KR> paintjob finished

[Carl Dow]

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On Saturday, June 25, 2016, 6:17 AM, Stef den Boer via KRnet  wrote:

Hi gys.
I am so happy I can tell you that we finshed the fu*+^% sending. After 3 days we
are finished with the painting.
So happy with the result.
Stef


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KR> Microsoft#$%*

[Carl Dow]

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On Saturday, June 25, 2016, 9:05 AM, Larry Flesner via KRnet  wrote:


Microsoft users BEWARE !!!

I purchased a refurbished laptop last September so I could get one 
with the Windows7 OS.? During updates last week in stuck in the 
Windows10 upgrade. Damn!!? At the end of the upgrade I declined the 
"terms and conditions" and it said "o.k., we'll put it back to the 
original OS.? Well, because I had a "legal" version of Windows7 
Professional from a third party, it didn't reload and crashed my 
laptop.? After an hour on the phone with Microsoft they said my only 
option (when I was able to understand the non-English speaking rep) 
was to have them repair it for $99 or a one year maintenance 
agreement for $199.? Your @ss !!!? I received a disk with Windows7 OS 
from the remanufacture but it didn't totally restore to what I had 
before.? No drivers for my 3.0 USB ports, etc.? It is now on it's way 
to the re manufacturer (under warranty-free shipping) to be put back 
together.

If you don't want Windows10, be very cautious of upgrades they want 
to put on your computer.? Read each step carefully.? When I get the 
computer back I'll have to totally restore all files and programs as 
before, more hours of wasted time I could be flying.? With 50% of 
Microsoft users still running Windows7 you'd think they could take a hint.

Larry Flesner? 


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KR> Removable Front Deck

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On Friday, May 6, 2016, 4:38 PM, Larry Flesner via KRnet  wrote:


>
>There was also a write up of an instrument panel rework where a 
>portion of the cockpit floor was removable thus allowing you to 
>stand in the cockpit with your feet on the ground and it made life much easier
__

On the plus side that would eliminate the need for brakes.? And with 
roller skates you could eliminate the need for landing gear also.

Larry Flesner 


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KR> Wings Dings and Things!

[Carl Dow]

Both are correct, one controls the "quality" of the lift e.g. Bernoulli, and 
the other is just plain lift from angle of incidence.  The both work together 
in an infinite amount of variations.  Heck one can work without the other.  The 
"quality"/"stability" will be less than desirable for sure.
c. dow


On Monday, September 15, 2014 8:57 PM, Larry H via KRnet  wrote:



Many years ago I did a lot of research on, lift, drag & aerodynamics in general 
trying to figure out what good cool stuff to do to a airplane design. I've 
always been interested in fast, cheap to fly efficient airplanes. I looked into 
the lift thing, boy oh boy are there differing opinions on that subject! The 
two theories most aerodynamists believed before and at the time was as most of 
us have heard. Below theory #1 & #2
1: Wings are flat on the bottom, curved or rounded on top. The theory is as the 
air molecules are separated at the leading edge the bottom of wing molecules 
just lolly gag sauntering along with no worries at all heading for the trailing 
edge of the wing, right?
The molecules that headed over the top of the wing are really different from 
the lazy bottom molecules. The top molecules have to be the serious workers 
racing really fast over the longer distance curved top of the wing so they can 
meet back up with their buddy molecules they used to be next to before they 
took the easy, lazy short route across the bottom of the wing. Because the top 
speedy molecules are racing faster they create a vacuum or LIFT!!
This theory number one is what we've all heard of course.
I've wondered then and since, if this is true then a guy flying upside down 
(many have and do) is getting lifted or sucked towards the ground right!
I've thought what about the guy flying a pure symmetrical wing, heck he's 
getting equally sucked up and down. That poor wing has to decide if it likes 
being high or on the ground ! I'm surprised the pilot can make his symmetrical 
wing obey and take him skyward!

2. Some believe that the downward force of air off of the trailing edge of the 
wing creates the lifting force. They say the molecules on top racing to meet 
back up with their bottom buddy molecules is the most ignorant thing they've 
ever heard. 
If you look at a Dr Whittcomb (sp) GAW2 (I think that stood for General 
Aviation Wing # 2 of the series.) I know he had a 1 and 2 but I'm not sure if 
he went further or not with the series. Anyone is welcome to correct me you 
won't hurt my feelings too bad!
When you look at the #2 airfoil you will see the bottom near the trailing edge 
curves upward but then back downward at the trailing edge. The top line where 
it meets the bottom is below the chord line not on the chord line. It looks as 
though Dr Whittcomb had the downward thrust of air creates the lift theory 
going here. I think the Glassair aircraft used this airfoil but could have been 
the GAW 1, I don't remember for sure now.

It's possible that the belly boards on planes KRs especially in this 
conversation are throwing, pushing, forcing air downward which is creating 
additional lift then the turbulence is creating drag and a vacuum on the back 
side of the belly board to help slow the plane while lifting it a little.

This is my theory and I'm sticking to it tonight. I may have a new theory 
tomorrow!!LOL

Larry Howell



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KR> Drag????

