Re: [Koha] [ByWater Partners] [Koha North America] Your suggestions for a new name of Koha NA

[Stebbings, Wade]

o not want our name to indicate
North America when we are not able to physically meet outside of the
U.S.

FYI: Our monthly meetings (you're all invited to our next meeting: Jan
13, 2016) are held online and so international boarders typically do
not pose any obstacle like they do when meeting face-to-face.

Merry Christmas,

Christopher Davis
Secretary, Koha NA

On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Stebbings, Wade
<wade.stebbi...@walkerart.org<mailto:wade.stebbi...@walkerart.org>> wrote:
> I agree, the frequency of face-to-face meetings can be reduced if it’s too
> expensive. However, there is nothing like the serendipity offered by a
> face-to-face meeting or conference. And maybe that luxury is something
> done infrequently, or maybe with regional chapters.
>
> But I go back to what I said previously: what problem are we trying to
> solve?
>
> If it’s about cost, then this new line of discussion has value.
>
> —wade
>
> On 12/21/15, 11:37 AM, "Francis Devadason" 
> <francis.devada...@doc.ks.gov<mailto:francis.devada...@doc.ks.gov>>
> wrote:
>
>>Why do we have to travel? We can have online conferencing.
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: Koha 
>>[mailto:koha-boun...@lists.katipo.co.nz<mailto:koha-boun...@lists.katipo.co.nz>]
>> On Behalf Of
>>Stebbings, Wade
>>Sent: Monday, December 21, 2015 10:14 AM
>>To: Owen Leonard; Koha
>>Cc: KohaNA; partners
>>Subject: Re: [Koha] [ByWater Partners] [Koha North America] Your
>>suggestions for a new name of Koha NA
>>
>>Owen,
>>
>>Christopher said ³for many, travel outside of the U.S. Is prohibited,²
>>which sounds more like travel constraints due to policy reasons, not due
>>to cost. If we¹re really talking about cost-optimization, then the focus
>>on contiguous-US is misplaced: cost has more to do with location than
>>distance, some locations are simply much higher cost to stay. For
>>example, my recent conference trip to Chicago (c. 400 miles), flying and
>>driving were close to the same cost, but the cost of accommodations by
>>far exceeded everything else. Chicago is expensive, New York is
>>expensive, San Francisco is expensive, Winnipeg is not. It has nothing to
>>do with political boundaries. The majority of Canadian population lives
>>relatively close to the Canadian-US border, Edmonton being the most
>>egregious outlier.
>>
>>Agreed, we need to step back and rethink, What problem are we trying to
>>solve? ŒHot water¹ doesn¹t say much.
>>
>>If that answer drives the shape and expanse of the organization, or
>>chapter, then fine. But not until that is decided do we name something.
>>It is now obvious to me the exercise of naming something is way too
>>premature.
>>
>>‹wade
>>
>>On 12/21/15, 8:02 AM, 
>>"partners-boun...@bywatersolutions.com<mailto:partners-boun...@bywatersolutions.com>
>> on behalf of
>>Owen Leonard" 
>><partners-boun...@bywatersolutions.com<mailto:partners-boun...@bywatersolutions.com>
>> on behalf of
>>oleon...@myacpl.org<mailto:oleon...@myacpl.org>> wrote:
>>
>>>I think everyone needs to pause and reflect on what the goal of this
>>>process is, because we seem to be continuing to dig this hole deeper
>>>instead of climbing out.
>>>
>>>> all face-to-face meetings will be
>>>> held within the contiguous U.S. to ensure that U.S. Koha users have a
>>>> better chance to attend them (for many, travel outside of the U.S. is
>>>> prohibited).
>>>
>>>The goal of this process is to define the terms of a Koha user group
>>>which meets within the contiguous United States. This narrow definition
>>>is of the location of the meetings, not of those who are welcome in the
>>>group.
>>>
>>>This rule about meeting locations is not made in order to be
>>>exclusionary, but in order to create more opportunities for U.S.
>>>members to participate. The United States is big, travel is expensive,
>>>and libraries don't like to spend money.
>>>
>>>I would encourage everyone to make suggestions which don't have "North
>>>America" or "America" as a basis. Both terms include areas which are
>>>outside the contiguous United States and thus explicitly excluded.
>>>Take a look at the maps:
>>>
>>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_America
>>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americas
>>>
>>>Terms like "North America" and "America" are WHY we're hot water in the
>>>first place.
>

