KR> tech advisors

[gleone]

Where I live in Wyoming, tech advisors are far and few in between.   The 
local" tech advisor doesn't charge for reasons Mark stated but does ask for
mileage which is more than reasonable considering he has to travel over 100
miles round trip.  If a tech advisor is charging for his services, I'd drop
a note to EAA and make the aware of it.  Gene Leone, Worland, Wyoming

"Everything I need to know about islam I learned on September 11, 2001."
---Original Message---

From: Brian Kraut
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 03/18/05 20:16:53
To: KRnet
Subject: KR> tech advisors

I have an EAA tech advisor coming by Monday to look over one of my planes
before my airworthiness inspection. I was wondering if it is normal to tip
a tech advisor? Buy them dinner? Just a thank you?

Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com


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KR> tech advisors

[gleone]

First, my apologies to the rest of the KR-Net. The fact is this cretin hit a
hot button of mine. 

Now, as for you "joachim" (lower case intentional) if you'd like to contact
me off net, you cowardly, ignorant fucking son of a bitch, I will give you
directions right to my front door: DOOR TO DOOR! My e-mail is
gle...@rtconnect.net. 
Signed,
Capt. Gene Leone (Ret.) US Army/US Air Force, Worland, Wyoming

P.S.
And yes, I was enlisted before I was commissioned! In college, I gave up my
2S deferrement, enlisted in the Army, VOLUNTEERED for Combat Infantryman AND
combat duty in Vietnam during the Vietnam war, and later earned my
commission in the Air Force through AFROTC! When WWIII started in earnest on
September 11, 2001, the military was asking for retiree volunteers to come
back in to the service. Being disabled and more than 5 years retired, I am
unable to go back in, though I DAMN WELL GAVE IT MY BEST SHOT! I'm in the
phonebook so assuming you can read, feel free to call! I look forward to it!
I'll give you directions to my house, like I said, door-to-door!


"Everything I need to know about islam I learned on September 11, 2001."


"Everything I need to know about islam I learned on September 11, 2001."
---Original Message---

From: Joachim Saupe
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 03/19/05 08:41:11
To: gleone , KRnet
Subject: Re: KR> tech advisors



> [Original Message]
> From: gleone <gle...@rtconnect.net>
> To: KRnet <kr...@mylist.net>
> Date: 3/19/2005 5:22:34 AM
> Subject: Re: KR> tech advisors
>
>
> "Everything I need to know about islam I learned on September 11, 2001."
> ---Original Message---
>
That's rather ignorant, don't you think?
Joachim



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KR> Hangers

[gleone]

It's easier and CHEAPER to build (or buy) an enclosed trailer and tow the
thing to the airport.  

"Michael Moore is living proof to never trust anyone who is bigger around
than tall!"
---Original Message---

From: Joseph H. Horton
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 03/16/05 13:57:05
To: kr...@mylist.net
Subject: KR> Hangers

Guys,
I just got a call back from my first try at getting into a hanger. If I
go in with this guy it is in a pretty new hanger at the closest airport
to me (only 10 min). His cost is $350/month. My split would be $175. I
think that my area in southeast Pa. is a little higher than other areas.
Does this sound reasonable? It still is a lot more than I wanted to
spend. The wife may have to give up her shoe allowance;-)

Joe Horton
joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com

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KR> W & B and other progress

[gleone]

 Jeff, do you know you sent this NINE times?

"Michael Moore is living proof to never trust anyone who is bigger around
than tall!"
---Original Message---

From: Jack Cooper
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 03/07/05 10:57:13
To: KRnet
Subject: RE: KR> W & B and other progress

Dan
Have you and Jerry decided what cowling to use. Are you going to use the
Lankford Molds to make the cowling?

Jack Cooper


> [Original Message]
> From: Dan Heath 
> To: kr...@mylist.net 
> Date: 3/6/2005 7:06:00 PM
> Subject: KR> W & B and other progress
>
> Please take a look at this W & B sheet. At the bottom is the part where
the
> station for the engine can be adjusted. The yellow highlighted cells are
> where the numbers go. The engine is at a negative station as the firewall
is
> used for the datum. Any constructive comments, or error corrections will
be
> greatly appreciated.
>
> This weekend we did the W & B over again after carefully calibrating the
> scales. Bathroom scales leave a lot to be desired, but the numbers pass
the
> reasonableness test. Great news, the plane weighs 624# empty and the GC is
> OK as it is, but I think that moving the engine forward will make it
better.
> Tell me what you think.
>
> More great news, we put 5 gal of fuel in it and no leaks have been found.
> Bad news is that the fuel gauge does not work. One thing on choice of
fuel,
> I first bought some Exxon 93 Octane to use for the pump tests and the odor
> is enough to kill you. This time I bought Amoco and it has about the same
> odor as avgas.
>
> The wings are now fully painted and we have worked out the fuel system.
Now,
> as soon as the engine placement is decided, I will finish up the cowling,
> the only big thing left.
>
>
>
> See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics
>
> There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for
building
> has expired.
>
> Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC
>
> See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering
>
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KR> Spar questions

