KR> Propellers

[Tinyauto at aol.com]

Gene Smith of Valley Engineering Obituary.

http://www.nullandsonfuneralhome.com/obituary/david-eugene-gene-smith

KR> 2Si 2-stroke engine

[Tinyauto at aol.com]

I think the real problem with a 2si engines is parts availability.   They 
are not supposed to be used on man carrying craft, though we all know they  
are.  If someone insists on an inline 3 cylinder 2 stroke for aircraft,  then 
Hirth has a couple that put out a lot of power.  Stillnot the best  
engine for a KR for the reasons Oscar mentioned.

Kevin Golden
Harrisonville, MO.



In a message dated 12/10/2016 9:08:53 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
krnet at list.krnet.org writes:

Oscar
Thanks for the background on this engine?   jw

> On Dec 9, 2016, at 17:09, Oscar Zuniga via KRnet   
wrote:
> 
> Don;
> 
>  
> The 3-cylinder 2Si 2-stroke was the featured engine for the  "Lightning 
Bug" composite 1-place homebuilt.  A zippy little plane, you  can Google it, 
but the problem is that the 2-strokes are quite a bit lighter  than any of 
the 4-strokes that are typically employed on KRs so it would  require a 
longer engine mount and cowling for W  Probably not as  exaggerated as Mike 
Ladigo's turbine engine powered KR, but longer than a VW  or Corvair mount.
> 
> 
> Oscar Zuniga
> 
>  Medford, OR
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KR> She's legal.

[Tinyauto at aol.com]

The first flight should be an almost non-event.   Make sure your  
comfortable to go.   Maybe get some dual in a hotter home built.   Relax and be 
safe.

Kevin Golden
Streak Shadow.




In a message dated 9/1/2016 7:07:14 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
krnet at list.krnet.org writes:

OK Guys,  She passed with flying colors. After the FAA left I spent the 
rest of the day  getting comfortable with her and after the rain showers were 
over, did a  little taxi testing. Was able to get the tail wheel up without 
scaring myself  to bad. Now I've just got to grow a bigger pair. You see, 
when you fly a lot  of hours in a Cessna, You don't need them much so they 
shrink a  little.


Mike Sylvester
kr2s  builder
Birmingham,AL.

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KR> Fwd: KR2 for sale

[Tinyauto at aol.com]

You bet Dennis.  I have talked to you a few times at the Lees Summit  model 
airplane meet under the pyramid.  Hope the Hummel plane is doing  well.

Kevin Golden
Harrisonville, MO


In a message dated 8/6/2016 8:40:21 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
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Hi Kevin  You are very right But I  just got a call and got it sold. 
Thanks Dennis 


Sent from  my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device

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Cc: Tinyauto at aol.com  
Subject: Re: KR> Fwd: KR2 for sale 

No Mark.  Liberty  Landing is NE of Kansas City.  It is SE of  LIberty, MO. 

A  small gravel strip where the Dawn Patrol flies with their  WWI 
Nieuports.  
Its a very active "homebuilders" airport.

Kevin  Golden
Harrisonville, MO




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krnet at list.krnet.org  writes:

BTW,  "Liberty Landing" is in Missouri, southwest of  Kansas City.  See  
http://www.airnav.com/airport/4MO4 .  I  should have mentioned that in  
the previous email.

Mark   Langford
ML at N56ML.com
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KR> Fwd: KR2 for sale

[Tinyauto at aol.com]

No Mark.  Liberty Landing is NE of Kansas City.  It is SE of  LIberty, MO.  
A small gravel strip where the Dawn Patrol flies with their  WWI Nieuports. 
 Its a very active "homebuilders" airport.

Kevin Golden
Harrisonville, MO




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BTW,  "Liberty Landing" is in Missouri, southwest of Kansas City.  See  
http://www.airnav.com/airport/4MO4 .  I should have mentioned that in  
the previous email.

Mark  Langford
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KR> Oshkosh!

[Tinyauto at aol.com]

Good for you!  Safe happy travels.

Kevin Golden
Harrisonville, MO




In a message dated 7/20/2016 12:15:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
krnet at list.krnet.org writes:

Hi  All,

In a special effort honor my son Cedric?s desire to catch Mark?s  Forum 
(and a few other events ;-), we are ignoring pressing work disasters,  
dropping all, and flying off to Oshkosh Sunday!  Weather permitting,  we?ll be 
leaving ~5:30am and arriving OSH about 3 to 4pm local - look for us  in N8263V. 

I?ll be bringing three Young Eagles, including two gals  (Grace and Sarah) 
that won scholarships to the OSH Air Academy Camp.  

We?ll be camping at in the North 40 near the B2OSH group and  tent.

I look forward to meeting and making new  friends.

Cheers!
Owen Hughes, 

Text, call or email to  meet:
eonbio at gmail.com ,  530.761.8293
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KR> KR for sale

[Tinyauto at aol.com]

Not mine.  Listed on local craigslist in KC, MO

https://kansascity.craigslist.org/for/5638850968.html

KR> Fuselage sides vertical?

