Re: [Koha] [Koha-devel] Koha Development IRC Meeting reminder - March 8, 19 UTC

[Tomas Cohen Arazi]

At that time, I can chair, for about 45 minutes.

El mar., 7 mar. 2017 a las 20:33, Nick Clemens ()
escribió:

> HI All!
>
> Just a reminder that tomorrow at 19 UTC is the next Koha Developers IRC
> meeting.
>
> Conversion to local time here:
>
> https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Koha+Developers+IRC+Meeting=20170308T19
>
> The agenda is here:
> https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_8_March_2017
>
> Please add any items you wish to talk about to the wiki.
>
> I am at code4lib this week so will miss the meeting - I hope someone will
> volunteer to chair :-)
>
> -Nick
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Re: [Koha] [Koha-devel] Koha Development meeting reminder - 11 January 2016

[Owen Leonard]

If you didn't get the plain text version of that announcement you may
end up getting the wrong link for the date and time.

Just in case:

https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Koha+Developers+IRC+Meeting=20170111T20

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Re: [Koha] [Koha-devel] Koha development

[Renvoize, Martin]

Adding into the mixing pot, I agree with all the above comments and that is
hard to measure.

In the blunted of terms ptfs Europe has 2.5 FTE devs working on koha, plus
2 FTE in koha support who also sign off on patches so that's development
time in you metric right? Outside of hours in sure our team contribute
more, for instance on average I also add anything between 1 and 10 hours a
week to my qa role and another 1 to 3 hours on my module maintainer role.
So in effect should I count as more than one fte.

I best put the usual gymph in that the above are just my own estimates, or
company is constantly growing and changing to meet demand and as such our
numbers will always fluctuate around the above averages.

Martin
On 20 Feb 2015 06:26, Brendan Gallagher i...@bywatersolutions.com wrote:

 Marshall -

 I think we are all curious to what you are going to say here?

 Thanks,
 Brendan

 On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 12:21 AM, Magnus Enger mag...@libriotech.no
 wrote:

 Hi!

 On 12 February 2015 at 15:07, Marshall Breeding
 marshall.breed...@librarytechnology.org wrote:
  Could each of the support firms or individuals involved in Koha
 development
  please either post to this list or send to me individually the FTE that
 you
  or your organization contributes for each of the major categories of
  activity?

 Libriotech is (so far!) a one man band, I am the sole employee. That
 is the easy part.

 In 2014 I held a temporary part time position at Oslo Public Library,
 so all my work on Koha was done on their time.

 In 2015 I plan to do some development and some QA and contribute to
 the Koha wiki. Maybe, if I'm lucky, I can achieve this:

 Development: 4-50%
 QA: 10%

 But I also have customers I need to keep happy, so only time will tell
 how it actually turns out...

 Best regards,
 Magnus Enger
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Re: [Koha] [Koha-devel] Koha development

[Brendan Gallagher]

Marshall -

I think we are all curious to what you are going to say here?

Thanks,
Brendan

On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 12:21 AM, Magnus Enger mag...@libriotech.no wrote:

 Hi!

 On 12 February 2015 at 15:07, Marshall Breeding
 marshall.breed...@librarytechnology.org wrote:
  Could each of the support firms or individuals involved in Koha
 development
  please either post to this list or send to me individually the FTE that
 you
  or your organization contributes for each of the major categories of
  activity?

 Libriotech is (so far!) a one man band, I am the sole employee. That
 is the easy part.

 In 2014 I held a temporary part time position at Oslo Public Library,
 so all my work on Koha was done on their time.

 In 2015 I plan to do some development and some QA and contribute to
 the Koha wiki. Maybe, if I'm lucky, I can achieve this:

 Development: 4-50%
 QA: 10%

 But I also have customers I need to keep happy, so only time will tell
 how it actually turns out...

 Best regards,
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Re: [Koha] [Koha-devel] Koha development

[Magnus Enger]

Hi!

On 12 February 2015 at 15:07, Marshall Breeding
marshall.breed...@librarytechnology.org wrote:
 Could each of the support firms or individuals involved in Koha development
 please either post to this list or send to me individually the FTE that you
 or your organization contributes for each of the major categories of
 activity?

