KR> Swift Fuel

[Dann Johnson]

 
 
The Swift Fuel Web FAQ page ( apparently written about 18 months ago ), stated 
that their goal was  to have Swift Fuel for sale at airplane gas pumps in 
Spring 2010.  Maybe they will be able to make it in time for Oshkosh
 
http://www.swiftenterprises.net/FAQ.html
 
Dann Johnson
Thompson, Iowa

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KR> kr2 model on ebay

[Dann Johnson]

Maybe this is old news, but i stumbled a cross a mdodel  
 a  KR-2S ?

Ebay item 120058142248


Copy on the ebay item read:
RAND ROBINSON KR-2On June 1, 1974, the KR-2, a two seat version emerged into 
the world of experimental aviation with its maiden flight. The prototype KR-2, 
N4KR, was powered by an 1834cc Revmaster, which is an otherwise stock 1600cc VW 
with 99mm cylinders. This particular engine was a single ignition version and 
used a Bendix mag and a Posa carburetor. Revmaster gives the engine a 
continuous rating of 60 hp at 3000 rpms, which is on the conservative side. Ken 
Rand, the designer/builder, obtained cruise speeds of 180mph at 3200 rpm and 
airspeeds of 200mph at higher altitudes.
KR-2 Specifications

Dann

KR> getting registered on the forum

[Dann Johnson]

  Forums are a NO GO for me.

  Old School Email  krnet


  Dann


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KR> Re: Delay in e-mail postings KRnet

[Dann Johnson]

I think the flood of mal-ware emails is plugging up the email system.  I 
nolonger open any "bounced" return to sender email.  I think that they are 
hacker / spyware originated.   Here is why. 

  For several weeks, I have been flooded with  junk emails being sent,  
identified as if I had sent them originally, and that they are being rejected,  
bounced, returned etc.   Sometimes it appears I get more of those than  real 
email.What I think is happening is that hackers are sending out fake  
-bounced- emails  trying to get  us to open them, and to open a back door into 
our computers.   Norton anti-virus says that my computer is clean, but who 
knows.

  What started out as a trickle has become a torrent, so the stragedgy is 
working.  I know that opening the  a nasty email  attachment can open hacker- 
backdoors into my  computer.  Opening some email with mal-ware html do that 
also.   Good luck to us all.   

  Dann
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KR> Re: EBAY kr2 cd plans

[Dann Johnson]

RR / Jeannet will need to have her lawyer send that guy and ebay letters if she 
wants to defend her copywrite.  Maybe she hasn't extended her copywrite claims 
and so it becomes public domain?  Else if the cd guy is 'just'  offering 
scanned 'original' 30 plus year-old version of the KR2 

  Practically speaking,  it would probably be smarter / cheaper to get a full 
set of current version plans.

  Last year, just for reference, I bought cd plans for  VP-1 and Sonerai on 
ebay.   To really do anything with them, I think  that I would probably need to 
take them to kinkos or some company that prints stuff out  on big paper.  Even 
at small scale, they would eat up a lot of paper.

  Dann

  10. Re: KR PLans on CD (Pete Diffey)
11. Re: KR PLans on CD (Mark Jones)
12. Re: KR PLans on CD (Phil Matheson)
13. Re: KR PLans on CD (Pete Diffey)
14. Bad day at the airport (countryhomeprint)
15. RE: KR PLans on CD (Steve Glover)
16. another sunset (Mark Langford)
17. Re: another sunset (Keith and Martha Crawford)
18. Re: another sunset (Myron (Dan) Freeman)
19. RE: Gathering Fly-by Photos posted (Brian Kraut)
20. Re: KR PLans on CD (Randy Powell)
21. RE: Bad day at the airport (Barry Kruyssen)
22. KR PLans on CD (Steve Bray)
23. Re: Bad day at the airport (born2fly32...@wmconnect.com)
Message: 10
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Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 00:54:43 +0100
From: Pete Diffey 

Subject: Re: KR> KR PLans on CD
To: KRnet 
I don't condone the theft of Janet's IP.
but  It is up to RR to get their finger out and stick genuine sets of plans 
on CD and make them available via ebay or any other means. Mark Langford 
has probably helped sell hundred's of sets of plans - far, far more than 
RR have sold !

Perhaps it's up to one of you boys with the correct background to help 
her out by offering to scan plans etc.