[Tinyauto at aol.com]

RV6 not even close to a KR.  Hand a VW 2100cc engine on an RV and see  how 
it performs.

Kevin Golden
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In a message dated 5/31/2016 9:25:11 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
krnet at list.krnet.org writes:

I'm  waiting to see an all aluminum KR-2. Oh yeah, it's already out. The 
RV6. My  bad
Dan 
Portland

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 31,  2016, at 6:47 PM, brian.kraut--- via KRnet 
  wrote:
> 
> What happened to "build it to the plans" Virg?
>  
> 
>  Original Message 
> Subject: Re:  KR> Fuselage sides vertical?
> From: "Virgil N. Salisbury via KRnet"  
> Date: Tue, May 31, 2016 1:25 pm
>  To: KRnet 
> Cc: "Virgil N. Salisbury"  
> 
> Vertical sides mean no banana  boat. Good deal, Virg
> 
>> On 5/31/2016 3:01 PM, Gary via  KRnet wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I am planning to widen the  KR2S fuselage 4" with widest point at the 
shoulders. Any known gotchas if I  also make the sides vertical instead of an 
inward taper at the bottom? Unable  to get to the archives for a day or two.
>> Thanks
>>  
>> Gary Wold
>> 
>>  Original message  
>> From: Global Solutions via KRnet  
>> Date: 05/30/2016 7:49 PM  (GMT-06:00)
>> To: KRnet 
>> Cc:  Global Solutions 
>> Subject: KR>  composite vacuum bagging?
>> 
>> What do you consider the  best book on vacuum bagging setups for dyi?
>> 
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KR> Can this plane be fixed?

[Tinyauto at aol.com]

Funny.

Kevin Golden
Harrisonville, MO





In a message dated 2/21/2016 6:04:08 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
krnet at list.krnet.org writes:

The  whole top half has come apart from the bottom.  It appears to  have
just fallen off.  It's just lying there on the ground next to the  plane. 
Tornado?  Vandalism?  A real mystery.  

The  plane says "Experimental" on it so clearly the builder was
experimenting  with something to keep the top half of the plane connected
to the bottom  half and it must not have worked very well.   Seems to have
just  fallen off!  I think a tornado would have carried it some distance.  


The builder did a very nice paint job.  Very consistent and  businesslike.
Clearly the builder had a professional painter do the  work.   No swirley
stuff.   

I think there's  some good ideas incorporated into this experimental
design but clearly it  needs some reliable way to keep the top half
attached to the  bottom.

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KR> Manifold vacuum

[tinyauto at aol.com]

Looks like VW/Audi and Volvo had there pumps also.  Not all are what I could 
call cheap.  Quick look at ebay has new piston pump style ones at $200-$300ish 
and the rotary style European car style ones are used for $25-$75ish.  I don't 
know what the specs are on each of these, but interesting to know such a device 
exists.

Kevin Golden
Streak Shadow, etc.
Harrisonville, MO



-Original Message-
From: david via KRnet 
To: KRnet 
Cc: david 
Sent: Mon, Jan 25, 2016 10:54 am
Subject: Re: KR> Manifold vacuum

The electric vacuum pumps (for the brakes) from the mid-90's 'Vettes are
about the best out there.  I put one on my Mustang II.  Very durable. 
Not too expensive.

David M.




On 01/25/2016 10:41 AM, Dave Acklam via KRnet wrote:
> Use 12v vac pump??
>
> Manifold pressure isn't a constant enough source
> On Jan 25, 2016 4:35 AM, "S via KRnet"  wrote:
>
>>> It was a very long time ago.  The engine was a Type 1 VW, and the carb
>> was
>>> probably a POSA.  If there was any mixture control, it had to be manual.
>>>
>> Thank you Dan !
>> I got a full set of vaccum instruments from a very friendly aircraft
>> mechanic and I am exploring the best way to supply them, preferably without
>> the use of draggy and icing-prone external venturi.
>> I may try to use some sort of combined manifold vacuum/exhaust venturi to
>> create enough vacuum in all flight conditions.
>>
>> Stefan
>> s_sbal "at" hotmail.com
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KR> Flywheel Drive for a VW?

[tinyauto at aol.com]

Steve Wittman had flywheel drive VW drives for the V Witt aircraft.  They just 
sold a complete V Witt needing restored with a flywheel drive engine with the 
long snout like his engines had for $200 at an auction.  Also, they sold a 
Wayne Ison PDQ mostly built for $100no engine.  My place is full of 
airplanes or I would have bought them all.   

Kevin Golden
Harrisonville, MO
Tinyauto at aol.com

KR> Steve Bennett

[Tinyauto at aol.com]

When selling items at Oshkosh in the fly market, I saw Steve and was  
shocked at how much he had gone down hill.  I always enjoyed learning from  
Steve.  He will be missed.

Kevin Golden
Harrisonville, MO




In a message dated 10/28/2015 2:19:22 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
krnet at list.krnet.org writes:

I'm  sorry to pass on the news from Ken Cottle, via Marty Roberts, that
Steve  Bennett passed away last Saturday.  Steve was a major,  original,
structural component in our world of KR's and engines and has a  prominent
place alongside the other originators who shaped this world we  live and
play in.  He did good work.  He's touched all of our  lives in one way or
another and I'm truly sorry he's no longer with  us.  I will treasure my
memories in having known  him.