Libriotech is (so far!) a one man band, I am the sole employee. That
is the easy part.

In 2014 I held a temporary part time position at Oslo Public Library,
so all my work on Koha was done on their time.

In 2015 I plan to do some development and some QA and contribute to
the Koha wiki. Maybe, if I'm lucky, I can achieve this:

Development: 4-50%
QA: 10%

But I also have customers I need to keep happy, so only time will tell
how it actually turns out...

Best regards,
Magnus Enger
Libriotech
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Re: [Koha] [Koha-devel] Koha development

[Mengu Yazicioglu]

I'd like to also add our company,

We've just started to develop for Koha 9 months ago, however, we support 
(I think) the biggest public library ogranization in the world in count,

1120 public libraries of Turkey.

Our team is 5 FTE for the moment, including developers, documentation, 
support and management.


Thanks.

Mengu
Devinim Software

On 02/12/2015 11:24 PM, Brendan Gallagher wrote:

Now that we have a better idea of the answer you are looking for.

Roughly estimating all companies that support Koha (12 of them in India, 6
in Spain alone) I'd say Koha is 1500+ easily.

On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 1:22 PM, Chris Cormack ch...@bigballofwax.co.nz
wrote:



On 13 February 2015 at 10:14, Marshall Breeding 
marshall.breed...@librarytechnology.org wrote:


  Brendan,



Some personnel FTE numbers from last year can be seen on the tables from
the Library Systems Report:


http://www.americanlibrariesmagazine.org/sites/americanlibrariesmagazine.org/files/content/Charts_MarshallBreeding.pdf



The numbers are for the company overall, and not limited to efforts
expended on specific products or projects.




In that case for Catalyst there are 235 staff, of which 182 are devs

Chris






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Re: [Koha] [Koha-devel] Koha development

[Tomas Cohen Arazi]

I'm not sure how to count it either. This would be my estimate.

I spend 50% of my time doing Release Manager duties, the rest is spent
working on development and documentation. But if I count the amount of
hours I work for Koha, I should count a total of 1.3 FTE, I guess. If I
count Bernardo, it'd be something like:

Universidad Nacional de Cordoba (Tomas + Bernardo)
Quality Assurance: 0.6 FTE + 0,1 FTE = 0.6 FTE
Development: 0.5 FTE + 0.1 FTE = 0.6 FTE
Documentation:  0.2 FTE

Community participation is difficult to count.

I'm interested on the numbers you can collect. My hypothesis would be that
more development allocation is available than most proprietary ILS
products. Of course it fluctuates every year, but the OpenHub numbers speak
of themselves 88 contributors for 2014. Unfortunately I cannot find a way
to get the COCOMO-model invested working hours.

Good luck, Marshall!


On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 2:17 PM, Marshall Breeding 
marshall.breed...@librarytechnology.org wrote:

 Paul,

 This estimate helps quite a bit.  Part of what I'm working toward is being
 able to have a figure for Koha that corresponds to what the vendors
 developing proprietary products allocate to product development.  They also
 have lots of staff devoted to things like marketing and administration, but
 the point of comparison is the FTE allocated to development.  My hypothesis
 is that the overall development allocation for Koha is similar to that for
 proprietary ILS products and I hope to be able to document that to some
 degree.

 -marshall



 -Original Message-
 From: koha-devel-boun...@lists.koha-community.org [mailto:
 koha-devel-boun...@lists.koha-community.org] On Behalf Of Paul Poulain
 Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 11:03 AM
 To: koha@lists.katipo.co.nz; koha-de...@lists.koha-community.org
 Subject: Re: [Koha-devel] [Koha] Koha development

 Le 12/02/2015 15:07, Marshall Breeding a écrit :
  To the Koha development community,
 Hi Marshall,
  Could each of the support firms or individuals involved in Koha
 development please either post to this list or send to me individually the
 FTE that you or your organization contributes for each of the major
 categories of activity?
 
