KR> Foam cutting large scale

[Virgil Salisbury]

 Do not hot wire polyurethane. Deadly gasses, Virg


 On 1/2/2011 6:19 PM, Gary Robison wrote:
> Pat try this for a start
>
> http://www.mtixtl.com/diamondwireof028mmdiax65ml215feetforwiresawcutting-dw028x60.aspx
>
> This is about a buck a foot, I have seen it at .25 a foot.
>
> Gary
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Patrick and Robin Russo"
> To: "KRnet"
> Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 8:14 AM
> Subject: Re: KR>  Foam cutting large scale
>
>
>> You've got me thinking here! Is that wire the same that Remington
>> developed
>> for hacksaws some decades back? What is the diameter and where did you
>> locate it? I have several aluminum hot wire frames, 2'Long to 8'Long and
>> the
>> thought of a battery operated bandsaw type frame 6-8 feet long might be
>> fun
>> to play with. This will of course add a year or two to the present plane
>> projects!!!
>> Pat Russo
>> - Original Message ->
>>> Now, why I am here today. I have built many model aircraft wings out of
>>> foam.
>>> Much beyond 4 feet hot wiring will start to sag and become useless.
>>>
>>> I just came across a wire that is rough with a diamond coating. A light
>>> came
>>> on.
>>>
>
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KR> To Turbo or not to Turbo that is the Question

[Virgil Salisbury]

 Ken Rand turboed his KR-2, Virg


 On 1/2/2011 12:46 PM, Jeff Scott wrote:
> Joe, You have to know that you aren't the first to go down this path.  I 
> would suggest that you take a good look at Orma Robbins web 
> site, then do a search in the KRNet 
> Archives for Orma's comments and problems with regards to his turbo 
> installation on his Type 4 engine.  Orma is a long time A/IA, so is far 
> from new at this, but I think eventually, he found that the problems with the 
> turbo on the type 4 were much more than he wanted to deal with.  Your mileage 
> may vary, but you may learn the most by looking at the history and failures 
> of one that has been down that road before. -Jeff ScottN1213W  -- 
> Original Message --
>
>
>

KR> fuel site gauge

[Virgil Salisbury]

 Tygon comes in Clear. Paint a White strip behind your tube, and Red 
diagonal stripes
 over it behind the tube. The fuel will reverse the stripes and the 
quantity easily
 see, Virg

 On 1/8/2011 11:41 AM, airgu...@comcast.net wrote:
> I have been using a short length of Tygon placed vertically on the instrument 
> panel

> for my fuel gauge. The Tygon is yellow (comes that way) and it makes it 
> difficult to

>   see the height of the gas. Any ideas for a clear substitute? I tested some 
> vynal but it "hardens" if left in avgas.
>
> Paul OReilly
> KR2 Stretched
> N7970K
> Derry, NH
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KR> repairing skin damagge

[Virgil Salisbury]

 Rebuild as per the plans. YOU DID GET THE PLANS ? Virg



 On 1/8/2011 2:22 AM, Martin Pearce wrote:
> . I'm not
> sure about the bottom of the rudder .
>
> Any comments and advice would be gratefully received!
>
> Regards
>
> Martin Pearce
>
> rocketdri...@optusnet.com.au
>
>
>
>
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KR> Introducing myself

[Virgil Salisbury]

 Virg in Miami


 On 1/6/2011 7:53 PM, sean duggan wrote:
> So, I'd just like to say greetings!
>
>  Regards,
>
>  Sean Duggan
>
> P.S.  Any KRNetters near Vero Beach, FL?
>
>
>
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KR> Turbo

[Virgil Salisbury]

 Check out the early Newsletter for many turbo
 installs and info, Virg

KR> Need 4" prop ext

[Virgil Salisbury]

 Pic and price of the one you cannot use, Virg


 On 1/1/2011 9:48 PM, Jose Fuentes wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> I made a big mistake and have this ext that I purchased and realized its
> totally wrong, though I purchased it like months back so no getting my money
> back.
>
> http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=32020630=7f2837ef9b=1106895076
>
> Note how big the one on the left is (hole) vs the one on the right:
> http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=32020632=f516d17090=1106895076
>
>
> Looking to trade for a 4" with the smaller hole (AN6-)
>
> Or if someone wants to buy this one as I need the smaller version.
>
> Thanks
>
> Joe
>

KR> New old KR Gathering photos

[Virgil Salisbury]

 Bob, when were we at Perry, Oklahoma? Also I think that you scanned 
the pics
 at too high a resolution. 640x480 is the best you can send over the 
internet. Try
 one, you might like it, Virg


 On 1/1/2011 6:11 AM, Bob Lee wrote:
> KRnuts,
>
> For the few of you that are old enough to remember the last century, I made
> a discovery this weekend while searching through the basement for old
> photographs.  A while back someone had asked about Don Beachum's retract
> system.  I knew that I had taken some shots of his plane at a KR Gathering
> in a previous century.  Over the holiday break I got the machine from my dad
> to convert film to digital images and went hunting for the photos of Don's
> plane.  I haven't found those photos yet but I did run across photos from
> the 1986 Tulsa, OK KR Gathering, the 1988 and 1989 Covington TN KR
> Gatherings, the 1990 Rough River State Park KY KR Gathering, and the 2001
> Pine Bluff AK KR Gatherings.  These photos have been uploaded to
> krgathering.org.  They have been added to the links at the bottom of the
> home page.  You can scroll down to the bottom to find them.
>
> You will see that there is a note asterisked (*) to these links stating:
> "Photo quality for these Gatherings (1986 through 2001) are not too good.  I
> found the photos in a box in the basement in 2010 and converted them to
> digital images from the original film.  It might be good enough to jog the
> memory of some of us old timers about Gatherings gone by."
>
> Just in case some of you are wondering, there are only 250 days till the
> 2011 KR Gathering in Mount Vernon, IL on September 9-10, 2011!
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Bob Lee
> N52BL  KR2
> Suwanee, GA  USA
> 92% done only 67% to go!
>
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KR> Instrument Panel Wiring

[Virgil Salisbury]

 Keep the Smoke inside the wires. If it gets out, OOO,OOO, Virg



On 12/26/2010 7:45 PM, smwood wrote:
>
> Per Larry Flesner's advice, lots of wiring diagrams and notes for each
> instrument, radio and connector.  Every end of every wire is documented and
> double checked.  Expect first panel light-off/smoke check in about a week.
> https://s3.amazonaws.com/expercraft/sidwood/14681324364d17d64f279e7.jpg
>
> Sid Wood
> Tri-gear KR-2 N6242
> Mechanicsville, MD, USA
> smw...@md.metrocast.net
>
>
>
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KR> 'Rectangular' boat building

