KR> Component weight.

[Craig Williams]

Why not put a 2700cc corvair on there and live with the 700 lbs empty weight.  
I think 1200 lb gross is common for the corvair powered planes.  That is what I 
am shooting for.  Just one way to fix the problem.

Craig
www.kr2seafury.com

--- On Sat, 6/18/11, Prototype Mech  wrote:

> From: Prototype Mech 
> Subject: KR> Component weight.
> To: kr...@mylist.net
> Date: Saturday, June 18, 2011, 1:32 AM
> A little Background,
> Back in 2009, I bought a 1981 revmaster powered KR-2 with
> 250hours on the clock that needed a little bit of fixing
> up.  The original weight in 1981 was 525 lbs. according to
> the log book and W sheet of the era.  When I got it
> home, I found alot of things I didn't like and a lot of worn
> parts like control-horns and hinges that needed to be
> replaced.  Long story short, 1 year later, I had every
> system torn apart, inspected, and rebuilt using real
> aircraft parts and weigh-saving techniques  I also sanded
> and repainted the plane.  When I pulled out the W
> scales, I was shocked when I saw 690lbs empty!  How did my
> plane gain over 150lbs!?! I swallowed my pride and have
> flown it for about 30 hour.   Its a nice airplane and
> flies nice, but with myself and 17 gallons of gas, Im
> already over gross weight.  I'd like to reduce the weight
> by replacing heavy components but I don't know what is a
> normal weight or what to replace to get the most reduction.
> I was wondering if anyone has taken accurate weight
> measurements of parts during or after constructions to get a
> baseline.
> What I'm looking for is the weight of:
> complete L wing:
> complete R wing:
> complete Canopy:
> forward deck w/fuel tank:
> turtle deck:
> total empty weight:
> 
> I know some of these parts are integral and can't be
> weighed separately.  But my goal is to start cutting off
> parts and replacing them until I get it to a normal weight
> around 550 lbs.
> 
> My aircraft:
> Complete left wing with 15 gallon fuel tank= 72 lbs
> Complete right wing with 15 gallon fuel tank= 70 lbs
> Complete flying fuselage minus wings= 548 lbs
> Total flying empty weight=690
> 
> I dont want to rebuild my wings if it'll only save 15lbs,
> but i would be worth it if I can save 50lbs.  Thats what
> I'm trying to determine.
> 
> Cheers,
> David Robins
> N37686
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KR> Component weight.

[Prototype Mech]

A little Background,
Back in 2009, I bought a 1981 revmaster powered KR-2 with 250hours on the clock 
that needed a little bit of fixing up.  The original weight in 1981 was 525 
lbs. according to the log book and W sheet of the era.  When I got it home, I 
found alot of things I didn't like and a lot of worn parts like control-horns 
and hinges that needed to be replaced.  Long story short, 1 year later, I had 
every system torn apart, inspected, and rebuilt using real aircraft parts and 
weigh-saving techniques  I also sanded and repainted the plane.  When I pulled 
out the W scales, I was shocked when I saw 690lbs empty!  How did my plane 
gain over 150lbs!?! I swallowed my pride and have flown it for about 30 hour.   
Its a nice airplane and flies nice, but with myself and 17 gallons of gas, Im 
already over gross weight.  I'd like to reduce the weight by replacing heavy 
components but I don't know what is a normal weight or what to replace to get 
the most reduction.
I was wondering if anyone has taken accurate weight measurements of parts 
during or after constructions to get a baseline.
What I'm looking for is the weight of:
complete L wing:
complete R wing:
complete Canopy:
forward deck w/fuel tank:
turtle deck:
total empty weight:

I know some of these parts are integral and can't be weighed separately.  But 
my goal is to start cutting off parts and replacing them until I get it to a 
normal weight around 550 lbs.

My aircraft:
Complete left wing with 15 gallon fuel tank= 72 lbs
Complete right wing with 15 gallon fuel tank= 70 lbs
Complete flying fuselage minus wings= 548 lbs
Total flying empty weight=690

I dont want to rebuild my wings if it'll only save 15lbs, but i would be worth 
it if I can save 50lbs.  Thats what I'm trying to determine.

Cheers,
David Robins
N37686

KR> update on project

[rkp...@comcast.net]

Hi Everyone, 

 I haven't had much time to update my photobucket. I'm trying to finish my 
panel I painted it and started to install the instruments for the final time. I 
took some pictures this afternoon and uploaded them. Hope to see you all in 
Oshkosh next month. 