[gleone]

 I am building the KR-1B.  If you plan on building the KR-2 with the -1B
wings, DON'T DO IT!  The plans state very clearly to NOT use the -1B wings
on the -2 as the -2 (or -2S, for that matter) will not take the stresses. 
That is from RR.  If you're building the -1 and want to build the -1B wings,
the difference in the outer wing panels (besides being considerably longer
:WS 17 feet vs 27 feet) is the spars are thicker and the WAF's attach with
the forward spar WAF on the inside and the rear spar WAF on the outside
where as they all attach inside the center spar WAF's.  You can get away
with a LITTLE BIT of stretching of the spars and with extended wing tips,
but don't, DO NOT put the -1B wings on the -2 or -2S.  Now, if you're going
to build a solid spar, you're in a whole different ball park.  I would still
test a solid spar to ensure it's integrity before flying it as a motorglider
  But again, RR is emphatic about using the -1B wings on the -2 or -2S.  

Gene Leone, Worland, Wyoming

"Michael Moore is living proof to never trust anyone who is bigger around
than tall!"
---Original Message---

From: Bubba
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 02/09/05 08:26:36
To: gle...@rtconnect.net
Subject: Re: KR> Spar questions

B. Ferguson wrote:
> Hello,
>
> With this discussion on spar strength I was curious to know if any of
> the techniques discussed, along with the extra thickness of the 5048
> airfoil, would add enough strength to the center section to allow for
> fitting of the 1-B wings? Adding a large amount to the span would no
> doubtedly lower the g rating, but would it not be feasable to build a
> 2-B using a laminated center section to beef up the structure for the
> needed support?

The outer parts of the wings have suprisingly little load on them. At the
tips it's nearly zero. So The long wings built with long 2S spars should be
fine. That's just my opinion though, I haven't seen the changes to the 1B
wings.

> Steve and I have a lot in common, we're both in Houston headed for
> Reno. He wants to race and I'd like to catch some of that Minden wave.

I'm planning on flying out there this year, KR or not (most likely some
misc. spam can), if you feel like going the long way. One of these days I'm
going out to Waller, too. It's unbelievably cheap to rent a club sailplane.
Like $9/hr plus tows and dues.

> Been lurking here for most of 2003 and have found the discussion
> interesting, so I finally decided to throw out my first newbie/dumb
> questions. As for me I'm not an engineer, but one sure fire way to see
> if the spar would take the weight would be to build one and test to
> destruction. If anyone has a slightly less expensive solution I'd love
> to hear and yes, I need to do some homework with regards to wood
> strength, any suggested reading besides the archives? I'm sure anyone
> that might want to avoid the hassle of medical exams would be too.
> (trust me doc, my prostate is A-OK)

I would destruction test a pair of spars if I had the capability. I don't
have any way of putting 4500 pounds of pressure on anything, much less
getting the load distributed right.

And the medical sucks. I got my first one the day before my 16th birthday
and he STILL had to check that. Insane IMHO.

> KR design decision made, still gravity bound on Suzuki.

Buell and Kawasaki for me ;)
--
Steve
N205FT
mystic...@swbell.net
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KR> Parachutes

[gleone]

 The parachute is an excellent idea but true, you need to do something
different with the canopy.  One way is a pull-pin release to jettison the
canopy entirely (if you're bailing, I doubt it matters what happens to the
thing).  In my bird, I am installing a sliding canopy which will allow me to
simply step out.  A third, albeit an expensive and relatively heavy option,
is a ballistic chute.  But at a minimum,  a thin, backpack chute is very
inexpensive life insurance.

Gene Leone,
Worland, Wyoming

"Michael Moore is living proof to never trust anyone who is bigger around
than tall!"
---Original Message---

From: Jim Sellars
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 02/08/05 07:57:28
To: KRnet
Subject: Re: KR> Parachutes

Steve:\
Practically speaking if the thing won't work you don't need it. If you
have ever sat in a KR2 you would know that getting out with the wind forces
and all that would make it almost impossible to egress unless you made the
canopy an emergency release. On the other hand simply doing a forced
landing in a field or what ever you can find is the next best option, if you
are concerned ware a helmet, and stay in glide distance of the field until
you're sure the plane can fly where you want to go.
>From experience
Jim
- Original Message -
From: "Bubba" 
To: "KRNet" 
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 9:18 AM
Subject: KR> Parachutes


