KR> Fwd: KR right choice?

[Larry Flesner]

At 07:47 PM 4/21/2011, you wrote:
>Larry, I got your first post OK. Check your spam folder
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Nothing in my junk mail box.  I looked in the krnet archives and 
found nothing also.  Great mystery...

Larry

KR> Fwd: KR right choice?

[Patrick Driscoll]

Larry, I got your first post OK. Check your spam folder
Patrick Driscoll
Saint Paul, MN
patric...@usfamily.net

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KR> Fwd: KR right choice?

[Larry Flesner]

I'm still having troubles posting to the krnet.  I sent this post 
yesterday and it never showed up and never made the archives 
either.  I'm trying one more time.

Larry Flesner


>At 12:26 AM 4/21/2011, you wrote:
>>having invested  fair bit of time () into my KR2S project, 
>>I'm starting to wonder if I made the right choice.
>++
>
>Don't question your decision to build a KR.  My KR is as easy to fly 
>as anything I've flown in 1300+ hours of flight time.  I had very 
>little tail wheel time before first flight on the KR but that did 
>not turn out to be a problem.  My KR handles on the ground as good 
>as or better than a castering nose wheel airplane that uses brakes 
>for directional control.  It simply goes where you point the 
>nose.  If the gear is set up correctly and the airplane flown 
>properly, a tail dragger is no more difficult to fly than other 
>types of gear.  Relax and keep building.
>
>Larry Flesner

KR> (no subject)Landing a taildragger

[Ronald Wright]

Hi Vaughn,
 
100% of US pilots learned in taildraggers years ago..  It is NOT that difficult 
to land one, just different than a tri-gear..  You can't "go to sleep on the 
pedals" like you can landing a tri-gear.  Stay ahead of the plane and you won't 
have any problems.
 
I also suggest you put a "subject" in the subject line of your posts.  I found 
your email in "spam"..
 
Ron

--- On Thu, 4/21/11, Vaughan Thomas  wrote:


From: Vaughan Thomas 
Subject: KR> (no subject)
To: "KRnet" 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Thursday, April 21, 2011, 12:26 AM


having invested  fair bit of time () into my KR2S project, I'm starting 
to wonder if I made the right choice. There has been a bit of diiscussion about 
landing taildraggers on here,is it that difficult? how do they compare to 
trigears? As an inexperienced pilot ,have I bitten off more than I can chew?  I 
have always liked the clean low wing design & the KR construction method, but 
are high speed planes a bit much to start out in. I have significantly 
increased the tail areas to give more stability, & plan on longer wings. Would 
I be better to put the KR on hold & go to a STOL type (Roger Mann Storch?) to 
gain initial experience? A lot of the componentry can be used on a 2nd project. 
 Any thoughts appreciated. Cheers Vaughan Thomas.  Hamilton, New Zealand
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KR> First time kr flyers

[P.Byington]

List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date:  Thursday, Apr.21,2011
Subject:  KR2 first time flyers

Vaughan;

When I first flew my plans built kr2, I had one hour of logged tail dragger 
time.  I had flown many hours in tail draggers with friends but they never 
gave me the opportunity to taxi, takeoff or land them.  I did have many 
hours in F-4 flight simulators ( about 4000 total sim time)  and this helped 
me with the pitch sensitivity of the little bird but didn't do anything for 
the ground handling of a taildragger.

I was fortunate to have several large dry lakes to practice taxing my kr2. 
I hauled N54PB to Eldorado dry lake, Just southwest of Boulder City Nevada, 
several times and put the wings on it so I could get as much taxi time as 
possible before actually attempting to take it into the air.  I was able to 
practice high speed taxi without interfering with airport operations and 
soon found that my kr2 handled very nicely on the ground.  I had NO problems 
with ground loops or keeping it straight with the rudder when the tail came 
up.