[Virgil Salisbury]

 Vertical ( square corners ) side save a whole lot of building time. 
Any work that has to be done on the cowling
 because of the extra width at the bottom is a whole lot less than 
double tapering ALL of the gusset blocks top
 and bottom as well as the crosspieces. Your results may vary, Virg


 On 12/26/2010 2:34 PM, Donald Greer wrote:
> Good day all,
>
> Been looking over Bob Johnson's photo page 
> (http://picasaweb.google.com/103552664644911775549/KR2SS#
> ) and have noticed that he has built his boat to be square at the
> corners, vice angled top to bottom as the drawings indicate.
>
> I'd be grateful if others who have built this way could chime in and
> let me know how well this has worked for you.  I'd also be interested
> in seeing photos of flying KR's with 90 degree corners.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Don Greer
> Belleville, Ontario
> (future) KR2SS builder
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KR> Christmas Day Flight

[Virgil Salisbury]

 I have a complete Spring Bar and Gear for a stock KR-2 if you want 
it. Maimi Fl.
 You pay shipping only, Virgvirg...@bellsouth.net


 On 12/25/2010 4:35 PM, david feiger wrote:
> Went up today to celebrate my birthday, Two days late because of snow and ice 
> on my hanger ramp; finally melting off. Born 12-23-'36, spent my first year 
> and a half (fourth generation) in Elijah Ransom's (civil war vet) old 
> farmhouse south of Traverse City, Michigan.
>
> Unseasonably warm at 45 F; strong east winds made for moderate turbulence 
> with the surrounding mountains here in eastern Oregon. A short flight with a 
> few bumps on landing: 90+mph airspeed with the gps showing 70 mph on short 
> final to runway niner.
>
> Still have fun in my stock KR2, retrac gear that has had the gear legs 
> replaced three years ago with my version fabricated out of 1/4" cold rolled 
> steel plate after one of the aluminun legs failed. Replaced the spring bar 
> last year when it failed at the left side pivot attachment, metal fatigue. 
> But then with 1412.3 hours as today on the books I guess its expected.
>
> Missed a lot of flying this past summer and monthly saturday breakfasts and 
> wednesday chili lunchens at our EAA chapter hanger in Prineville, OR due to  
> a three month battle with the flight physical people in Oklahoma City. They 
> finally conceeded that I am healthy enough to pilot, and don't want to hear 
> from me again for another six years (still gotta do the biannuals here). 
> Hmmm... in six years I'll be 80, doubt if I'll be around to fly!
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KR> vw 2kcc long block

[Virgil Salisbury]

 Straight down exhaust ports, Virg



 On 12/26/2010 10:59 AM, Charles Smiith wrote:
> I've got 2 VW engines, one converted and one as out of the VW vehicle.  I 
> think the unconverted one is a type 4.  Does anyone know how to identify a 
> type 4 engine?
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KR> Mil-spec 6073 vs. any other wood

[Virgil Salisbury]

 Too heavy. Strength and weight need to be balanced, Virg


 On 12/24/2010 8:17 AM, Jose Fuentes wrote:
> I wonder how good ole Southern Red Oak stand up to this list? Though I know
> it's not the lightest.
>
> Joe
>

KR> Mil-spec 6073 vs. any other wood

[Virgil Salisbury]

 This is an EXPERIMENTAL aircraft. Try Marine Spar grade wood, Virg


 On 12/24/2010 12:02 AM, Dan Morehouse wrote:
> I've been reading articles about selecting and testing wood. Lots of good 
> info.
>
>
> I'm all for saving money and it would be neat to build with POC, if it's 
> really
> top of the line. But I'm concerned that I may not be able to guarantee, even 
> by
> inspection and testing, that this uncertified wood is as good or better than
>
> Thanks,
> Dan
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KR> upside down glassing

[Virgil Salisbury]

 Stand it on its nose, Virg


 On 12/23/2010 8:09 AM, airgu...@comcast.net wrote:
> I have some repairs to the belly that need two layers of fiberglas. Can't 
> flip the finished bird. Any clever tips of how to glass upside down. Folks 
> from down under must have to do this all the time ;).
>
> Paul OReilly
> KR2 Stretched
> N7970K
> Derry, NH
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KR> Recommended Epoxy?

[Virgil Salisbury]

 KR-1 Plans have not changed that much. Hang the expense, give the 
Canary
 another seed !, Virg


 On 12/18/2010 6:47 PM, Jose Fuentes wrote:
> Keep in mind that 85% of the plane is done, I just want a set to validate
> things with, and for the wings.
>
> Though I do agree, I would only worry about it not matching anything in a
> newer set of plans LOL.
>
> Joe
>>
>>
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KR> Recommended Epoxy?

[Virgil Salisbury]

 Ask Steve Glover ? Do not be cheap on the plans. Get the latest 
set. Compared to the price
 of the plane, they are a small percentage of the cost, Virg



 On 12/18/2010 8:54 AM, Jose Fuentes wrote:
> I still need to buy a set of plans, maybe some of you have an old set??
>
> What has been the most recommended epoxy for this purpose?
>
> Joe
>

KR> RE: Gas tank

[Virgil Salisbury]

 I think that they are only 10 Gal, Virg


 On 12/16/2010 2:42 PM, Joe Beyer wrote:
> You might try looking for an Aeronca Champ gas tank. They fit a KR real
> well.
>
> Joe
> Scappoose, Ore.
>
>
>
>
> ***
>
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KR> Stalls

[Virgil Salisbury]

 One thing that I learned during my flight training was NEVER pick 
up a wing in the approach to
 a stall with the aileron. It INCEREASES THE ANGLE OF Attack on the 
low wing and
 precipitates the stall on that wing and it stalls first, Virg