Re: [Koha] [ByWater Partners] [Koha North America] Your suggestions for a new name of Koha NA

[Stebbings, Wade]

I agree, the frequency of face-to-face meetings can be reduced if it’s too
expensive. However, there is nothing like the serendipity offered by a
face-to-face meeting or conference. And maybe that luxury is something
done infrequently, or maybe with regional chapters.

But I go back to what I said previously: what problem are we trying to
solve?

If it’s about cost, then this new line of discussion has value.

—wade

On 12/21/15, 11:37 AM, "Francis Devadason" <francis.devada...@doc.ks.gov>
wrote:

>Why do we have to travel? We can have online conferencing.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Koha [mailto:koha-boun...@lists.katipo.co.nz] On Behalf Of
>Stebbings, Wade
>Sent: Monday, December 21, 2015 10:14 AM
>To: Owen Leonard; Koha
>Cc: KohaNA; partners
>Subject: Re: [Koha] [ByWater Partners] [Koha North America] Your
>suggestions for a new name of Koha NA
>
>Owen,
>
>Christopher said ³for many, travel outside of the U.S. Is prohibited,²
>which sounds more like travel constraints due to policy reasons, not due
>to cost. If we¹re really talking about cost-optimization, then the focus
>on contiguous-US is misplaced: cost has more to do with location than
>distance, some locations are simply much higher cost to stay. For
>example, my recent conference trip to Chicago (c. 400 miles), flying and
>driving were close to the same cost, but the cost of accommodations by
>far exceeded everything else. Chicago is expensive, New York is
>expensive, San Francisco is expensive, Winnipeg is not. It has nothing to
>do with political boundaries. The majority of Canadian population lives
>relatively close to the Canadian-US border, Edmonton being the most
>egregious outlier.
>
>Agreed, we need to step back and rethink, What problem are we trying to
>solve? ŒHot water¹ doesn¹t say much.
>
>If that answer drives the shape and expanse of the organization, or
>chapter, then fine. But not until that is decided do we name something.
>It is now obvious to me the exercise of naming something is way too
>premature.
>
>‹wade
>
>On 12/21/15, 8:02 AM, "partners-boun...@bywatersolutions.com on behalf of
>Owen Leonard" <partners-boun...@bywatersolutions.com on behalf of
>oleon...@myacpl.org> wrote:
>
>>I think everyone needs to pause and reflect on what the goal of this
>>process is, because we seem to be continuing to dig this hole deeper
>>instead of climbing out.
>>
>>> all face-to-face meetings will be
>>> held within the contiguous U.S. to ensure that U.S. Koha users have a
>>> better chance to attend them (for many, travel outside of the U.S. is
>>> prohibited).
>>
>>The goal of this process is to define the terms of a Koha user group
>>which meets within the contiguous United States. This narrow definition
>>is of the location of the meetings, not of those who are welcome in the
>>group.
>>
>>This rule about meeting locations is not made in order to be
>>exclusionary, but in order to create more opportunities for U.S.
>>members to participate. The United States is big, travel is expensive,
>>and libraries don't like to spend money.
>>
>>I would encourage everyone to make suggestions which don't have "North
>>America" or "America" as a basis. Both terms include areas which are
>>outside the contiguous United States and thus explicitly excluded.
>>Take a look at the maps:
>>
>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_America
>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americas
>>
>>Terms like "North America" and "America" are WHY we're hot water in the
>>first place.
>>
>> -- Owen
>>
>>--
>>Web Developer
>>Athens County Public Libraries
>>http://www.myacpl.org
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Re: [Koha] [ByWater Partners] [Koha North America] Your suggestions for a new name of Koha NA

[Stebbings, Wade]