 Really : it's impossible to evaluate properly.
 some numbers can be evaluated, some can't.

 For example, BibLibre :
   * has Jonathan working full time on Koha. Half time dedicated to the
 community, half time dedicated to development sponsored by customers (but
 still on Koha, and for a direct benefit of the Koha community). So, OK,
 jonathan = 1 FTE
   * has Fridolin being Release Maintainer. He releases a version every
 month (4 hours to package it, roughly), plus a variable number of hours to
 push patches (between 1 and 10 ? it depends on what is waiting to be
 pushed. Let's say an average of 5 hours). 1 version every month, 9 hours
 per version = 9*12 = 118 (this number is wrong, it's an estimate)
   * has a support team of 3 (including fridolin), that regularly submit
 bugfixes. Frankly, we don't count the specific time dedicated to fixing a
 bug and submitting a patch vs the time dedicated to the customer.
   * has other developers regularly submitting patches (julian, matthias,
 ...)
   * has me ... who does not submit patches anymore, but I'm trying to
 organize all the work at BibLibre, do some non-dev things for the
 community. Should I count this ? I think yes, because (I hope), the project
 also move through non technical work.
   * has all our staff participate to the hackfest in Europe, 1 full week
 in march = 17*40 ?
   * has 2 or more ppl going to the KohaCon every year.

 Overall, I really really can't calculate the involvment of BibLibre as you
 ask, I'm sorry. Maybe saying 3 FTE is a rough-not-illogic estimate, but
 it's an estimate !

 HTH

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Re: [Koha] [Koha-devel] Koha development

[Chris Cormack]

On 13 February 2015 at 10:14, Marshall Breeding 
marshall.breed...@librarytechnology.org wrote:

  Brendan,



 Some personnel FTE numbers from last year can be seen on the tables from
 the Library Systems Report:


 http://www.americanlibrariesmagazine.org/sites/americanlibrariesmagazine.org/files/content/Charts_MarshallBreeding.pdf



 The numbers are for the company overall, and not limited to efforts
 expended on specific products or projects.




 In that case for Catalyst there are 235 staff, of which 182 are devs

Chris
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Re: [Koha] [Koha-devel] Koha development

[Brendan Gallagher]

I would be much happier using the numbers that Tomás pointed out (which is
a much different story then FTE).  Marshall could you maybe ask these
proprietary companies to match our numbers, instead of the other way around
- then you'd get a much better idea of what's actually happening.

For example, we have about 3000 patches submitted a year from close to 100
different authors.  Let's just say that it's 6 hours average to write and
submit the patches (so we are at 18,000 hours there), then it's 3 hours
average to sign off the patches (9,000 hrs), then 3 hours average to QA the
patches (another 9,000 hrs).   Thats 9 FTE right there (and that's being
generous with my averaging - also those FTE aren't checking facebook etc ;)
)   And that is only a small portion of the whole picture, I haven't even
gotten into the RMs or RMaints responsibilities or anything that goes with
packaging the release, then we've got all the documentation people too.  OR
even the amount of time to manage such large amounts of code (which I'm
sure the proprietaries are counting in their results).

Please anyone adjust my numbers above and I'm only just really guessing and
the amount of time to write the patches in the first place should could
needs to be doubled to 12 hours on average.

Just some food for thought.  Also we'd be interested in what the
blackbox/closed systems are reporting for your question?

On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 9:31 AM, Tomas Cohen Arazi tomasco...@gmail.com
wrote:

 I'm not sure how to count it either. This would be my estimate.

 I spend 50% of my time doing Release Manager duties, the rest is spent
 working on development and documentation. But if I count the amount of
 hours I work for Koha, I should count a total of 1.3 FTE, I guess. If I
 count Bernardo, it'd be something like:

 Universidad Nacional de Cordoba (Tomas + Bernardo)
 Quality Assurance: 0.6 FTE + 0,1 FTE = 0.6 FTE
 Development: 0.5 FTE + 0.1 FTE = 0.6 FTE
 Documentation:  0.2 FTE

 Community participation is difficult to count.