 On 12/3/2010 11:55 AM, Jeff Scott wrote:
> Before we start beating drum about the KR being a dangerous craft to stall, 
> you need to look a little farther.  I practice both power off and power on 
> stalls in my KR.  It's more docile and controllable in a power on stall than 
> my Tomahawk was (the Tommy always wanted to roll over and spin).  I would 
> compare the handling in that regime to a Cessna 150, only quicker.  Very 
> docile and easy to recover.  I have also spun it, but did not allow the spin 
> to fully develop.  Spin entry and recovery were also very docile.  The spin 
> entry was from an accelerated power on stall and was actually captured on 
> video from another plane for use in an art video.  Unfortunately, I only saw 
> the video once and was never able to obtain a copy.  For the average KR, your 
> mileage may differ significantly, mostly due to CG considerations.  Mark's 
> plane is a different story with a completely different plan form from most. 
> The one thing to remember about stalls, which really shows up during a power 
> on stall, is that your ailerons are useless until you recover.  You are 
> handling the plane with rudder and elevator. -Jeff ScottN1213W -- 
> Original Message --
>

KR> New Subscriber KR1

[Virgil Salisbury]

One fellow put a hinge line above the wing with the hinge above the wing. 
looked 
different but worked. You may find a pic on one of the Gathering sites, Virg

--- On Mon, 1/11/10, Robin Russo  wrote:


From: Robin Russo 
Subject: Re: KR> New Subscriber KR1
To: "KRnet" 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 7:20 AM


The marine grade fir, 5 ply 1/4" is actually lighter and stronger than the 
birch. It is not always as readily available as the birches or baltic birch.. 
You can also replace your spruce "sticks" with fir tho you will find it on 
AVERAGE to be 25% heavier ...but also 25% stronger.
   Does anyone out there have sketches or ideas for folding wing hardware? 
It is what I want for my next project.a simple fold upwards as on WW2 
carrier aircraft.
Pat Russo
- Original Message - 
From: "Edward Spyker" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 9:55 PM
Subject: KR> New Subscriber KR1


> Hello KRnetters,
> I have spent the day scanning through and searching the archives, but have 
> not found the answer.
> Can 1/4" 5ply A-B Grade Fir Marine plywood be used for the firewall?
> I have recently purchased plans and spruce sticks to build a KR1 and hope 
> to find a local supplier, Dallas/Fort Worth, of plywood. I hoped that if 
> there were a supplier in this huge urban sprawl I might get full sheets, 
> not have so many scarf joints and save shipping costs. No joy so far all I 
> have found is the fir.
>
> Thanks, Edward
>
>
>
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KR> Folding Wing Design

[Virgil Salisbury]

A retired Col had a design with tubeing in the main spar and a universal joint.
Remove the WAF bolts ( 4 or 8 ), pull outtward, rotate the trailing edge up,
take the tip to the rear,put the leading edge in a cradle at the tail, Virg

--- On Tue, 1/12/10, Robin Russo  wrote:


From: Robin Russo 
Subject: Re: KR> Folding Wing Design
To: "KRnet" 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 6:37 AM


Phil
I have been using the 8 bolts per wing as called for by RR. I was not aware 
that anyone was using a thru bolt and spacer . I have built three KR's and 
several other planes the old way and now I am designing my own plane using 
some of the KR technology but wish to change all those things that have 
nagged me for the past 30 years. I live in North Eastern Vermont (NE USA)and 
the weather and lack of hanger space had me taking wings off more than I 
cared to do. I am determined that my latest project will have folding wings 
that take only minutes to fold.
Pat
PS How did my wifes name Robin get on the mail list?
- Original Message - 
From: "Phillip Matheson" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 11:05 PM
Subject: Re: KR> Folding Wing Design


> There has got to be an easier and
> fail safe way to do this..
> --
> Robin
> I do not understand your comment on removing all the WAF bolts?
>
> You only need to remove 4 bolts( normal removal of a KR wing ( Or 8 it you
> use the RR single bolt per hole idea)
>
> In Aust CASA did not like that idea, we use a single WAF through bolt with 
> a
> thick wall 4130 spacer between the WAF's and locked up tight.
>
> Contact if you like.
>
> Phil Matheson
> SAAA Ch. 20  http://www.saaa20.org/
> VH-PKR
> Australia
>
> EMAIL:   phillipmathe...@bigpond.com
> KR Web Page: www.philskr2.50megs.com
>
>
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KR> Got my plans today

[Virgil Salisbury]

Build to plans and get flying, Virg

On Fri, 14 May 2004 11:20:05 -0700 (PDT) Ron Smith
 writes:
> I received my KR2s plans today! I am now studying them. I don't know 
> how long I will do that before beginning to build. I want to have in 
> my head the overview of how I will proceed. I have noticed some have 
> made errors that have cost time and $. I'm sure I'll make some 
> mistakes and changes along the way. I would just like to minimize 
> them.
>  
> Right now I am planning to make bent spars. new airfoil, wing tanks 
> only, trigear, extended flaps, 6" wider fuselage, corvair, and the 
> biggie...carbon graphite fuselage (2layers outside 1 inside) I 
> have a source for c282  50"wide for 14.00 a lin yard.
>  
> Anyone interested in carbon at that low price can email me.
>  
> Has anyone run the rudder cables through a plastic conduit. What 
> would the ramifications be of doing so?
>  
> Please be gentle in you flaming.
>  
> God is in the details
> Ron Smith
>  
>  
>  
>  
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KR> KR2S Specs - thanks

[Virgil Salisbury]

Use 400/600 wet, chordwise strokes. Miniture wing fences, Virg

On Tue, 4 May 2004 18:57:26 +0200 "Cellcool" 
writes:
> Larry, The glider boys have found that if you matt your wing the drag 
> is
> appreciably less, hence before a contest you see all these fellows 
> flatting
> there wings with water paper.
> No one has explained this to me satisfactorily, has anyone  heard a
> plausible explanation
> Cheers
> John
> 
> 
> >>
>  polished to a mirror finish. Given the same engine and fuel
> > flow, they got an extra 30 knots. If you want speed, think glass 
> smooth
> > paint, >
> >
> 
> 
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KR> type 4 Failures

[Virgil Salisbury]

Use 3M trim cement to seal the case halves, no thread. The yellow
sticky stuff, Virg

