Re: [Koha] [ByWater Partners] [Koha North America] Your suggestions for a new name of Koha NA

[BWS Johnson]

Salvete!

+1 It states what it is (ba dum cha) and sounds a lot more positive all while 
being leet like code4lib.

Cheers,
Brooke


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Re: [Koha] [ByWater Partners] [Koha North America] Your suggestions for a new name of Koha NA

[Lee Jamison]

Hello everyone (I'm representing a newly-partnered institution),

I've been reading the dialog between everyone and it made me ask myself
"Why not bring the name back to Koha's original Māori roots?"

So I thought of *KohaMerica *(could perhaps even be called KM for short) as
Merica is the Māori word for America.

It seems to roll off the tongue while still being unique and easy to
identify.
On Dec 21, 2015 5:47 PM, "Christopher Davis" <cgda...@uintah.utah.gov>
wrote:

> Wade, et al,
>
> The Koha NA officers are please to see to much discussion of this
> topic on the listservs. If you want to learn the context of why Koha
> NA is changing its name, please visit
> . In short, Koha NA's
> original scope was the U.S. and we do not want our name to indicate
> North America when we are not able to physically meet outside of the
> U.S.
>
> FYI: Our monthly meetings (you're all invited to our next meeting: Jan
> 13, 2016) are held online and so international boarders typically do
> not pose any obstacle like they do when meeting face-to-face.
>
> Merry Christmas,
>
> Christopher Davis
> Secretary, Koha NA
>
> On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Stebbings, Wade
> <wade.stebbi...@walkerart.org> wrote:
> > I agree, the frequency of face-to-face meetings can be reduced if it’s
> too
> > expensive. However, there is nothing like the serendipity offered by a
> > face-to-face meeting or conference. And maybe that luxury is something
> > done infrequently, or maybe with regional chapters.
> >
> > But I go back to what I said previously: what problem are we trying to
> > solve?
> >
> > If it’s about cost, then this new line of discussion has value.
> >
> > —wade
> >
> > On 12/21/15, 11:37 AM, "Francis Devadason" <francis.devada...@doc.ks.gov
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> >>Why do we have to travel? We can have online conferencing.
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Koha [mailto:koha-boun...@lists.katipo.co.nz] On Behalf Of
> >>Stebbings, Wade
> >>Sent: Monday, December 21, 2015 10:14 AM
> >>To: Owen Leonard; Koha
> >>Cc: KohaNA; partners
> >>Subject: Re: [Koha] [ByWater Partners] [Koha North America] Your
> >>suggestions for a new name of Koha NA
> >>
> >>Owen,
> >>
> >>Christopher said ³for many, travel outside of the U.S. Is prohibited,²
> >>which sounds more like travel constraints due to policy reasons, not due
> >>to cost. If we¹re really talking about cost-optimization, then the focus
> >>on contiguous-US is misplaced: cost has more to do with location than
> >>distance, some locations are simply much higher cost to stay. For
> >>example, my recent conference trip to Chicago (c. 400 miles), flying and
> >>driving were close to the same cost, but the cost of accommodations by
> >>far exceeded everything else. Chicago is expensive, New York is
> >>expensive, San Francisco is expensive, Winnipeg is not. It has nothing to
> >>do with political boundaries. The majority of Canadian population lives
> >>relatively close to the Canadian-US border, Edmonton being the most
> >>egregious outlier.
> >>
> >>Agreed, we need to step back and rethink, What problem are we trying to
> >>solve? ŒHot water¹ doesn¹t say much.
> >>
> >>If that answer drives the shape and expanse of the organization, or
> >>chapter, then fine. But not until that is decided do we name something.
> >>It is now obvious to me the exercise of naming something is way too
> >>premature.
> >>
> >>‹wade
> >>
> >>On 12/21/15, 8:02 AM, "partners-boun...@bywatersolutions.com on behalf
> of
> >>Owen Leonard" <partners-boun...@bywatersolutions.com on behalf of
> >>oleon...@myacpl.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>>I think everyone needs to pause and reflect on what the goal of this
> >>>process is, because we seem to be continuing to dig this hole deeper
> >>>instead of climbing out.
> >>>
> >>>> all face-to-face meetings will be
> >>>> held within the contiguous U.S. to ensure that U.S. Koha users have a
> >>>> better chance to attend them (for many, travel outside of the U.S. is
> >>>> prohibited).
> >>>
> >>>The goal of this process is to define the terms of a Koha user group
> >>>which meets within the contiguous United States. This narrow definition
> >>>is of the location of the meetings, not of those who are welcome in the
> >&g

Re: [Koha] [ByWater Partners] [Koha North America] Your suggestions for a new name of Koha NA

[Samuel Passey]

koha4us

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Uintah County Library
204 E. 100 N.
Vernal, UT 84078
(435)789-6262
pas...@uintah.utah.gov

On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 7:48 AM, Christopher Davis 
wrote:

> LOL :-)
>
> Christopher Davis, MLS
> Systems & E-Services Librarian
> Uintah County Library
> cgda...@uintah.utah.gov
> (435) 789-0091 ext.261
> uintahlibrary.org
> basinlibraries.org
> facebook.com/uintahcountylibrary
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 7:14 PM, Paul A 
> wrote:
> > At 03:47 PM 12/21/2015 -0700, Christopher Davis wrote:
> >>
> >> The Koha NA officers are please to see to much discussion of this
> >> topic on the listservs.
> >
> >
> > Some sanity please: KohaUS or KohaUSA.
> >
> > Going back a century and a half:
> >
> > Yankee Koha went to town
> > Riding on an email;
> > He stuck a feather in his hat,
> > And called it MARCaroni.
> > Yankee Koha keep it up;
> > Yankee Koha dandy,
> > Mind the coding and the bugs,
> > And with the git be handy.
> >
> > ... or something like that.
> >
> > Best -- Paul
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Koha] [ByWater Partners] [Koha North America] Your suggestions for a new name of Koha NA

[Thrasher, Peggy]

+1

From: partners-boun...@bywatersolutions.com 
[mailto:partners-boun...@bywatersolutions.com] On Behalf Of Lee Jamison
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 11:02 AM
To: Christopher Davis
Cc: Koha; Francis Devadason; partners; KohaNA
Subject: Re: [ByWater Partners] [Koha North America] Your suggestions for a new 
name of Koha NA


Hello everyone (I'm representing a newly-partnered institution),

I've been reading the dialog between everyone and it made me ask myself "Why 
not bring the name back to Koha's original Māori roots?"

So I thought of KohaMerica (could perhaps even be called KM for short) as 
Merica is the Māori word for America.

It seems to roll off the tongue while still being unique and easy to identify.
On Dec 21, 2015 5:47 PM, "Christopher Davis" 
<cgda...@uintah.utah.gov<mailto:cgda...@uintah.utah.gov>> wrote:
Wade, et al,

The Koha NA officers are please to see to much discussion of this
topic on the listservs. If you want to learn the context of why Koha
NA is changing its name, please visit
http://koha-na.org/index.php/Minutes2015-12-09>>.
 In short, Koha NA's
original scope was the U.S. and we do not want our name to indicate
North America when we are not able to physically meet outside of the
U.S.

FYI: Our monthly meetings (you're all invited to our next meeting: Jan
13, 2016) are held online and so international boarders typically do
not pose any obstacle like they do when meeting face-to-face.

Merry Christmas,

Christopher Davis
Secretary, Koha NA

On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Stebbings, Wade
<wade.stebbi...@walkerart.org<mailto:wade.stebbi...@walkerart.org>> wrote:
> I agree, the frequency of face-to-face meetings can be reduced if it’s too
> expensive. However, there is nothing like the serendipity offered by a
> face-to-face meeting or conference. And maybe that luxury is something
> done infrequently, or maybe with regional chapters.
>
> But I go back to what I said previously: what problem are we trying to
> solve?
>
> If it’s about cost, then this new line of discussion has value.
>
> —wade
>
> On 12/21/15, 11:37 AM, "Francis Devadason" 
> <francis.devada...@doc.ks.gov<mailto:francis.devada...@doc.ks.gov>>
> wrote:
>
>>Why do we have to travel? We can have online conferencing.
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: Koha 
>>[mailto:koha-boun...@lists.katipo.co.nz<mailto:koha-boun...@lists.katipo.co.nz>]
>> On Behalf Of
>>Stebbings, Wade
>>Sent: Monday, December 21, 2015 10:14 AM
>>To: Owen Leonard; Koha
>>Cc: KohaNA; partners
>>Subject: Re: [Koha] [ByWater Partners] [Koha North America] Your
>>suggestions for a new name of Koha NA
>>
>>Owen,
>>
>>Christopher said ³for many, travel outside of the U.S. Is prohibited,²
>>which sounds more like travel constraints due to policy reasons, not due
>>to cost. If we¹re really talking about cost-optimization, then the focus
>>on contiguous-US is misplaced: cost has more to do with location than
>>distance, some locations are simply much higher cost to stay. For
>>example, my recent conference trip to Chicago (c. 400 miles), flying and
>>driving were close to the same cost, but the cost of accommodations by
>>far exceeded everything else. Chicago is expensive, New York is
>>expensive, San Francisco is expensive, Winnipeg is not. It has nothing to
>>do with political boundaries. The majority of Canadian population lives
>>relatively close to the Canadian-US border, Edmonton being the most
>>egregious outlier.
>>
>>Agreed, we need to step back and rethink, What problem are we trying to
>>solve? ŒHot water¹ doesn¹t say much.
>>
>>If that answer drives the shape and expanse of the organization, or
>>chapter, then fine. But not until that is decided do we name something.
>>It is now obvious to me the exercise of naming something is way too
>>premature.
>>
>>‹wade
>>
>>On 12/21/15, 8:02 AM, 
>>"partners-boun...@bywatersolutions.com<mailto:partners-boun...@bywatersolutions.com>
>> on behalf of
>>Owen Leonard" 
>><partners-boun...@bywatersolutions.com<mailto:partners-boun...@bywatersolutions.com>
>> on behalf of
>>oleon...@myacpl.org<mailto:oleon...@myacpl.org>> wrote:
>>
>>>I think everyone needs to pause and reflect on what the goal of this
>>>process is, because we seem to be continuing to dig this hole deeper
>>>instead of climbing out.
>>>
>>>> all face-to-face meetings will be
>>>> held within the contiguous U.S. to ensure that U.S. Koha users have a
>>>> better chance to attend them (for many, travel outside of the U.S. is
>>

