KR> LANDING GEAR LEGS

[Dan]

Bill, 

Sure have.  Kept them at 1" thick.  If you want I can send you the drawings
of the legs, photos and the bracket CAD.  Email me at dprich01 at comcast.net .
As the plane sits right now with me in it there is about .5" deflection.
I'm not sure why folks wrap the legs in fiberglass.  Grumman doesn't.

Dan Prichard
Portland Oregon

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Subject: KR> LANDING GEAR LEGS

Has anyone cut down and used Grumman Yankee surplus landing gear legs for
his/her KR2?
And if you did, how did you do it?

Bill Weir
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KR> ...to read posts from prior years

[laolan(p)]

this link http://list.krnet.org/mailman/private/krnet_list.krnet.org/ 
works fine, but this one,http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search 
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/"Service Temporarily Unavailable
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Jean-Charles Fenez
Cognac
France


Le 09/12/2014 00:42, Mark Langford via KRnet a ?crit :
> Herbert F?rle wrote:
>
> >I don't know what I have to do to read posts from prior years!
>
> The Tugantek site does appear to be down at the moment, and I've sent 
> a request to bring his attention to it.  Another alternative, but 
> which only goes back a few years, is to log in to
> http://list.krnet.org/mailman/private/krnet_list.krnet.org/ and check 
> the actual list archive.  The username will be your email address, and 
> the password was sent to you upon joining the list, as well as on the 
> first day of every month, most recently on December 1st.
>
> Using this "official" list archive is also a good way to troubleshoot 
> problems with your email.  If it shows up in this archive but not in 
> your email, you are successfully sending email to the list, but are 
> not receiving them from the list...usually because of an overactive 
> spam filter somewhere along the email chain.
>
> Mark Langford
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KR> LANDING GEAR LEGS

[ol' weirdo]

Has anyone cut down and used Grumman Yankee surplus landing gear legs for
his/her KR2?
And if you did, how did you do it?

Bill Weir

KR> build it light

[joe.kr2s.builder at juno.com]

Hello Guys land Dolls, As some of you already know I took over a project 
from Eric Pitts over the summer. I think that I might be the fifth owner of 
this project and there have been many changes from owner to owner. This is a 
unique project that was started by Dr. Dean about 16 years ago now. So there is 
no blame to be found here just observations on how a plane can weigh a ton ( 
not really an exaggeration). When I got it home I took every assembly and 
cataloged and weighed them. I then started to evaluate how I wanted this plane 
to turn out and then evaluated what  weight reductions could be done. To be 
very fair there are many very well built assemblies that I well use pretty much 
as is.   The first and largest was the fuselage on gear. (too many little 
items included or not included for anyone to make a comparison) This weighed in 
at 150#. I have removed a lot of epoxy runs and spills. The use of flox while 
in the right places was 2 to 3 times what was needed for fillets and edge of 
foam filling. Wood blocking from different configurations of systems was all 
still in place, even though not used anymore. The result so far is a reduction 
of nearly 10# from just this assembly. I still see another 3# in lightening 
holes and a couple more things to remove. (Like tail wheel support) The seat 
had a much smaller yield but still gains to be had. It started at 8.5# and with 
just sanding  extra flox out came down to 8# even.There are a couple 
things that I am trying to share here in thinking about where you might be able 
to build a part a bit lighter. One item is in blocking. If you are trying to 
use a block of wood for a gusset or support and is is being used or glued on 
two sides consider it being a triangular piece instead of a square piece. Half 
the weight for free. In most cases just epoxy is enough on the surfaces that is 
in contact. Flox fillets are likely over kill and just more weight. (Yes, 
ounces add up to pounds) Also if it is a long blocking situation think if it is 
needed full length or if one or several short pieces would do the same job. 
   Clean up extra epoxy runs and spill overs. Use peel ply as much as you can. 
Again it does make a difference on ever part. Be careful of the edge depth that 
is filled with flox on every part. I think the rule of thumb is a 1/4" and it 
could be a triangular 1/4" if the edge is over 1/2" wide. If the edge is that 
wide or more I might suggest that the flox edge still only be the 1/4" 
triangular edge and and a layer of glass to cover the surface with peel ply to 
take out the excess epoxy. Lightening holes are  another very efficient 
way to to save weight. I made two new mounting brackets for control stick 
assembly out of aluminum angle. I was able to reduce the weight of each bracket 
by exactly half with lightening holes with no loss of structural integrity. The 
brackets weighed about 3 ounces each so basically I got 2 for one weight wise. 
Not a lot but again ounces make pounds and I will not have another 700 plus 
pound KR.Give your bird a free Christmas present by saving weight. 
Remember you save fuel forever for every ounce that you don't need to drag into 
the air. Think before you beef up a part that has served as is for 40 years of 
KR's. Think if it really does need to be thicker. Think if it needs to be steel 
instead of aluminum. Think if it really needs another layer of glass. Think if 
you really need heavy electric motors instead of light flap or trim hand 
operated. Look at every part you make and wonder if it is the lightest way that 
it can be completed.All my best,Joe Horton  