On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 18:50:58 -0700 "Ryan"  writes:
> This is from another list.
> Ryan
> 6:50.21.04
> 
>  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Q-LIST/message/10392
> 
>   From:  HawkiDoug@a... 
>   Date:  Thu Jan 2, 2003  8:34 am
>   Subject:  VW type 4 fix
>  
>
>   For those who might be interested, here's what we have come up 
> with as a fix
>   to my prop hub coming off last fall. To recap briefly, the end 
> of a type 4
>   crank has a smaller taper on the very end and a "sleeve" is 
> fitted over the
>   end and then machined for the Force One Prop hub. We are 
> confident this was
>   the weak link and the source of the failure. Steve Bennett of 
> Great Plains
>   and I looked at several solutions and the one both Steve & I 
> liked best was
>   to have a new crank made the way we want it made. It will 
> actually be better
>   than the std. VW crank. Cost= $1000.00. The other solutions 
> looked to be
>   about half this cost, so it was a no brainer for me to spend 
> the extra money.
>   I believe I will still have about $5500.00 invested in the 
> engine.
> 
>   Steve sent a letter to his type 4 customers offering this 
> option at his cost
>   on this initial run. If things go as planned (do they ever?), 
> I should be
>   back in the air by early summer.
> 
>   Now, I have a question to you VW experts. What do you think of 
> using
>   Lycoming thread to seal the case halves with? See any problems 
> doing this?
> 
>   Doug "Hawkeye" Humble
>   Omaha NE
>   N25974
>   A Sign Above
> 
>   ==
> 
>   If there are cranks failing I personally really want to know 
> who and why.
>   Tweedy and I are both getting older and would like to continue 
> to do so
>   without having experienced crank failure.
>   So, this post is a call for any one with direct knowledge to 
> sing out.
> 
>   Orma L. Robbins Southfield MI
>   19 Years flying KR-2 N110LR (Tweedy)
>   http://www.aviation-mechanics.com
> 
> 
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KR> Bin laden

[Virgil Salisbury]

Stu Robinson was taller, Virg

On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 21:50:02 -0400 paulw...@webtv.net writes:
> Escape in a KR? The guy is 6' 5"" tall! 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> http://community.webtv.net/paulwasp/paulwaspspad
> 
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KR> SNF, report from the front

[Virgil Salisbury]

The KR Dinner was a success because of the people attending, A
GREAT bunch.
Door prize info to follow Brian, Virg

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Miami ,Fl

KR> Dynel / Ken's KR

[Virgil Salisbury]

Kens ORIGINAL KR=1 was powered by a 36hp VW, Virg

On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 08:47:31 -0700 larry severson 
writes:
> 
> >So how did Ken build a 480 pound KR2?
> 
> Minimal day VFR. Get rid of all those extra instruments!
> 
> >  Was he using the same
> >scales that measured the 180mph cruise, the 350 feet T.O. and
> >900 feet landing distance ?
> 
> He was short and small. Light airplane & pilot, low fuel load, and a 
> turbo 
> VW engine = performance.
> 
> To match his numbers:
> 1. pilot weight 130#
> 2. A/s, alt, v/s, compass, & minimal engine instr only
> 3. no Dragonfly canopy or gull wing doors
> 4. extra equipment - NADA!
> 5. thick foam or extra f/g - no way.
> 
> He built a MG TD (in auto talk) type airplane. Most of the KR2s I 
> have seen 
> try to be corvettes.
> 
> 
> Larry Severson
> Fountain Valley, CA 92708
> (714) 968-9852
> lar...@socal.rr.com 
> 
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KR> Bbq at S-n-F

[Virgil Salisbury]

No KR Forum planned by RR this year. Just talked to Jeannette and
she wishes all well.
KR guys are all gentlemen to her. Any Gals building out there, She
appreciates you as well.
She has a fax on 24/7 and answering machine. Leave a number or address
and calls will be
 returned, or mail reply done 
Will see you all at the KR Dinner, FRIDAY Night, 7 PM, Holiday Inn NORTH.
Note change
from Holiday Inn South $16.00, Roast Beef, Chicken. LES, You take
over NEXT Year.
Saturday night BBQ and night show sounds GREAT, Virg  huff puff

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KR> Trigear

[Virgil Salisbury]

On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 07:41:32 -0600 larry flesner 
writes:
>  One must remember to protect the nose gear by continuing the back 
> pressure
> increase throughout the flare until the nose settles on its own, or 
> damage
> can occur. 
> >Colin & Bev Rainey
> 
> 
> Many nose gear get crunched after a bounce on landing.  The pilot 
> tries
> to force the aircraft back down to the runway with forward stick 
> instead
> of holding back stick, adding power if needed, and flaring again.  
> This
> often forces the nose wheel to hit first and there you have it.  The 
> weak
> link just failed again.  You'd think they would design that thing 
> better. :-)
> 
> Larry Flesner
> 
> 
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KR> Sun N Fun KR barbecue

[Virgil Salisbury]

Please, Not on Friday night, Virg

On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 12:53:33 -0500 "Brian Kraut" 
writes:
> I would like to have a barbecue at Sun N Fun one night and invite 
> everyone
> on the list.  Only problem is that I am not exactly sure where I 
> will be
> camping at.  I will know once I am there, but a lot of people will 
> not have
> access to their email then.  Is there some kind of picnic spot for 
> this that
> someone can suggest or is there anyone that knows exactly where they 
> will be
> camping that will volunteer the spot if I bring the food?
> 
> Brian Kraut
> Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
> www.engalt.com
> 
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KR> Barbeque at Sun-n-Fun

[Virgil Salisbury]

No attachment about BBQ, Virg

On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 15:10:50 -0500 (EST) jas...@webtv.net (Linda Warner)
writes:
> Hugs etc.  Linda Kay & John
> 
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KR> KRnet sticker update

[Virgil Salisbury]