Robert Pesak 

Hermitage, Tn. 

http://photobucket.com/robertskrs 

KR> Reflexing AS5045 Airfoil

[Brock Schuler]

Has anyone tried reflexing the flaps 5deg to reduce drag on the AS5045 airfoil? 
The airfoil does have a slight cusp so I thought it might help.

Brock

KR> KR2s plans and manual

[Henning]

Hi Patrick and Robin,
Thank you for taking interest in my request for obtaining the plans and
manual.

By referring to a registered supplier I mean a supplier of KR2s plans that
is legally approved(i.e. Serial #,and all relevant requirements that can be
submitted in order to receive a builders number from our local aviation
authorities and registration of the homebuild aircraft)

The reason why I required about such supplier is that I tried to order the
plans from nvaero but did not received and answer from them on resent
communications and thus required weather there were other suppliers from
whom these plans can be obtained.

Please do understand me correctly as I do not try to discredit Mr.Glover in
any sense and do not have any intention to do so.
I am totally prepared to pay all relevant costs as advertised and stipulated
by nvaero.

I am not interested in any pirate copies since that will only make a lot of
expenses void at the end.

Thank you again,
Henning Fourie 

-Original Message-
From: krnet-bounces+h.fourie=vodamail.co...@mylist.net
[mailto:krnet-bounces+h.fourie=vodamail.co...@mylist.net] On Behalf Of
Patrick and Robin Russo
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 1:56 AM
To: KRnet
Subject: Re: KR> KR2s plans and manual

Henning.
 I don.t Know what you mean by registered supplier". Tell us exactly what 
you are looking for. We may be able to advise you or help.We are a group 
that shares at the front door not thru the back door!
Pat
- Original Message - 
From: "Henning" 
To: "'KRnet'" 
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 1:39 PM
Subject: KR> KR2s plans and manual


> Could anyone please give me the contact details of companies (other than
> nvaero) that are registered suppliers of KR2s plans and manuals.
>
>
>
> Henning Fourie
>
> South Africa
>
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KR> KR2s plans and manual

[Paulo De Tarso Montanaro]

Marc BacaOk ! You see ! a lot of people have problems to recive his documents , 
It I was talk about ,..
Marc sorry I try to speak in your language > Yo estaba a hablar exactamente 
essas paroles mas penso que nao me compreenderam Tu me compreendes ?

Paulo de Tarso Montanaro11-7194-3952



> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 18:26:53 -0700
> From: mbf...@yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: KR> KR2s plans and manual
> To: kr...@mylist.net
> 
> De acuerdo .. tambien yo hablo castellano.  Si hay dificultades yo se los 
> puedo 
> comunicar a Steve en NVAero.
> 
> Marc Baca
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Patrick and Robin Russo 
> To: KRnet 
> Sent: Thu, June 16, 2011 5:05:23 PM
> Subject: Re: KR> KR2s plans and manual
> 
> Paulo, I am certain that there is a misunderstanding only,  NOT a problem. 
> Tell us what the problem is and I am sure that we can help.We are a group 
> gathered to solve, share and resolve problems. No puedo hablar Portugese, 
> puedo hay muchos de nosotros quien hablan espanol. Como puedo ayudar te??
> Pat Russo
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Paulo De Tarso Montanaro" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 3:24 PM
> Subject: RE: KR> KR2s plans and manual
> 
> 
> >
> > good afternoom,
> > excuse-me people, I buy mine project with Steve Glover, and I was waiting 
> > for 3 months and I dont think is good to copy a pirate project of "good 
> > google" You dont have a registration number, a copy have horrible details. 
> > It I think
> > best regards from Brasil
> >
> > Paulo de Tarso Montanaro55-11-7194-395255-11-4617-8040 - R 8060
> >
> >
> >> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 18:50:14 +
> >> From: jscott.pla...@gmx.com
> >> Subject: Re: KR> KR2s plans and manual
> >> To: kr...@mylist.net
> >>
> >> I am a bit puzzled. Why would you specifically not want to deal with the 
> >> only company in existance trying to support the KR builders? Is it an 
> >> export problem or a personal issue? I know Steve at NVAero sure isn't 
> >> getting rich doing this.
> >>
> >>  FWIW, you may be able to buy plans through Jeannette Rand, but 
> >> historically she has been very difficult to deal with, especially if you 
> >> are outside the US boarders. My experience with Steve has been just the 
> >> opposite, although I don't know if there is an issue with export for him. 
> >> My personal experience with sellling parts ourside of the US was 
> >> horrible, through no fault of either the buyer or seller.
> >>
> >>  There is an outfit that sells CDs with pirated plans on them on Ebay 
> >> occasionally. Not very good quality from what I've heard, but that may be 
> >> your last resort. Please, let's not get into a discussion about the 
> >> legalities of the pirated plans. I don't like them either, but if one 
> >> can't obtain a legal copy, then I'd go to that as a LAST resort.
> >>
> >>  Jeff Scott
> >>  Los Alamos, NM
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> - Original Message -
> >>
> >>  Could anyone please give me the contact details of companies (other than 
> >> nvaero) that are registered suppliers of KR2s plans and manuals. Henning 
> >> Fourie South Africa _
> >> ___
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KR> KR2s plans and manual