Mike
KSEE



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KR> Wrecked KR2 in Des Moines IA

[Tinyauto at aol.com]

Won't even make a good weenie roast.  Burning fiberglass will get on  
everything.  

Trike gear parts... Carburetorwingspanelairframe parts  like 
wings, elevator, etc.  

Kevin Golden





In a message dated 6/22/2015 8:42:00 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
krnet at list.krnet.org writes:



Looks like very sudden stoppage based on the  image in picture 24 where one 
full side of the propeller broke off.  Could it be worth it for the 
equipment in the  panel?
Joe


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Date: 06/21/2015  8:46 AM   (GMT-06:00) 
To: krnet at list.krnet.org 
Cc: Tinyauto at aol.com 
Subject:  KR> Wrecked KR2 in Des Moines IA 

Not my airplane...I know nothing  about it... Just passing on the   info..

http://desmoines.craigslist.org/for/5052761019.html

I did  a search on the N number and it has been written off as destroyed   
some time ago.  This looks like a deal even if you threw the  airframe  
away!

Kevin Golden
Harrisonville, MO
Too many  projects to consider this  one.
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KR> Wide Open Throttle (WOT) Spring

[Tinyauto at aol.com]

Grumman Tr2s have a WOT spring on them and thank goodness they do.   Years 
ago, shortly after coming out of an annual inspection that included  a carb 
rebuild the throttle push/pull came unhooked due to the nut falling  off of 
the swivel.  The throttle went wide open and allowed me to go to my  home 
airport.  Once I knew the field was made, I pulled mixture and  landed.  If it 
didn't have a spring on it, I would have had to land  somewhere in the 
weeds.  I never took my airplane back to that  mechanic.

The Throttle on 2 strokes almost exclusively have the throttle slide to go  
closed if the throttle breaks.  I don't like that, but that is the way it  
is by design.  

Maybe install a lighter spring as it shouldn't take much at all to bias to  
WOT.  The one on the Marvel Schebler carb is a big round spring surrounding 
 the throttle shaft and twists to open.

Kevin Golden
Harrisonville, MO




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krnet at list.krnet.org writes:

I have a  Zenith carburetor on my 2180 VW.  I installed a WOT spring on the 

throttle plate shaft that would open the throttle in  case the the  
throttle 
control linkage disconnected for whatever reason.  The logic  is to have 
the 
engine run full RPM rather than idle for a forced landing  with no throttle 
control.  Engine operation could be managed by  switching the ignition on 
and 
off.  Backfires something terrible when  I do that.
Question:  How often do throttle linkages break?
What  prompts the question is: The WOT spring on my carb is holding the 
throttle  plate a little open so that I cannot get down to 800 RPM idle.  I 

disconnected the spring and everything works OK.

Sid  Wood
Tri-gear KR-2 N6242
Mechanicsville, MD,  USA





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KR> new home

[Tinyauto at aol.com]

Very nice highly modified KR2!  I have not seen a KR2 built to have  the 
wing one piece and removable.  Nice!

Kevin Golden
Harrisonville, MO

KR> UK aircraft grade lumber supplier?

[Tinyauto at aol.com]

I am a member of the LAA out of the UK just because I have a lot of  
interest in British aircraft.  As I understand it, if you make  modifications 
to 
plans built aircraft in the UK, you have to get the ok from  the engineering 
dept within the LAA.  That spar mod might be an  issue.  

While mentioning the LAA...the monthly magazine is very good.  Right  on 
par with the EAA magazine and maybe better in some ways.  The only  thing I 
get little out of is the political/rules that is gone over every  month.  I 
don't care much for USA rules and I sure don't care about the  rules in the 
UK.  Give me the technical stuff and I am happy.  The  magazine is about $90 a 
year.  

Kevin Golden
Harrisonville, MO
Streak Shadow in progress (from the UK)
Hiperlight SNS 9 with Jabiru




In a message dated 3/1/2015 6:03:06 P.M. Central Standard Time,  kr
net at list.krnet.org writes:

Hi  Guys,

I hope UK based builders can get in touch.

I live in the  Isle of Man and I'm looking for spruce and okoume
plywood suppliers in  the northwest of Britain.

I just ordered flat tow bid uni and triax  carbon fiber fabric for my spars.

I hope to be building the fuse as  soon as possible.

Thank you in  advance.

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KR> Fwd: speaking of interesting engines

[Tinyauto at aol.com]

Subj: Re: KR> speaking of interesting engines



That is the engine that is going into the flying car "Samson".   

Kevin Golden
Harrisonville, MO
Streak Shadow 
Hiperlight SNS9




In a message dated 1/21/2015 9:56:22 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
krnet at list.krnet.org writes:

I have  been following these fellows for a few years.  Its gonna need a 
PSRU  but
may be well worth  it.


http://motusmotorcycles.com/american-v4

from their  website.