Owen,

Christopher said ³for many, travel outside of the U.S. Is prohibited,²
which sounds more like travel constraints due to policy reasons, not due
to cost. If we¹re really talking about cost-optimization, then the focus
on contiguous-US is misplaced: cost has more to do with location than
distance, some locations are simply much higher cost to stay. For example,
my recent conference trip to Chicago (c. 400 miles), flying and driving
were close to the same cost, but the cost of accommodations by far
exceeded everything else. Chicago is expensive, New York is expensive, San
Francisco is expensive, Winnipeg is not. It has nothing to do with
political boundaries. The majority of Canadian population lives relatively
close to the Canadian-US border, Edmonton being the most egregious outlier.

Agreed, we need to step back and rethink, What problem are we trying to
solve? ŒHot water¹ doesn¹t say much.

If that answer drives the shape and expanse of the organization, or
chapter, then fine. But not until that is decided do we name something. It
is now obvious to me the exercise of naming something is way too premature.

‹wade

On 12/21/15, 8:02 AM, "partners-boun...@bywatersolutions.com on behalf of
Owen Leonard"  wrote:

>I think everyone needs to pause and reflect on what the goal of this
>process is, because we seem to be continuing to dig this hole deeper
>instead of climbing out.
>
>> all face-to-face meetings will be
>> held within the contiguous U.S. to ensure that U.S. Koha users have a
>> better chance to attend them (for many, travel outside of the U.S. is
>> prohibited).
>
>The goal of this process is to define the terms of a Koha user group
>which meets within the contiguous United States. This narrow
>definition is of the location of the meetings, not of those who are
>welcome in the group.
>
>This rule about meeting locations is not made in order to be
>exclusionary, but in order to create more opportunities for U.S.
>members to participate. The United States is big, travel is expensive,
>and libraries don't like to spend money.
>
>I would encourage everyone to make suggestions which don't have "North
>America" or "America" as a basis. Both terms include areas which are
>outside the contiguous United States and thus explicitly excluded.
>Take a look at the maps:
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_America
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americas
>
>Terms like "North America" and "America" are WHY we're hot water in
>the first place.
>
> -- Owen
>
>-- 
>Web Developer
>Athens County Public Libraries
>http://www.myacpl.org
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Re: [Koha] [ByWater Partners] Your suggestions for a new name of Koha NA

[Stebbings, Wade]

Just run the letters together: Kohana
This is also the name of a PHP-based web development framework, but that
shouldn¹t be too confusing.

‹wade
Walker Art Center


On 12/18/15, 10:19 AM, "partners-boun...@bywatersolutions.com on behalf of
Christopher Davis"  wrote:

>Good Day Everyone,
>
>During its first annual meeting, the scope of the Koha North America
>Users Group (Koha NA) was to form an organization to discuss and
>support Koha issues native to the U.S. Although everyone is cordially
>invited to every Koha NA meeting, all face-to-face meetings will be
>held within the contiguous U.S. to ensure that U.S. Koha users have a
>better chance to attend them (for many, travel outside of the U.S. is
>prohibited).
>
>In light of recent discussion on the Koha listservs regarding its
>extent, the Koha NA has voted to change its name to reflect its scope
>and we are asking for your help. Please reply to this message with
>your name suggestions and then join us at our next online meeting to
>vote for them (Wed, Jan 13th, 2016 @ 11 am Central Time).
>
>All the best,
>
>Christopher Davis
>Secretary, Koha NA
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Re: [Koha] [ByWater Partners] Your suggestions for a new name of Koha NA

[Stebbings, Wade]

I understand, but there¹s no getting around conflicts in this highly
interconnected world‹you just want to minimize them. Typing KUSUG into
Google results in 32,000 hits, including an actor¹s name on IMDB.

Name of a group vs name of a piece of software is not too confusing. But
if the NA is the expendable part in preference to US, then run that
together: Kohaus
Unless that seems a little too German for a US-centric org.
(this one comes up a lot as a last name in a google search)

‹wade


On 12/18/15, 10:32 AM, "partners-boun...@bywatersolutions.com on behalf of
Owen Leonard"  wrote:

>KUSUG

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