I really don't think that snarling at someone who makes a few bucks out 
of spotting a market will actually sell a single set of genuine plans. 
If RR were to get together with Mark, and put a set of plans + all the 
good construction stuff on a CD it could be sold for $10 and would sell 
in the tens of thousands.

Pete



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Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 19:29:29 -0500
From: "Mark Jones" 
Subject: Re: KR> KR PLans on CD
To: "KRnet" 
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Hey, maybe we should approach Van's and all the others and get them to sell 
their plans on CD's for $10. Get real.!!! Those plans on the CD are theft of 
protected material.

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Wales, WI
Visit my web site: www.flykr2s.com
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KR> KR2 gathering info

[Dann Johnson]

Could you refresh me on this years  KR2 gathering.  Still in Illinois ?

Oh.. on Ebay there is a listing for an interesting VW powered airplane.  Looks 
like it would be really heavy. Past the  item number ( 290015467228 ) into the 
ebay search slot. 




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   2. Re:  cover your ears...another flight report (Larry H.)
   3.  LCD going black (J Milland)
   4. Re:  Gathering location (Steve Bray)
   5.  Roy Marsh's KR-2 (laser...@juno.com)


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Nothing but amphibious planes at Gilbert.

Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com

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gathering at a given location, more than two consecutive years. >

 Hey everyone
 I enjoy the krnet very much, the people are friendly and don't care to help
people out when they need info on build their airplane. I realize that I am
new to this list. I like the ideal that you move the meeting place every 2
years. When you do that people from all over has a chance to see everyones
airplanes and talk to them in person.
 On the other hand I can see having it at the same place, for instance look
at sun and fun or Oshgosh there is a lot of people goes them once  a year. I
would like to see a gethering down here in Florida at the Gilbert Field here
in Winter Haven Florida. I am sure that a lot of you know the field because
this field is packed when the sun and fun is going on.They also have a eaa
chapter over there but I think that they are buliding RV's Thanks for
reading my post
Bob
harley...@earthlink.net

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Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 20:19:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Larry H." 
Subject: Re: KR> cover your ears...another flight report
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W-O-OO Whewww That was close ! Startled me there !!
  My second choice is your dads grass strip ! Actually first choice since I 
know none of us has a C5a or anything close to it.
  Larry H.

Mark Langford  wrote:
  NetHeads,

Today I flew down to my father's grass strip, turning a grueling 4 hour 
drive that I used to hate (I don't do it any more) into a 1.5 hour excuse to 
fly somewhere. The landing was my best yet, because after bouncing three 
times yesterday on Moontown's grass strip, I was determined to "plant it" 
this time and during future landings. Apparently I've become lulled into 
three pointing it such that I don't need to "stick it" with forward stick, 
but that's something I really ought to do on every landing.

And the bonus is that my father is on the other end of that trip. He's 75 
years old and still way sharper than I could ever hope to be. What a 
character. My mother's there too, and although she's physically in great 
shape (thanks to my father), she's basically about a year old mentally, 
thanks to Alzheimers. That's particulary sad for somebody with a PhD that 
ran the county school system for twenty five years. The funny thing about 
that is you never know if she's going to kiss you or bite you!

We spent a few hours sitting around talking, driving around the farm looking 
at the cows, looking at all the cool stuff in the barn, driving the back 
roads, scoping out the irrigation pipe (potential KR fuel tanks), and just 
generally talking like we've rarely had 

KR> Re: KR 1b

[Dann Johnson]

Most of the cars that I see driving down the road have a single person in them. 
 My goal now, is my  plans built version of the kr2  will  fly with  me, 
sometimes with a grand kid.   I see the KR2 as bascially a sport motorcycle of 
the air.

  At age 54, my blood pressure and heart are still ok, but the blood pressure 
seems to climb a bit higher each year.  If I drink an extra cup of coffee, or 
test at the end of  a stressful day,  then I  get a reading where the MD would 
suggest blood pressure meds.  My best guess that if I want to be flying 10 
years from now, that, I will want an airplane that  I can still fly using just 
my DL rather than worrying about failing a pilot medical.

