Re: [Koha] Should Koha support old versions of Internet Explorer?
- In your use of Koha are you required to use any version of Internet Explorer and if so what version? I work with a library required to use IE9 on Win7. - In your use of Koha do you work with library patrons who are required to use any version of Internet Explorer? I don’t know what they are requried to use, but fact is that IE7 is 8% of the visits since may. Not a single IE6 though which at least is something... - In your opinion what should be the minimum supported version of Internet Explorer? Yes - the one that patrons of Koha-libraries actually use. WinXP is (sadly) still alive and well. It does suck that IE6 and 7 is still alive, but if it’s possible to degrade gracefully I’d be glad. If we do decide to drop support for older browsers I’d suggest notifying the opac users with some kind of alert that it’s an insecure version and no longer supported which is why they will loose functionality. At the same time I do agree with Arslan that sinking time and money into the quirks of IE is not the best use of resources. Maybe Joel is on to something with a LTS-version? Even if every sane web developer hates IE we still have to strike some kind of working balance between getting stuff done and keeping in mind that in the end our job is to support library patrons. And some of them will run Pentium 4 machines they got from their grandchildren… (the horror) (Maybe a huge sign on the Opac saying ”We’ll send someone to upgrade your web browser if you give us a call!” for all IE6 and IE7 users? :) Kind regards/Viktor 3 okt 2014 kl. 23:35 skrev Riley Childs mailto:rchi...@cucawarriors.com>>: If MS doesn't support it why should we? Riley Childs Senior Charlotte United Christian Academy Library Services Administrator IT Services (704) 497-2086 rileychilds.net<http://rileychilds.net> @rowdychildren From: Arslan Farooq<mailto:arslan...@gmail.com> Sent: 10/2/2014 6:28 PM To: Owen Leonard<mailto:oleon...@myacpl.org>; koha<mailto:koha@lists.katipo.co.nz>; Owen Leonard<mailto:oleon...@myacpl.org>; koha<mailto:koha@lists.katipo.co.nz> Subject: Re: [Koha] Should Koha support old versions of Internet Explorer? Hello Owen, I think our developers' time is precious and should not be wasted on supporting IE6 or IE7. If some organization wants to use the said versions and want to use the latest version of Koha then they can pay for support. They can't have it both ways. As you know (being a web developer) that these IEs are not standards compliant browsers and have all kinds of strange quirks and idiotic behaviors. It's a nightmare to make modern web technologies work on these browsers. - In your use of Koha are you required to use any version of Internet Explorer and if so what version? No. And today's users have their smartphones and laptops. And our library's PCs are there and it takes few clicks to install Firefox, Chrome or any other decent browser. I can imagine some environments may have restrictions on place to not let users install programs. And for that, anyone can keep a portable version of Firefox http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/firefox_portable in a usb flash disk / or copy on a PC. Basically if there is a will there is a way. It makes no sense to me that any sane developer would waste his life (life is just a sum of moments, minutes, hours we have) on IE6 IE7 quirks. - In your use of Koha do you work with library patrons who are required to use any version of Internet Explorer? No. - In your opinion what should be the minimum supported version of Internet Explorer? If you are bored and want to amuse yourself then, perhaps some IE8 support. No lower. Well above are my opinions. Arslan -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. ___ Koha mailing list http://koha-community.org Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz<mailto:Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz> http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha ___ Koha mailing list http://koha-community.org Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz<mailto:Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz> http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha ___ Koha mailing list http://koha-community.org Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
Re: [Koha] Should Koha support old versions of Internet Explorer?