> Call me paranoid, but I'm thinking it's a good idea to wear a chute while
> flying my project, and not just during the 40 hours. So now I'm stuck with
> a
> bit of a situation. I need a chute to design the seat, but if I buy a
> chute
> now I have to pay to get it repacked every 4 months even though I'm not
> using it. But then I could just not get it repacked until a few weeks
> before
> the first flight. Anyway, does anyone have any recommendations on where to
> get a chute? Needs to be on my back, not a seat or chair pack, and $1500
> for
> a National is right out.
> --
> Steve
> N205FT
> mystic...@swbell.net
> He who seeks will find, and he who knocks will be let in.
>
>
>
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Re: Réf. : Re: KR> Glide ratio

[gleone]

Disregard my question on weight.  My e-mails log in in an "inverted" order
and the weight questino was answered in my next e-mail.  I'm still waiting
for my coffee to finish boiling over.  Sorry about that.
Gene in Wyoming 

"Michael Moore is living proof to never trust anyone who is bigger around
than tall!"
---Original Message---

From: Serge VIDAL
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 02/07/05 07:55:30
To: KRnet
Subject: Réf. : Re: KR> Glide ratio

Well, each time I played that game with my KR2, I got more the impression
to fall like a brick! Maybe the high density altitude changed the picture
somehow. I should have measured.

Anyway, from your figures, that would give us a glide ratio of about 1.
Not bad indeed.

Serge Vidal






larry flesner 

Envoyé par : krnet-boun...@mylist.net
2005-02-07 15:13
Veuillez répondre à KRnet
Remis le : 2005-02-07 15:15


Pour : KRnet 
cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM)
Objet : Re: KR> Glide ratio



At 12:18 PM 2/7/05 +0100, you wrote:
>Would anybody know what the KR2's glide ratio would be?
>Serge Vidal


My testing notes would indicate that my KR, 760 pounds empty,
stock KR wing with 8 inches total less span, at 70 -75 mph,
engine at idle, decending from 3500 feet to 3000 feet took about
54 to 56 seconds. That comes out to about 550 fpm . At 70 mph
in smooth air with the engine at idle it feels like you're floating !!

I was impressed for a 20 foot wing.

Larry Flesner



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Re: Réf. : Re: KR> Glide ratio

[gleone]

 How heavy is your plane?

"Michael Moore is living proof to never trust anyone who is bigger around
than tall!"
---Original Message---

From: Serge VIDAL
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 02/07/05 07:55:30
To: KRnet
Subject: Réf. : Re: KR> Glide ratio

Well, each time I played that game with my KR2, I got more the impression
to fall like a brick! Maybe the high density altitude changed the picture
somehow. I should have measured.

Anyway, from your figures, that would give us a glide ratio of about 1.
Not bad indeed.

Serge Vidal






larry flesner 

Envoyé par : krnet-boun...@mylist.net
2005-02-07 15:13
Veuillez répondre à KRnet
Remis le : 2005-02-07 15:15


Pour : KRnet 
cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM)
Objet : Re: KR> Glide ratio



At 12:18 PM 2/7/05 +0100, you wrote:
>Would anybody know what the KR2's glide ratio would be?
>Serge Vidal


My testing notes would indicate that my KR, 760 pounds empty,
stock KR wing with 8 inches total less span, at 70 -75 mph,
engine at idle, decending from 3500 feet to 3000 feet took about
54 to 56 seconds. That comes out to about 550 fpm . At 70 mph
in smooth air with the engine at idle it feels like you're floating !!

I was impressed for a 20 foot wing.

Larry Flesner



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KR> VE resin fuel Tanks

[gleone]

Doug,
This sounds like a great idea.  Thanks for sharing it as I'm going to be
starting on my tanks here shortly.  Quick question: Are  you roughing the
surface before applying the gelcoat or applying it directly and how many
coats? 

Gene Leone, Worland, Wyoming  

"Michael Moore is living proof to never trust anyone who is bigger around
than tall!"
---Original Message---

From: Doug Rupert
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 02/06/05 22:08:38
To: 'KRnet'
Subject: RE: KR> VE resin fuel Tanks


I was reading up on VE as that is what I'm using for my tanks and the resin
supplier was quick to point out that all composite fuel tanks should be
coated on the inside with Gelcoat, the same as the marine industry has been
doing for years. Gives a smooth surface that contaminants can't stick to as
well as being totally fuel proof and improving resistance to vibration
cracking.
Doug Rupert
Simcoe Ontario

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KR> Demise of a GREAT B-52 model

[gleone]

It's not "open Friday" but I'm teaching tomorrow and wanted to send this off
  For those of you who were impressed by the jet powered model B-52 of
Gordon Nichols, in Britain, you might want to click on the link below and
click on the SECOND video of the very impressive crash.  This is the plane
that is nearly the size of the little KR!


http://www.stukastudios.se/b52.htm



"Michael Moore is living proof to never trust anyone who is bigger around than 
tall!"