  My KR2 wings are done, but now, I am thinking of making another  set that are 
several feet longer.   Reading on the thread making  KR2 ELSA..  What would be 
so wrong to talk with the inspector.   This one started out to be a KR2 but 
ended up with some mods.  I think that some of the KR2s, expecially   Mark 
Langerford's is best described as a Super KR2S .  Mark could have called his  a 
ML -2  , as he has pretty much evolved it by lengthening and widening it  into 
a new airplane using a different powerplant / airfoil. 

  http://www.geocities.com/mnikunenkr1/
  I just did a google search for the powered glider verson of the kr1.

  When Ken Rand build his 1972  version of the KR-1, didn't he basically built 
a composite version of the wood and fabric ?  English  VW powered Taylor plain? 

  Original KR 1B brochure
  http://www.geocities.com/mnikunenkr1/prosyyri.html

  http://aerofoilengineering.com/KR/sportaviation/Kr80-1.HTM

  Dann

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1. RE: Making KR ELSA - rebuttle (Dennis Mingear)
2. Re: Making KR ELSA (Mark Langford)
3. Re: FLAP SPEEDS (Mark Langford)
4. Re: FLAP SPEEDS. LS (Mark Langford)
5. Re: Making KR ELSA - rebuttle (k...@spottedowl.biz)
6. Re: Making KR ELSA (Dan Heath)
7. Re: Making KR ELSA - rebuttle (Phil Matheson)
8. Re: Making KR ELSA (Dennis Mingear)
9. Re: Making KR ELSA - rebuttle (James Ferris)
10. Re: Re: Making KR ELSA - rebuttle (Bob Glidden)
11. Re: Making KR ELSA -/ Photo's (Phil Matheson)
12. Re: Brake suggestions? (Ron Butterfield)
13. Re: Making KR ELSA -/ Photo's (Dan Heath)
14. Re: Re: Making KR ELSA - rebuttle (Ed Janssen)
15. yucky day, another great flight! (Mark Langford)
rhartwi...@juno.com wrote:
Thankfully it is still Friday!!
Let's see.I think I finally have it.
It is a KR if you:
stretch it 14 inches,
make it 6 inches wider,
make the sides vertical,
build it 200+ pounds over plans gross wt.,
use a different airfoil,
install an O235,
change the horizontal airfoil,
use Dr. Dean Hinges,
build it with sliding or forward tilt canopy,
use Fowler flaps,
make the fuselage a foam/fiberglass sandwich,
make folding wings. (are these changes all made by "designers?")
It is not a KR if you:
build it light and to the plans except for adding slightly more wing area
or make it a single place to give it a stall speed of 51mph instead of
the Rand Robinson published stall speed of 52mph.one little mph,
have it cruise at about 135mph.(and there are a lot of KR's flying
that do not exceed the LSA cruise speed specs.)

Please don't try to stifle those who are discussing how to lower the
stall speed. By the way I did not get to vote on the following-- "It
has been agreed upon here that an ELSA legal KR 1 or 2 would not remotely
be a KR anymore"
We are not talking about an ELSA anyway--we are talking about an Amateur
Built Experimental KR that is legal for a Sport Pilot to fly. The LSA's
category planes are factory built or built from an approved factory kit.

If you took a poll of the Netters you would probably find that relatively
few have finished and flown a KR or any other homebuilt. We do look up
to those of you who have.
Rich Hartwig
Waunakee, WI
rhartwi...@juno.com

KR> Re: KR2 on Ebay again

[Dann Johnson]

Ebay item 4639840683is a KR2 with a 2100 Revmaster
being offered from Alabama 
This seller appears to be the same person that bought
a  KR2 two weeks ago.. and  it appears to be the same
plane, with the possible exception that the carb, that
isn't included this time.

Appears to be the same plane as was sold as item
number 
4633434916 , which  ended april 27th. South Carolina

Dann Johnson
Thompson, Iowa

KR> Re: Head Sets

[Dann Johnson]

Netters,


  My KR2 is "a ways"  from flying, and rather than getting "stalled  out"  
 I have been reading posts on several different  lists.  

  Head sets, and the  high noise level in another (non KR2   experimental  had 
gotten a thread going on which kinds of headsets  were best.   I would hope 
that the composite construction of  the KR2 sould help deaden a little sound.  
I had always wondered  about fitting foam into the grid wooden gridwork of the 
inside of the  KR2 boat., and covering that with a thin fabric for  looks. 