Apples Crazy New Gizmo
Forget the iPhone 6. Next hit Apple product leaked. see picture
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/54872c712122b2c4763fdst04duc

KR> build it light

[Virgil N.Salisbury]

 And step yourself on the scale as well, Virg


 On 12/9/2014 12:06 PM, joe.kr2s.builder--- via KRnet wrote:
> Hello Guys land Dolls, As some of you already know I took over a project 
> from Eric Pitts over the summer. I think that I might be the fifth owner of 
> this project and there have been many changes from owner to owner. This is a 
> unique project that was started by Dr. Dean about 16 years ago now. So there 
> is no blame to be found here just observations on how a plane can weigh a ton 
> ( not really an exaggeration). When I got it home I took every assembly and 
> cataloged and weighed them. I then started to evaluate how I wanted this 
> plane to turn out and then evaluated what  weight reductions could be done. 
> To be very fair there are many very well built assemblies that I well use 
> pretty much as is.   The first and largest was the fuselage on gear. (too 
> many little items included or not included for anyone to make a comparison) 
> This weighed in at 150#. I have removed a lot of epoxy runs and spills. The 
> use of flox while in the right places was 2 to 3 times what was needed for 
> fillets and edge of foam filling. Wood blocking from different configurations 
> of systems was all still in place, even though not used anymore. The result 
> so far is a reduction of nearly 10# from just this assembly. I still see 
> another 3# in lightening holes and a couple more things to remove. (Like tail 
> wheel support) The seat had a much smaller yield but still gains to be had. 
> It started at 8.5# and with just sanding  extra flox out came down to 8# 
> even.There are a couple things that I am trying to share here in 
> thinking about where you might be able to build a part a bit lighter. One 
> item is in blocking. If you are trying to use a block of wood for a gusset or 
> support and is is being used or glued on two sides consider it being a 
> triangular piece instead of a square piece. Half the weight for free. In most 
> cases just epoxy is enough on the surfaces that is in contact. Flox fillets 
> are likely over kill and just more weight. (Yes, ounces add up to pounds) 
> Also if it is a long blocking situation think if it is needed full length or 
> if one or several short pieces would do the same job.Clean up extra 
> epoxy runs and spill overs. Use peel ply as much as you can. Again it does 
> make a difference on ever part. Be careful of the edge depth that is filled 
> with flox on every part. I think the rule of thumb is a 1/4" and it could be 
> a triangular 1/4" if the edge is over 1/2" wide. If the edge is that wide or 
> more I might suggest that the flox edge still only be the 1/4" triangular 
> edge and and a layer of glass to cover the surface with peel ply to take out 
> the excess epoxy. Lightening holes are  another very efficient way to 
> to save weight. I made two new mounting brackets for control stick assembly 
> out of aluminum angle. I was able to reduce the weight of each bracket by 
> exactly half with lightening holes with no loss of structural integrity. The 
> brackets weighed about 3 ounces each so basically I got 2 for one weight 
> wise. Not a lot but again ounces make pounds and I will not have another 700 
> plus pound KR.Give your bird a free Christmas present by saving 
> weight. Remember you save fuel forever for every ounce that you don't need to 
> drag into the air. Think before you beef up a part that has served as is for 
> 40 years of KR's. Think if it really does need to be thicker. Think if it 
> needs to be steel instead of aluminum. Think if it really needs another layer 
> of glass. Think if you really need heavy electric motors instead of light 
> flap or trim hand operated. Look at every part you make and wonder if it is 
> the lightest way that it can be completed.All my best,Joe Horton
> 
> Apples Crazy New Gizmo
> Forget the iPhone 6. Next hit Apple product leaked. see picture
> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/54872c712122b2c4763fdst04duc
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KR> Project for sale.