Re: [Koha] [ByWater Partners] [Koha North America] Your suggestions for a new name of Koha NA

[Georgette Rogers]

I agree with Christopher Brannon


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-Original Message-
From: partners-boun...@bywatersolutions.com 
[mailto:partners-boun...@bywatersolutions.com] On Behalf Of BRANNON, CHRISTOPHER
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 7:49 AM
To: Koha <koha@lists.katipo.co.nz>
Cc: KohaNA <koh...@bywatersolutions.com>; partners 
<partn...@bywatersolutions.com>
Subject: Re: [ByWater Partners] [Koha North America] Your suggestions for a new 
name of Koha NA

I think too many people have too much time on their hands to squabble about 
stuff.  We could waste a LOT of time trying to come up with something 
wonderful, that rolls off the tongue, and is a cool acronym, and offends the 
least amount of people.

I vote for Koha Super Duper User Group!

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Re: [Koha] [ByWater Partners] [Koha North America] Your suggestions for a new name of Koha NA

[Chris Cormack]

* Lee Jamison (ldjami...@maryu.marywood.edu) wrote:
> Hello everyone (I'm representing a newly-partnered institution),
> 
> I've been reading the dialog between everyone and it made me ask myself
> "Why not bring the name back to Koha's original Māori roots?"
> 
> So I thought of *KohaMerica *(could perhaps even be called KM for short) as
> Merica is the Māori word for America.
> 
> It seems to roll off the tongue while still being unique and easy to
> identify.

Kia Lee mō tōu whakaaro

Engari kaore he kupu Merica kei roto i te reo Māori. 
Ko te kupa māori mō America, he Amerika

Ko ngā kupu mō United States of America, Te Honongoa o Amerika

Hi Lee, thanks for the thought

But there is no c in the māori language, the word for America
(generic) is Amerika, for the USA it is Te Honongoa o Amerika 

For South America = Amerika ki te tonga (America to the south)

Here ends a little te reo Māori lesson :)

Naku noa
Nā Chris

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Re: [Koha] [ByWater Partners] [Koha North America] Your suggestions for a new name of Koha NA

[Stebbings, Wade]

When I travel to Asia where language barriers become more of an issue, and I 
inevitably get asked, “Where are you from?” I often try to respond “correctly” 
by saying US or USA or some variant, but I will continue to get a blank stare 
until I speak the word “America,” and then they understand. For a lot of us, we 
like to think of the Americas as two continents, but for a large part of the 
world the denotation for America is the US.

But I digress.

I really appreciate the link from Mr Davis 
(http://koha-na.org/index.php/Minutes2015-12-09 section “Is Koha for U.S. users 
only or for everyone in North America?”). While this helps the context, 
somewhat, it still does not really elucidate the supposition behind “the 
problem” and “hot water” as I’ve seen used to refer to the basis for this 
decision. In particular, item 3 of the meeting notes mentions that holding an 
annual meeting outside the US would hurt the organization. Is there evidence of 
this, or is this a perception? The note goes on to say certain employers would 
prohibit employees from traveling to another country. Do you really mean 
prohibit? If I worked with one of these organizations and offered to pay my own 
way, even do this on my own time, to travel abroad to a Koha meeting, they 
would still stand in my way? I’m guessing what was meant was cost-prohibitive 
(for the organization to pay for it). Well, guess what? Budgets shifted this 
year at my organization and I cannot travel next spring to Los Angeles—uh, 
that’s in the US, too.

Let’s use precise language if it’s going to be the determiner for big decisions 
that result in moving sites, redirecting URLs, maybe 404s, etc. I agree with 
the sentiment expressed by Mr Brannon and Ms. Rogers regarding wasting time in 
coming up with a name.

—wade

From: 
<partners-boun...@bywatersolutions.com<mailto:partners-boun...@bywatersolutions.com>>
 on behalf of Lee Jamison 
<ldjami...@maryu.marywood.edu<mailto:ldjami...@maryu.marywood.edu>>
Date: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 at 10:59 AM
To: "BRANNON, CHRISTOPHER" 
<cbran...@cdalibrary.org<mailto:cbran...@cdalibrary.org>>
Cc: Francis Devadason 
<francis.devada...@doc.ks.gov<mailto:francis.devada...@doc.ks.gov>>, partners 
<partn...@bywatersolutions.com<mailto:partn...@bywatersolutions.com>>, KohaNA 
<koh...@bywatersolutions.com<mailto:koh...@bywatersolutions.com>>, Koha 
<koha@lists.katipo.co.nz<mailto:koha@lists.katipo.co.nz>>
Subject: Re: [ByWater Partners] [Koha North America] Your suggestions for a new 
name of Koha NA

I just went back to check the correct translation, and in Māori, Merika or 
Amerika both translate to mean the USA. Their word for North America is Amerika 
Te Tai Tokerau so there appears to be a clear distinction between the two, 
though I do acknowledge you make an excellent point Christopher!