 I'm interested on the numbers you can collect. My hypothesis would be that
 more development allocation is available than most proprietary ILS
 products. Of course it fluctuates every year, but the OpenHub numbers speak
 of themselves 88 contributors for 2014. Unfortunately I cannot find a way
 to get the COCOMO-model invested working hours.

 Good luck, Marshall!


 On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 2:17 PM, Marshall Breeding 
 marshall.breed...@librarytechnology.org wrote:

 Paul,

 This estimate helps quite a bit.  Part of what I'm working toward is
 being able to have a figure for Koha that corresponds to what the vendors
 developing proprietary products allocate to product development.  They also
 have lots of staff devoted to things like marketing and administration, but
 the point of comparison is the FTE allocated to development.  My hypothesis
 is that the overall development allocation for Koha is similar to that for
 proprietary ILS products and I hope to be able to document that to some
 degree.

 -marshall



 -Original Message-
 From: koha-devel-boun...@lists.koha-community.org [mailto:
 koha-devel-boun...@lists.koha-community.org] On Behalf Of Paul Poulain
 Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 11:03 AM
 To: koha@lists.katipo.co.nz; koha-de...@lists.koha-community.org
 Subject: Re: [Koha-devel] [Koha] Koha development

 Le 12/02/2015 15:07, Marshall Breeding a écrit :
  To the Koha development community,
 Hi Marshall,
  Could each of the support firms or individuals involved in Koha
 development please either post to this list or send to me individually the
 FTE that you or your organization contributes for each of the major
 categories of activity?
 
 Really : it's impossible to evaluate properly.
 some numbers can be evaluated, some can't.

 For example, BibLibre :
   * has Jonathan working full time on Koha. Half time dedicated to the
 community, half time dedicated to development sponsored by customers (but
 still on Koha, and for a direct benefit of the Koha community). So, OK,
 jonathan = 1 FTE
   * has Fridolin being Release Maintainer. He releases a version every
 month (4 hours to package it, roughly), plus a variable number of hours to
 push patches (between 1 and 10 ? it depends on what is waiting to be
 pushed. Let's say an average of 5 hours). 1 version every month, 9 hours
 per version = 9*12 = 118 (this number is wrong, it's an estimate)
   * has a support team of 3 (including fridolin), that regularly submit
 bugfixes. Frankly, we don't count the specific time dedicated to fixing a
 bug and submitting a patch vs the time dedicated to the customer.
   * has other developers regularly submitting patches (julian, matthias,
 ...)
   * has me ... who does not submit patches anymore, but I'm trying to
 organize all the work at BibLibre, do some non-dev things for the
 community. Should I count this ? I think yes, because (I hope), the project
 also move through non technical work.
   * has all our 

Re: [Koha] [Koha-devel] Koha development

[Marshall Breeding]

Brendan,

Some personnel FTE numbers from last year can be seen on the tables from the 
Library Systems Report:
http://www.americanlibrariesmagazine.org/sites/americanlibrariesmagazine.org/files/content/Charts_MarshallBreeding.pdf

The numbers are for the company overall, and not limited to efforts expended on 
specific products or projects.

-marshall

From: Brendan Gallagher [mailto:i...@bywatersolutions.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 3:04 PM
To: Tomas Cohen Arazi
Cc: Marshall Breeding; koha@lists.katipo.co.nz; 
koha-de...@lists.koha-community.org
Subject: Re: [Koha-devel] [Koha] Koha development

I would be much happier using the numbers that Tomás pointed out (which is a 
much different story then FTE).  Marshall could you maybe ask these proprietary 
companies to match our numbers, instead of the other way around - then you'd 
get a much better idea of what's actually happening.

For example, we have about 3000 patches submitted a year from close to 100 
different authors.  Let's just say that it's 6 hours average to write and 
submit the patches (so we are at 18,000 hours there), then it's 3 hours average 
to sign off the patches (9,000 hrs), then 3 hours average to QA the patches 
(another 9,000 hrs).   Thats 9 FTE right there (and that's being generous with 
my averaging - also those FTE aren't checking facebook etc ;) )   And that is 
only a small portion of the whole picture, I haven't even gotten into the RMs 
or RMaints responsibilities or anything that goes with packaging the release, 
then we've got all the documentation people too.  OR even the amount of time to 
manage such large amounts of code (which I'm sure the proprietaries are 
counting in their results).

