Re: [Koha] Cataloging question - Electronic resource with no link (MARC21)

[Caroline Cyr La Rose]

Hi Jane,

Thanks for your input! You're right that it's closer to a CDROM, since 
it's available on site rather than online.


The record itself is for a paper periodical (genealogy bulletin to be 
precise, the library is a genealogy society run by volunteers), but one 
library/branch has a scanned version on a computer. They wanted to be 
able to indicate that only that 'branch' has those scans, in a way that 
would be visible and easily understandable by their users.


856 seemed the obvious choice, but the whole thing with it appearing as 
a link turned us off.


Next choice was a 5XX note, but those are hidden in a tab. Not a lot of 
users would think to click on the Notes/Descriptions tab to see more.


After discussing it with the client, we decided (or he decided, at my 
suggestion) to do exactly what you said, that is to use field 952$z of 
that library's item to indicate that a scanned copy is available at that 
library only. That field is very visible and it indicates clearly that 
the scanned version is at that library only.


I hadn't thought of making a entire new record for the scanned version 
and linking the records through 776. It may have been a way to do it...


Thanks again!

Caroline

On 2022-05-18 16:35, Jane Cothron wrote:
It sounds as though you are describing a database on a computer drive 
that is not actually available or connected through the internet. That 
means that it will not have a URL, so I would not use an 856 field in 
the MARC record.  It is an electronic resource and the fixed field 
information should reflect that.  I would include a note indicating 
the extent of the resource and the fact that it is only for use in 
that specific library.  I think this is closer to cataloging a CDROM 
than a website or remotely available database.  I would include a 
public note in the item record specifying that the resource is only 
available for in-library use at the owning library.

Does this sound reasonable to you?
Best--
Jane Cothron

On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 1:55 PM Caroline Cyr La Rose 
 wrote:


Hello everyone!

I wanted the community's opinion on this. I have a client who has
electronic versions of periodicals, but they are not accessible
online.
(I'm not sure how it works to get them, but I'm told the files are
on a
computer at one of the libraries... anyway.)

I figured we could use 856$3 and/or 856$z to signify that users
can see
copies if they go to XYZ library. But as soon as we put something in
either $3 or $z, both the staff interface and the OPAC show links
(either the text is blue or it shows 'Click here to access...',
even if
there is nothing in 856$u or $a/$d/$f. The links don't do anything if
you click on them.

Does that seem like a bug or it's how MARC is supposed to work? Is
it ok
to use 856 to indicate that there is an electronic copy of the
resource
somewhere even if that copy is not on the Web? I think so, but I
may be
wrong.

We thought about putting that info in a 5XX somewhere, but those are
hidden in the Descriptions/Notes tabs and users might not see the
info.

Thanks for your help!

Caroline

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Re: [Koha] Very, very beginner question: Followup

[Caroline Cyr La Rose]

Hi there,

The answer to the first question is in the system preferences. In order 
to be able to manually enter author names and subjects, you need to set 
BiblioAddsAuthorities to 'allow'.


As for your second question, I think you mean how to add Z39.50 servers 
to search. You can do that in Administration > Z39.50/SRU servers. The 
site https://irspy.indexdata.com/find.html can help you find servers to add.


(Authorities in library speak refer to a specific kind of record used 
for names and subject headings.)


As for which servers to add, I wouldn't really know. Maybe university 
libraries since the texts you seem to catalog seem very specialized.


I hope this helps,

Caroline

On 2022-05-18 14:19, C.S. Hayward wrote:

I have three followup questions.

First, I've noticed that I can directly enter data into 245$a, but 100$a and 110$a appear 
to be locked (screenshot available on request). This is after clicking on "New 
Record" and navigating to the 100's tab. What should I be doing to be allowed to 
manually enter an individual or corporate author's name?

Second, if I should be entering all the authorities that have been mentioned in replies 
for a Z49 search, how do I add a URL? (One respondent, for instance, mentioned 
"Oxford" as the text of a hyperlink that I assume is what I will want to enter 
in the appropriate place. Same for a URL for the General Theological Seminary.)

Third, are there any authorities I should be searching besides those pointed 
out to me by list members?

Thanks,
Br. C.S. Hayward

Sent from ProtonMail for iOS

On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 3:26 PM, C.S. Hayward  
wrote:


Having added a first test item, I thought I would try to add to the catalog the 
dozen or so books that happened to be on a desk on the library.

I tried to search by ISBN, and the next two books were at least technically 
findable on Amazon by ISBN, but did not come up in the Z39.50/SRU search. They 
were, respectively:

St. Tikhon's Seminary Press: The Great Book of Needs, Volume III: The 
Occasional Services, South Canaan: St. Tikhon's Seminary Press, 1999, 
1-878997-58-0

Cavarnos, Constantine, Modern Orthodox Saints: St. Cosmas Aitolos, Belmont: 
Instirute for Byzantine and Modern Greek Studies, 1971, 0-914744-29-1

The library contains books that people have heard about, and obscurities.