  Dann 

  Here was a pretty graphic post from the sonerai list today on HeadSets :

  "Bob...this is not a thrashing...but I have done just as you  suggest on your 
post. My Continental has (4)equal  length exhaust  25"+-. Many people have 
commented how quiet it is. Most of noise is not  coming from the engine. As 
someone once told me that flying a Sonerai  was like being inside of a metal 
trash can being hit with a stick. Also  the shape of the fuselage is shaped 
like a megaphone ...with the pilot  sitting at the mouth of the megaphone. My 
head set of choice is a  15year old David Clark H10-40 modified with the ANR 
kit by Headsets  Inc, and gel ear seals. It is uncomfortable...but it very 
quiet. I  would like to make the group aware that the ANR part on noise 
reduction  DOES NOT PROTECT YOUR HEARING. The passive part of the head set is 
what  protects your hearing. A good head set must provide both types of  
protection. Earplugs are also good passive protection. 
  Anyway...the David Clarks, foam and gel seals mashing down on my ears  
although uncomfortable are doing their job..Ivan  "

KR> Re Alcohol in Fuel

[Dann Johnson]

  Ethel Alcohol is a good solvent, but not a super solvent, perhaps  not  as 
good a solvent as gasolene itself. I was a  bio major in college, with a 
chem minor... just 8 hours worth ofp chem short of  a major.   Organic 
Chemistry is  wonderful stuff.  

  My 50 cent opinion is that most of the anti alcohol /gaso-hol   stuff comes 
from bad science:  the $  public relations  department of  oil companies, with 
colaboration / the "wink" from  other  companies.  

  Growing up as  an Iowa Corn Farmer,  Since 1979,  I have  run only  the 
ethanol  10% / 90% gas blend.   Not  once have I ever had an engine quit, and 
leave me a  foot on the  road... until last Saturday,  and that was a broken 
timing belt. 

  Cars that I bought brand new...  I ran my Ford Courier 240,000  miles plus 
... and my Ford Escort over 200 K..and  a  Jeep Cherokee, and  more than a 
dozen n other high milage  cars and trucks.  No o-rings failed.  

  Tigers and Lions and Bears, Oh My!

  Dann 

KR> FAA Inspections

[Dann Johnson]

I had heard someplace, in  Spring 2005,  that the FAA now only bothers to come 
for a final inspection.  

  At last Sunday's  EAA chapter meeting in Mason City,   Iowa,   I  heard that 
the FAA intends to get out of the  experimental / home built inspection 
business.Final  Inspections will be preformed by civilian contractors 
approved by the  FAA at $500 / inspection.  What does it cost now?Anyone 
else heard of this, as it was all news to me.

  Dann Johnson


List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:25:26 EST
From: bdazzca...@aol.com
Subject: KR> faa inspections?
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Hi,

 Can anyone tell me at what stages of construction am I suppose to 
get 
inspected by the FAA? I know I need to get my spars built but not 
sealed til I 
get them inspected first... but what other stages?

David Swanson
bdazzca...@aol.com

KR> Re: Avionic Instruments

[Dann Johnson]

  I am wondering about instrumentation sources.   When I got my  private 
pilots' lic back in  1969,   I got most of my  first 40 hours learning to  fly, 
 in a 1946 ( or maybe it was  a  47 ?) Aeronca Champ.   As I recall,  it   had  
only 5 instruments:  an  airspeed indicator, a  tach, a magnetic compas,  a 
slip- turn bank indicator, and an  altimeter.

  So far the only gage that I have from my KR2 is an airspeed indicator.
  I definately don't want a  massive 20 = pound gyro compus, or  similar 
massive artificial horizon, like I saw sell on eBay last month.

  What kind of instruments are  most commonly going into the KR2 .. 
  What instruments  populate your KR2 panels?

  There are so many choices of used stuff on ebay. Even in used turn-bank  
indicators there is a choice of vacume, or electric ?  

  Dann

KR> vw engine rear drive prop

[Dann Johnson]

  As of Sunday night, there is still a 2 place mid engine sonerai being sold on 
ebay with a 2180 engine.  Reading the questions,  the seller responded that the 
propeller was a " rear drive ".

  So.. he must have had the engine reversed ?   How common is this? 

  Reading on plans from Sunday's posts.. must be pretty common for builders to 
end up with  multiple sets.   I have the original set of plans that  came with 
my basic KR2, and a unused 2004 set of KR2S plans.  