Bring them to Sun N Fun, the Dinner, Virg

On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 20:43:24 -0600 "Mark Langford" 
writes:
> Here's the latest on the stickers.  Everybody that's paid by Paypal 
> or that I have received a check from has an envelope with stickers 
> in it sitting in my mailbox.  They'll go out on Monday.  If you 
> don't know what I'm talking about, see below.  I still have maybe 
> fifty of them left that aren't reserved for anybody in particular, 
> and there are several folks who requested them that haven't sent 
> checks, so there may be even more up for grabs.  I'll wait about a 
> week before I give up on the folks who ordered but never sent a 
> check.  By the way, the address for mailing the checks to is on the 
> second page of the order form.  If you never made it to the second 
> page, you didn't actually order anything!
> --
> From: "Mark Langford" 
> To: "KRnet" 
> Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 8:51 PM
> Subject: KR>KRnet sticker update
> 
> > KRnetHeads,
> >
> > Somebody brought up the idea of selling KRnet stickers a few weeks 
> ago to
> > finance KRnet, help with the Gathering if needed, and finance a 
> "KR prop
> > rental" program.  Best of all, we'd all end up with KRnet 
> stickers!
> > By the way, the original logo was dreamed up by Oscar Zuniga, and
> > actually created by former member Robert Covington.
> >
> > I think we're far enough along that we need to know how many of 
> these
> things
> > we're going to need to order.  The best way I can think of to do 
> that is
> to
> > let y"all order them, and then we'll know.  You need to go through 
> the
> > online ordering process even if you send a check, just so we can 
> capture
> the
> > quantity we're going to need.  Bob Lee has conjured up a web page 
> to let
> you
> > do that.  Please pay attention and answer the questions, check the 
> boxes,
> > and do it right to make sure everything works correctly.
> >
> > One thing I thought of (actually my wife thought of it) that would 
> make
> this
> > a lot easier on me is if most everybody ordering would pay by 
> check and
> send
> > a self addressed stamped envelope with their order.  This would 
> make it
> very
> > easy to open an envelope, look at the check, stuff stickers in the 
> SASE,
> and
> > go to the next one.  If you do that, I don't even think I'll have 
> to use
> the
> > "envelope stuffer" volunteers.  I'll still take Paypal, but that 
> costs
> > money, and it would allow me to screw up your address between my 
> computer
> > and an envelope, and would be a lot more work.  You'll see on 
> Bob's
> ordering
> > page that there's a one dollar incentive to just send the self 
> addressed
> > stamped envelope with your check.  As far as accountability, 
> you're just
> > going to have to trust me to do the right thing and keep up with 
> it.  Then
> > again, I may only get five orders and nobody will have to worry 
> about!
> >
> >  You can see the logo, and place your order, at
> > http://krgathering.org/KRnet/KRnet_pro_shop_order.htm .  We'll let 
> it go
> for
> > about a week before we'll call it "done", and then we'll place our 
> order
> > with the vendor.
> 
> 
> Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama
> N56ML "at" hiwaay.net
> see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford
> 
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KR> O T

[Virgil Salisbury]

BITE your toungh, Virg

On Sun, 28 Mar 2004 23:55:34 EST m83be...@cs.com writes:
> Can any one tell what price a KR1 should sell for? Is the KR1 another 
> BD5. 30 
> years in the making and unable to fly?
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KR> sun-n-fun dinner

[Virgil Salisbury]

mEET AT THE kR fORUM AND gREAT pLANES BOOTH. See previous msg,
Virg

On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 1:45:48 +  writes:
> My schedule is getting booked.  Where is the dinner? When is the 
> dinner? and, I am camping at sun-n-fun. Where can I meet some of you 
> KR people?
> 
> Steven Phillabaum
> Auburn, Alabama
> 
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KR> Sun-n-fun dinner

[Virgil Salisbury]

There is usually a forum sometime. Maybe Jeanett did not schedule
one this time.
Steve at Great Planes will be glad to see you though, Virg

On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 11:44:32 +  writes:
> Sorry to be so stupid. BUT...
> I looked at sun-n-fun event list and scanned the site.  I can't find 
> a schedule for KR's
> Verg, wrote, "Meet at the KR forum tent"
> 
> Please tell me when.
> 
> Thank you,
> Steven Phillabaum
> Auburn, Alabama
> 
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KR> Staple Size

[Virgil Salisbury]

5/16, Virg

On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 20:42:01 -0600 "Stowers" 
writes:
> What is the best size staples to use to skin the boat?
> 
> Jerry Stowers
> Duncan, Ok.
> www.angelfire.com/ok5/kr2s
> flynredn...@hotmail.com
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KR> FAA Safety Program Site

[Virgil Salisbury]

How do I find my info? Medical Jan, no response yet, Virg

On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 08:01:19 -0600 larry flesner 
writes:
> 
> 
> Netters,
> 
> I'm forwarding a portion of an e-mail I received from the FAA.
> I'm on their e-mail list after signing up for the online update
> program for my personal information relating to my pilot
> license or whatever it was I signed up for.  Anyway, I would 
> encourage all U.S.A. pilot / builders to check out this
> site if you haven't already.  It has more than the Safety Seminars
> listed there.  It has accident data as well as a list of current
> TFR's, etc.
> 
> Larry Flesner
>
"
"""
> 
> Dear Airman,
> 
> The FAA Aviation Safety Program is undergoing some changes. One of 
> the
> first steps in this process is to have better communication with 
> our
> customers in the aviation community. To do this we have created a 
> new
> website at http://faasafety.gov. This site currently provides a 
> searchable
> listing of aviation safety seminars and events nationwide. It will 
> also
> send you e-mail notification of these seminars and additional 
> aviation
> safety information depending on how you set your preferences.
> 
> Our future plans for the site include:
> * A searchable online aviation library 
> * Streaming video on aviation safety topics 
> * Interactive learning 
> * Automated administration of our Wings program 
> * Easy to find, customer based FAA information 
> 
> 
> Please use the comment feature on the site to let us know what you 
> think of
> the site and to suggest additional features.
> 
> Thank you for visiting http://faasafety.gov,
> 
> Kevin L. Clover
> FAA National Safety Program Manager
>
> 
> 
> 
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KR> FAA physical

[Virgil Salisbury]

THX, Virg

On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 14:19:27 -0600 larry flesner 
writes:
> At 12:09 PM 3/21/04 -0500, you wrote:
> >How do I find my info? Medical Jan, no response yet, Virg
> >
> =+++
> 
> 
> That may take a phone call to the FAA.  Contact the Dr. that did
> the physical and get a phone number.
> 
> Larry Flesner
> 
> 
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KR> FAA physical

[Virgil Salisbury]

THX  to you also, Virg

On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 16:55:40 -0500 "Dean Cooper"
 writes:
> Virg,
> 
> Here are the numbers for OK City:
> 
> FAA Aeromedical Division   405-954-4821
> FAA Medical Appeals   405-954-7675
> 
> I hope this helps.
> 
> Dean Cooper
> Jacksonville, FL
> Email me at dean_coo...@bellsouth.net
> See my KR project at www.geocities.com/djramccoop1/KR2_Home.html
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "larry flesner" 
> To: "KRnet" 
> Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 3:19 PM
> Subject: KR> FAA physical
> 
> 
> > At 12:09 PM 3/21/04 -0500, you wrote:
> > >How do I find my info? Medical Jan, no response yet, 
> Virg
> > >
> > =+++
> > 
> > 
> > That may take a phone call to the FAA.  Contact the Dr. that did
> > the physical and get a phone number.
> > 
> > Larry Flesner
> > 
> > 
> > 
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KR>Angle of attack indicator