On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 11:18 AM, BRANNON, CHRISTOPHER 
<cbran...@cdalibrary.org<mailto:cbran...@cdalibrary.org>> wrote:
Some would argue that “America” is more vague than “North America”, and would 
make the problem bigger.

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[mailto:partners-boun...@bywatersolutions.com<mailto:partners-boun...@bywatersolutions.com>]
 On Behalf Of Lee Jamison
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 8:02 AM
To: Christopher Davis
Cc: Koha; Francis Devadason; partners; KohaNA
Subject: Re: [ByWater Partners] [Koha North America] Your suggestions for a new 
name of Koha NA


Hello everyone (I'm representing a newly-partnered institution),

I've been reading the dialog between everyone and it made me ask myself "Why 
not bring the name back to Koha's original Māori roots?"

So I thought of KohaMerica (could perhaps even be called KM for short) as 
Merica is the Māori word for America.

It seems to roll off the tongue while still being unique and easy to identify.
On Dec 21, 2015 5:47 PM, "Christopher Davis" 
<cgda...@uintah.utah.gov<mailto:cgda...@uintah.utah.gov>> wrote:
Wade, et al,

The Koha NA officers are please to see to much discussion of this
topic on the listservs. If you want to learn the context of why Koha
NA is changing its name, please visit
http://koha-na.org/index.php/Minutes2015-12-09>>.
 In short, Koha NA's
original scope was the U.S. and we d

Re: [Koha] [ByWater Partners] [Koha North America] Your suggestions for a new name of Koha NA

[BRANNON, CHRISTOPHER]

I think too many people have too much time on their hands to squabble about 
stuff.  We could waste a LOT of time trying to come up with something 
wonderful, that rolls off the tongue, and is a cool acronym, and offends the 
least amount of people.

I vote for Koha Super Duper User Group!

___
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IT Coordinator


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Re: [Koha] [ByWater Partners] [Koha North America] Your suggestions for a new name of Koha NA

[Christopher Davis]

LOL :-)

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On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 7:14 PM, Paul A  wrote:
> At 03:47 PM 12/21/2015 -0700, Christopher Davis wrote:
>>
>> The Koha NA officers are please to see to much discussion of this
>> topic on the listservs.
>
>
> Some sanity please: KohaUS or KohaUSA.
>
> Going back a century and a half:
>
> Yankee Koha went to town
> Riding on an email;
> He stuck a feather in his hat,
> And called it MARCaroni.
> Yankee Koha keep it up;
> Yankee Koha dandy,
> Mind the coding and the bugs,
> And with the git be handy.
>
> ... or something like that.
>
> Best -- Paul
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---
> Maritime heritage and history, preservation and conservation,
> research and education through the written word and the arts.
>  and 
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Re: [Koha] [ByWater Partners] [Koha North America] Your suggestions for a new name of Koha NA

[Jesse Lambertson]

I just want to add that I believe in-person meetings are good for human
beings and are often the most efficient way of sharing from each others'
situations and institutional contexts.

I have no opinion on the name issue - just that we strive to meet in-person
as we can.

Thank you,

Jesse

On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Christopher Davis 
wrote:

> LOL :-)
>
> Christopher Davis, MLS
> Systems & E-Services Librarian
> Uintah County Library
> cgda...@uintah.utah.gov
> (435) 789-0091 ext.261
> uintahlibrary.org
> basinlibraries.org
> facebook.com/uintahcountylibrary
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 7:14 PM, Paul A 
> wrote:
> > At 03:47 PM 12/21/2015 -0700, Christopher Davis wrote:
> >>
> >> The Koha NA officers are please to see to much discussion of this
> >> topic on the listservs.
> >
> >
> > Some sanity please: KohaUS or KohaUSA.
> >
> > Going back a century and a half:
> >
> > Yankee Koha went to town
> > Riding on an email;
> > He stuck a feather in his hat,
> > And called it MARCaroni.
> > Yankee Koha keep it up;
> > Yankee Koha dandy,
> > Mind the coding and the bugs,
> > And with the git be handy.
> >
> > ... or something like that.
> >
> > Best -- Paul
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---
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> > research and education through the written word and the arts.
> >  and 
> >
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Re: [Koha] [ByWater Partners] [Koha North America] Your suggestions for a new name of Koha NA

[Francis Devadason]

Why do we have to travel? We can have online conferencing.