  Dann


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1. RE: Re: KR Plans - copyright (Brian Kraut)
2. RE: Gear leg brackets (Brian Kraut)
3. Re: Retract gear (Lee Van Dyke)

KR> Re: KR Retract Hickeys

[Dann Johnson]

Dan

My KR2 also has the original kr2 retract gear.  The fellow that I bought it 
from said that I could make it non-retractable by locking up the linkage.
I figured if the gear ever retracted at the wrong time, it would mean a prop 
strike, ruin the prop and probably also cost a crank shaft, plus whatever wing 
/body damage.

Oh.. several have asked if I wanted to sell my extra KR2S plans.   I don't 
think so, but Mark Langerford's version of a streched / widened KR2S with the 
new air foil, corvair engine.. etc.. has pretty much  morfed into a plane about 
as different for the original KR1 as that was from the Taylor .. what ever that 
Ken Rand based his KR2 on.

amy opinion.  But what would stop Mark from marketing his own plans based on 
his own prototype airplane.

Dann






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Date: 

Mon, 23 Jan 2006 16:49:54 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)
From: "Dan Heath" 
Subject: Re: KR> Retract gear
To: 
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Bobby,

That might be a big mistake.  Save your KR and put a fixed gear on it.  
I
had to crash my first one 3 times before I finally got wise and put on 
a
fixed.  Never crashed it again.  The crashes were caused by gear 
collapse. 

See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics 
See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering
There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for 
building
is OVER.
Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC
---Original Message---
Might go ahead and fly this thing with the retract, to see if
I like it before I get into a modification project. Twice I have had
retract hickys.

KR>Newbie -- VW and Corvair

[Dann Johnson]

Mark, Larry, 

Mark Langford  has shared so much good information on web pages, 
that most anything he says is fine with me. 

But people do throw rocks... like  the A & P that I shot the breese with a 
couple months back. 

My local A & P  scoffed at both Corvair and VW.. he said get a "real airplane 
engine".

Right now, I still don't have an ready to fly engine. 
I have a disassembled  corvair safe and dry in a crate, 
but I am on the look out for  a  reasonably priced VW 
that will get me in the air.

After the November EAA chapter meeting in Mankato, Mn , I got to see a corvair 
powered  dragonfly II  run.   
The owner had taken out a  vw engine, sold it, replacing it with a corvair.. 
As a result had most of a year as down time.  
He was very proud of his corvair engine, but it still wasn't running quite up 
to par.

As I understand it, he was using VW jugs, and shortened connecting rods.. etc.  
Kind of a hybrid VW/ Corvair.  
More horse power, less weight.

Dann Johnson
Thompson, Iowa 

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Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:02:00 -0600
From: "Mark Langford" <n5...@hiwaay.net>
Subject: Re: KR>Newbie --  VW and Corvair
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
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Phil Matheson wrote:

> I was planing a full reply to Marks comments, as I was very 
disappointed.

I'm sorry I disappointed you.My comments were based on the posts of 
several folks on the list who are either building or flying behind VWs 
that 
have said they'd rather have a Corvair in their plane, if they could 
start 
over.  There are several folks who were flying behind VWs that recently 
switched to the Corvair.  Here's a short list: Bob Lester, Steve 
Makish, 
Steve Jones, and Bill Clapp used to fly a VW in his earlier KR2.  Why 
didn't 
Bill build his new S with a VW engine?Steve Glover was in the 
process of 
converting from VW to Corvair when he sold his airplane.  There are 
several 
folks who've bought VW powered projects that are now converting them to 
Corvair power (like Colin Rainey).  I don't know of a single soul who's 
flown behind a Corvair that wants to go back to a VW.  I even know one 
guy 
with an 0-200 in his plane that's planning on installing a Corvair.

But  I'll try to keep my biased comments to myself in the future...

Mark Langford, Harvest, AL
see homebuilt airplane at http://www.N56ML.com
email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net 

KR> Mark Jones phto p 78 Sport Aviation

[Dann Johnson]

Mark,

If I remember correctly the Corvair College is this
coming weekend.  Florida is a long drive, and my
Mankato Mn chapter 642 meeting is this weekend, but
the temptation is strong.  I have a half built tail
dragger KR2 plus a Corvair engine sitting in a crate /
box in my quonset.

Dann

KR> Re: KR2 VW reduction Tork...KRnet vol 347, Issue 379

[Dann Johnson]

Greetings.