[Virgil Salisbury]

What a neat idea, Virg

On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 09:09:05 +1100 "Martindale Family"
 writes:
> Folks
> 
> A friend of mine designed his own AoA indicator. Simply a 1/2" tube, 
> sealed
> at the end with row of small holes drilled into it. The tube is 
> mounted  out
> of the fuselage wall on the extended chord line 8"or so ahead of the 
> leading
> edge root and is parallel to it. He has the holes pointed down at 
> right
> angles to the chord so that at zero AoA there is minimal pressure in 
> the
> tube. As the wing/fuselage is rotated to provide an AoA so too does 
> the
> tube, the holes present to the air flow and the pressure increases.  
> A
> reading is obtained on some sort of sensitive pressure gauge (maybe 
> just a
> low speed ASI) that has it's face recalibrated in arbitary units (he 
> just
> uses numbers 1 to 5 and has the dial named " partner's pressure 
> level").
> The tube can be rotated to provide calibration (or desired absolute 
> needle
> movement) and the readings noted as he approaches the stall. He 
> flies this
> gauge on approach, more so than the ASI.
> 
> John
> The Martindale Family
> 29 Jane Circuit
> TOORMINA NSW 2452
> AUSTRALIA
> 
> phone:  61 2 66584767
> 
> email: johnj...@chc.net.au
> - Original Message -
> From: "larry severson" 
> To: "KRnet" 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 3:12 AM
> Subject: Re: KR>Dynon clarification
> 
> 
> >
> > >The only function you will not be able to use without adding an 
> option is
> > >the Angle of Attack.  The unit will provide all other functions 
> with the
> > >expenditure of $1995 using the standard power supply in your 
> airplane and
> > >the existing pitot/static system.  If you have no use for the 
> AOA, just
> > >use whatcha got.
> >
> > Forgive me, but the AOA is the most important feature that they 
> add in not
> > only my opinion but also in a number of books on stalls, spins, 
> landing
> and
> > small a/c crashes.
> >
> >
> > Larry Severson
> > Fountain Valley, CA 92708
> > (714) 968-9852
> > lar...@socal.rr.com
> >
> >
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KR>Yes, Remember "GRANDMA", Virg

[Virgil Salisbury]

NO, Read previous Grandma reference, Virg

On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 17:23:24 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) "Dan Heath"
 writes:
> Virg,

>  

> Would you care to explain that comment? 

>  

> See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics

>  

> Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC

>  

> da...@kr-builder.org

>  

> See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering

>  

> See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org

>  
> 
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KR>kr2

[Virgil Salisbury]

Do not forget the K R Dinner SnF Friday Night, Virg

On Sun, 7 Mar 2004 21:38:41 EST fixerjo...@aol.com writes:
> well guys, i'm doing my best exposing my kr2,n212kr here in 
> fla. 
> since nov. i,ve  flown 76 fun filled hrs around the state,to fly 
> ins, eaa 
> breakfast,resterants & just goin to little airports hangin out with 
> whoever has a 
> hanger open. yes i,ll be at sun a day or two& looking forward to 
> longer trips 
> this year.  maby even get to go to my 1st kr gathering!  the whole 
> point to me 
> is to have fun building real fun flyin   :-)
>   steve jones, venice fl  
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KR>The KR-2 in Realtime

[Virgil Salisbury]

Short answer "GRANDMA", Long answer, during thee past years, the
grandchildren
 have come first. She funded the wing skins, saw that plans were
available, parts suppliers
 kept up with supply and Lost Ken Brock, her main supplier. Nor bad on a
not quite part time
business. Send her a Thank You card for keeping the KR alive for us, Virg
 huff puff

On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 17:39:06 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) "Dan Heath"
 writes:
> RE: My only wish is that we could get Mother Jeanette occasionally 
> speak.

>  

> I'm with you. We all miss out and she is missing the most. We are 
> her family
> and if she would just once participate with us, I know that it would 
> enrich
> her life, not to mention what it would do for the KR and the netters 
> who don
> t know her. She is a fine person and I have a real hard time 
> figuring out
> why she won't communicate with us.

>  

> Maybe she will be at the gathering this year and we can gang up on 
> her. 

>  

> See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics

>  

> Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC

>  

> da...@kr-builder.org

>  

> See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering

>  

> See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org

>  
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KR>KR - Larry's Lady reply (even longer )

[Virgil Salisbury]

O K Guys. I have seen that ALL engines with wood props will stop.
If you want it to windmill, put on a metal prop. Pointing a plane with a
wood prop straight down MAY get it to windmill, Virg

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KR>Larry's Lady reply (long)

[Virgil Salisbury]

On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:04:18 -0600 "Mark Langford" 
writes:
> Virg wrote:
> 
> > Or Try a Turner T-40A, Virg
> 
>O K Ole virg stepped in it again. Now for the LOONG answer. Many
are trying to make the K R what it could not possibly be If you want
a wood airplane to take the HUMONGUS engine then YOU look for the plans
that will handle same. THE K R WILL NOT, NOT DO IT accept it for what
it
is only. Do not make more than cosmetic changes, or Design your
own!!Knowing of the Turner T-40
and T-40A, it MAY handle the power you specify. O K Back to the FACT mode
and concise 
answers.Virgil N. Salisbury
5445 S.W. 89th Place 
Miami, Fl 33165
305-271-3608   
STANDING TALL AS USUAL

KR>Larry's Lady reply (long)

[Virgil Salisbury]