-Original Message-
From: Koha [mailto:koha-boun...@lists.katipo.co.nz] On Behalf Of Stebbings, Wade
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2015 10:14 AM
To: Owen Leonard; Koha
Cc: KohaNA; partners
Subject: Re: [Koha] [ByWater Partners] [Koha North America] Your suggestions 
for a new name of Koha NA

Owen,

Christopher said ³for many, travel outside of the U.S. Is prohibited,² which 
sounds more like travel constraints due to policy reasons, not due to cost. If 
we¹re really talking about cost-optimization, then the focus on contiguous-US 
is misplaced: cost has more to do with location than distance, some locations 
are simply much higher cost to stay. For example, my recent conference trip to 
Chicago (c. 400 miles), flying and driving were close to the same cost, but the 
cost of accommodations by far exceeded everything else. Chicago is expensive, 
New York is expensive, San Francisco is expensive, Winnipeg is not. It has 
nothing to do with political boundaries. The majority of Canadian population 
lives relatively close to the Canadian-US border, Edmonton being the most 
egregious outlier.

Agreed, we need to step back and rethink, What problem are we trying to solve? 
ŒHot water¹ doesn¹t say much.

If that answer drives the shape and expanse of the organization, or chapter, 
then fine. But not until that is decided do we name something. It is now 
obvious to me the exercise of naming something is way too premature.

‹wade

On 12/21/15, 8:02 AM, "partners-boun...@bywatersolutions.com on behalf of Owen 
Leonard" <partners-boun...@bywatersolutions.com on behalf of 
oleon...@myacpl.org> wrote:

>I think everyone needs to pause and reflect on what the goal of this 
>process is, because we seem to be continuing to dig this hole deeper 
>instead of climbing out.
>
>> all face-to-face meetings will be
>> held within the contiguous U.S. to ensure that U.S. Koha users have a 
>> better chance to attend them (for many, travel outside of the U.S. is 
>> prohibited).
>
>The goal of this process is to define the terms of a Koha user group 
>which meets within the contiguous United States. This narrow definition 
>is of the location of the meetings, not of those who are welcome in the 
>group.
>
>This rule about meeting locations is not made in order to be 
>exclusionary, but in order to create more opportunities for U.S.
>members to participate. The United States is big, travel is expensive, 
>and libraries don't like to spend money.
>
>I would encourage everyone to make suggestions which don't have "North 
>America" or "America" as a basis. Both terms include areas which are 
>outside the contiguous United States and thus explicitly excluded.
>Take a look at the maps:
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_America
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americas
>
>Terms like "North America" and "America" are WHY we're hot water in the 
>first place.
>
> -- Owen
>
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Re: [Koha] [ByWater Partners] [Koha North America] Your suggestions for a new name of Koha NA

[Stebbings, Wade]

I agree, the frequency of face-to-face meetings can be reduced if it’s too
expensive. However, there is nothing like the serendipity offered by a
face-to-face meeting or conference. And maybe that luxury is something
done infrequently, or maybe with regional chapters.

But I go back to what I said previously: what problem are we trying to
solve?

If it’s about cost, then this new line of discussion has value.

—wade

On 12/21/15, 11:37 AM, "Francis Devadason" <francis.devada...@doc.ks.gov>
wrote:

>Why do we have to travel? We can have online conferencing.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Koha [mailto:koha-boun...@lists.katipo.co.nz] On Behalf Of
>Stebbings, Wade
>Sent: Monday, December 21, 2015 10:14 AM
>To: Owen Leonard; Koha
>Cc: KohaNA; partners
>Subject: Re: [Koha] [ByWater Partners] [Koha North America] Your
>suggestions for a new name of Koha NA
>
>Owen,
>
>Christopher said ³for many, travel outside of the U.S. Is prohibited,²
>which sounds more like travel constraints due to policy reasons, not due
>to cost. If we¹re really talking about cost-optimization, then the focus
>on contiguous-US is misplaced: cost has more to do with location than
>distance, some locations are simply much higher cost to stay. For
>example, my recent conference trip to Chicago (c. 400 miles), flying and
>driving were close to the same cost, but the cost of accommodations by
>far exceeded everything else. Chicago is expensive, New York is
>expensive, San Francisco is expensive, Winnipeg is not. It has nothing to
>do with political boundaries. The majority of Canadian population lives
>relatively close to the Canadian-US border, Edmonton being the most
>egregious outlier.
>
>Agreed, we need to step back and rethink, What problem are we trying to
>solve? ŒHot water¹ doesn¹t say much.
>
>If that answer drives the shape and expanse of the organization, or
>chapter, then fine. But not until that is decided do we name something.
>It is now obvious to me the exercise of naming something is way too
>premature.
>
>‹wade
>
>On 12/21/15, 8:02 AM, "partners-boun...@bywatersolutions.com on behalf of
>Owen Leonard" <partners-boun...@bywatersolutions.com on behalf of
>oleon...@myacpl.org> wrote:
>
>>I think everyone needs to pause and reflect on what the goal of this
>>process is, because we seem to be continuing to dig this hole deeper
>>instead of climbing out.
>>
>>> all face-to-face meetings will be
>>> held within the contiguous U.S. to ensure that U.S. Koha users have a
>>> better chance to attend them (for many, travel outside of the U.S. is
>>> prohibited).
>>
>>The goal of this process is to define the terms of a Koha user group
>>which meets within the contiguous United States. This narrow definition
>>is of the location of the meetings, not of those who are welcome in the
>>group.
>>
>>This rule about meeting locations is not made in order to be
>>exclusionary, but in order to create more opportunities for U.S.
>>members to participate. The United States is big, travel is expensive,
>>and libraries don't like to spend money.
>>
>>I would encourage everyone to make suggestions which don't have "North
>>America" or "America" as a basis. Both terms include areas which are
>>outside the contiguous United States and thus explicitly excluded.
>>Take a look at the maps:
>>
>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_America
>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americas
>>
>>Terms like "North America" and "America" are WHY we're hot water in the
>>first place.
>>
>> -- Owen
>>
>>--
>>Web Developer
>>Athens County Public Libraries
>>http://www.myacpl.org
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Re: [Koha] [ByWater Partners] [Koha North America] Your suggestions for a new name of Koha NA

