY Tel+44 (0) 20 7485 2206 (This number is for the English Folk Dance and Song Society in London, England. If you wish to phone me personally, send an e-mail first. I work off site) -- Registered Company No. 297142 Charity Registered in England and Wales No. 305999 --- "Writing about music is like dancing about architecture" --Elvis Costello (Musician magazine No. 60 (October 1983), p. 52) ___ Koha mailing list http://koha-community.org Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha ___ Koha mailing list http://koha-community.org Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
Re: [Koha] Template or framework?
Critical fields are missing so that if the book is returned and reshelved, the staff might not be able to find it again using the fast add record in Koha (our shelving system is Byzantine at best, and made worse by current building works). It's not just completeness of data, but keeping track of these books and their records, and making sure they are updated. Because of the legacy card catalogue, they also need to go back to the cards, check for other copies, add item records (and location information) for them and remove the cards from the catalogue (not to mention add subject headings, etc). If I set the template to default to Hide in Opac, and include a 588 that says Fast Add it should be easier to find the records that need attention and make sure they're taken care of in a timely fashion. Yes, I know a lot of this could be solved if they would only place a hold on the books that they issue using a Fast Add record, but that hasn't worked so far. It's a little tricky trying to manage and train staff eight time zones away, but we're mostly coping. On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 7:34 PM, Owen Leonard wrote: >> This hasn't worked well for various reasons. The Fast Add framework is >> lacking in critical fields. I've added a few, but there are still more >> that we need. > > If this is for a fast add and you're going to update the record later, > why do you need more fields? Is the completeness of the record the > only issue preventing the Fast Add method from working? > > -- Owen > > -- > Web Developer > Athens County Public Libraries > http://www.myacpl.org > ___ > Koha mailing list http://koha-community.org > Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz > http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha -- Elaine Bradtke Data Wrangler VWML English Folk Dance and Song Society | http://www.efdss.org Cecil Sharp House, 2 Regent's Park Road, London NW1 7AY Tel+44 (0) 20 7485 2206 (This number is for the English Folk Dance and Song Society in London, England. If you wish to phone me personally, send an e-mail first. I work off site) -- Registered Company No. 297142 Charity Registered in England and Wales No. 305999 --- "Writing about music is like dancing about architecture" --Elvis Costello (Musician magazine No. 60 (October 1983), p. 52) ___ Koha mailing list http://koha-community.org Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
[Koha] Kohacon 2014 in Córdoba, Argentina
Hi everybody, Kohacon 2014 will take place in Córdoba, Argentina! Congratulations! We have a clear vote of roughly 3:1. There are some duplicate votes on both sides which I will consider software or server errors :P and I will have a look at the unfinished votes later. I had one person saying they could not finish the vote, later telling me that it worked eventually. I cannot present final numbers at this point but the result is clear. I'd like to thank both Córdoba and Ibadan very much for offering to be hosts for our conference! -- Mirko ___ Koha mailing list http://koha-community.org Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
Re: [Koha] Kohacon 2014 in Córdoba, Argentina
On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 7:48 AM, Mirko <5...@gmx.de> wrote: > Hi everybody, > > Kohacon 2014 will take place in Córdoba, Argentina! Congratulations! > Yay! Thanks fellows for trusting us for such an important event. We will put all our efforts to make KohaCon14 unforgetable :-D To+ -- Tomás Cohen Arazi Prosecretaría de Informática Universidad Nacional de Córdoba ✆ +54 351 4333190 ext 13168 GPG: B76C 6E7C 2D80 551A C765 E225 0A27 2EA1 B2F3 C15F ___ Koha mailing list http://koha-community.org Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
Re: [Koha] [Koha-devel] Kohacon 2014 in Córdoba, Argentina
2013/10/7 Tomas Cohen Arazi > On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 7:48 AM, Mirko <5...@gmx.de> wrote: > >> Hi everybody, >> >> Kohacon 2014 will take place in Córdoba, Argentina! Congratulations! >> > > Yay! > > Thanks fellows for trusting us for such an important event. We will put > all our efforts to make KohaCon14 unforgetable :-D > Congratulations! I'll be very proud and happy to have you all in my country! *:)* Pablo Bianchi Buenos Aires, Argentina ___ Koha mailing list http://koha-community.org Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
Re: [Koha] Kohacon 2014 in Córdoba, Argentina
Congratulations to Córdoba, Argentina! @Mirko. Just wondering. Are the duplicate votes you are talking about based on IP or email? Thanks for volunteering your time to setup and manage the surveys. Olugbenga Adara Home: +1 289 298 2900 Cell: +1 647 702 4757 Sent from a Mobile Device. Please excuse typos and brevity. On Oct 7, 2013, at 6:48 AM, Mirko <5...@gmx.de> wrote: > Hi everybody, > > Kohacon 2014 will take place in Córdoba, Argentina! Congratulations! > > We have a clear vote of roughly 3:1. There are some duplicate votes > on both sides which I will consider software or server errors :P and > I will have a look at the unfinished votes later. I had one person > saying they could not finish the vote, later telling me that it > worked eventually. I cannot present final numbers at this point but > the result is clear. > > I'd like to thank both Córdoba and Ibadan very much for offering to > be hosts for our conference! > > -- Mirko ___ Koha mailing list http://koha-community.org Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
Re: [Koha] Template or framework?