Please anyone adjust my numbers above and I'm only just really guessing and the 
amount of time to write the patches in the first place should could needs to be 
doubled to 12 hours on average.

Just some food for thought.  Also we'd be interested in what the 
blackbox/closed systems are reporting for your question?

On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 9:31 AM, Tomas Cohen Arazi 
tomasco...@gmail.commailto:tomasco...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm not sure how to count it either. This would be my estimate.

I spend 50% of my time doing Release Manager duties, the rest is spent working 
on development and documentation. But if I count the amount of hours I work for 
Koha, I should count a total of 1.3 FTE, I guess. If I count Bernardo, it'd be 
something like:

Universidad Nacional de Cordoba (Tomas + Bernardo)
Quality Assurance: 0.6 FTE + 0,1 FTE = 0.6 FTE
Development: 0.5 FTE + 0.1 FTE = 0.6 FTE
Documentation:  0.2 FTE

Community participation is difficult to count.

I'm interested on the numbers you can collect. My hypothesis would be that more 
development allocation is available than most proprietary ILS products. Of 
course it fluctuates every year, but the OpenHub numbers speak of themselves 88 
contributors for 2014. Unfortunately I cannot find a way to get the 
COCOMO-model invested working hours.

Good luck, Marshall!


On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 2:17 PM, Marshall Breeding 
marshall.breed...@librarytechnology.orgmailto:marshall.breed...@librarytechnology.org
 wrote:
Paul,

This estimate helps quite a bit.  Part of what I'm working toward is being able 
to have a figure for Koha that corresponds to what the vendors developing 
proprietary products allocate to product development.  They also have lots of 
staff devoted to things like marketing and administration, but the point of 
comparison is the FTE allocated to development.  My hypothesis is that the 
overall development allocation for Koha is similar to that for proprietary ILS 
products and I hope to be able to document that to some degree.

-marshall



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Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 11:03 AM
To: koha@lists.katipo.co.nzmailto:koha@lists.katipo.co.nz; 
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Subject: Re: [Koha-devel] [Koha] Koha development

Le 12/02/2015 15:07, Marshall Breeding a écrit :
 To the Koha development community,
Hi Marshall,
 Could each of the support firms or individuals involved in Koha development 
 please either post to this list or send to me individually the FTE that you 
 or your organization contributes for each of the major categories of activity?

Really : it's impossible to evaluate properly.
some numbers can be evaluated, some can't.

For example, BibLibre :
  * has Jonathan working full time on Koha. Half time dedicated to the 
community, half time dedicated to development sponsored by customers (but still 
on Koha, and for a direct benefit of the Koha community). So, OK, jonathan = 1 
FTE
  * has Fridolin being Release Maintainer. He releases a version every month 

Re: [Koha] [Koha-devel] Koha development

[Brendan Gallagher]

Now that we have a better idea of the answer you are looking for.

Roughly estimating all companies that support Koha (12 of them in India, 6
in Spain alone) I'd say Koha is 1500+ easily.

On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 1:22 PM, Chris Cormack ch...@bigballofwax.co.nz
wrote:



 On 13 February 2015 at 10:14, Marshall Breeding 
 marshall.breed...@librarytechnology.org wrote:

  Brendan,



 Some personnel FTE numbers from last year can be seen on the tables from
 the Library Systems Report:


 http://www.americanlibrariesmagazine.org/sites/americanlibrariesmagazine.org/files/content/Charts_MarshallBreeding.pdf



 The numbers are for the company overall, and not limited to efforts
 expended on specific products or projects.




 In that case for Catalyst there are 235 staff, of which 182 are devs

 Chris




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Re: [Koha] [Koha-devel] Koha development

[Brendan Gallagher]

And that misses the point, That's just companies - were a majority is
volunteer time.  Like Chris is paid to work on Koha 1 FTE, but that's only
about 1/2 of the amount of time he works on Koha, easily another 40 hours a
week is all completely volunteer.