"The MV4 is offered as a crate engine and may be perfect for  your 
application.
Depending on your needs, Motus can help with specific  vehicle integration 
or
just provide drawings, specs, and support. Tell us  a bit more and we will 
see
how we can best serve  you."

Craig
www.kr2seafury.com
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KR> KR-1 Corvair...

[tinyauto at aol.com]

I thought a neat engine for the KR would be the Yamaha Genesis (Vector 
snowmobile) engine.  120-150 HP in a tiny 4 stroke package.  There is even a 
commercial conversion adapter being made for it now that adapts the Rotax 
gearbox to the engine. I think the running weight is somewhere around 160 lbs.  
Not sure if that includes radiator. 
Kevin Golden

KR> NVAero KR1 fuselage kit?

[Tinyauto at aol.com]

I like making things myself.  The KR airplane is so simple that I  don't 
think you need any parts that are prefab.  I certainly wouldn't buy  the skins 
as the new KR airfoil would be faster anyway.  Landing  gear is easy to 
make.  Wheels and brakes...maybe Tracy Obrien or find  someone who has some to 
sell. Canopy can be made yourself or a canopy from  something else cut to 
fit or even made by a custom canopy builder.  Wing  attach fittings.I have 
drill press.  I am sure Ken Rand never had  someone build these parts for 
the prototype.  Control sticksuper easy  parts to make.  The beauty of a 
KR is like Burger King..have it your  way.  No two KRs should look alike 
and for the most part they  don't.  Custom built aircraft and the minds 
that build them are  beautiful.

Kevin Golden





In a message dated 1/14/2015 1:43:19 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
krnet at list.krnet.org writes:

I looked  over the very nice nvaero site. It appears that there is not a 
fuselage wood  or fiberglass kit for the KR1. (not popular?) so I guess that 
means plans  build.
It is great that the wing skins, landing gear/wheels/brakes, canopy,  wing 
attach fittings, control stick, are avail.
What about the control  surface hardware and rigging? I'm guessing whats 
not compatible (if anything)  from the KR2 would be off the shelf at aircraft 
spruce.
In fact, if we  didnt have nvaero, I wonder if the entire plane could be 
plans built? (would  have to solve the canopy problem, and fabricate landing 
gear).
Also, one  wonders WHY do the plans "may have extended lead times" 
nvaero is  GREAT to have though   :)   
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KR> KR-2S cabin width

[tinyauto at aol.com]

  ALL KR's are KR1's.  Unless you and your "fly buddy" are anorexic midgets, 
your not going to fit.  That is a common issue with airplanes.  I do learn a 
lot from this group about aircraft construction and that is why I am here.

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Streak Shadow (2 seater tandem, but tight)
Hiperlight SNS9 (2 seater, but tight side by side)
and plans for a KR1





-Original Message-
From: Mark Langford via KRnet 
To: 'KRnet' 
Sent: Wed, Jan 7, 2015 7:08 am
Subject: Re: KR> KR-2S cabin width


Just to clear up a common misconception, the KR2S is exactly the same width
n the cockpit as the KR2, no wider.  The one thing that begged to be
hanged was left untouched!  I asked Jeannette why shortly after it was
ntroduced and she said it was so the KR2S could use the same premolded
arts as the KR2.  Go figure. 
Now you know why people modify these things...it simply must be modified to
eet certain criteria, and the criteria for most folks that are building a
wo-seater plane is that it be able to seat two people...
Mark Langford, Harvest, AL
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ww.N56ML.com 

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KR> Conduit

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Google "flexible automotive conduit" and you can see it.  I think it comes in 
red, yellow, and black.  You can look at about any car and see the stuff in the 
engine compartment.

Kevin



-Original Message-
From: Dan Heath via KRnet 
To: krnet 
Sent: Mon, Dec 29, 2014 7:38 am
Subject: Re: KR> Conduit


I am not familiar with that.  Where do you get it and what is the Part # or 
ctual name of it?

hanks,
On Monday, December 29, 2014 6:18 AM, tinyauto--- via KRnet  
rote: 
=
he regular black flex conduit is light weight and comes in several different 
izes.


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KR> Conduit

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I have the same issue.  What I am looking for needs to be fairly rigid and was 
considering PVC tube, but if you just want something flexible the regular black 
flex conduit is light weight and comes in several different sizes.  I think 
down to 1/4".



-Original Message-
From: Graeme Hart via KRnet 
To: Dan Heath ; KRnet 
Sent: Mon, Dec 29, 2014 5:07 am
Subject: Re: KR> Conduit


How about pipe for irrigation systems?  Some of the pipe we have here
s very thin.  I think size is 12mm - 1/2 inch.  Also comes in 19mm.
On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 11:38 PM, Dan Heath via KRnet
krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote:
 Looking for something to use for conduit.  I think that I saw a very light,
 thin wall, plastic tubing at one time, but cannot find it anywhere.  I want
 to use it for conduit to run wires to the back of the plane.  I could use
 Nylaflow, but it is fairly heavy and overkill for this function.





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KR> Newsletters 168-214

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Thanks Mark and to all those involved in making this available!  Though I will 
probably never build a KR, the knowledge in these newsletters apply to other 
builds.  