> This hasn't worked well for various reasons. The Fast Add framework is > lacking in critical fields. I've added a few, but there are still more > that we need. If this is for a fast add and you're going to update the record later, why do you need more fields? Is the completeness of the record the only issue preventing the Fast Add method from working? -- Owen -- Web Developer Athens County Public Libraries http://www.myacpl.org ___ Koha mailing list http://koha-community.org Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
[Koha] Template or framework?
Background info: We don't circulate a lot of materials (probably less than one item per day on average). 80% of the book stock is not yet in Koha (we have a legacy card catalogue). We only circulate books that we have more than one copy - nothing else leaves the building. When we brought the circulation system into play, I suggested to the staff that they could use the Fast Add Framework to put in a brief record before issuing something that's not already in Koha, and then place a hold the item so when it's returned they can update the catalogue. This hasn't worked well for various reasons. The Fast Add framework is lacking in critical fields. I've added a few, but there are still more that we need. I could either add the rest of the necessary fields to the Fast Add framework (tedious, but possible) or, build a template for quickly adding things on the fly. I'm not sure which method is best. The framework could be applied to a Z39.50 download, which would then hide the extraneous fields and possibly result in a more accurate catalogue record (the joy of cataloguing a book while on the front desk with the phone ringing and a patron waiting and someone else fussing with the photocopier right next to you). The template is a familiar tool as I've already got a couple in place for some of the more complex types of material, but unfortunately when you duplicate a template for editing, you end up with all those extra fields. Or. . . a combination of both? Any thoughts? Elaine -- Elaine Bradtke Data Wrangler VWML English Folk Dance and Song Society | http://www.efdss.org Cecil Sharp House, 2 Regent's Park Road, London NW1 7AY Tel+44 (0) 20 7485 2206 (This number is for the English Folk Dance and Song Society in London, England. If you wish to phone me personally, send an e-mail first. I work off site) -- Registered Company No. 297142 Charity Registered in England and Wales No. 305999 --- "Writing about music is like dancing about architecture" --Elvis Costello (Musician magazine No. 60 (October 1983), p. 52) ___ Koha mailing list http://koha-community.org Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
Re: [Koha] RDA questions WAS: Re: Flippin' Yanks
Maybe what we need to do is to add the requisite fields into the Default framework. It seems to have nearly every possible MARC field already, what's a few more? I had to add some fields into the RDA framework to get it to work for us (we use some of the more archival fields among other things). Since some of our Z39.50 downloads are coming in RDA format, we now have to switch back and forth between the two. Responding to a comment above about RDA being designed by committee. . . A good friend of mine was a committee member (music specialist). Evidently the powers that be ignored a lot of what the committee members (active, experienced catalogers) said about RDA . As far as music goes, RDA doesn't work all that well and rather than sort it out, they just went ahead and launched it over the protests of the committee members. I've polled a variety of colleagues on both sides of the pond. . . Oxford University has implemented it. . . smaller libraries are carrying on with AAACR2, some are creating records in both at the same time (!) and at least one library has told their cataloguers they are not required to learn RDA, but may do so if they wish. We're not implementing it because we can't afford a subscription to the documentation to even see if it will work for us. On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 4:30 PM, Hillyard, Cecil wrote: > One can use MarcEdit to batch edit/add RDA fields to existing records. It > will add 33x, 34x, 38x. It will change 260 to 264 and it will expand some > abbreviations. > > One problem has arisen in 3.12. That if you use frameworks other than > default when you export your existing records to MarcEdit, have it do its > stuff and them reimport them back into Koha they get reimported as the > default framework. > > __ > Cecil Hillyard > Washoe County Library > Reno, Nevada > > -Original Message- > From: koha-boun...