Good difficult questions Marshall (you totally got me thinking today - I
love it) - I don't think the project will ever be fairly compared.  I'd
just say the open source project rocks all by itself ;)



On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 1:24 PM, Brendan Gallagher 
i...@bywatersolutions.com wrote:

 Now that we have a better idea of the answer you are looking for.

 Roughly estimating all companies that support Koha (12 of them in India, 6
 in Spain alone) I'd say Koha is 1500+ easily.

 On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 1:22 PM, Chris Cormack ch...@bigballofwax.co.nz
 wrote:



 On 13 February 2015 at 10:14, Marshall Breeding 
 marshall.breed...@librarytechnology.org wrote:

  Brendan,



 Some personnel FTE numbers from last year can be seen on the tables from
 the Library Systems Report:


 http://www.americanlibrariesmagazine.org/sites/americanlibrariesmagazine.org/files/content/Charts_MarshallBreeding.pdf



 The numbers are for the company overall, and not limited to efforts
 expended on specific products or projects.




 In that case for Catalyst there are 235 staff, of which 182 are devs

 Chris




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[Tomas Cohen Arazi]

Marshall, I don't think we can provide you with that information in that
time frame. We could try, but not sure.

On the other hand, have you seen the project's profile on OpenHub? [1]. It
provides lots of metrics about the projects activity, even developer-wise.
You could take a look and see if it helps. One thing that might be missing
is the mapping individual - company/institution. We could help with
that.

[1] https://www.openhub.net/p/koha

On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 11:07 AM, Marshall Breeding 
marshall.breed...@librarytechnology.org wrote:

  To the Koha development community,



 I am in the process of writing a news story about the recent grant from
 EBSCO Information Services to support some major development initiatives
 for Koha.  This seems to be an important opportunity for the Koha community
 to accelerate development that might have otherwise taken longer to
 accomplish.



 As part of the context for this article, and for other reports and
 presentations that I make that include Koha, I would like to be able to
 provide a quantitative measure of the total amount of personnel resources
 contributed globally towards the development of Koha.  I understand that
 several firms dedicate specific amounts of personnel to Koha development
 and that there are dozens of individuals that make commits to the code,
 write documentation, or perform quality assurance.



 I would appreciate it members of this list would help me compile a current
 figure on the number of FTE involved in Koha development.

 To end up with a consistent quantifiable measure, the following
 definitions would apply:

   1 FTE (full time equivalent) = 1 person working full time for 1 year.

   Full time = 40 hours per week 50 weeks/year.



 An individual that contributes 20 hours per week on Koha for the whole
 year=

  (20 hours per week * 50 weeks per year) / 2000 hours per year =  .5 FTE



 An individual that contributes 20 hours total for the year:

 (20 / 2000) * 100 = 0.01 FTE



 Could each of the support firms or individuals involved in Koha
 development please either post to this list or send to me individually the
 FTE that you or your organization contributes for each of the major
 categories of activity?



 For example:

 Company XYZ: 5 FTE development, 1 FTE Documentation, 1.5 FTE Quality
 Assurance.



 Alternatively, the number of hours per year contributed could be given
 instead of FTE and I’ll perform the calculations.



 If there is a better way to quantify the resources devoted to Koha, I
 would be interested in your suggestions.



 I believe that documenting the development resources involved in Koha will
 help those outside the community have a better understanding of Koha’s
 potential to continue to be enhanced to meet the needs of libraries.



 I need to get this article to the publisher (ALA TechSource) in the next
 day or two, it would be great to hear from you soon.



 Thanks very much for your help with this request.



 -marshall





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Re: [Koha] [Koha-devel] Koha development

[Marshall Breeding]

Thomas,

Even if it takes longer to compile, this information would be very useful.  
Maybe you could provide a rough estimate at first, that could be refined with 
more time.

I have looked at the open hub numbers previously.  Thanks for the reminder to 
reference it.