Kevin Golden
Harrisonville, MO




-Original Message-
From: Mark Langford via KRnet 
To: KRnet 
Sent: Tue, Oct 7, 2014 9:10 pm
Subject: KR> Newsletters 168-214


More KR Newsletters are now posted at http://www.krnet.org/newsletter/ , 
ssues 168-214, at the bottom of the list.  Many thanks to several folks 
ho contributed their pristine copies of the newsletters for this 
ffort.  There are more to come, but meantime, you've got a lot of 
eading to do!   I've come to realize that many of "my" great ideas 
ctually came out of these newsletters over the years, and I missed a 
ot of gems in there!  These are a great resource of lessons learned, 
mproved methods, performance reports, and generally good info regarding 
very aspect of KR building and flying.  Please take advantage of them...
-- 
Mark Langford
L at N56ML.com
ttp://www.n56ml.com

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KR> Parabeam 3D fabric

[Tinyauto at aol.com]

Just below the picture of the Parabeam fabric, I meant to say "Resin" not  
"Glass".

Kevin Golden




In a message dated 2/10/2014 10:47:49 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
Tinyauto at aol.com writes:

Interesting stuff.

According to a Chinese manufacturer, they  can make this stuff in carbon  
fiber.  The only other  manufacture I have found is in the  Netherlands.   
http://www.parabeam.nl/

One question I have with this product is  how do you keep the space between 

the two fabrics from saturating  completely full of resin?  If it did this, 

it would be very  heavy.  The Chinese site says it is possible to use pour  
foam  to fill those voids in the Parabeam glass, but that isn't the normal  

use.  Here is a photo of the glass from the  side:
http://www.nauticexpo.com/prod/parabeam-bv/fiberglass-fabrics-3d-26847-18898
8.html
I  think what is intended is just enough glass to fill those vertical   
looping weaves but it sure does seam to me it would easily puddle inside  
and  
cause the product to be very heavy.  Any ideas on  this?  

Also, from what I have read it will not do sharp corners  well.  Long  
gradual curves are no problem, but I would guess  the issue is the inner 
fabric  
would buckle if trying to lay it into  a sharp curved area of a female  
mold.  
Guessing here that the  thin stuff would do a sharper radius than the  
thick 
stuff.   Looks like there should be a chart somewhere to use as a  
guideline  
for this problem and there may be  

Though I am not  building a KR, this group always talk about the most  
interesting  things and that is why I continue to read the  daily postings. 
  Thank 
You!

Kevin Golden
Harrisonville, MO
Streak  Shadow




In a message dated 2/10/2014 8:24:43 A.M. Central  Standard Time,  
brian.kraut at eamanufacturing.com writes:

I  was  wondering why they seem to have never done it in carbon  fiber
also.   Might just not be able to weave it correctly and  get the  spring
back.

So far I found some large rolls on Ebay  that work out  to about $18/yard,
but it is the 1/2" thick stuff that  is probably too  thick for anything I
would want to do with it.   Sounds high, but when  compared with multiple
layers of glass and a  core material it might not be  that bad.

They make it from 3mm to  22mm thick.  I would think the  3mm would be
best for something  like a cowl or wheel pants and something in  the 1/4"
range would be  good for something like wing skins.

I sent a  request on the web  site for some samples and more info.  I will
let  you know what I  find out.

Sam said that he does not know of anyone else  using  it.  I would think
that it would have limited use for   homebuilders except when used in a
mold.

 Original  Message  
Subject: Re: KR> Parabeam 3D fabric
From:  "Mark Langford"  
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Sun, February 09, 2014  8:45 pm
To: "KRnet"  

Brian Kraut  wrote:

> Supposedly  the resin goes to the outside layers and  leaves an air space
> in the  middle so it winds up like a foam or  Nomex core material that is
> light  and very strong.

Mark  Lougheed and I looked at Parabeam back in the  90's, and it was  
impressively strong but lightweight, but also very  expensive. Let  me
know 
when you find a price. I haven't heard anything  about it  lately (it was
new 
back then), so I figured it's been  displaced  by carbon fiber on Nomex,
but 
it probably has a niche with   homebuilders...

Mark Langford
ML at N56ML.com
website at   http://www.N56ML.com



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[Tinyauto at aol.com]

Interesting stuff.

According to a Chinese manufacturer, they can make this stuff in carbon  
fiber.  The only other manufacture I have found is in the  Netherlands.  
http://www.parabeam.nl/

One question I have with this product is how do you keep the space between  
the two fabrics from saturating completely full of resin?  If it did this,  
it would be very heavy.  The Chinese site says it is possible to use pour  
foam to fill those voids in the Parabeam glass, but that isn't the normal  
use.  Here is a photo of the glass from the side:
http://www.nauticexpo.com/prod/parabeam-bv/fiberglass-fabrics-3d-26847-18898
8.html
I think what is intended is just enough glass to fill those vertical  
looping weaves but it sure does seam to me it would easily puddle inside and  
cause the product to be very heavy.  Any ideas on this?  