[Carl Dow via KRnet]

Today at 3:10 AM  
The egos, the drama, the over reactions, the perfectionism, WOW 
I am sick, Mr. Langford, get over yourself.? Life is short? Just stop and 
be likeable it is enough to make me puke!? Your plane is awesome, your 
knowledge and experience are beyond reproach, but my dear sir you take yourself 
waay too seriously as do others on this site.? No one is better than 
any other in this world, no one has the right to belittle others, especially 
for trivialities.? Think what you will of this email, slam me as you do others, 
but this is truly for your own good and of those around you.? It is well 
intentioned as I have nothing to gain or lose from this.? I enjoy the vast 
amount of excellent information, but the truth is the egos and attitudes are a 
bit much.? We all do well in taking a long look at ourselves with a neutral 
view to see ourselves as others perceive us.? If this means nothing to you, 
then the loss is your own.

Sincerely,
Carl Edward Dow
On Friday, May 9, 2014 10:25 PM, Jeff Scott via KRnet  
wrote:

> - Original Message -
> 
> Maybe I AM blowing smoke and will inhale it later but I AM curious about
> all the talk of adding drag to the KR to slow it down.
> ?I have flown several low drag / clean aircraft without flaps and
> never had any unnerving problems with landing.
> ?My personal opinion banded on some experience is to fly the airplane
> as intended. Get comfortable with the SLOWER SPEEDS and then determine what
> / if anything else one needs or wants to add. THERE IS NO FREE LUNCH IN
> AERODYNAMICS.
> ?All aircraft have speeds that work best as they are intended. Whether
> a larger engine or a set of drag inducing flaps or belly board one MUST
> ALWAYS REALIZE THE CHANGE will affect something else.
> ?Doran
> ?N186RC
> ?kr2owner at email.co.

I was thinking the same way when I built my KR. ?I flew it 500 hrs with no 
flaps, belly board, or any other deployable drag. ?What I found over the years 
is that as I kept improving the plane with incremental drag reductions, the 
plane was getting more difficult to land. ?I was spending too much time over 
the runway transitioning from flying to rolling. ?At 500 hours, I did some 
major renovations to the plane  to include a 
significantly larger tail and the addition of flaps. ?To me, it was shocking as 
to how much easier this plane is to land with some kind of deployable drag. ?I 
have put another 500 hours on the plane since I added the flaps and have 
continued with my drag reduction improvements. ?It is really rare that I ever 
land this plane without flaps now that they are on there.

I don't think there was much question that I could fly the plane well in it's 
original configuration. ?(OK, some of you may think I suck as a pilot :o) ?What 
I discovered after adding flaps and a larger tail is that the plane was much 
easier to land. ?By making it easier to land, I found that I was much more 
comfortable landing the plane in more challenging wind conditions. ?Since I 
could land under more challenging conditions, I was flying the plane a lot more 
and was very comfortable flying off to other places without having to worry 
about changing wind conditions at my destination airport or the often times 
challenging wind conditions getting back into my one way in, one way out, 7000' 
high on a mesa home airport. ?Adding flaps and a larger tail to my plane simply 
made my plane so I could use it a more.

-Jeff Scott
Los Alamos, NM

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KR> Drag???? Whoa!

[Carl Dow via KRnet]

The egos, the drama, the over reactions, the perfectionism, WOW 
I am sick, Mr. Langford, get over yourself.? Life is short? Just stop and 
be likeable it is enough to make me puke!? Your plane is awesome, your 
knowledge and experience are beyond reproach, but my dear sir you take yourself 
waay too seriously as do others on this site.? No one is better than 
any other in this world, no one has the right to belittle others, especially 
for trivialities.? Think what you will of this email, slam me as you do others, 
but this is truly for your own good and of those around you.? It is well 
intentioned as I have nothing to gain or lose from this.? I enjoy the vast 
amount of excellent information, but the truth is the egos and attitudes are a 
bit much.? We all do well in taking a long look at ourselves with a neutral 
view to see ourselves as others perceive us.? If this means nothing to you, 
then the loss is your own.

Sincerely,
Carl Edward Dow
On Sunday, May 11, 2014 12:51 AM, Doran Jaffas via KRnet  wrote:

? ?  I DID NOT MEAN TO IMPLY THAT ALL MODS ARE BAD.
? ?  I MAY END UP ADDING A BELLY FLAP AS WELL. I HAVE A SIMPLE LINKAGE
DESIGNED THAT WILL BE EASY TO INSTALL.
? ? ? SOMETIMES THOUGH THE LESS EXPERIENCED COULD GET THE WRONG IDEA FROM
SOME OF US THAT DO HAVE EXPERIENCE.
? ? ? SIGNING OFF. FEEL FREE TO CONTACT ME PERSONALLY BUT I FEEL TOO MUCH
HEAT IS BEING GIVEN PUBLICLY.
? ?  COUNTER IDEAS AND CORRECTIVE WORDS GIVEN TO ASSIST ARE ONE THING. OPEN
REBUKE IS ANOTHER.
? ? ? THERE ARE A LOT OF GOOD AND KNOWLEDGEABLE FOLKS HERE.
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?  Doran
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?  N186RC
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? .kr2owner at gmail.com
On May 9, 2014 2:43 PM, "Doran Jaffas"  wrote:
>
> Maybe I AM blowing smoke and will inhale it later but I AM curious about
all the talk of adding drag to the KR to slow it down.
>? ? ?  I have flown several low drag / clean aircraft without flaps and
never had any unnerving problems with landing.
>? ? ? My personal opinion banded on some experience is to fly the airplane
as intended. Get comfortable with the SLOWER SPEEDS and then determine what
/ if anything else one needs or wants to add.? THERE IS NO FREE LUNCH IN
AERODYNAMICS.
>? ? ? All aircraft have speeds that work best as they are intended.
Whether a larger engine or a set of drag inducing flaps or belly board one
MUST ALWAYS REALIZE THE CHANGE will affect something else.
>? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?  Doran
>? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? N186RC
>? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? kr2owner at email.co.
>
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KR> Compression

[Carl Dow via KRnet]

8:1
On Tuesday, May 6, 2014 5:51 AM, Doran Jaffas via KRnet  wrote:

Hello folks, I need to call Great Plains and get the manual sent to me but
in the meantime does anybody know if the recommended compression for the
2180 conversion?
? ? ? ? ? ? ?  Doran
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? N186RC
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KR> Tailwheel Endorsement

[Carl Dow]

!! CONGRATULATIONS !!



 From: Glenn Martin 
To: KRnet  
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 4:42 PM
Subject: KR> Tailwheel Endorsement

As of 5PM CST today, I have my tailwheel endorsement! The BEST Christmas 
gift!

-- 
Glenn Martin,
KR2 N1333A,
Biloxi, MS

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KR> Brian Coss

[Carl Dow]

Brian,
I have yet to start building.  I am an avid reader of the posts on this site.  
They are priceless for someone like us.  I truly appreciate the intelligence, 
candor, technical brilliance, and just plain good ideas I see here.  The 
people on this site are providing everyone a chance to learn from their 
mistakes, research, and experience.  The reason these kind folks are wanting 
posts to stay on subject is for further research.  If rules aren't followed 
then all this excellent information is extremely time consuming to find again.  
It turns into a guessing game of where to look for the information because it 
is not under the SUBJECT that it pertains to.  No one is being picky or hard on 
you.  It is for the good of all the builders and the Site.  This type of 
structure is conducive to easy research and a professional approach to 
building.  Our lives are on the line, if attention to detail is not paid to 
posting, it will carry over to your
 building.  Crossing your T's and dotting you I's and staying on subject are 
just a part of it.  Those are the rules.  Be a good guy and set pride aside.  I 
don't know any of these people but I think these people are on your side.

Kind Regards,
carl dow



From: I FLY KRs <n92...@cox.net>
To: KRnet <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 11:28 AM
Subject: KR> Brian Coss 

Brother, throw a temper tantrum if you want but it is the surest way to not get 
any help from this group. You have been advised by more than one person to 
please change your subject line when asking your questions. How do you expect 
to finish your plane if cannot follow simple instructions. If you cannot be 
more respectful of the group then just go away. If you would like assistance 
with your plane we are more than happy to help but please abide by the rules of 
the list. 

Steve Glover

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 13, 2011, at 11:13, Brian Coss <briancossdul...@gmail.com> wrote:

> well excuse the hell outta me, no wonder why travis wasnt on this site,
> I will never ask another question!!
> On Oct 13, 2011 10:07 AM, "L.G. 
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KR> Roy Marsh

[Carl Dow]

With 1,500 feet to recover from a stall?
Yes, I would say that is  confidence.
--- On Wed, 5/4/11, John Bouyea  wrote:


From: John Bouyea 
Subject: RE: KR> Roy Marsh
To: kr...@mylist.net
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Wednesday, May 4, 2011, 9:09 PM


I visited Roy while he was building. He told me a lot about the project. It
was shoehorned into his garage next to his wife's Alfa Romeo. His son was
(is) an aeronautical designer. They changed the airfoil to something close
to what was on the P51 he drove in the military. Roy told me they expected
the stall speed to increase quite a bit. He wasn't too concerned about it; a
sure sign of his confidence in his piloting skills. I recall his workmanship
approaching an art form.

I took several rolls of film that day; I have the paper photos around here
somewhere. If I recover those, it would be fun to scan and post them for the
group to see.

Best wishes,
John Bouyea/ Hillsboro, OR
N5391M KR2 in test program
KR2S progress suspended (for now)

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Subject: KR> Roy Marsh

I flew up to Santa Maria last fall to do a prop balance job and was told
by Paul Lipps that Roy still comes out to the occasional EAA meeting and
other aviation get-togethers in that area.  His plane had a new Revmaster
turbo when it was sold three or four years ago.  Somebody in Oregon
restored it and had it for sale . . . I remember talking to the person on
the phone.  Time flies . . . it may have been longer ago than that.   The
plane still looked like new in the sale pictures.  

Mike
KSEE



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