KR> B-52 model

[gleone]

I' building the KR-1/-1B which has a 27 foot wingspan. LOL!!  I'm just a tad
shorter fuselage wise, though. 

"Michael Moore is living proof to never trust anyone who is bigger around
than tall!"
---Original Message---

From: larry flesner
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 02/03/05 16:56:37
To: KRnet
Subject: KR> B-52 model

> For those of you who were impressed by the jet powered model B-52 of
>Gordon Nichols, in Britain, you might want to click on the link below and
>click on the SECOND video of the very impressive crash. This is the plane
>that is nearly the size of the little KR!
>http://www.stukastudios.se/b52.htm
+++

What do you mean, "nearly the size of the little KR"?

I noticed the size listed. It's 21 feet long and 23 foot wingspan!

IT'S BIGGER THAN MY KR 

Larry Flesner



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KR> Yahoo! Photos - My KR2 S Project

[gleone]

 I like your fuel guage.  Where did you find that?
Gene Leone, Worland, Wyoming

---Original Message---

From: Glasseyegav
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 01/22/05 07:02:14
To: KR builders and pilots
Subject: KR> Yahoo! Photos - My KR2 S Project

Third time lucky.
Now I've activated public sharing.

Gav

http://au.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/glasseyegav/album?.dir=/a154

KR> Is a KR1 a LSA?

[gleone]

I'm building the KR-1B/-1 (both sets of wings) with fixed gear.  Specs (per
plans) are: 
Empty weight 484# 
Gross wt 800#  
Vne 144 mph 
Max Cruise 130 mph 
Maneuvering speed 120
Max Spoiler Flap extension speed 100 mph
Stall Spoiler Flap Extended 45 mph
Stall Spoiler Flap Retracted 38 mph

Not having the LSA figures at hand, I THINK the KR-1B would qualify.  But
that's my un-researched opinion.

Things like extending the landing gear speeds are NA as, like I said above,
I'm building it as a fixed gear bird.  Hope this helps.

Gene Leone, Worland, Wyoming

---Original Message---

From: Doug Rupert
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 01/07/05 15:13:25
To: 'KRnet'
Subject: RE: KR> Is a KR1 a LSA?

My guess would be that it would depend on the FAA inspector but I can't see
how any KR could qualify in the stall speed category. Personally I think
that building a KR to fit LSA requirements would be a daunting task at best.
Probably easier to just get a medical and fly under the old rules or look
into a different aircraft.
Doug Rupert



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KR> Mold release

[gleone]

I build custom rifles and when I inlet the stocks, I smear Turtle Wax (an
automotive paste wax) liberally all over the action before setting it in the
epoxy.  It takes only a mild tap with a leather mallet to release the action
from the stock.  It has never failed me in over 30 years of building rifles.
 It will work on the KR, as well.

"Michael Moore is a living example to NEVER trust ANYONE who's bigger around
than they are tall!"
---Original Message---

From: Donald Reid
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 12/18/04 14:20:41
To: KRnet
Subject: Re: KR> Mold release

At 01:07 PM 12/18/2004, you wrote:

>On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 12:06:20 -0500 "Jack Cooper"
> writes:
> > I was looking in Wicks catalog for mold release in planning to make
> > cowling from Marks cowling molds.
>
>You should be able to substitute a good floor wax with carnuba for the
>parting agent. The Mold Release is Poly Vinyl Alcohol (PVA). A quart
>should be enough to do several cowlings. Wax the mold up good, then
>paint the inside with PVA.


Hair spray is supposed to work in leu of PVA



Don Reid - donreid "at" peoplepc.com
Bumpass, Va

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KR> KR1 Washout

[gleone]

In building my spars on my KR-1, I used a digital level, protractor and a
laser level.  First, I ran masking tape down the length of the spars (main
and outer) and drew a center line on it.  Then, using the laser level, I
shot a laser line down the spar and on to the fuselage.  A piece of masking
tape on the fuselage with a line on it in line with the spar line makes for
a highly accurate alignment.  

On the main spars, it was simply a matter of setting the angle on the
digital level and bracing it with an  adjustable stand.  Then I installed
the outer WAF's.  The laser level makes a line down the centerline of the
spar (pre marked with tape and pencil) and ensures the WAF's align properly.
 The WAF's were LOOSELY bolted together for setting on the outer spars so I
could drill and mount them on the outer spars.  The digital level and laser
level were anchored to the spar so they didn't move.  Worked like a charm.  

Now, with regards to the rear spars, same procedure EXCEPT for the
protractor.  A little math confirms the angle (3 degrees) and shooting the
laser level down the spar and onto the fuselage provides a place to put
another chunk of masking tape and a reference line for the laser level line.
 As long as the laser line is on the fuselage mark, you're golden.  The
digital level ensures proper angle of the spar vertically.  

In both cases, keep the laser line on the reference lines on the spar and
fuselage.  Also, measure the distance between the spars at the end (outer
end) and it should match your outer rib.  