Also, from what I have read it will not do sharp corners well.  Long  
gradual curves are no problem, but I would guess the issue is the inner fabric  
would buckle if trying to lay it into a sharp curved area of a female  mold.  
Guessing here that the thin stuff would do a sharper radius than the  thick 
stuff.  Looks like there should be a chart somewhere to use as a  guideline 
for this problem and there may be  

Though I am not building a KR, this group always talk about the most  
interesting things and that is why I continue to read the  daily postings.  
Thank 
You!

Kevin Golden
Harrisonville, MO
Streak Shadow




 In a message dated 2/10/2014 8:24:43 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
brian.kraut at eamanufacturing.com writes:

I was  wondering why they seem to have never done it in carbon fiber
also.   Might just not be able to weave it correctly and get the  spring
back.

So far I found some large rolls on Ebay that work out  to about $18/yard,
but it is the 1/2" thick stuff that is probably too  thick for anything I
would want to do with it.  Sounds high, but when  compared with multiple
layers of glass and a core material it might not be  that bad.

They make it from 3mm to 22mm thick.  I would think the  3mm would be
best for something like a cowl or wheel pants and something in  the 1/4"
range would be good for something like wing skins.

I sent a  request on the web site for some samples and more info.  I will
let  you know what I find out.

Sam said that he does not know of anyone else  using it.  I would think
that it would have limited use for  homebuilders except when used in a
mold.

 Original Message  
Subject: Re: KR> Parabeam 3D fabric
From: "Mark Langford"  
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Sun, February 09, 2014 8:45 pm
To: "KRnet"  

Brian Kraut wrote:

> Supposedly  the resin goes to the outside layers and leaves an air space
> in the  middle so it winds up like a foam or Nomex core material that is
> light  and very strong.

Mark Lougheed and I looked at Parabeam back in the  90's, and it was 
impressively strong but lightweight, but also very  expensive. Let me
know 
when you find a price. I haven't heard anything  about it lately (it was
new 
back then), so I figured it's been  displaced by carbon fiber on Nomex,
but 
it probably has a niche with  homebuilders...

Mark Langford
ML at N56ML.com
website at  http://www.N56ML.com



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KR> KR group on yahoo

[Tinyauto at aol.com]

Can you give me an "L"?

Kevin Golden
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In a message dated 2/8/2014 6:29:05 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
no1son38 at aol.com writes:


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/krIIairpane

I  started this group on yahoo.comcome post there thanks randy  moore

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KR> Sealers and UV protection

[Tinyauto at aol.com]

Almost hate to chime in as my question isn't KR related, but there has to  
be others like me that find the KR site the most informative out there.   
So...  When sealing wood that fabric will later be glued down to, is there  
anything I should look out for?   I assume I should scuff the  
varnished/poly/epoxy surface where the glue will be applied to help with  
adhesion. 

Thanks
Kevin Golden
Harrisonville, MO
Streak Shadow.





In a message dated 1/1/2014 1:43:07 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
kr2owner at gmail.com writes:

Hello  fellow enthusiasts
This "info" session seems to have  invokef some passionate responses.
Many things  can be used to seal wood adequately from airborn
moisture. There is a UV  additive available in body shop supply (not auto
part ) stores. It is not  cheap but very little is required and the
protection can not be  beat.
So many opinions and ways of doing the job are out  there that we need
to express what we know without discounting others  knowledge unless we know
something is a dangerous practice.
I have been involved with homebuilt aircraft including working with  a
NASA engineer on a glider for iver 30 years but still need ti be open  to
learning.
Live well...fly safe...build  conservatively.
Doran  Jaffas
N 186  RC
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KR> LSA null and void?

[Tinyauto at aol.com]

I guess I am looking at it from my point of view.  That is where I  have a 
full private (no LSA when I went through the whole license thing) and  only 
interested in the medical side.  I don't have an issue with the  medical 
yet, but I am not getting any younger.

Kevin Golden
Harrisonville, MO




In a message dated 12/16/2013 9:21:44 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
dave.a.krnet at gmail.com writes:

No.

It's still cheaper to get a 'Sport Pilot' license (less  hours required) 
than a full Private, but more versatile than the old  'Recreational 
Pilot' that almost no one got because you couldn't do  anything but 
circle your home airport...

On 12/16/2013 6:55 PM,  Tinyauto at aol.com wrote:
> IF the introduced legislation for your 3rd  class medical can be your
> drivers license for aircraft up to 250 knots  and 6000 lb gross weight 
goes
> through, don't that make all this talk  about LSA null and void?
>   
>   
>  
http://www.aopa.org/News-and-Video/All-News/2013/December/11/new-bill-would-expand-drivers-license-medical.aspx?CMP=ADV:1
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Kevin  Golden
> Harrisonville, MO
>   
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[Tinyauto at aol.com]

IF the introduced legislation for your 3rd class medical can be your  
drivers license for aircraft up to 250 knots and 6000 lb gross weight goes  
through, don't that make all this talk about LSA null and void?


http://www.aopa.org/News-and-Video/All-News/2013/December/11/new-bill-would-expand-drivers-license-medical.aspx?CMP=ADV:1









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Harrisonville, MO

KR> Experimental aviation outside the US

[Tinyauto at aol.com]