If a book does not come up by ISBN, how should I be approaching entering a book for which 
I can find standard bibliographic information? Would it be appropriate to click on 
"New Record," populate a record with the fields I have (possibly incomplete) 
and then try to save, navigating to any mandatory fields I haven't filled in?

Thanks,

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Re: [Koha] Cataloging question - Electronic resource with no link (MARC21)

[muiru james]

Hi,

I got interested in this discussion and tried to attach an a pdf to a
record in koha. (Followed bywater solutions video on
https://youtu.be/mbYgsodcPaU)


My pdf cannot however open. I get a request denied from 127.0.0.1. It opens
if I log in from the server but not from any other computer.

My koha version is 20.11.11 on ubuntu 20.05.

What am I missing?

Thanks for your help.

James




On Wed, 18 May 2022, 17:19 Caroline Cyr La Rose, <
caroline.cyr-la-r...@inlibro.com> wrote:

> Hi Heather!
>
>
> Thanks so much for your answer! (I was hoping you would answer because
> you're so knowledgable!)
>
>
> If I understand correctly, $3 is indeed used to specify the library for
> which the link is used, and it is possible to omit $u (as you said, it
> dates back to when stuff would maybe be on cdroms).
>
>
> I tried this in Koha
>
> 856 40 $3 Local periodical computer
>
>
> and the staff interface and OPAC still showed a link. This may be
> because of ind1= 4. I tried with different access methods, including
> ind1 = 7 and 'file' in $2; Koha always shows a link, clickable, but that
> leads nowhere.
>
>
> I also noticed that in the worldcat example for 'Encyclopedia of
> children and childhood', what I assume is in the $z (e.g. '(Unlimited
> Concurrent Users)') is not included in the clickable part of the link.
> Whereas in Koha, if you put something in $z, it will be clickable.
>
>
> I understand it's a very fringe case that 856 would be used for
> electronic resources that are not online (no $u). But to me, only
> $a/$d/$f, $u and $y should be in the clickable part of the link. The
> rest should be regular text. And if there is no $a/$d/$f or $u, there
> should be no link at all (not even the 'Click here').
>
>
> Maybe I will file a bug in bugzilla and see what others say, unless
> someone else on the mailing list has an opinion.
>
>
> Thank you again!
>
>
> Caroline
>
>
>
> On 2022-05-17 17:16, Hernandez, Heather H wrote:
> > Hi, Caroline--
> >
> > It's the way that it's supposed to work--if you look at this record on
> > WorldCat.org:
> > http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/51900244
> > You'll see a link that says, "Flint Campus only," etc.--all the links
> > have text indicating authorized users only (text that's been put into
> > the 856 $z).
> >
> > It's supposed to work like that because many places have electronic
> > resources that are available only to authorized users of particular
> > networks.  It dates back to when some resources would even be on
> > CDRoms mounted on particular computers/drives that only authorized
> > users could access.
> >
> > For the resource you're describing, if it were my library, I'd do
> > something like:
> > 856 40 $3 Research Center access $u http://...  $z Requires staff login
> >
> > They might want, e.g.:
> > 856 40 $3 Local periodical computer
> > 856 40 $3 In-library access only
> >
> > You can use only the $3 if you want, too--we only use that field, and
> > it will display in place of "Click here to access," e.g.:
> > Details for: A dream of seven decades San Francisco's Aquatic Park / ›
> > SF Maritime NHP Research Center catalog (bywatersolutions.com)
> > <
> https://keys.bywatersolutions.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=35047
> >
> >
> > I try to always put something into the $3, because "Click here to
> > access" is antiquated, when so many users are tapping on their phones,
> > and in the situation like you describe where not everyone is
> > authorized to access.
> >
> > Cheerio!
> > --h2
> > ~~~
> > Ms. Heather Hernandez (she, her, hers) Technical Services Librarian
> > Library catalog: https://keys.bywatersolutions.com/ San Francisco
> > Maritime National Historical Park Research Center 2 Marina Blvd.,
> > Bldg. E, 3rd floor, San Francisco, CA 94123-1284 415-561-7032 (office
> > generally M-W, telecommuting Th-F) heather_hernan...@nps.gov   <
> https://webmail.lmi.net/src/compose.php?send_to=heather_hernandez%40nps.gov
> >
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Re: [Koha] Cataloging question - Electronic resource with no link (MARC21)

[Caroline Cyr La Rose]

Hi Heather!


Thanks so much for your answer! (I was hoping you would answer because 
you're so knowledgable!)