Or Try a Turner T-40A, Virg

On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 20:51:49 -0600 larry flesner 
writes:
> 
> Steve and Netters,
> 
> I'll take a few minutes and try to answer some of the questions
> I never got to in this earlier post.
> 
> >I am trying to find the correct balance (of mods) for my venture - 
> your
> >airplane seems to be in the direction that I am headed - please put 
> me
> >straight on a few things.
> >Is the 24" stretch over the 2 or 2S?
> 
> +++  My stretch is over a standard KR2.  All other dimentions 
> are
> standard.
> 
> >I note that you have Aerodynamic balance area on the elevator and 
> rudder
> >- did you add weight as well for static balance?  Did you change 
> the HS
> >in any other way?
> 
> +  The aerodynamic tabs have weight in them. The elevator also
> has a weight attached inside the fuselage.  I did move the elevator 
> and 
> horizontal stabilizer forward 2 inches in relation to the plans to 
> give me 
> more clearance for the elevator control horn and better 
> streamlining.  
> All size dimentions are the same.  Moving the HS and elevator 
> forward
> did give me some additional area on the vertical stabilizer which I 
> 
> wanted with the 0-200.
> 
> >What did you do regarding the fuse width?
> 
> ++  Standard KR2.  A couple more inches of width would be nice.
> >
> >You talk of a 4" tip instead of an 8" tip - not sure what this 
> means but
> >it does appear to be relevant to the performance?
> >
>   As I recall the plans call for adding 8 inches to the end
> of the standard wing when building the tip.  I limited my tip to 4 
> inches.
> My thinking was less wing span would hurt my climb but the 0-200
> would compensate.  In cruise, less span would increase my wing
> loading and give me a better ride and less span would mean 2 or 3
> mph more speed.  I have no way of knowing if any of this is true in
> my case as I have nothing to compare it to.
> 
> >Can you say anything encouraging about your empty weight - I tried 
> to
> >peek through the canopy on one of the pictures - hoping to see if 
> the
> >panel reveals lots of heavy goodies. 
> >If you built another - could you (would you) make it lighter?
> >
> +  The only encouraging thing I can say about my
> empty weight is that it still manages to fly.  You don't pick up 
> 200
> extra pounds in any one spot.  It's 5 pounds here, 10 pounds there, 
> 
> and before you know it you have a pig on your hands.  My target
> empty weight was 700 pounds and I even blew right by that.  My
> extra weight came from things like 30" gear legs, 600X6 wheels
> and brakes, 0-200 with all accessories, 5" prop extention, second
> small backup battery and large main battery, a Cessna flap motor
> to run my speed brake, fiberglass seat instead of a cloth seat, 
> 12.5 gal fuel tank in each wing with all the plumbing and two fuel
> pumps, etc., etc., etc.   I think you get the point.
> 
> >Reason for asking Larry - I figured that 230lbs over the plans 
> weight of
> >a 2S should be enough to accommodate my changes, so I targeted 
> 750lb
> >empty with an 0-320 and some IF capability, possibly even a 
> training
> >wheel out front.  Maybe I need to learn from you that this is not 
> a
> >realistic target
> >I plan to use the 18% AS airfoil section for a deeper (stronger) 
> spar so
> >we can get back to +6G at 1450lb MAUW).  The right time to 
> consider
> >changes to the wing area would be now.
> 
> +++ If you plan on going with an 0-320 you probably need to 
> look at a different airplane entirely.  With that much weight and 
> horsepower you are looking  at an extensive redesign of the 
> KR.  I'd suggest you look at something like the "Vision".
> Check it out at:http://visionaircraft.com/
> 
> >>From your comment you are using the RAF48 - on the pics it looks 
> like
> >you have flat plate tail feathers?
> 
> +++ HS, elevator, VS and rudder are plans shape.
> 
> >Do you feel the need for a header tank with the 0-200?
> >
> +  No, I have a 12.5 gal tank in each outer wing panel.
> 
> 
> >I am still worried about the under carriage configuration - I have 
> very
> >little tail dragger time - 0:35 on a Tiger Moth 27 years ago - Ok I 
> have
> >no tail wheel time.  How much tail wheel time did you have to start 
> with
> >- what is your advice on this?
> >>Kind regards
> >Steve
> >Zambia - Africa
> 
>   I had 13 hours tailwheel time over a 30 year
> period when I started to taxi test the KR and teaching myself to 
> fly
> the tailwheel.  My KR has an eight foot wide main gear track and
> with the fuselage extention it is probably one of the best handling
> KR taildraggers going.  If you don't want to learn to fly the 
> tailwheel
> go with the nose gear.  If you aren't comfortable flying the 
> airplane
> you build it most certainly will turn out to be a "hangar queen".
> 
> >From my 14 years exposure to the KR and having just finished
> 

KR>Hershey Bar wing/ KRSport

[Virgil Salisbury]

Forget the Documentation for Sport Pilot! You can fly the motor
glider
 without a MEDICAL, Virg

On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 06:08:35 -0500 "Dana Overall" <bo12...@hotmail.com>
writes:
> 
> >From: Virgil Salisbury <virg...@juno.com>
> >
> > K R 1b Motor Glider for your situation, Virg
> >
> 
> Virg, I respectfully mention the above comment may be jumping the 
> gun.  
> First of all, there is not much history out there on the motor 
> glider.  
> Second of all, I would seriously recommend one go to the actually 
> document 
> that proceeded the advisory board recommendations and read the pages 
> upon 
> pages of documentation, engineering papers, flight parameters, 
> flight 
> performance.the list goes on and on, required for submission 
> in 
> determination.  It is, and will be, a very exhausting process.  My 
> gut 
> feeling, from reading the document, is they are not going to willy 
> nilly 
> hand these pink slips out.   My opinion, and it is just that, the 
> KR1 motor 
> glide may be able to fall into the classification but lacks 
> supporting 
> documentation at this time.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Dana Overall
> 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host
> Richmond, KY i39
> RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
> Finish kit
> 13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon.
> http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg
> http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg
> http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg
> do not archive
> 
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KR>Hershey Bar wing/ KRSport

[Virgil Salisbury]

K.R.1b M otor Glider. 
Span 27' Wing Area 91Empty  484Gross  800   
Vne  144Vmax  130
Vman  100L/D  20/1@ 65MPH. DO NOT EXTEND THE WINGS ON A K.R.2 !!!
The center spar is not stressed to take the load!! Build the K.R.1 stock
and get the 1b Plans.
Outer wings built in the same way as the K.R.1, with longer THICKER (not
deeper) spars.
Get the Plans, Virg