I have been trying to follow the gear reduction / 
Tork / vs hourse power thread.  Horse power should
basically be constant, that is just foot pounds of
energy per second... just the friction costs of the 
reduction drive.   Like my cordless  dewalt drill can
still drive a screw in on low, after it stalled out on
 high, (because the battery is weak). More tork on low
speed.

After trying to follow the Horse power/ Tork / Gear
reduction ... I am leaning more and more towards
buying that... For a couple of reasons.  A slower
turning prop, even if it has a more agressive pitch so
it  takes a bigger bite of the air should be enough
more efficient to  compensate for lost friction in the
reduction drive.  2nd.. reason is that the VW crank
failures, and  the corvair crank failures that I have
read about in FAA accident reports, IMHO make the prop
 vibration stability gear reduction  worthwhile. 

This Spring,  I bought a set of KR2S Plans.. then 
I bought a partially completed KR2 (original plans) 
back in April that I intend to get flying.  It came
with a Great Planes VW motor mount. but the prior
owner had a corvair engine lined up that I bought
also.  

Fly in the ointment was when  my local A & P / EAA guy
that I spoke with told me not to screw around ... just
get a "real airplane engine" ... 100 horse or better 
Continental and go from there.


32 years ago in college,  I had an original "first
run"  set of KR1 plans  that Ken said he got flying
for $500, including engine, gages,  everything.  

Dann Johnson
Thompson, Iowa

P.S.  After finding this list... for about 5 months I
have been mostly lurking.  

KR> Re: Gear reduction / Tork Digest, Vol 347, Issue 382

[Dann Johnson]

Ron,

Actually, The more I read, the more I am  "sold" on
the TT-2000 and the TT-2200 with the reduction drive. 
The big selling point for me is less chance of a crank
failure/ more efficent prop.  Will the tt-2000 fit my
Great planes motor mount?  What are the listed prices?

Dann Johnson,
Thompson, Iowa

PS.

http://www.homebuilt-aviation.com/components.htm

The point that Scott was making about the Type I VW ?
HMMM : 
It looks to me like the web page below says Type I .  

http://usa.vw-engines.com/
 Cut and paste from that web page.
" PSRU Drive
"Texas Twister 1800"
This engine based on the type 1 VW engine produces an
incredible 200ft lb + Torque and with 85 Horsepower
driven through our Helical Gear Drive will surely give
your Aircraft what it needs up front.
Double Angular contact Thrust Races ensure Propeller
Forces are adequately isolated from the crankshaft
Oil Cooler Included with every Engine.
Factory Tested on 100 LL prior to shipment.
Weight 85 kg"


--- krnet-requ...@mylist.net wrote:
Scott, 

Ron Slender asked me to post this regarding the
wording on his web page.

Scott,

Looking at the article written on our web site it does
say type 4  not type 1 as mentioned by yourself. (Type
1V  shown as roman numerals )
We say in that article that 100 hp and 200 ft lb + of
torque is what you need up front. If it were wrong I
would change it but it isn`t.

The KR was designed for a 60 hp vw direct drive
engine.
The aircraft now is being fitted with nearly twice
capacity engines of various manufacturers and yet the
prop diameters are restricted to the original design
of undercarriage.

Why
Those that do increase prop diameter end up with a
more efficient  airplane. It is then a matter of
matching performance with diameter and pitch.

There is no advantage using our 100 hp gear drive
engine in a KR unless you can swing a 60 inch diameter
prop.The advantages then would be a much shorter take
off run, most likely significantly better climb out
and probably a more economical cruise mode due to
higher prop efficiency attained by being able to use a
more efficient diameter propeller.

Gear driving an engine optimises a unique condition
allowing  the engine to reach maximum power and yet
deliver more efficient propeller rpm.
It gets better too,  NO prop forces acting directly to
a crankshaft, no thrust forces acting on the
crankshaft in unison to prop and power loading and an
engine that is designed to run at an rpm range as
accustomed as were in a car.

Individual aircraft operation is what the pilot
enjoys. Most who own one want optimum cruise against
fuel economy and the cruise is set accordingly. 
Those that want to light up the sky  can do that too.
An RG TT 2200 EFI running a 60 X 70 inch pitch prop
would most likely do that too in a KR2.