I had about 250 hours total pilot in command time when I first flew N54PB 
and a commercial license plus a lot of simulator time for F-4s, T-38, T-37 
and various commercial airline simulators, i.e..B-757. B-727, L-1011, DC-8, 
and DC-9.  ( I was a flight simulator technician for 6 years in the USAF and 
worked on Delta's simulators for a short time after my USAF service)

My personal opinion is that the KR2 is very easy to land and take off even 
for an inexperienced taildragger pilot.  I found that my kr2 needs a lot of 
left rudder on take off because of P factor.  I normally wheel land my kr2 
and I don't understand those who have problems doing this, it is easy to 
hold the tail up and use the rudder to keep everything straight.  When three 
pointing the landing, the ailerons get some what sloppy because of the low 
speed, but other than that everything is still very controllable.

I hope this information is of some use to you.  Feel free to contact me off 
line if I can be of further help or assistance in your efforts to learn the 
kr2.

Thanks
Parley Byington
N54PB
Henderson, Nevada
byington1...@embarqmail.com
parley.bying...@gmail.com



- Original Message - 
From: "Craig Williams" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 6:12 AM
Subject: Re: KR> (no subject)


When I transitioned to tailwheel I was a 250hr pilot and the first 5 hrs of 
training was white knuckled but I got used to it and by the 10th hour it was 
like I had been doing it all my life.  Every plane takes some time to get 
used to and I am sure the KR is no exception.  I plan on getting some 
experience in either a PITTS or tailwheel RV before I jump in my 2-s 
taildragger.  More time in type is always a good thing.  Don't be afraid of 
it but respect it like all planes should be.  You'll know when your ready.

Craig
www.kr2seafury.com

--- On Thu, 4/21/11, Vaughan Thomas  wrote:

> From: Vaughan Thomas 
> Subject: KR> (no subject)
> To: "KRnet" 
> Date: Thursday, April 21, 2011, 5:26 AM
> having invested fair bit of
> time () into my KR2S project, I'm starting to
> wonder if I made the right choice. 

KR> (no subject)

[Jeff Scott]

Vaughan,

 What you are seeing is various guys espousing their preferences for landing 
their KRs. The fact is, in the taildragger connfiguration, it lands easily in 
either three point or wheel landings. With the wide gear stance of the Diehl 
gear, it's not so prone to ground loops. I'm sure it's a pussycat as a tri-gear 
as well. 

 When building your KR, do yourself a favor and install some sort of deployable 
drag. Whether it is flaps or belly board isn't really important. But the 
cleaner you build the plane, the more you will want some additional drag to 
help with the landings. Flaps or a belly board will drop the nose on approach 
so you have a better view of the runway environment, and will reduce the float 
of the plane while transitioning from flying to rolling. Before someone jumps 
on this and flames me about how well their KR lands without flaps, keep in 
mind, that I flew my KR 500 hours before I added flaps. Much like Ken Rand 
said, "I never knew how much I needed flaps until I installed them." 

 Jeff Scott
 Los Alamos, NM
 KR N1213W & SuperCub N143W
 http://jscott.comlu.com

- Original Message -
From: Vaughan Thomas
Sent: 04/20/11 11:26 PM
To: KRnet
Subject: KR> (no subject)

 There has been a bit of diiscussion about landing taildraggers on here,is it 
that difficult? how do they compare to trigears? As an inexperienced pilot 
,have I bitten off more than I can chew? Vaughan Thomas. Hamilton, New Zealand

KR> (no subject)

[Patrick Driscoll]

When I started flying in 1957, tail wheel was the only way to go. We did 
have a Tri-Pacer in the SAC Aero Club,(Davis Monthan AFB, AZ), but that was 
about a year after I started flying and the first trike gear I flew. On my 
second time in the air, with a different instructor than the first time, my 
new instructor told me to go ahead and taxi out and then told me to take 
off. He was under the impression that I had about 5 hours in the air. At 
that time I had about 50 minutes just getting use to the controls. I managed 
to get airborne after touching both sides of the runway, (about 50 feet 
wide) and making a low  pass at the hanger area. My instructor had the 
nerves of a lion going after a piss-ant. He said "That was a little rough, 
lets go around and try it again." Then after that take off he told me to 
land the airplane,(Champ 7AC). Never have I seen an instructor with that 
much guts. I did manage to get it on the ground but I suspect I had some 
help from the back seat. It was the that he asked me how much time I had. 
When I told him I had less than an hour of air work only, he said lets go 
try that again! I took off again with nothing but verbal instructions from 
him and also landed with just verbal instructions.
   TAIL DRAGGERS are easy
rick Driscoll
Saint Paul, MN
patric...@usfamily.net