[Estes, Mark, Law Library]

Good to hear

-Original Message-
From: partners-boun...@bywatersolutions.com 
[mailto:partners-boun...@bywatersolutions.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Davis
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2015 2:47 PM
To: Stebbings, Wade <wade.stebbi...@walkerart.org>
Cc: Francis Devadason <francis.devada...@doc.ks.gov>; partners 
<partn...@bywatersolutions.com>; KohaNA <koh...@bywatersolutions.com>; Koha 
<koha@lists.katipo.co.nz>
Subject: Re: [ByWater Partners] [Koha North America] Your suggestions for a new 
name of Koha NA

Wade, et al,

The Koha NA officers are please to see to much discussion of this topic on the 
listservs. If you want to learn the context of why Koha NA is changing its 
name, please visit . In short, Koha 
NA's original scope was the U.S. and we do not want our name to indicate North 
America when we are not able to physically meet outside of the U.S.

FYI: Our monthly meetings (you're all invited to our next meeting: Jan 13, 
2016) are held online and so international boarders typically do not pose any 
obstacle like they do when meeting face-to-face.

Merry Christmas,

Christopher Davis
Secretary, Koha NA

On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Stebbings, Wade 
<wade.stebbi...@walkerart.org> wrote:
> I agree, the frequency of face-to-face meetings can be reduced if it’s 
> too expensive. However, there is nothing like the serendipity offered 
> by a face-to-face meeting or conference. And maybe that luxury is 
> something done infrequently, or maybe with regional chapters.
>
> But I go back to what I said previously: what problem are we trying to 
> solve?
>
> If it’s about cost, then this new line of discussion has value.
>
> —wade
>
> On 12/21/15, 11:37 AM, "Francis Devadason" 
> <francis.devada...@doc.ks.gov>
> wrote:
>
>>Why do we have to travel? We can have online conferencing.
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: Koha [mailto:koha-boun...@lists.katipo.co.nz] On Behalf Of 
>>Stebbings, Wade
>>Sent: Monday, December 21, 2015 10:14 AM
>>To: Owen Leonard; Koha
>>Cc: KohaNA; partners
>>Subject: Re: [Koha] [ByWater Partners] [Koha North America] Your 
>>suggestions for a new name of Koha NA
>>
>>Owen,
>>
>>Christopher said ³for many, travel outside of the U.S. Is prohibited,² 
>>which sounds more like travel constraints due to policy reasons, not 
>>due to cost. If we¹re really talking about cost-optimization, then the 
>>focus on contiguous-US is misplaced: cost has more to do with location 
>>than distance, some locations are simply much higher cost to stay. For 
>>example, my recent conference trip to Chicago (c. 400 miles), flying 
>>and driving were close to the same cost, but the cost of 
>>accommodations by far exceeded everything else. Chicago is expensive, 
>>New York is expensive, San Francisco is expensive, Winnipeg is not. It 
>>has nothing to do with political boundaries. The majority of Canadian 
>>population lives relatively close to the Canadian-US border, Edmonton 
>>being the most egregious outlier.
>>
>>Agreed, we need to step back and rethink, What problem are we trying 
>>to solve? ŒHot water¹ doesn¹t say much.
>>
>>If that answer drives the shape and expanse of the organization, or 
>>chapter, then fine. But not until that is decided do we name something.
>>It is now obvious to me the exercise of naming something is way too 
>>premature.
>>
>>‹wade
>>
>>On 12/21/15, 8:02 AM, "partners-boun...@bywatersolutions.com on behalf 
>>of Owen Leonard" <partners-boun...@bywatersolutions.com on behalf of 
>>oleon...@myacpl.org> wrote:
>>
>>>I think everyone needs to pause and reflect on what the goal of this 
>>>process is, because we seem to be continuing to dig this hole deeper 
>>>instead of climbing out.
>>>
>>>> all face-to-face meetings will be
>>>> held within the contiguous U.S. to ensure that U.S. Koha users have 
>>>> a better chance to attend them (for many, travel outside of the 
>>>> U.S. is prohibited).
>>>
>>>The goal of this process is to define the terms of a Koha user group 
>>>which meets within the contiguous United States. This narrow 
>>>definition is of the location of the meetings, not of those who are 
>>>welcome in the group.
>>>
>>>This rule about meeting locations is not made in order to be 
>>>exclusionary, but in order to create more opportunities for U.S.
>>>members to participate. The United States is big, travel is 
>>>expensive, and libraries don't like to spend money.
>>&g