[Paulo De Tarso Montanaro]

Hello ! Patrusso,how are You !
Perhaps was one misunderstanding, but ,.
I think is a problem !, people out of EUA want to buy a project and dont obtain 
it lawful. I said that mine project delay 3 months and I waiting for it last 
year.The mail service in Brasil open all  :  little boxes, big boxes, books, 
package, etc.. and have a tax of importation very expensive,.. after all 
this facts have a delay to transit goods.
I observe that in internet have a manual in russian, and some peoples sale 
project too and this copys of manuals and this project dont have registration 
number,  are horrible xerox ,...etc,..etcits correct ? Do you know ?
Sorry if I not make me understand, ok !
Another thing : Portuguese is another language and brasilian peolpe dont speak 
espanish,... perhaps ,..yes misunderstanding,... 
Hasta la vista ,  in português = Até Breve ! I'll be back ,  in português = Eu 
voltarei 
best regards
Paulo de Tarso Montanaro55-11-7194-3952- mobil



> From: patru...@myfairpoint.net
> To: kr...@mylist.net
> Subject: Re: KR> KR2s plans and manual
> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 20:05:23 -0400
> 
> Paulo, I am certain that there is a misunderstanding only,  NOT a problem. 
> Tell us what the problem is and I am sure that we can help.We are a group 
> gathered to solve, share and resolve problems. No puedo hablar Portugese, 
> puedo hay muchos de nosotros quien hablan espanol. Como puedo ayudar te??
> Pat Russo
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Paulo De Tarso Montanaro" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 3:24 PM
> Subject: RE: KR> KR2s plans and manual
> 
> 
> >
> > good afternoom,
> > excuse-me people, I buy mine project with Steve Glover, and I was waiting 
> > for 3 months and I dont think is good to copy a pirate project of "good 
> > google" You dont have a registration number, a copy have horrible details. 
> > It I think
> > best regards from Brasil
> >
> > Paulo de Tarso Montanaro55-11-7194-395255-11-4617-8040 - R 8060
> >
> >
> >> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 18:50:14 +
> >> From: jscott.pla...@gmx.com
> >> Subject: Re: KR> KR2s plans and manual
> >> To: kr...@mylist.net
> >>
> >> I am a bit puzzled. Why would you specifically not want to deal with the 
> >> only company in existance trying to support the KR builders? Is it an 
> >> export problem or a personal issue? I know Steve at NVAero sure isn't 
> >> getting rich doing this.
> >>
> >>  FWIW, you may be able to buy plans through Jeannette Rand, but 
> >> historically she has been very difficult to deal with, especially if you 
> >> are outside the US boarders. My experience with Steve has been just the 
> >> opposite, although I don't know if there is an issue with export for him. 
> >> My personal experience with sellling parts ourside of the US was 
> >> horrible, through no fault of either the buyer or seller.
> >>
> >>  There is an outfit that sells CDs with pirated plans on them on Ebay 
> >> occasionally. Not very good quality from what I've heard, but that may be 
> >> your last resort. Please, let's not get into a discussion about the 
> >> legalities of the pirated plans. I don't like them either, but if one 
> >> can't obtain a legal copy, then I'd go to that as a LAST resort.
> >>
> >>  Jeff Scott
> >>  Los Alamos, NM
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> - Original Message -
> >>
> >>  Could anyone please give me the contact details of companies (other than 
> >> nvaero) that are registered suppliers of KR2s plans and manuals. Henning 
> >> Fourie South Africa _
> >> ___
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> >
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KR> AirVenture 2011 Forums

[smwood]

The first listings for the Forums at AirVenture 2011 Oshkosh are now 
available.
http://airventure.org/planning/schedules_maps.html

The KR Builders Forum is scheduled for Monday 7/25 at 1:00 PM.
http://www.eaaapps.org/forumsearchresults.aspx?keyword=kr%20builders

The Mixture Meter Forum is scheduled for Tuesday 7/26 at 10:00 AM.
http://www.eaaapps.org/forumsearchresults.aspx?keyword=KR-2

Sid Wood
Tri-gear KR-2 N6242
Mechanicsville, MD, USA
smw...@md.metrocast.net