@lists.katipo.co.nz > [mailto:koha-boun...@lists.katipo.co.nz] On Behalf Of Ramon Andiñach > Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 3:45 PM > To: koha mailing list > Subject: [Koha] RDA questions WAS: Re: Flippin' Yanks > > Non-professional here, so apologies if these are dumb questions. I'm happy to > be pointed at links in the right direction. > > If I'm understanding correctly, RDA itself is akin to AACR2 in that it > contains lists of acceptable terms and how to use them; but different in that > it's built on a different data storage framework (FRBR rather than MARC). > > I gather from reading that Koha will now deal with FRBR and MARC. > > So, I'm wondering; > 1. Are many existing library catalogues doing the complete switch to RDA and > FRBR, or are most doing the partial switch that Libraries Australia is doing > (RDA on MARC)? > 2. Would a switch be something that could be automated easily? Say a script > that adapts AACR2 records in Koha to RDA records? > 3. Would the Z39.50 server standard still service RDA/FRBR records, or just > */MARC records? > > Probably got some others, but those are the three running around in my head > at the moment. > > Cheers, > -ramon. > > On 03/10/2013, at 02:25 , glaws wrote: > >> RDA! RDA! RDA! RDA! RDA! RDA! >> >> Greg >> >> On 10/02/2013 01:40 PM, Magnus Enger wrote: >>> tirsdag 1. oktober 2013 skrev glaws følgende: >>> >>>This does, of course, present the perfect opportunity for a strong >>>progressive organization outside the U.S. to step in and become >>>the New >>>Marc Master of the World. >>> >>> >>> Or we could take it as an opportunity to leave MARC on the scrap heap >>> of history and embrace current technologies instead... :-) >>> >>> Best regards, >>> Magnus Enger >>> Libriotech.no >> >> ___ >> Koha mailing list http://koha-community.org Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz >> http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha > > ___ > Koha mailing list http://koha-community.org Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz > http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha > > ___ > Koha mailing list http://koha-community.org > Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz > http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha -- Elaine Bradtke Data Wrangler VWML English Folk Dance and Song Society | http://www.efdss.org Cecil Sharp House, 2 Regent's Park Road, London NW1 7AY Tel+44 (0) 20 7485 2206 (This number is for the English Folk Dance and Song Society in London, England. If you wish to phone me personally, send an e-mail first. I work off site) -- Registered Company No. 297142 Charity Registered in England and Wales No. 305999 --- "Writing about music is like dancing about architecture" --Elvis Costello (Musician magazine No. 60 (October 1983), p. 52) ___ Koha mailing list
Re: [Koha] Zebra/Yaz versions for 3.12.05
On Sun, Oct 06, 2013 at 01:56:04PM -0400, Tom Hanstra wrote: > Some might not have seen this since it was an update on an earlier thread... > > I'm running 3.12.05 on RHEL6 and have found that the combination of > the latest versions of Yaz and Zebra are not working as expected. > > For those running 3.12.05, can you tell me what versions of Yaz and > Zebra you are running? > My development system is running yaz 4.2.69 and zebra 2.0.55 which doesnt seem to have any problems. C. -- Colin Campbell Chief Software Engineer, PTFS Europe Limited Content Management and Library Solutions +44 (0) 800 756 6803 (phone) +44 (0) 7759 633626 (mobile) colin.campb...@ptfs-europe.com skype: colin_campbell2 http://www.ptfs-europe.com ___ Koha mailing list http://koha-community.org Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
Re: [Koha] Koha 3.12 installation problem