On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 07:59:55 -0600 "Mark Langford" 
writes:
> The KR1B motorglider may not be such a bad idea after all.  Maybe not 
> for
> Sport Pilot, but registered as a motorglider. Below is something I 
> posted in
> Nov, dug up from the archives in about 10 seconds.
>
-
---
> -
> There's an interesting article in the December 2003 Kitplanes (page 
> 15) that
> discusses the Europa MOTORGLIDER.  The guy that built it lost his 
> medical,
> but discovered that all you need to fly a "motorglider" is a glider 
> license!
> No medical required.  It seems that we KR folks are sitting on the 
> ultimate
> no-medical fighting machine, the KR1B Motorglider.
> 
> The article didn't elaborate about what makes a plane a legal 
> motorglider,
> but this thing had a gross weight of 1450 pounds and had a 115 hp 
> engine in
> it.  The "Kit Aircraft Directory" in the same issue lists the cruise 
> speed
> as 174 mph, stall speed as 45 mph, 760 mile range, takeoff and 
> landing in
> 600 feet, fuel capacity of 28 gallons, and two seats.  Get the 
> picture guys?
> The KR1 would certainly qualify.  I'd call the local FSDO just in 
> case, but
> it sounds like all you'd need is some longer wings and a glider 
> license to
> keep on flying, regardless of Sport Pilot.  My guess is that the 
> definition
> of motorglider is based on wing loading, but I could be wrong.
> 
> Does anybody actually OWN a set of KR1B Motorglider plans?  If so, 
> are there
> any structural differences to the spars?  My guess is probably not.  
> Anybody
> know the price differential in plans or parts?  RR's website makes
> practically no mention of the KR1B plans or parts.  Speaking of 
> which, RR
> sent me an update to the price list for all models, parts, and 
> supplies,
> which I've updated.  Details are at http://www.fly-kr.com/ .  New 
> prices are
> in effect, as of November 2003.
>
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> --
> 
> Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL
> N56ML "at"  hiwaay.net
> see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford
> 
> 
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KR>Hershey Bar wing/ KRSport

[Virgil Salisbury]

I do have a set, need I say more, Virg

On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 14:18:03 -0500 "Ron Freiberger"
 writes:
> I believe Virg has the only set of plans for the 1B.
> 
> Can't tell, the messages are too terse.
> 
> Ron Freiberger
> mailto: rfreiber...@swfla.rr.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Miami ,Fl

KR>Hershey Bar wing/ KRSport-Now KR1B

[Virgil Salisbury]

Wing Loading  8.7/1   Area 91sq ft. NUF SAID, Virg

On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 21:38:16 -0600 "Mark Langford" 
writes:
> Rick Human wrote:
> 
> >>(iii) The maximum weight to wing span squared (w/b2) does not 
> exceed 3.0
> kg/M2 (0.62 lb./ft.2).>>
> 
> Hm.  The KR1B Motorglider numbers that Virge cited of 484 empty 
> weight
> and 27' wing span yield .66, which is higher than .62.  I guess if 
> you want
> to build a KR1B and call it a legal motorglider, you've got to 
> either make
> it weigh less (doubtful!), or extend the wingtips another 6" on each 
> end,
> and you'd be at .62.
> 
> Sounds interesting...
> 
> Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL
> N56ML "at"  hiwaay.net
> see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford
> 
> 
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KR>Control cables

[Virgil Salisbury]

Check the CD, this was an original problem and was fixed by
changing 
the position of the two cables ?? Virg

On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 15:42:55 +0100 "Serge F. Vidal"
 writes:
> I relay this question on behalf of a French builder, who is stuck.
> The issue is the aileron bell crank assembly.
> 
> He says that the two crossing cables (the cable that goes to the 
> forward
> spar pulley and the cable that goes to the second bell crank) are 
> very close
> to each other, and he suspects it should not be the case.
> 
> I checked the drawings to understand the problem. Could you guys 
> confirm
> that he should have 1 inch vertical separation between both cables?
> 
> Serge Vidal
> KR2 ZS-WEC
> Tunis, Tunisia
> 
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KR>Do we need a tail wheel lock on a KR?

[Virgil Salisbury]

Art, have 1972/3? plans. Reciept # 876 ? Fus done, spars done.
Willget the 
spars installed sometime, Virg

On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 17:39:49 -0500 intrepid...@juno.com writes:
> > "Dan Heath"  writes:
> > No, but you need to use expansion springs. The compression
> > springs are way too stiff, ask me how I know. Also, use springs,
> > don't set it up with a direct connect. AS sells a nice 
> compression
> > spring set.
> 
>   The compression springs offer intrinsic safety against a broken
>   spring leaving the tailwheel out of control.  Even with the 
> spring
>   broken, the end attachments are interleaved and the line secure.
> 
>   Pet stores sell these springs quite cheaply for use on dog 
> tie-out
>   chains to protect the pet from the shock of reaching the end of
>   the chain.  They come in different sizes and compression force
>   according to the size of the pet ( or tailwheel ... :).
> 
>   A tailwheel lock also provides a backup to a spring failure, and
>   may even prevent landing forces and accelerations or oscillations
>   from *causing* the springs to break. 
> 
>   How might such a fail-safe be accomplished with an expansion
>   spring ?   A slip rod or stretch-limiting wire/cable thru the 
> spring ?
> 
>   Art Cacella   1970 American AA-1  N6155L  "Dinkie"
>   1972 KR-1 Plans, still not started 
>   ( but four metal homebuilts underway )
>   Winston-Salem, NC
> 
> 
> 
>  
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KR>Hershey Bar wing/ KRSport

[Virgil Salisbury]

K R 1b Motor Glider for your situation, Virg

On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 20:44:00 -0500 "Richard Collins"
 writes:
> Ron,
> 
> I am, as  you, interested in the sport pilot concept, mainly because 
> I am
> aging and anticipate that I will not always be able to pass the 
> physical.
> So, after this one runs out, I am going to forego anymore flight 
> physicals.
> I am curious about how you came to the conclusion that the Hershey 
> Bar wing
> x 10 ft x slotted will accomplish the sport pilot limitations.  
> Could you
> send me some links you looked at or pictures, graphs etc that you 
> studied?
> 
> PS. When you're here this summer, I would really like to talk to you 
> and
> Bill Thompson (I've asked him to get the thing flying again) and see 
> what
> can be done, and how long it will take.  I have about 20 months left 
> on my
> license.
> 
> Rick Collins "Little Beast"
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Ron Freiberger" 
> To: "KRnet" 
> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 5:37 PM
> Subject: RE: KR>Hershey Bar wing/ KRSport
> 
> 
> > I researched this issue before giving up in disgust with the FAA 
> on
> Medical
> > issues.  I think the wing needs to be 10 feet long (outer panels, 
> and that
> > you should have zero twist.  The out half of the outer panel 
> should be a
> > slotted airfoil, and the elevator/stabilizer ought to be enlarged 
> to power
> > the larger,longer wing.
> > Note; opinions free.
> > Ron Freiberger
> > mailto: rfreiber...@swfla.rr.com
> >
> > rhartwi...@juno.com
> > said;
> > I am designing (stealing ideas) for a plane using KR construction 
> that
> > would fit within the Sport Pilot rules.  It will be single place, 
> Hershey
> >
> >
> >
> >
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