Ron  Slender

---

Phil Matheson

KR> KR Down

[Dann Johnson]

Reading the FAA KR accident reports over past 5 years, it almost all went down 
to engine failures. The good news looked to be that mostly the pilots walked 
away with minor injuries.   Motor mounts on  my KR2 are currently for Great 
Planes VW, which sounded good to me before getting the corvair.   

Does anyone have statitics on how many KR2 / or perhaps other experimental 
craft that generally use VW, like the  Sonerai that are flying with VW / or 
Covair vs "rea" airplane engines like Continental.  

Dann Johnson

- Original Message -
From: "Brian Kraut" <brian.kr...@engalt.com>
To: KRnet <kr...@mylist.net>
Subject: RE: KR> KR Down
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 22:39:11 -0400

> 
> Good to hear he is doing O.K.  Bob and Steve are not on KRNet, but they are
> good people and regulars at Sun and Fun.
> 
> Brian Kraut
> Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
> www.engalt.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt@mylist.net
> [mailto:krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt@mylist.net]On Behalf Of
> Mark Langford
> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 3:07 PM
> To: KRnet
> Subject: Re: KR> KR Down
> 
> 
> Jim Faughn wrote:
> 
> > I was on the FAA web site checking it out for the first time and found a
> > KR went down in Vienna GA. The registration number was 1701L and it
> > showed an engine failure. Does anyone know what happened?
> 
> Yep, Bob Lester.  I heard from Steve Makish and William Wynne today, and the
> bottom line is that his engine was running rough so he put it down on a farm
> road.  He hit pretty hard and broke both gear legs, spars, and has little
> left but a fuselage.  Bill Clapp and Glenda helped him load it up and are
> hauling it back to FL now.  Bob did a little time in the hospital with a
> broken vertebra, but it out now, and riding down with Bill and Glenda.  No
> word yet on the exact engine problem.
> 
> My guess is that he will be back flying that plane sooner than we think,
> knowing Bob...
> 
> Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama
> see homebuilt airplane at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford
> email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net
> 
> 
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KR> udate- fire control/ Larry

[Dann Johnson]

Larry,

Speaking of Fire Control on Mother's Day... so you really think that if I make 
a run for the airport and am gone all day.. that will be seen as a gift for my 
bride of 30 years.. 

Maybe you have a point...

Dann

- Original Message -
From: "larry flesner" 
To: KRnet 
Subject: KR> udate- fire control
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 20:29:58 -0500

> 
> 
> 
> 
> I've spent some time this week repairing the fire damage to my
> cowl.  I laid the bottom cowl bottom side up and laid plastic
> over the damaged area plus a bit extra.  I then laid up three
> layers of glass over the plastic.  I marked the damaged area
> to be cut out, overlaid the new cured glass and marked out
> an area approx one inch larger.  I then cut out the damaged
> area, trimmed the new glass and epoxy/floxed it in place.
> This afternoon I mixed some epoxy/micro, feathered the edges
> and laid one layer of deck cloth over the patch.  I'll sand off
> the edges in the morning, mount the cowl and go flying.  I'll
> worry about the primer and paint later when I re-do my left
> wing and wheel covers.
> 
> I've finished rebuilding/painting the 500X5 wheels and brakes
> and have new lower attach fittings built and painted.  I hope
> to get them mounted in the next few weeks.  I haven't drilled
> the fittings for the gear leg attach yet as I hope to do a toe-in,
> toe-out adjustment when I mount them.  I recently purched a
> cheap laser level and will use that to set them at zero toe-in.
> The 500X5 tires are the same diameter as my 600X6's (13 inches)
> but they only look half as wide.  Now I need to bite the bullet and
> order a set of the new RV pants.  My friends flying Mooneys
> will have to run an extra inch or two manifold pressure to stay
> with me when I get them mounted.  :-)
> 
> Don't forget to get out of the house tomorrow by going to the
> airport so your kids Mother can have a day of peace and
> quiet. :-)
> 
> Larry Flesner
> 
> 
> 
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KR> wing gap seals/covers/Keith Crawford

[Dann Johnson]

Keith,

Enjoyed look your site..  Looked at your url links... is this a KR2 ???

http://www.u-r-on.net/gallery/Airplane/DSCN3758

Dann

- Original Message -
From: "Mark Jones" 
To: KRnet 
Subject: Re: KR> wing gap seals/covers
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 22:29:01 -0500