im following this steps: Remove previous installations # koha-remove library Removing Koha instance library Zebra already stopped for instance library. ERROR: Site library does not exist! * Restarting web server apache2 ... waiting #apt-get remove koha-common # rm -rf /etc/koha Reinstall koha #apt-get update #apt-get clean #apt-get install koha-common At this moment, i have: #ls /etc/koha pazpar2 searchengine sites zebradb Edit the following file: #vi /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf #koha-create --create-db library sed: can't read /etc/koha/apache-site.conf.in: No such file or directory So, whats wrong? :( 2013/10/4 Viviane Ventura > Version 3.12.05 > > It should be.. however, when i try: > > #apt-get install koha-common > > and then > > # ls /etc/koha > pazpar2 searchengine sites zebradb > > The configurarion files are not being created, and i can not find a reason > to justify this behavior... > > Any ideas? > > > > 2013/10/4 Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel > >> What version of Koha? >> >> On Koha 3.12.5 packages, that file is provided by koha-common >> >> $ apt-file search apache-site.conf.in >> koha-common: /etc/koha/apache-site.conf.in >> >> Regards, >> Bernardo >> >> >> >> -- >> Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel >> bgkrie...@gmail.com >> >> >> On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Viviane Ventura > > wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> When i try to install a koha instance, the installation stops at this >>> point: >>> >>> # koha-create --create-db library >>> sed: can't read /etc/koha/apache-site.conf.in: No such file or directory >>> >>> It seems that the installation package koha-common is not creating the >>> configuration files of Apache (or any other configuration file in >>> /etc/koha). >>> >>> How can i solve this? >>> >>> thanks for help. >>> ___ >>> Koha mailing list http://koha-community.org >>> Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz >>> http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha >>> >> >> > ___ Koha mailing list http://koha-community.org Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
[Koha] Fw: Kohacon 2014 in Córdoba, Argentina
Forwarding this. Obviously copying the list does not work as Mirko noted earlier Olugbenga Adara - Forwarded Message - From: Olugbenga Adara >To: Mirko <5...@gmx.de> >Cc: "koha@lists.katipo.co.nz" ; >"tomasco...@gmail.com" ; "bgkrie...@gmail.com" >; Tunji Adepeju >Sent: Monday, October 7, 2013 8:19:13 AM >Subject: Re: Kohacon 2014 in Córdoba, Argentina > > >Congratulations to Córdoba, Argentina! > >@Mirko. Just wondering. Are the duplicate votes you are talking about based >on IP or email? > >Thanks for volunteering your time to setup and manage the surveys. > >Olugbenga Adara >Home: +1 289 298 2900 >Cell: +1 647 702 4757 >Sent from a Mobile Device. Please excuse typos and brevity. > > >On Oct 7, 2013, at 6:48 AM, Mirko <5...@gmx.de> wrote: > >> Hi everybody, >> >> Kohacon 2014 will take place in Córdoba, Argentina! Congratulations! >> >> We have a clear vote of roughly 3:1. There are some duplicate votes >> on both sides which I will consider software or server errors :P and >> I will have a look at the unfinished votes later. I had one person >> saying they could not finish the vote, later telling me that it >> worked eventually. I cannot present final numbers at this point but >> the result is clear. >> >> I'd like to thank both Córdoba and Ibadan very much for offering to >> be hosts for our conference! >> >> -- Mirko > > ___ Koha mailing list http://koha-community.org Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
Re: [Koha] Kohacon 2014 in Córdoba, Argentina
> Hi everybody, > > Kohacon 2014 will take place in Córdoba, Argentina! Congratulations! > > That's good news!! And the work begins!! :) Thank you! Bernardo ___ Koha mailing list http://koha-community.org Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
[Koha] Kohacon 2014 in Córdoba, Argentina
Hi everybody, Kohacon 2014 will take place in Córdoba, Argentina! Congratulations! We have a clear vote of roughly 3:1. There are some duplicate votes on both sides which I will consider software or server errors :P and I will have a look at the unfinished votes later. I had one person saying they could not finish the vote, later telling me that it worked eventually. I cannot present final numbers at this point but the result is clear. I'd like to thank both Córdoba and Ibadan very much for offering to be hosts for our conference! -- Mirko ___ Koha mailing list http://koha-community.org Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