If MS doesn't support it why should we? Riley Childs Senior Charlotte United Christian Academy Library Services Administrator IT Services (704) 497-2086 rileychilds.net @rowdychildren From: Arslan Farooq<mailto:arslan...@gmail.com> Sent: 10/2/2014 6:28 PM To: Owen Leonard<mailto:oleon...@myacpl.org>; koha<mailto:koha@lists.katipo.co.nz>; Owen Leonard<mailto:oleon...@myacpl.org>; koha<mailto:koha@lists.katipo.co.nz> Subject: Re: [Koha] Should Koha support old versions of Internet Explorer? Hello Owen, I think our developers' time is precious and should not be wasted on supporting IE6 or IE7. If some organization wants to use the said versions and want to use the latest version of Koha then they can pay for support. They can't have it both ways. As you know (being a web developer) that these IEs are not standards compliant browsers and have all kinds of strange quirks and idiotic behaviors. It's a nightmare to make modern web technologies work on these browsers. > >- In your use of Koha are you required to use any version of Internet >Explorer and if so what version? No. And today's users have their smartphones and laptops. And our library's PCs are there and it takes few clicks to install Firefox, Chrome or any other decent browser. I can imagine some environments may have restrictions on place to not let users install programs. And for that, anyone can keep a portable version of Firefox http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/firefox_portable in a usb flash disk / or copy on a PC. Basically if there is a will there is a way. It makes no sense to me that any sane developer would waste his life (life is just a sum of moments, minutes, hours we have) on IE6 IE7 quirks. >- In your use of Koha do you work with library patrons who are >required to use any version of Internet Explorer? No. >- In your opinion what should be the minimum supported version of >Internet Explorer? If you are bored and want to amuse yourself then, perhaps some IE8 support. No lower. Well above are my opinions. Arslan -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. ___ Koha mailing list http://koha-community.org Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha ___ Koha mailing list http://koha-community.org Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
Re: [Koha] Should Koha support old versions of Internet Explorer?
Hello Owen, I think our developers' time is precious and should not be wasted on supporting IE6 or IE7. If some organization wants to use the said versions and want to use the latest version of Koha then they can pay for support. They can't have it both ways. As you know (being a web developer) that these IEs are not standards compliant browsers and have all kinds of strange quirks and idiotic behaviors. It's a nightmare to make modern web technologies work on these browsers. > >- In your use of Koha are you required to use any version of Internet >Explorer and if so what version? No. And today's users have their smartphones and laptops. And our library's PCs are there and it takes few clicks to install Firefox, Chrome or any other decent browser. I can imagine some environments may have restrictions on place to not let users install programs. And for that, anyone can keep a portable version of Firefox http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/firefox_portable in a usb flash disk / or copy on a PC. Basically if there is a will there is a way. It makes no sense to me that any sane developer would waste his life (life is just a sum of moments, minutes, hours we have) on IE6 IE7 quirks. >- In your use of Koha do you work with library patrons who are >required to use any version of Internet Explorer? No. >- In your opinion what should be the minimum supported version of >Internet Explorer? If you are bored and want to amuse yourself then, perhaps some IE8 support. No lower. Well above are my opinions. Arslan -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. ___ Koha mailing list http://koha-community.org Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
Re: [Koha] Should Koha support old versions of Internet Explorer?
Hi Owen, I think our developers' time is precious and should not be wasted on supporting IE6 or IE7. If some organization wants to use the said versions and want to use the latest version of Koha, then they can pay for support. They can't have it both ways. As you know (being a web developer) that these IEs are not standards compliant browsers and have all kinds of strange quirks and idiotic behaviors. It's a nightmare to make modern web technologies work on these browsers properly. > - In your use of Koha are you required to use any version of Internet > Explorer and if so what version? > No. And today's users have their smartphones and laptops; and a library's PCs are there and it takes few clicks to install Firefox, Chrome or any other decent browser. I can imagine some environments may have restrictions in place to not let users install programs. And for that, anyone can keep a portable version of Firefox http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/firefox_portable in a usb flash disk / or copy on a PC. Basically where there is a will there is a way. It makes no sense to me that any sane developer would waste his life (life is just a sum of moments, minutes, hours we have) on IE6 IE7 quirks. > - In your use of Koha do you work with library patrons who are > required to use any version of Internet Explorer? > No. > - In your opinion what should be the minimum supported version of > Internet Explorer? > > If you are bored and want to amuse yourself, then perhaps some IE8 support. No lower. Arslan -- Electronic Resource Librarian SZABIST Islamabad www.szabist-isb.edu.pk arslan.far...@szabist-isb.edu.pk +92 514 863 363-65 ___ Koha mailing list http://koha-community.org Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
Re: [Koha] Should Koha support old versions of Internet Explorer?