-marshall


From: Tomas Cohen Arazi [mailto:tomasco...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 8:49 AM
To: Marshall Breeding
Cc: koha-de...@lists.koha-community.org; Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz 
(koha@lists.katipo.co.nz)
Subject: Re: [Koha-devel] Koha development

Marshall, I don't think we can provide you with that information in that time 
frame. We could try, but not sure.

On the other hand, have you seen the project's profile on OpenHub? [1]. It 
provides lots of metrics about the projects activity, even developer-wise. You 
could take a look and see if it helps. One thing that might be missing is the 
mapping individual - company/institution. We could help with that.

[1] https://www.openhub.net/p/koha

On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 11:07 AM, Marshall Breeding 
marshall.breed...@librarytechnology.orgmailto:marshall.breed...@librarytechnology.org
 wrote:
To the Koha development community,

I am in the process of writing a news story about the recent grant from EBSCO 
Information Services to support some major development initiatives for Koha.  
This seems to be an important opportunity for the Koha community to accelerate 
development that might have otherwise taken longer to accomplish.

As part of the context for this article, and for other reports and 
presentations that I make that include Koha, I would like to be able to provide 
a quantitative measure of the total amount of personnel resources contributed 
globally towards the development of Koha.  I understand that several firms 
dedicate specific amounts of personnel to Koha development and that there are 
dozens of individuals that make commits to the code, write documentation, or 
perform quality assurance.

I would appreciate it members of this list would help me compile a current 
figure on the number of FTE involved in Koha development.
To end up with a consistent quantifiable measure, the following definitions 
would apply:
  1 FTE (full time equivalent) = 1 person working full time for 1 year.
  Full time = 40 hours per week 50 weeks/year.

An individual that contributes 20 hours per week on Koha for the whole year=
 (20 hours per week * 50 weeks per year) / 2000 hours per year =  .5 FTE

An individual that contributes 20 hours total for the year:
(20 / 2000) * 100 = 0.01 FTE

Could each of the support firms or individuals involved in Koha development 
please either post to this list or send to me individually the FTE that you or 
your organization contributes for each of the major categories of activity?

For example:
Company XYZ: 5 FTE development, 1 FTE Documentation, 1.5 FTE Quality Assurance.

Alternatively, the number of hours per year contributed could be given instead 
of FTE and I’ll perform the calculations.

If there is a better way to quantify the resources devoted to Koha, I would be 
interested in your suggestions.

I believe that documenting the development resources involved in Koha will help 
those outside the community have a better understanding of Koha’s potential to 
continue to be enhanced to meet the needs of libraries.

I need to get this article to the publisher (ALA TechSource) in the next day or 
two, it would be great to hear from you soon.

Thanks very much for your help with this request.

-marshall


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Re: [Koha] [Koha-devel] Koha development

[Marshall Breeding]

Paul,

This estimate helps quite a bit.  Part of what I'm working toward is being able 
to have a figure for Koha that corresponds to what the vendors developing 
proprietary products allocate to product development.  They also have lots of 
staff devoted to things like marketing and administration, but the point of 
comparison is the FTE allocated to development.  My hypothesis is that the 
overall development allocation for Koha is similar to that for proprietary ILS 
products and I hope to be able to document that to some degree.

-marshall



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[mailto:koha-devel-boun...@lists.koha-community.org] On Behalf Of Paul Poulain
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 11:03 AM
To: koha@lists.katipo.co.nz; koha-de...@lists.koha-community.org
Subject: Re: [Koha-devel] [Koha] Koha development

Le 12/02/2015 15:07, Marshall Breeding a écrit :
 To the Koha development community,
Hi Marshall,
 Could each of the support firms or individuals involved in Koha development 
 please either post to this list or send to me individually the FTE that you 
 or your organization contributes for each of the major categories of activity?

Really : it's impossible to evaluate properly.
some numbers can be evaluated, some can't.