[Aaron]

Tried this a couple weeks ago and it didn't get through to the list. I have a 
KR2 project to get rid of. Late 90 serial number and 300 to 400 hours of work 
done. I have almost everything, including the semi-retract gear and a full 
fiberglass kit. Missing only the hardware kit and the epoxy. I needed the hapi 
engine for my project but the seller wouldn't separate. Lots of pics available. 
Project is in West Plains,Mo. Will consider any reasonable offer to get it out 
of my shop.

Aaron
Amossman at email.com

Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone

KR> Looking for Plans and a Person

[Richard Kaczmarek]

Hey Mark,

My interest and goal would be to handle everything from parts production to
having the plans made so that Jeannette wouldn't have to do anything just
cash a check.  We can take any type of payment now and would build an
inventory to help cut lead times to days not weeks or months.  The KR is a
fun little bird and I am working on an interesting one now with hopes to
have it back up and flying by spring. I will be posting progress reports on
Facebook as we get deeper into it.

Richard Kaczmarek
Fast Little Airplanes LLC
937-243-7303
On Dec 9, 2014 8:01 AM, "Mark Langford via KRnet" 
wrote:

> Several folks have volunteered to facilitate the sale of the plans, and to
> be fair, my impression is that Steve isn't the reason that plans are
> difficult to get.  After all, the plans are still controlled by Jeanneatte
> Rand.  I'm not sure if she's out of the country, in the hospital, or just
> not paying attention, but she needs to realize that if plans become
> impossible to obtain, and we may be there now, they will eventually be
> black
> marketed on the internet and that cash cow will be dead.  Truth is...the
> KR1
> plans are already "free" on the internet, posted by a guy that got fed up
> waiting on plans back in 2009when he finally got them, he posted them
> as
> a bit torrent, if you don't mind getting a load of malware with your free
> plans.  I've also heard of them available on ebay.
>
> We all want to do the right thing with plans, which is pay the rightful
> owner for them and sleep well at night, but they have to be legally and
> morally OBTAINABLE somehow!  If there's anybody out there that has Mrs.
> Rand's ear, it would be good to persuade her to do something about plans
> availability, and soon, before the plans become freely available and people
> can say rightfully say "I simply couldn't get them any other way".  I don't
> care who sells them, but they need to be available in a timely manner from
> somebody that takes credit card orders, has a bunch of plans sets ready to
> go, and will ship them within a day or so.  Anything else leads to
> problems,
> as those of us on this list well know.  This has been going on too long...
>
> Mark Langford, Harvest, AL
> ML at N56ML.com
> www.N56ML.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
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KR> Looking for Plans and a Person

[Mark Langford]

Several folks have volunteered to facilitate the sale of the plans, and to
be fair, my impression is that Steve isn't the reason that plans are
difficult to get.  After all, the plans are still controlled by Jeanneatte
Rand.  I'm not sure if she's out of the country, in the hospital, or just
not paying attention, but she needs to realize that if plans become
impossible to obtain, and we may be there now, they will eventually be black
marketed on the internet and that cash cow will be dead.  Truth is...the KR1
plans are already "free" on the internet, posted by a guy that got fed up
waiting on plans back in 2009when he finally got them, he posted them as
a bit torrent, if you don't mind getting a load of malware with your free
plans.  I've also heard of them available on ebay.