IE7 is not even supported by Microsoft any longer, and is only available on operating systems that are also no longer support by Microsoft*. Even basic security patches for that browser and OS are no longer published. I say drop it. IE8, by contrast, is still available for Windows 7 and still supported by MS through January of 2016. I think we should give it at that long, but probably no longer. Another option may be to mark 3.16 or the upcoming 3.18 as an "LTS" (long-term support) release, as other projects like Ubuntu, Debian, Moodle, etc have started to do, but also mark it as the last release to support IE8. That gives some more immediate relief moving forward for development of future releases, but libraries that want or need to allow IE8 can have confidence that the current release will continue to receive important patches for some time. * Note that it is still possible and supported to configure IE8 on Windows 7 to use the IE7 rendering engine. Joel Coehoorn Director of Information Technology 402.363.5603 *jcoeho...@york.edu * The mission of York College is to transform lives through Christ-centered education and to equip students for lifelong service to God, family, and society On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 8:38 AM, Owen Leonard wrote: > There is a discussion happening on the developers list about whether > Koha should continue to support old versions of Internet Explorer. > > While we don't generally test in Internet Explorer, in practice we > attempt to fix browser incompatibility bugs reported for IE7 or > higher. > > The benefit, from the developers' point of view, of dropping support > for IE7 (released in 2006) and maybe even IE8 (released in 2009) would > be our ability to upgrade certain third-party libraries on which Koha > is built, enhancing our ability to modernize the interface. > > However, we don't want to unnecessarily exclude users who are forced > to use IE7 or IE8. I would like to solicit your opinions on the > matter: > > - In your use of Koha are you required to use any version of Internet > Explorer and if so what version? > - In your use of Koha do you work with library patrons who are > required to use any version of Internet Explorer? > - In your opinion what should be the minimum supported version of > Internet Explorer? > > I'm not counting votes, but I am interested in hearing everyone's opinions. > > Thanks, > > Owen > > -- > Web Developer > Athens County Public Libraries > http://www.myacpl.org > ___ > Koha mailing list http://koha-community.org > Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz > http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha > ___ Koha mailing list http://koha-community.org Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
Re: [Koha] Should Koha support old versions of Internet Explorer?
Hi Owen, We have completely moved over to win7, and have no need for older IE support anymore. Most of our users use other browsers anyway: mostly firefox & chrome. - In your use of Koha are you required to use any version of Internet Explorer and if so what version? If IE is used, it's mostly recent versions. (IE11) - In your use of Koha do you work with library patrons who are required to use any version of Internet Explorer? Nope. - In your opinion what should be the minimum supported version of Internet Explorer? No idea, others are probably more 'into' browser versions. Regards, MJ I'm not counting votes, but I am interested in hearing everyone's opinions. Thanks, Owen ___ Koha mailing list http://koha-community.org Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
[Koha] Should Koha support old versions of Internet Explorer?
There is a discussion happening on the developers list about whether Koha should continue to support old versions of Internet Explorer. While we don't generally test in Internet Explorer, in practice we attempt to fix browser incompatibility bugs reported for IE7 or higher. The benefit, from the developers' point of view, of dropping support for IE7 (released in 2006) and maybe even IE8 (released in 2009) would be our ability to upgrade certain third-party libraries on which Koha is built, enhancing our ability to modernize the interface. However, we don't want to unnecessarily exclude users who are forced to use IE7 or IE8. I would like to solicit your opinions on the matter: - In your use of Koha are you required to use any version of Internet Explorer and if so what version? - In your use of Koha do you work with library patrons who are required to use any version of Internet Explorer? - In your opinion what should be the minimum supported version of Internet Explorer? I'm not counting votes, but I am interested in hearing everyone's opinions. Thanks, Owen -- Web Developer Athens County Public Libraries http://www.myacpl.org ___ Koha mailing list http://koha-community.org Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