Finally, if everything is already built and closed, I would first go to the
local liquor store, buy a very LARGE bottle of Jack Daniels (preferred
Bourbon of us PRCA rodeo cowboys!), pour a healthy drink while looking at
the wing.  Drink another drink and continue wondering if it fits or not. 
Finish the bottle, go to bed and start a few days later on rebuilding the
outer wings.  Sorry, couldn't help myself there.  Perhaps someone else has a
plan to measure it after the wings are closed.  I can only help with before.
 BTW, I'm using 5046 airfoil on my bird and fixed, tricycle Diehl gear. 
Contact me off net and I'll try to find where in the bloody computer I have
the pictures of my spar building process (above) and I can e-mail them to
you.  Worked slicker than greased pig snot!

Gene Leone, Worland, Wyoming


"Michael Moore is a living example to NEVER trust ANYONE who's bigger around
than they are tall!"



Is there anyway to check the washout when the wings are finished ? Not sure
they were set right, If it's wrong is it easier to just start over new spars
ribs cover ect..

this is on a KR1 project...
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KR> KR1 Washout

[gleone]

I forgot to mention in my previous post, level the fuselage and block it in
place before doing this.  That may seem like a no brainer, but needs to be
mentioned.  Ensure the fuselage is level fore and aft and the spars are
level starboard to port.

Gene Leone, Worland, Wyoming

"Michael Moore is a living example to NEVER trust ANYONE who's bigger around
than they are tall!"

Is there anyway to check the washout when the wings are finished ? Not sure
they were set right, If it's wrong is it easier to just start over new spars
ribs cover ect..

this is on a KR1 project...
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KR> KR-3 twin

[gleone]

Just a guess on my part, wouldn't the main center spar have to be
considerably beefed up to carry the load of two engines?  We're talking a
LOT of weight here, especially if you're thinking of mounting a pair of
Covair engines on that puppy!  The holes for the engine mounts would be
quite a bit larger than those used for the WAF's.  That makes the spar
fairly thin above and below it.  Just an observation; not a criticism.

Gene Leone, Worland, Wyoming



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than they are tall!"
---Original Message---

From: Jim Sellars
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 12/24/04 07:49:54
To: KRnet
Subject: Re: KR> KR-3 twin

Chris:
I've always thought that it would be very cool to build a war bird
replica of the Mosquito, using a twin KR-2 as the plan under the skin. What
do you think? We could always use a couple of Corvair engines and get that
part of the KR family involved. Anyway everyone, have a great holidays, and
think of Peace.
Best regards
Jim Sellars
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Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 3:04 AM
Subject: Re: KR> KR-3 twin


>I drew up some really cool pictures of a Kr twin that I wanted to build. I
> wanted to use a set of 2.5 litter engines from Subaru and a gear reduction
> so
> they would run at higher rpm's. I've heard that Subaru's with gear
> reductions
> are like running a turbo props because they run so smoothly. Also one gear
> reduction would spin counter clockwise to eliminate the having a critical
> engine making it safer. I wanted to increase the cruse speed to about 250
> but I do
> not have the aerodynamic and engineering back ground to do so. I wouldn't
> be
> able to build the reduction dive to run backwards either not to mention
> the
> fact that I cant even finish the Kr that I have now much less design and
> build something almost from scratch.
>
> Chris Theroux
> Gilbert, AZ
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KR> spars

[gleone]

 LIke you, I don't trust the WAF's so I'm reinforcing them with carbon fiber
cloth.  Actually, I'm doing the whole spar with a layer of it and a double
wrap (12 inches deep) on the spar ends where the WAF's are located.  I think
this will put my mind at ease just a little.  

"Michael Moore is a living example to NEVER trust ANYONE who's bigger around
than they are tall!"
---Original Message---

From: John Lindner
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 12/01/04 17:01:59
To: KRnet
Subject: KR> spars

What's the common thinking about making the main spar one piece? I don't
mean a solid spar, just constructing the built-up spar 17' long(KR-1) insead
of doing it in three pieces. I'd like to do this for some peace of mind (I
don't completely trust the WAFs, and no amount of reasoning will convince me
otherwise).

I also plan to leave the wing one piece by not cutting it open in the first
place.

The archives seemed unhelpful for me on this issue.

Thoughts?

John Lindner
jrlind...@comcast.net

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KR> Spars and extra materials

[gleone]

I should clarify what I'm doing.  The CF will be on the spar and the WAF's
will attach as normal.  

Doing:   WAF-CF-SPAR-CF-WAF.   
NOT doing:  CF-WAF-SPAR-WAF-CF.

This arrangement will add strength to the spars where the WAF's attach yet
the WAF's will still have flex and can still be inspected.