Re: [Koha] [ByWater Partners] [Koha North America] Your suggestions for a new name of Koha NA

[Christopher Davis]

Wade, et al,

The Koha NA officers are please to see to much discussion of this
topic on the listservs. If you want to learn the context of why Koha
NA is changing its name, please visit
. In short, Koha NA's
original scope was the U.S. and we do not want our name to indicate
North America when we are not able to physically meet outside of the
U.S.

FYI: Our monthly meetings (you're all invited to our next meeting: Jan
13, 2016) are held online and so international boarders typically do
not pose any obstacle like they do when meeting face-to-face.

Merry Christmas,

Christopher Davis
Secretary, Koha NA

On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Stebbings, Wade
<wade.stebbi...@walkerart.org> wrote:
> I agree, the frequency of face-to-face meetings can be reduced if it’s too
> expensive. However, there is nothing like the serendipity offered by a
> face-to-face meeting or conference. And maybe that luxury is something
> done infrequently, or maybe with regional chapters.
>
> But I go back to what I said previously: what problem are we trying to
> solve?
>
> If it’s about cost, then this new line of discussion has value.
>
> —wade
>
> On 12/21/15, 11:37 AM, "Francis Devadason" <francis.devada...@doc.ks.gov>
> wrote:
>
>>Why do we have to travel? We can have online conferencing.
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: Koha [mailto:koha-boun...@lists.katipo.co.nz] On Behalf Of
>>Stebbings, Wade
>>Sent: Monday, December 21, 2015 10:14 AM
>>To: Owen Leonard; Koha
>>Cc: KohaNA; partners
>>Subject: Re: [Koha] [ByWater Partners] [Koha North America] Your
>>suggestions for a new name of Koha NA
>>
>>Owen,
>>
>>Christopher said ³for many, travel outside of the U.S. Is prohibited,²
>>which sounds more like travel constraints due to policy reasons, not due
>>to cost. If we¹re really talking about cost-optimization, then the focus
>>on contiguous-US is misplaced: cost has more to do with location than
>>distance, some locations are simply much higher cost to stay. For
>>example, my recent conference trip to Chicago (c. 400 miles), flying and
>>driving were close to the same cost, but the cost of accommodations by
>>far exceeded everything else. Chicago is expensive, New York is
>>expensive, San Francisco is expensive, Winnipeg is not. It has nothing to
>>do with political boundaries. The majority of Canadian population lives
>>relatively close to the Canadian-US border, Edmonton being the most
>>egregious outlier.
>>
>>Agreed, we need to step back and rethink, What problem are we trying to
>>solve? ŒHot water¹ doesn¹t say much.
>>
>>If that answer drives the shape and expanse of the organization, or
>>chapter, then fine. But not until that is decided do we name something.
>>It is now obvious to me the exercise of naming something is way too
>>premature.
>>
>>‹wade
>>
>>On 12/21/15, 8:02 AM, "partners-boun...@bywatersolutions.com on behalf of
>>Owen Leonard" <partners-boun...@bywatersolutions.com on behalf of
>>oleon...@myacpl.org> wrote:
>>
>>>I think everyone needs to pause and reflect on what the goal of this
>>>process is, because we seem to be continuing to dig this hole deeper
>>>instead of climbing out.
>>>
>>>> all face-to-face meetings will be
>>>> held within the contiguous U.S. to ensure that U.S. Koha users have a
>>>> better chance to attend them (for many, travel outside of the U.S. is
>>>> prohibited).
>>>
>>>The goal of this process is to define the terms of a Koha user group
>>>which meets within the contiguous United States. This narrow definition
>>>is of the location of the meetings, not of those who are welcome in the
>>>group.
>>>
>>>This rule about meeting locations is not made in order to be
>>>exclusionary, but in order to create more opportunities for U.S.
>>>members to participate. The United States is big, travel is expensive,
>>>and libraries don't like to spend money.
>>>
>>>I would encourage everyone to make suggestions which don't have "North
>>>America" or "America" as a basis. Both terms include areas which are
>>>outside the contiguous United States and thus explicitly excluded.
>>>Take a look at the maps:
>>>
>>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_America
>>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americas
>>>
>>>Terms like "North America" and "America" are WHY we're hot water in the
>>>first place.
>>>
>>> -- Owen
>>>
>>>--
>>>

Re: [Koha] [ByWater Partners] [Koha North America] Your suggestions for a new name of Koha NA

[Paul A]

At 03:47 PM 12/21/2015 -0700, Christopher Davis wrote:

The Koha NA officers are please to see to much discussion of this
topic on the listservs.


