Re: [Koha] Commentary on Paul's Koha 3.8 Release Manager proposal
Hi Ian, Great Idea. But I fear that what you propose would then lead to having Koha 4.0 be a new Perl 6, i.e. it will never come out (emmm.. no, Perl 6 will be released... some day). You will never be able to provide users with a schedule. And if all the new features are to be integrated step by step in the process. When 4.0 will be released, all its features will already be in 3.xxx. If ppl are to work on plumbings, rebasing the work and making its integration smooth needs to be quick unless you have to manage a de facto fork which leads to more overhead, less effective work. * arbitrary metadata formats (beyond MARC) * arbitrary biblio relationships * full support for authority records, including uploading through the GUI, automatic linking, explode searching and more * improvements to the borrower data structure (fewer pre-defined data fields, more flexibility) * separation of receiving and payment in acquisitions * serials import and export (MFHD, prediction patterns, etc) * many, many more things Are those things asked by users ? I think you are mixing developers and user features. When looking at the General meetings, very few USERS are coming. Why ? From a french point of view, the language frontier is really hard and the way to work is really different from the american way. Making KUDOS meet Kohala and have tight contacts should be a priority in order to make a list of features. I think our system should be user centric. But we should also entice users to sit at a table and get a list of feature in a schedule. Otherwise, you will just have wishfull thinking, and make idle promises. (It was not to come to that that I came into Free Softwares.) You could have added federated search, Full text search in documents and so on. My 2 cents. -- Henri-Damien LAURENT Le 07/09/2011 23:58, Ian Walls a écrit : Everyone, Enclosed is my response to Paul Poulain's proposal for Koha 3.8 Release Manager. The details of his document can be found here: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Proposal_paul_p_RM38 I thoroughly agree that the time has come to start thinking beyond the next stable release, and on to Koha 4.0. Those of you who have seen either my presentation at KohaCon 2010's hackfest or KUDOScon 2011 know I'm very excited about the possibilities of where we can take Koha in it's next major iteration. However, I disagree with a couple of the details of Paul's proposal. The major disagreement is with the timeline. The proposal as it stands is to start working on Koha 3.8 and Koha 4.0 in parallel, with Koha 3.8 releasing April 2012, and Koha 4.0 releasing Oct. 2012. I feel that going from Koha 3.8 directly to 4.0 is unwarranted. To my mind, there are many possible releases between 3.8 and 4.0, like 3.10, 3.12, 3.14 and so forth. This is supported by the actual database version numbers in Koha: the current release is actually 3.04.04; the zeros are squashed out for convenience. I would counter that, while we should continue releasing new features every 6 months on the 3.X line, Koha 4.0 should be defined by it's features. Paul's proposal calls several features to be key, including Solr integration, database abstraction, updated online help, improved authentication stack and automated tests. I agree that all these things are important and should be worked towards, but I'm not convinced they should be the sum total of the changes that define Koha 4.0 I would like to see the following in Koha 4.0: * arbitrary metadata formats (beyond MARC) * arbitrary biblio relationships * full support for authority records, including uploading through the GUI, automatic linking, explode searching and more * improvements to the borrower data structure (fewer pre-defined data fields, more flexibility) * separation of receiving and payment in acquisitions * serials import and export (MFHD, prediction patterns, etc) * many, many more things I think that the community should meet and discuss what features are both desirable and reasonably likely to be completed in the next few years (is there interest by libraries to sponsor these developments, or from developers to code it for fun?). Once a feature set is agreed on to define Koha 4.0, the developers of these features would meet to hash out what underlying structural changes would be required to make them happen. Hopefully commonalities could be found, so that the underlying structure could be developed in a way that accommodates multiple developments at once. Identifying these prerequisite changes early on would reduce the difficulties of rebasing developments, since we'd all be working off a similar set of base assumptions. It would also provide a reasonable basis for excluding or delaying developments that don't fit into the overall plan. Once the features were chosen and a framework for their development
[Koha] Commentary on Paul's Koha 3.8 Release Manager proposal