For example, BibLibre :
  * has Jonathan working full time on Koha. Half time dedicated to the 
community, half time dedicated to development sponsored by customers (but still 
on Koha, and for a direct benefit of the Koha community). So, OK, jonathan = 1 
FTE
  * has Fridolin being Release Maintainer. He releases a version every month (4 
hours to package it, roughly), plus a variable number of hours to push patches 
(between 1 and 10 ? it depends on what is waiting to be pushed. Let's say an 
average of 5 hours). 1 version every month, 9 hours per version = 9*12 = 118 
(this number is wrong, it's an estimate)
  * has a support team of 3 (including fridolin), that regularly submit 
bugfixes. Frankly, we don't count the specific time dedicated to fixing a bug 
and submitting a patch vs the time dedicated to the customer.
  * has other developers regularly submitting patches (julian, matthias,
...)
  * has me ... who does not submit patches anymore, but I'm trying to organize 
all the work at BibLibre, do some non-dev things for the community. Should I 
count this ? I think yes, because (I hope), the project also move through non 
technical work.
  * has all our staff participate to the hackfest in Europe, 1 full week in 
march = 17*40 ?
  * has 2 or more ppl going to the KohaCon every year.

Overall, I really really can't calculate the involvment of BibLibre as you ask, 
I'm sorry. Maybe saying 3 FTE is a rough-not-illogic estimate, but it's an 
estimate !

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Re: [Koha] [Koha-devel] Koha development

[Paul A]

Marshall,

Another numbers source that might be helpful to you is 
http://git.koha-community.org/stats/koha-master/index.html


Best regards -- Paul

At 11:48 AM 2/12/2015 -0300, Tomas Cohen Arazi wrote:

Marshall, I don't think we can provide you with that information in that
time frame. We could try, but not sure.

On the other hand, have you seen the project's profile on OpenHub? [1]. It
provides lots of metrics about the projects activity, even developer-wise.
You could take a look and see if it helps. One thing that might be missing
is the mapping individual - company/institution. We could help with
that.

[1] https://www.openhub.net/p/koha

On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 11:07 AM, Marshall Breeding 
marshall.breed...@librarytechnology.org wrote:

  To the Koha development community,



 I am in the process of writing a news story about the recent grant from
 EBSCO Information Services to support some major development initiatives
 for Koha.  This seems to be an important opportunity for the Koha community
 to accelerate development that might have otherwise taken longer to
 accomplish.



 As part of the context for this article, and for other reports and
 presentations that I make that include Koha, I would like to be able to
 provide a quantitative measure of the total amount of personnel resources
 contributed globally towards the development of Koha.  I understand that
 several firms dedicate specific amounts of personnel to Koha development
 and that there are dozens of individuals that make commits to the code,
 write documentation, or perform quality assurance.



 I would appreciate it members of this list would help me compile a current
 figure on the number of FTE involved in Koha development.

 To end up with a consistent quantifiable measure, the following
 definitions would apply:

   1 FTE (full time equivalent) = 1 person working full time for 1 year.

   Full time = 40 hours per week 50 weeks/year.



 An individual that contributes 20 hours per week on Koha for the whole
 year=

  (20 hours per week * 50 weeks per year) / 2000 hours per year =  .5 FTE



 An individual that contributes 20 hours total for the year:

 (20 / 2000) * 100 = 0.01 FTE



 Could each of the support firms or individuals involved in Koha
 development please either post to this list or send to me individually the
 FTE that you or your organization contributes for each of the major
 categories of activity?



 For example:

 Company XYZ: 5 FTE development, 1 FTE Documentation, 1.5 FTE Quality
 Assurance.



 Alternatively, the number of hours per year contributed could be given
 instead of FTE and I’ll perform the calculations.



 If there is a better way to quantify the resources devoted to Koha, I
 would be interested in your suggestions.



 I believe that documenting the development resources involved in Koha will
 help those outside the community have a better understanding of Koha’s
 potential to continue to be enhanced to meet the needs of libraries.



 I need to get this article to the publisher (ALA TechSource) in the next
 day or two, it would be great to hear from you soon.



 Thanks very much for your help with this request.



 -marshall





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 marshall.breed...@librarytechnology.org

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