If I understand correctly, $3 is indeed used to specify the library for 
which the link is used, and it is possible to omit $u (as you said, it 
dates back to when stuff would maybe be on cdroms).



I tried this in Koha

856 40 $3 Local periodical computer


and the staff interface and OPAC still showed a link. This may be 
because of ind1= 4. I tried with different access methods, including 
ind1 = 7 and 'file' in $2; Koha always shows a link, clickable, but that 
leads nowhere.



I also noticed that in the worldcat example for 'Encyclopedia of 
children and childhood', what I assume is in the $z (e.g. '(Unlimited 
Concurrent Users)') is not included in the clickable part of the link. 
Whereas in Koha, if you put something in $z, it will be clickable.



I understand it's a very fringe case that 856 would be used for 
electronic resources that are not online (no $u). But to me, only 
$a/$d/$f, $u and $y should be in the clickable part of the link. The 
rest should be regular text. And if there is no $a/$d/$f or $u, there 
should be no link at all (not even the 'Click here').



Maybe I will file a bug in bugzilla and see what others say, unless 
someone else on the mailing list has an opinion.



Thank you again!


Caroline



On 2022-05-17 17:16, Hernandez, Heather H wrote:

Hi, Caroline--

It's the way that it's supposed to work--if you look at this record on 
WorldCat.org:

http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/51900244
You'll see a link that says, "Flint Campus only," etc.--all the links 
have text indicating authorized users only (text that's been put into 
the 856 $z).


It's supposed to work like that because many places have electronic 
resources that are available only to authorized users of particular 
networks.  It dates back to when some resources would even be on 
CDRoms mounted on particular computers/drives that only authorized 
users could access.


For the resource you're describing, if it were my library, I'd do 
something like:

856 40 $3 Research Center access $u http://...  $z Requires staff login

They might want, e.g.:
856 40 $3 Local periodical computer
856 40 $3 In-library access only

You can use only the $3 if you want, too--we only use that field, and 
it will display in place of "Click here to access," e.g.:
Details for: A dream of seven decades San Francisco's Aquatic Park / › 
SF Maritime NHP Research Center catalog (bywatersolutions.com) 



I try to always put something into the $3, because "Click here to 
access" is antiquated, when so many users are tapping on their phones, 
and in the situation like you describe where not everyone is 
authorized to access.


Cheerio!
--h2
~~~
Ms. Heather Hernandez (she, her, hers) Technical Services Librarian 
Library catalog: https://keys.bywatersolutions.com/ San Francisco 
Maritime National Historical Park Research Center 2 Marina Blvd., 
Bldg. E, 3rd floor, San Francisco, CA 94123-1284 415-561-7032 (office 
generally M-W, telecommuting Th-F) heather_hernan...@nps.gov   

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Re: [Koha] OPACnavright in additional contents tool

[Jonathan Druart]

Hi Elaine,

Sorry for the delay.
What you are describing looks like bug 29828
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=29828

Regards,
Jonathan

Le mar. 17 mai 2022 à 18:48, Elaine Bradtke  a écrit :

> We still don't know why it happened, but our IT guru managed to fix it by
> manually deleting it from the database.
> Elaine
> VWML 
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 12:00 PM Elaine Bradtke  wrote:
>
> > I've tried again in the test site, and I think the problem may have to do
> > with not having text in the default tab? I only entered text in the
> > English United Kingdom tab when I broke it. If I add the text in all
> three
> > tabs (default, English and English GB), it works.  However, the editing
> > window does not open, I have to force it to open by inserting a line.
> Still
> > need help in deleting the item that doesn't show up in the list. (No,
> it's
> > not expired).
> >
> > Elaine
> > VWML 
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 10:55 AM Elaine Bradtke  wrote:
> >
> >> 21.11.05.
> >> I encountered a few problems in adding a new item to the right column in
> >> the OPAC. First, I noticed there were no options to edit the HTML, just
> >> plain text. Then when I saved it, the text repeated itself on the OPAC
> >> see https://catalogue.efdss.org/
> >> When I look at the /koha/tools/additional-contents the item is not there
> >> at all.  I can't find it to edit or delete it.  But it still displays on
> >> the OPAC
> >> This may be complicated by the fact that we use the English United
> >> Kingdom translation (en-GB).
> >> Are there some settings I should look at or is this a bug?
> >> And if it's a bug, how can I delete the problem text?
> >> Thanks!
> >> Elaine Bradtke
> >> VWML 
> >> English Folk Dance and Song Society 
> >> Cecil Sharp House, 2 Regent's Park Road, London NW1 7AY
> >> Tel+44 (0) 20 7485 2206 (This number is for the English Folk Dance
> >> and Song Society in London, England. If you wish to phone me personally,
> >> send an e-mail first. I work off site)
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