Everyone, Enclosed is my response to Paul Poulain's proposal for Koha 3.8 Release Manager. The details of his document can be found here: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Proposal_paul_p_RM38 I thoroughly agree that the time has come to start thinking beyond the next stable release, and on to Koha 4.0. Those of you who have seen either my presentation at KohaCon 2010's hackfest or KUDOScon 2011 know I'm very excited about the possibilities of where we can take Koha in it's next major iteration. However, I disagree with a couple of the details of Paul's proposal. The major disagreement is with the timeline. The proposal as it stands is to start working on Koha 3.8 and Koha 4.0 in parallel, with Koha 3.8 releasing April 2012, and Koha 4.0 releasing Oct. 2012. I feel that going from Koha 3.8 directly to 4.0 is unwarranted. To my mind, there are many possible releases between 3.8 and 4.0, like 3.10, 3.12, 3.14 and so forth. This is supported by the actual database version numbers in Koha: the current release is actually 3.04.04; the zeros are squashed out for convenience. I would counter that, while we should continue releasing new features every 6 months on the 3.X line, Koha 4.0 should be defined by it's features. Paul's proposal calls several features to be key, including Solr integration, database abstraction, updated online help, improved authentication stack and automated tests. I agree that all these things are important and should be worked towards, but I'm not convinced they should be the sum total of the changes that define Koha 4.0 I would like to see the following in Koha 4.0: - arbitrary metadata formats (beyond MARC) - arbitrary biblio relationships - full support for authority records, including uploading through the GUI, automatic linking, explode searching and more - improvements to the borrower data structure (fewer pre-defined data fields, more flexibility) - separation of receiving and payment in acquisitions - serials import and export (MFHD, prediction patterns, etc) - many, many more things I think that the community should meet and discuss what features are both desirable and reasonably likely to be completed in the next few years (is there interest by libraries to sponsor these developments, or from developers to code it for fun?). Once a feature set is agreed on to define Koha 4.0, the developers of these features would meet to hash out what underlying structural changes would be required to make them happen. Hopefully commonalities could be found, so that the underlying structure could be developed in a way that accommodates multiple developments at once. Identifying these prerequisite changes early on would reduce the difficulties of rebasing developments, since we'd all be working off a similar set of base assumptions. It would also provide a reasonable basis for excluding or delaying developments that don't fit into the overall plan. Once the features were chosen and a framework for their development agreed upon, it would be time to code. The development and submission process would be the same as it is now (basing patches off master and submitting to the patches listserv and Bugzilla). As new features become ready, they would be incorporated into the time-based 3.X releases by the release manager for that particular cycle. This way, what works is made available, and what needs more time continues to be tested until it's stable for production use. Once all the agreed upon features were ready, it would be time to release Koha 4.0. Hopefully, that would be with 1-2 years, but there would be flexibility here. One of my other issues with the proposal was the lightening of Quality Assurance standards for the first 3 months of the 3.8 release cycle. If operating under the 1 year time frame for Koha 4.0 as outlined in Paul's proposal, this would seem necessary in order to get everything included in time. Unfortunately, while the next 3 months would be dedicated to clean up of features rolled in, there is never any guarantee of bug fixes being generated in a timely fashion. You cannot force people to write or sign off on bug fixes; we're all free agents here. So code that has not been rigourously tested could get in and stay in for a long time, long after 4.0 would release, because no one knows how to test it or fix it. However, if we operate under my proposed model, all code could continue to operate under the same quality assurance standards, and nothing that is broken or otherwise incomplete would make it in until it was ready. Releases would still come out every 6 months, even if a major development was inoperable, until that development could be completed. This has been a long email, so let me sum up. I think: - we should continue to release Koha 3.8, 3.10, 3.12 etc on 6 month cycles using the current community practices for feature inclusion - we should, as a community, meet and decide what features we want to