Mark,
  As always, great posting with this information!  I might ad  that the LAA 
puts out a magazine that is very nearly on par with the EAA  magazine.  I 
am a member of the LAA due to the aircraft I am building  (Streak Shadow) and 
I am always interested in anything that is going on around  the world 
aircraft wise.  I have skimmed over some of the political issues  (gag) 
mentioned 
in the LAA magazine and the only part I can see that has an  advantage is 
the LAA have engineers available to get "improvements"  approved.  I don't 
know what these engineers cost to utilize, but believe  this could be a good 
thing for running ideas past to see if there is a flaw in  the thinking.  As 
I have seen you mention, I have seen some experimental  airplanes that are 
so poorly built or designed that I wouldn't haul them home if  they were just 
down the street and given to me!  Another set of eyes even  if from a local 
EAA chapter is a very good thing.  Constructive criticism  is a good thing 
and we shouldn't be so thin skinned as to not listen.   I must mention I 
have seen experimental aircraft that blow the mind on fit and  finish.  I try 
to work toward this level, but never seem to succeed.

  It is funny we are talking about the British aircraft/magazine as  the 
Taylor Monoplane that the KR was arguably derived from was designed and  built 
in England.  We go full circle.  Check out the LAA.  I  think you will be 
glad you did, though about $90 a year lighter.

Kevin Golden
Harrisonville, MO
"Streak Shadow" and the spin off of it "Wizard"






In a message dated 12/15/2013 2:58:18 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
ml at n56ml.com writes:

Yesterday I wrote:

> As for the extra hinges, I did that  because I made my horizontal 
> stabilizer and rudder are longer, and  later heard that the Aussie 
> government was requiring the same for KR  builders down under.

It's not clear from this sentence, but what I  meant was the Aussie 
government requires more hinges, not longer  horizontal stab or rudder, as 
far as I know.  And like the Brits,  they are less flexible about gross 
weight than the FAA, requiring you to  stick with what's published in the 
plans, unless you can back up your  changes with real engineering drawings. 
The UK is the same way,  "conservative to a fault" to us yanks.

I lived in England for 7 months  in 2009, and while I was there I spent as 
much time as I could with  experimental builders, pilots, Corvair guys, 
designers, and otherwise  like-minded airplanes nuts like us, and the 
recurring theme was that they  were hamstrung almost to the point of 
stifling 
the experimental aircraft  world.

The LAA (Light Aircraft Association, formerly the Popular Flying  
Association) is similar to the EAA,  an organization founded in the  
interest 
of furthering experimental and light aircraft construction and  aviation.  
At 
some point, they assumed the duty of also regulating  that sector of 
aviation 
for the CAA (Civil Aviation Authority), in an  effort to keep the sport 
alive, I'm sure.  My understanding is that  the LAA is between a rock and a 
hard place with the CAA...they have to  maintain high standards and safety 
commensurate with what the CAA would  do, while still trying to further the 
interests of the aviation  community.  But the result is a system that is 
far 
more restrictive  than what we have in the US, requiring far more red tape 
to 
get any kind  of waiver approved.

One could argue that red tape in the form of proof  of safety is not a bad 
thing, but I'm not talking about something as major  as raising the gross 
weight, but far more minor details, such as real  improvements to areas 
like 
control systems or engine details, but  professional engineering drawings 
are 
required to make changes that are  already flight proven in the US.  And as 
we all know, there's never  been a structural failure of a KR in flight 
(despite our gross weight  latitudes)  Many other countries are in a 
similar 
situation, or  worse.

I didn't start this to be a diatribe against the LAA...they are  a great 
organization run by fervent aviators who are doing their best to  keep 
their 
sport alive, while walking a fine line between regulation and  recreation. 
Perhaps my point is that we don't know how good we have it in  the US. 
Having written the above, I asked Mike Mold of England to check my  
thoughts 
on this.  He should know, as he's very involved with the  LAA, and his 
comments are below.  I visited with Mike several times  while there, and 
got 
the grand tour of several air fields, as well as met  some new friends.  We 
still tag up at SNF whenever  possible.
---
That sums up the situation well but I'd  add a caveat that in the last 
month 
we've had some news that has given  rise to some optimism with the 
announcement that our CAA has had a  wide-reaching review and has set up a 
specialist GA department, headed up  by an ex director of the LAA.

And 

KR> Throttle springs

[Tinyauto at aol.com]

The disconnect I had came from the ball joint that goes through the  
throttle arm.  The nut that held that ball on fell off.  I believe it  was 
never 
tightened after the carburetor was rebuilt during the annual  inspection.  I 
was only 15 miles from the airport, but at 2500 feet, that  meant my glide 
wouldn't have made the airport by about 14.5 miles if the  throttle would 
have gone to idle.  I was glad that the certification  process of my airplane 
included a spring to take the throttle to wide  open.  