Some sanity please: KohaUS or KohaUSA.

Going back a century and a half:

Yankee Koha went to town
Riding on an email;
He stuck a feather in his hat,
And called it MARCaroni.
Yankee Koha keep it up;
Yankee Koha dandy,
Mind the coding and the bugs,
And with the git be handy.

... or something like that.

Best -- Paul






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[Paul A]

At 03:47 PM 12/21/2015 -0700, Christopher Davis wrote:

The Koha NA officers are please to see to much discussion of this
topic on the listservs.


Some sanity please: KohaUS or KohaUSA.

Going back a century and a half:

Yankee Koha went to town
Riding on an email;
He stuck a feather in his hat,
And called it MARCaroni.
Yankee Koha keep it up;
Yankee Koha dandy,
Mind the coding and the bugs,
And with the git be handy.

... or something like that.

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Re: [Koha] [ByWater Partners] [Koha North America] Your suggestions for a new name of Koha NA

[Kyle Hall]

I personally like KohaUS ( or should it be KoHaUS ). It indicates it is US
centric, and more importantly, it can be pronounced ( Ko-House ).

Kyle

On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 9:02 AM, Owen Leonard  wrote:

> I think everyone needs to pause and reflect on what the goal of this
> process is, because we seem to be continuing to dig this hole deeper
> instead of climbing out.
>
> > all face-to-face meetings will be
> > held within the contiguous U.S. to ensure that U.S. Koha users have a
> > better chance to attend them (for many, travel outside of the U.S. is
> > prohibited).
>
> The goal of this process is to define the terms of a Koha user group
> which meets within the contiguous United States. This narrow
> definition is of the location of the meetings, not of those who are
> welcome in the group.
>
> This rule about meeting locations is not made in order to be
> exclusionary, but in order to create more opportunities for U.S.
> members to participate. The United States is big, travel is expensive,
> and libraries don't like to spend money.
>
> I would encourage everyone to make suggestions which don't have "North
> America" or "America" as a basis. Both terms include areas which are
> outside the contiguous United States and thus explicitly excluded.
> Take a look at the maps:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_America
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americas
>
> Terms like "North America" and "America" are WHY we're hot water in
> the first place.
>
>  -- Owen
>
> --
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> Athens County Public Libraries
> http://www.myacpl.org
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Re: [Koha] [ByWater Partners] [Koha North America] Your suggestions for a new name of Koha NA

[Stebbings, Wade]

Owen,

Christopher said ³for many, travel outside of the U.S. Is prohibited,²
which sounds more like travel constraints due to policy reasons, not due
to cost. If we¹re really talking about cost-optimization, then the focus
on contiguous-US is misplaced: cost has more to do with location than
distance, some locations are simply much higher cost to stay. For example,
my recent conference trip to Chicago (c. 400 miles), flying and driving
were close to the same cost, but the cost of accommodations by far
exceeded everything else. Chicago is expensive, New York is expensive, San
Francisco is expensive, Winnipeg is not. It has nothing to do with
political boundaries. The majority of Canadian population lives relatively
close to the Canadian-US border, Edmonton being the most egregious outlier.

Agreed, we need to step back and rethink, What problem are we trying to
solve? ŒHot water¹ doesn¹t say much.

If that answer drives the shape and expanse of the organization, or
chapter, then fine. But not until that is decided do we name something. It
is now obvious to me the exercise of naming something is way too premature.

‹wade

On 12/21/15, 8:02 AM, "partners-boun...@bywatersolutions.com on behalf of
Owen Leonard"  wrote:

>I think everyone needs to pause and reflect on what the goal of this
>process is, because we seem to be continuing to dig this hole deeper
>instead of climbing out.
>
>> all face-to-face meetings will be
>> held within the contiguous U.S. to ensure that U.S. Koha users have a
>> better chance to attend them (for many, travel outside of the U.S. is
>> prohibited).
>
>The goal of this process is to define the terms of a Koha user group
>which meets within the contiguous United States. This narrow
>definition is of the location of the meetings, not of those who are
>welcome in the group.
>
>This rule about meeting locations is not made in order to be
>exclusionary, but in order to create more opportunities for U.S.
>members to participate. The United States is big, travel is expensive,
>and libraries don't like to spend money.
>
>I would encourage everyone to make suggestions which don't have "North
>America" or "America" as a basis. Both terms include areas which are
>outside the contiguous United States and thus explicitly excluded.
>Take a look at the maps:
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_America
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americas
>
>Terms like "North America" and "America" are WHY we're hot water in
>the first place.
>
> -- Owen
>
>-- 
>Web Developer
>Athens County Public Libraries
>http://www.myacpl.org
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