We all want to do the right thing with plans, which is pay the rightful
owner for them and sleep well at night, but they have to be legally and
morally OBTAINABLE somehow!  If there's anybody out there that has Mrs.
Rand's ear, it would be good to persuade her to do something about plans
availability, and soon, before the plans become freely available and people
can say rightfully say "I simply couldn't get them any other way".  I don't
care who sells them, but they need to be available in a timely manner from
somebody that takes credit card orders, has a bunch of plans sets ready to
go, and will ship them within a day or so.  Anything else leads to problems,
as those of us on this list well know.  This has been going on too long...

Mark Langford, Harvest, AL
ML at N56ML.com
www.N56ML.com 

KR> Engine Shipping

[Richard Kaczmarek]

Last few engines I have shipped were done with Uship they bid on the
shipment and you are only required to place it on a pallet and tie it down.
Last one I shipped was an 0-300 from Ohio to Nevada and cost me $120 that
was just before Thanksgiving.

Richard Kaczmarek
Fast Little Airplanes LLC
937-243-7303
www.quickheads.com
On Dec 8, 2014 11:11 PM, "Dan Prichard via KRnet" 
wrote:

> Most carriers will not accept an engine unless it's in a box (plywood) and
> on a pallet. When I bought my engine it was shipped from Kansas to Portland
> Oregon via FedEx Freight. Engine and box was 320 lbs. I believe it was
> around $200.00. If you use PayPal book your shipping through them and save.
> Hope this helps
>
> Dan Prichard
> Portland Oregon
> KR2S
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Dec 8, 2014, at 7:15 PM, Joe Nunley via KRnet 
> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Folks,
> >
> > I am looking to ship an aircraft engine.  What have you found to be the
> > best way to ship. The engine is on a pallet.
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > Joe
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KR> Looking for Plans and a Person

[Richard Kaczmarek]

I have sent Steve an email about the ability of my company taking over the
production of parts and support of the KR, but have not heard back from him
as of yet. My proposal as the plans go would be to continue to produce them
with a proper s/n and place what would normally be paid out to the rights
holder in a separate account to be paid when the holder would come back
forward. This is what is currently done with The Fly Baby. I would not want
to get in a legal fight over rights ownership.  By holding funds that way
the rights holder would be properly compensated.

Richard Kaczmarek
Fast Little Airplanes LLC
937-243-7303
www.quickheads.com
On Dec 4, 2014 8:43 PM, "Dan Prichard via KRnet" 
wrote:

> Greg,  The official source of plans is on the blink. Please be patient. We
> are all hoping for a change in the situation soon. Stay tuned to the KRnet
>
> Dan Prichard
> Portland Oregon
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Dec 4, 2014, at 2:17 AM, Greg Skidgel via KRnet 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi All I'm new to the KR community, I saw my first KR in September 2014
> at the fly inn. Everyone was positive,had great ideas and a lot to say. Now
> I want to build a KR2S But I cannot find plans Can someone pointme the
> right way to purchase plans. I also know of a local guy is looking to sell
> a built KR, so if someone
> > can get me in touch with Jim Moorhead I would appreciate it.  I'm
> Looking foreward to this build.
> > Thanks to all
> >
> > Greg SkidgelEl Dorado, CA
> >
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KR> ...to read posts from prior years

[Jeff Scott]

I think that's his point.  The service has been down for a few days.

-Jeff Scott
Los Alamos, NM

>
> Click on that link about searching the archives that is at the bottom of
> every email.
> 
> 
>  Original Message 
> Subject: KR> ...to read posts from prior years
> From: Herbert_F?rle via KRnet 
> Date: Mon, December 08, 2014 10:03 am
> To: "krnet at list.krnet.org" 
> 
> .I don'nt know what I have to do ,to read posts from prior years!
> Any help is welcome,
> Kindly regards,Herbert
> 
> Von meinem iPad gesendet
>