Kevin Golden



In a message dated 6/21/2013 10:36:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
ml at n56ml.com writes:

http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/wiregrip.php

KR> Zenith Carb Tuning

[Tinyauto at aol.com]

Years ago I took my Grumman TR2 to get it's annual inspection.  The  
carburetor was rebuilt and I flew it about an hour when the throttle arm  came 
unhooked in flight.  If the carburetor had been spring loaded to go to  idle, 
It would have been a very bad thing.  However, the carburetor was  spring 
loaded to go to wide open.  I flew back to the airport,  made sure runway was 
made, and mixture control to cut off.  I was so  thankful that day that the 
carburetor was set up that way.  Now I am  building this Rotax 582 bird that 
has two carburetors with springs set up where  if I have a throttle cable 
failure it will go to idle.  Bad design and the  thought of it makes me 
cringe.  I realize there are a lot of them out there  flying all over the 
place, 
but that design is wrong for aircraft.  Failure  mode should be the safest 
modewide open.

Kevin Golden
Harrisonville, MO
Streak Shadow 




In a message dated 6/20/2013 9:00:46 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
smwood at md.metrocast.net writes:

Finally  got my Zenith carb adjusted on my 2180 VW to consistently and 
reliably  idle at 700 RPM.  I found that the torsion spring between the  
butterfly shaft and the throttle arm was not strong enough to return the  
shaft to the full closed position.  I added another extra tension  spring 
from the bracket on the shaft to the throttle arm.  Playing  with the 
mixture 
control from the cockpit while the throttle is closed, I  can get idle 
speeds 
down to 550 RPM.  Don't want to be there - the  engine still runs, but is 
about to shake the plane to pieces.  700  RPM is much smoother and the 4 
straight Dragon Fly pipes sound  great.  Still have to be careful to slowly 
advance the throttle out  of idle or the engine will cough once and die. 
Above 1000 RPM I can snatch  and punch the throttle any which way and the 
response is quick and  positive.  Yes, I used an electronic tach checker to 
verify the Grand  Rapids tach readout.
I am betting that landing roll outs will be much  shorter now.
Now, on to fixing the high oil temps.

Sid  Wood
Tri-gear KR-2 N6242
Mechanicsville, MD,  USA




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KR> new panel for N891JF

[Tinyauto at aol.com]

Looking good Mark.  I was reading up on the iFly 720 and saw where it  can 
be used for automotive navigation too.  I assume your not interested in  
this feature?  It appears your mounting isn't set up for quick  removal.  Maybe 
it would be best to use a $100 GPS for ground work so this  $700 unit don't 
get damaged.

Kevin Golden
Streak Shadow




In a message dated 4/21/2013 8:39:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
ml at n56ml.com writes:

The new  panel for N891JF is finally coming together.  See  
http://www.n56ml.com/n891jf/panel/panel_trial_fit for a trial fit of the big  
stuff mounted 
and almost ready to wire some stuff.  Details are at  
http://www.n56ml.com/n891jf/panel .  I'm also working to change the  canopy 
from side-hinged to 
front-hinged.  Simple to do, I think.   More to come in the next few weeks, I 
hope.  When I'm done I'll have a  website that details how I did all of 
this stuff...

Mark Langford
ML  at N56ML.com
website at http://www.N56ML.com  


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KR> Aileron cable rigging with tricycle gear

[Tinyauto at aol.com]

I have always heard they have more friction than cables.  One  advantage in 
using these push-pull setups compared to cables is failure in one  side 
could still let the other side work in the ailerons.  The plane I  am building 
uses them on all flight surfaces, but does use a cable on the rudder  to get 
to the rear of the fuselage where the cable picks up.

Kevin Golden
Harrisonville, MO
Streak Shadow






In a message dated 3/18/2013 5:26:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
tking58 at gmail.com writes:

I don't  understand why morse/teleflex/push-pull cables aren't more common
in  aircraft.  I know Jabiru use them, and I've seen them in some  other
aicraft.  I'm planning to use them on my KR.  No doubt  they're a bit
heavier than regular cables, but by the time you include the  fittings and
brackets you don't need (e.g. every time a regular cable goes  round a
bend), and the shorter cable length, the weight difference probably  is
minimal.  Not sure the cost would be significantly different either  by the
time you include all the brackets, pulleys, etc. for regular  cables.  It's
not like they're unproven and it seems to me the time  saving during
build would be significant, which is why I don't understand  why they're not
more popular.

Cheers,

Tony

On 19 March  2013 07:56, Clayton  wrote:

> Has anyone  used morse cables? (I think that is what they are called) like
> the  ones used on boats? They bend easy and don't need pulleys. If you 
have
>  a
> fold up wing, no need to even unhook them.
>
>  -Original Message-
> From: KRnet  [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of jon kimmel
> Sent:  Monday, March 18, 2013 8:03 AM
> To: KRnet
> Subject: KR>  Aileron cable rigging with tricycle gear
>
> Just wondering if  anyone has tried this idea...the diehl tricycle
> installation forces  you to reroute the aileron cable...and most folks
> install a long  bracket so they can install a pulley midway from front to
> rear spar  outboard of the landing gear mount.  Why not install a pulley 
to
>  the front spar inboard of the mount and another pulley to the rear  spar
> just
> forward of the aileron bellcrank?
>
>  https://sites.google.com/site/mykr2stretch/
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