> 
> Try Lowes. Home Depot may carry the white down there. Home Depot also has
> plain non painted aluminum flashing.
> 
> Mark Jones (N886MJ)
> Wales, WI  USA
> E-mail me at flyk...@wi.rr.com
> Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at
> http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Martha Crawford" 
> To: "KRnet" 
> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 10:23 PM
> Subject: Re: KR> wing gap seals/covers
> 
> 
> > Hi all
> >
> > Roof flashing from Menards is a grate idea but Menards has not made it
> > to Alabama yet.
> > Menards stores are only in the midwest for now!
> >
> >
> > any ways
> >
> > I drilled one end of my sub spar today.
> > that little U shaped jig works GRATE.
> > I put the new spar pitchers on my web site for all to see.
> >
> >
> > Keith Crawford
> > www.u-r-on.net/gallery/kr
> > mar...@simerson.net
> >
> >
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> 
> 
> 
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KR> internet friend or foe

[Dann Johnson]

Don has a good point.  When I was a college student traveling in Mexico, my=
 Spanish teacher had warned me that I should  always ask directions from 3 =
different (sets of ) people.  He warned me that, "one seldom gets the same =
directions, 3 times in a row".  However, if you get 2 sets of people tellin=
g you the same thing, the directions are usually  safe to follow.=20

Beginning with the GOOGLE internet search engine , a couple of months ago, =
I was able to find and join a local EAA chapter. I made my first EAA chapte=
r meeting in April, after missing the March meeting by a couple hours...  (=
 the time posted on the web page was wrong.. the chapter  now meets  at 1:3=
0 PM rather than 4 PM).=20=20=20

The internet has helped give me the confidence to finally act on my dream. =
 I started flying when I was 16 and have held a private pilot's lic since I=
 was 17.  The realities of raising a large family has contributed to keepin=
g me out of the air most of the last 30 years.  With a CFI on board,  I ren=
ted a Cessna 172 and went flying last Saturday. How I love flying!

I was a member of the national EAA back in the 1980s, and took my wife and =
children with me on several pilgramiges to Oshkosh to oogle  KR2 (s).  More=
 than 30 years ago..  circa 1974,   a college buddy and I got a set of KR1 =
plans, so I have been lurking around the dreamy KR fringes for a long time.=
   In the early 1990s I hung around the garage of a pilot friend who was tr=
ying to complete a KR2 that he had purchased in boat stage.=20=20=20

Now I hope to do similar, when I can get it hauled home to my garage.   My =
wife says that it can't occupy our  garage before #3 son's High School  Gra=
duation on May 22... .=20
=20=20
I wonder, what is a good estimate of numbers of flying KR1, KR2, and KR2S. =
   Reading the  online FAA accident reports, it looked like the majority of=
 the KR crashes are due to engine failure during takeoff.  ( Now, I am defi=
nately leaning to a duel ignition system ).

Dann Johnson
Thompson, Iowa

=20=20


- Original Message -
From: "Doug Rupert" <drup...@sympatico.ca>
To: "'KRnet'" <kr...@mylist.net>
Subject: RE: KR> internet friend or foe
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 23:16:47 -0400

>=20
>   Good point Don. I for one appreciate any and all comments as anyone
> who hangs around here for long ends up broadening their horizons as well =
as
> education. Anyone that takes one comment that is not substantiated as gos=
pel
> is well on the way to destruction. 


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KR> Anyone interested in a 95% finished KRS

[Dann Johnson]

Bob,

Ditto.

Dann Johnson


- Original Message -
From: "Frank Tomko" <ezfl...@charter.net>
To: KRnet <kr...@mylist.net>
Subject: Re: KR> Anyone interested in a 95% finished KRS
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 15:31:09 -0700

> 
> Send me info on the one in the 83 years young garage, Frank
> ezfl...@charter.net
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Bob Jeppesen" <a...@centraliowacil.com>
> To: <kr...@mylist.net>
> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 8:48 AM
> Subject: KR> Anyone interested in a 95% finished KRS
> 
> 
> > I have a gentleman who is 83 years young that has a 95% finished KR2S
> > project in his garage and wishes to get rid of it.  It has a more than
> > complete instrument panel including radio and VOR, and a Revmaster 2100
> > turbo.  Let me know.
> >
> >
> >
> > Bob Jeppesen
> >
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