Gene Leone, Worland, Wyoming

"Michael Moore is a living example to NEVER trust ANYONE who's bigger around
than they are tall!"
---Original Message---

From: Colin & Bev Rainey
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 12/02/04 02:11:15
To: KRnet
Subject: KR> Spars and extra materials

Netters
Search the archives and I am sure you will find a comment from one of the
more learned builders cautioning against randomly adding your own 
reinforcements" to assemblies with out first testing the results. The WAFS
have never failed when properly built, and I fly behind them and trust them
fully. The wrappings of carbon fiber I believe is a BAD idea. Many metals
gain their strength in their ability to flex with loads, not remain rigid.
If you stiffen the WAFs with carbon fiber, the mixing of the two materials
may lead to the initial loads being taken by the CF and then when it breaks,
abruptly load the WAFs instead of a gradual load causing them to be stressed
by a snapping shearing force instead of a tensile gradually applied load.
This sudden load may exceed the strength of the WAF when normally it would
not due to the sudden application of force. Also future inspection becomes
impossible and it is possible to then have what is now a BAD problem with
Long Eze and Var!
i Eze aircraft where the wing attach hardware is being found to have
corroded and allow the wing to fall off if not replaced. You would not be
able to see the corrosion buildup, until during pre-flight you noticed
excessive movement of the wing. What the builder did who built mine is he
extended the wood through the front WAFs so that the bolts travel through
the WAF AND the wood in order to connect the wings, making for as close to
solid wings as you can get with them still removable. Other areas of the
aircraft are going to give you problems way before the WAFs do, focus on
those areas, and don't try to re-invent the wheel. That part aint broke, so
don't try to "fix it".
FLY SAFE!
Colin & Bev Rainey
KR2(td) N96TA
Sanford, FL
crain...@cfl.rr.com
http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html
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KR> VW 2100

[gleone]

Another possibility is a larger carb'.  I seem to remember a discussion a
while back on the Type 4. Being the base engine is fuel injected, I would
think there are some high performance racing shops that might be able to
help in that area.  Nice thing about fuel injection is the reliability at
altitude.  I might be all wet so if I am, feel free to flame me.  (Hey, I'm
into whips and chains!)

Gene Leone, Worland, Wyoming 

"Michael Moore is a living example to NEVER trust ANYONE who's bigger around
than they are tall!"
---Original Message---

From: Orma
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 12/03/04 12:43:40
To: KRnet
Subject: Re: KR> VW 2100

Hello Jerry

I have a type 4, 2300. and my prior engine, 1910cc. Both engines had
trouble running over 3000 RPM. Joe at revmaster told me that a lot of the
larger engines have this problem. The solution is to add more fuel. That
may mean to add a fuel pump, or increase the mixture, to get it to increase
RPM. Now I don't have any problems going up to 2600 RPM.
Orma
Southfield, MI
N110LR celebrating 20 years
Flying, flying and more flying
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KR> Weight & Balance Calculator

[gleone]

Here's a link for a free weight and balance calculator.  You will have to
cut and paste the WHOLE  link and the actual "link" is at the bottom of the
page.  Read through it all first before clicking the link.  Meanwhile, I
think I have a freeware W Calculator somewhere buried in the bowels of my
computer.  I'll see what I can find.

Gene, Worland, Wyoming



http://www.pilotfriend
com/flight_training/weight%20and%20balance/Weight%20and%20Balance1.htm

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than they are tall!"
---Original Message---

From: Nieto, Daniel A (Dany)
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 11/15/04 12:04:58
To: 'KRnet'
Subject: RE: KR> Weight & Balance Calculator

again.with the attachment...I am sorry..

Daniel

-Original Message-
From: krnet-bounces+dnieto=lucent@mylist.net
[mailto:krnet-bounces+dnieto=lucent@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Mark
Jones
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 3:28 PM
To: KR Net
Subject: KR> Weight & Balance Calculator


I am tired of searching the archive. A long while back, someone posted a W
calculator which could be downloaded. This was a really nice one and on page
two was a prop speed calculator. Somehow I managed to hose up mine and the
program will not work properly now. If anyone has this or another one which
is good for the KR, please post it or send it to me. Thanks

Mark Jones
Mueller Sales Corporation
Ph: 262-781-5310
Fax:262-781-4130
E-mail: mjo...@muellersales.com 
Web: www.muellersales.com 


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KR> kr wing sets

[gleone]

Don,

It's really simple.  Using wax paper (or peel ply), cover the stubs and tape
in place using gorilla tape or waxed paper.  Then, build your outer wings as
normal.  Once the fiberglass work is done, cut as per plans.  The peel ply
or waxed paper will protect the stub from any "splash over".  If you're
concerned about the WAF's being dripped on by the resin, cover the exposed
part liberally with Johnson's Turtle Wax.  I'm building the KR-1 /-1B. 
Right now I'm building the -1 wings but come spring, I'll be building the
-1B wings.  And in both cases, I'm using the 5046 airfoil.  Enjoy!