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KR> (no subject)

[Craig Williams]

When I transitioned to tailwheel I was a 250hr pilot and the first 5 hrs of 
training was white knuckled but I got used to it and by the 10th hour it was 
like I had been doing it all my life.  Every plane takes some time to get used 
to and I am sure the KR is no exception.  I plan on getting some experience in 
either a PITTS or tailwheel RV before I jump in my 2-s taildragger.  More time 
in type is always a good thing.  Don't be afraid of it but respect it like all 
planes should be.  You'll know when your ready.

Craig
www.kr2seafury.com

--- On Thu, 4/21/11, Vaughan Thomas  wrote:

> From: Vaughan Thomas 
> Subject: KR> (no subject)
> To: "KRnet" 
> Date: Thursday, April 21, 2011, 5:26 AM
> having invested  fair bit of
> time () into my KR2S project, I'm starting to
> wonder if I made the right choice. There has been a bit of
> diiscussion about landing taildraggers on here,is it that
> difficult? how do they compare to trigears? As an
> inexperienced pilot ,have I bitten off more than I can
> chew?  I have always liked the clean low wing design
> & the KR construction method, but are high speed planes
> a bit much to start out in. I have significantly increased
> the tail areas to give more stability, & plan on longer
> wings. Would I be better to put the KR on hold & go to a
> STOL type (Roger Mann Storch?) to gain initial experience? A
> lot of the componentry can be used on a 2nd project. 
> Any thoughts appreciated. Cheers Vaughan Thomas. 
> Hamilton, New Zealand
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KR> KR right choice?

[Larry Flesner]

At 12:26 AM 4/21/2011, you wrote:
>having invested  fair bit of time () into my KR2S project, 
>I'm starting to wonder if I made the right choice.
++

Don't question your decision to build a KR.  My KR is as easy to fly 
as anything I've flown in 1300+ hours of flight time.  I had very 
little tail wheel time before first flight on the KR but that did not 
turn out to be a problem.  My KR handles on the ground as good as or 
better than a castering nose wheel airplane that uses brakes for 
directional control.  It simply goes where you point the nose.  If 
the gear is set up correctly and the airplane flown properly, a tail 
dragger is no more difficult to fly than other types of gear.  Relax 
and keep building.

Larry Flesner

KR> (no subject) KR2 landing and flying.

[phillip matheson]

Would I be better to put the KR on hold & go to a STOL type (Roger Mann 
Storch?) to gain initial experience? A lot of the componentry can be used on 
a 2nd project.  Any thoughts appreciated. Cheers Vaughan Thomas.  Hamilton, 
New Zealand
-

Vaughan.
Bite your tongue. I have a standard KR2 Trigear, WHAT a fantastic plane to 
fly. I have 340 hours now, but from the start I loved it. I only had a few 
hundred hours over 25 years. Now 340 in 3 years.

But I was lucky to have a kr test pilot sitting with me for my 30 to 45 min, 
then I was happy.
I then did all the testing.

Landing, easy, just keep it level, lift the nose and it lands like a dream, 
slow it to 60 kts over the fence, and keep lifting the nose, she will sit on 
the runway at 35 to 40 kts. ( even 50 does not really mater). NOTE I have 
not landed a tail dragger KR but have flown one with another pilot.

X winds, fantastic, I love playing in 10 to 15 kt and up to 90 deg x winds, 
our strip is only about 25 feet wide. great fun.

Then you get one of those early or late day flights with cool air dead 
smooth, the KR will land down to the flair using the trim. It will also fly 
by just moving your weight around the cockpit, but I have to place my hands 
behind my head and lean back to make it climb out.

Do not give up, hang in there KIWI buddy, you will love it.


Phil Matheson
SAAA Ch 37
http://www.philskr2.50megs.com/
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