Gene Leone,  Worland, Wyoming


---Original Message---

From: Don Chisholm
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 10/29/04 04:53:59
To: gle...@rtconnect.net
Subject: KR> kr wing sets

has anyone figured how to build wing sets separately
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KR> kr wing sets

[gleone]

Yes, tThey will be bolted to the center spars when I build the second set of
wings.  That is the reason for protecting the wing stubs with peel ply or
waxed paper.

Gene Leone, Worland, Wyoming.


---Original Message---

From: JAMES FERRIS
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 10/29/04 12:17:24
To: kr...@mylist.net
Subject: Re: KR> kr wing sets

Are you building the outboard panels attached to the center or building
them separate, detached from the center section?
Thanks
Jim
On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 05:38:40 -0700 (Mountain Standard Time) "gleone"
<gle...@rtconnect.net> writes:
> Don,
>
> It's really simple. Using wax paper (or peel ply), cover the stubs
> and tape
> in place using gorilla tape or waxed paper. Then, build your outer
> wings as
> normal. Once the fiberglass work is done, cut as per plans. The
> peel ply
> or waxed paper will protect the stub from any "splash over". If
> you're
> concerned about the WAF's being dripped on by the resin, cover the
> exposed
> part liberally with Johnson's Turtle Wax. I'm building the KR-1
> /-1B.
> Right now I'm building the -1 wings but come spring, I'll be
> building the
> -1B wings. And in both cases, I'm using the 5046 airfoil. Enjoy!
>
> Gene Leone, Worland, Wyoming
>
>
> ---Original Message---
>
> From: Don Chisholm
> Date: 10/29/04 04:53:59
> To: gle...@rtconnect.net
> Subject: KR> kr wing sets
>
> has anyone figured how to build wing sets separately
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@CHECK++ Re: KR> Full size plans

[gleone]

I assume you're talking about the fuselage.  I drew mine laying out each
station and then "connecting the dots".  Worked well.

---Original Message---


> What's a good way to transfer the paper plans from RR onto the work
> bench at full scale?

@CHECK++ KR> KR1B Plans

[gleone]

I bought the -1B supplement and I seem to remember they were $35 plus $5
shipping.  I got them a few months ago but don't have the exact figures in
front of me.  I'm fairly certain the above is the correct amount, though.

Gene Leone,
Worland, Wyoming 

"Whatever else history may say about me when I’m gone, I hope it will record
that I appealed to your best hopes, not your worst fears; to your confidence
rather than your doubts. My dream is that you will travel the road ahead
with liberty’s lamp guiding your steps and opportunity’s arm steadying your
way." - Ronald Reagan

---Original Message---

From: KRnet
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 08/22/04 21:22:28
To: KRnet
Subject: @CHECK++ KR> KR1B Plans

Everyone--

I'm curious enough about the Kr1b plans to purchase a set(I already have the
basic plans), but I can't find a price anywhere on the RR site. I tried the
archives, but no luck. I thought I remembered Mark L saying he just mailed
in a few bucks and got them. If anyone knows what I should do to get the
plans, please let me know. Thanks alot.

John Lindner

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@WL RE: KR> Plan #'s

[gleone]

 Does the word "thief" come to mind?  If you want to build a plane that's 
legaly (sic) considered to be not a KR aircraft", then (a) buy plans for
another "legaly. . .not a KR aircraft", (b) design your own based on a
balsawood kit, or (c), PAY JANNETTE FOR A SET OF PLANS AND STOP TRYING TO
FIND WAYS TO CHISEL HER OUT OF THE COST FOR THE PLANS.  The company is her's
now, has been for quite a few years, and since ONE set of plans is to build
ONE aircraft as stated in the plans package, either build something other
than the KR entirely or pay her for her plans.  This is not rocket science!

Gene Leone, Worland, Wyoming

"Whatever else history may say about me when I’m gone, I hope it will record
that I appealed to your best hopes, not your worst fears; to your confidence
rather than your doubts. My dream is that you will travel the road ahead
with liberty’s lamp guiding your steps and opportunity’s arm steadying your
way." - Ronald Reagan

---Original Message---

From: KRnet
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 08/19/04 06:00:00
To: kr...@mylist.net
Subject: @WL RE: KR> Plan #'s

Not being a lawyer I do not know for sure but it would seem to me that if a
plan is used to build a second airplane and there are many modifications as
there are on almost all KR aircraft built, then it's not a KR but the plans
were used as a guide for only a part of the building. What percentage of
deviation form the plans would have to be made in order to have the aircraft
legaly considered to be not a KR aircraft. Some of you guys who are lawyers,
please coment on this.



Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx

rsto...@hot.rr.com



---Original Message---



From: KRnet

List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 08/19/04 06:48:18

To: KRnet

Subject: RE: KR> Plan #'s



The Plan # is the serial number starting from day one when the plans were
put on the market. That is also your proof number if the FAA wants to check
back with RR that you have a legal set of plans. You are authorized to build
one KR using that set of plans and no more than one. It's in the copy write
laws and it is FAA policy to enforce this. If your FSDO checks on this, may
be another matter. The Book Number is the update version. So, if you have a
Book No. 82, that is the revision 82 edition. I got this info from personal
conversation with Jeannette Rand.



Sid Wood

Tri-gear KR-2 N6242

Mechanicsville, MD USA

sidney.w...@titan.com









>I am looking at my builders book and realized that I do not fully know

>what the hand scribed numbers at the top right of my book mean.

>On top is "# 6123" and on the bottom is "book 59". Does anyone

>have the correct meaning of the top number.



This is only an educated guess, but it is my understanding that RR

keeps the name and address of the original plans purchaser (and

possibly any known secondary) in notebooks in numerical sequence.

Since they are over 10K on the KR-2 / 2S that makes for a lot of

books. My basic KR-2 S/N is 9707, "Master File Book No.82".



Allen G. Wiesner KR-2SS/TD S/N 1118

65 Franklin Street

Ansonia, CT 06401-1240



(203) 732-0508



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@WL KR> tortional loads +early friday

[gleone]

I remember seeing a picture of a KR-2 with retractable tricycle gear.  The
problem is, I don't remember where.  Anyway, if anyone else remembers seeing
that picture and (hopefully when and where), you might want to track down
the builder of that plane and ask how he/she did it.  All I remember is it
was within the last year or two.  

Gene Leone, Worland, Wyoming

When you give a lesson in meanness to a critter or a person, don't be
surprised if they learn their lesson.
---Original Message---

From: KRnet
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 08/05/04 14:52:51
To: krnet
Subject: @WL KR> tortional loads +early friday

Hi KR heads
As some of you know, I am working on a full retract tricycle gear on my
rendition of a KR2S. Tonight I went to look at some wood for the forward
outer spars at a friend of mine who is a very respected person in the
experimental world over here.
I was discussing the retract system with him and he brought up a point that
I had not considdered at all. As my retract system requires that the bottom
wing skin of the stubwings be split basically from root to outboard end in
order for the gear to retract into the wing. This means that the bottom skin
will no linger be continuous between the spars.

My question is: What, if any, tortional loads does the skin carry under
normal conditions due to forces applied by ailerons, etc. and what effect
will the splitting of the skin in order to accomodate the gear have on wing
strength.

As a bit of background, my gear will consist of a 1.5" 4130 tube between the
spars supported each end by a bearing mounted in a piece of aluminuim that
bolts onto the spars by picking up the W.A.F bolts. To this tube will be
another 1.5" tube welded at 90* to it forming the gear leg. At the bottom of
this will be a trailing link arrangement with a damper. The tube between
the spars will be mounted almost at the outboard end of the stubwings and
the gear will retract towards the fuselage just clearing it to sit
completely inside the wing.

Any thoughts from those in the know will be greatly appreciated.
Thank you
next day:
On a less serious note, I was fortunate enough to have had the "WHISPER"
experience today. After work I was invited to go on a "test" flight for
about half an hour down the coast here. This plane is remarkable. I was
amased when Russell (the designer,builder ) let go of the stick
immediately as the tail came off the groung and the plane just took off and
flew straight ahead in a steady climb all by itself! Takeoff roll was less
than 80metres with a 13 knot headwind! Deploying the spoilers on final
brings the glide slope from 28:1 down to 8:1, feels like the seat has fallen
out of the bottom of the plane.
For more info see my signature line.
Dene Collett
KR2S-RT builder
Port Elizabeth
South Africa
mailto: dene.coll...@telkomsa.net
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@SPAM+++++ Re: KR> KR2S Sport pilot eligible???

[gleone]

For those who want to find the link mentioned by David, it's a little
convoluted getting there, but here's the link:

 http://162.58.35.241/aadatabase/login.asp

Gene Leone, Worland, Wyoming

When you give a lesson in meanness to a critter or a person, don't be
surprised if they learn their lesson.
---Original Message---

From: KRnet
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 08/08/04 08:54:45
To: Wesley Scott; KRnet
Subject: @SPAM+ Re: KR> KR2S Sport pilot eligible???

The way I read sport pilot, you can not change a aircraft design to meet the
requirements, the aircraft must be designed to be with in the range. Just
like no sport pilot aircraft can have a inflight adjustable prop or
retractable gear (unless it is a amphibian) because it will allow it to go
faster without airframe modifications or engine modifications. This is a
totally different regulation than everyone wanted or the EAA lobbied for and
don't let anyone tell you, really read this terrible piece of legislation
that you all wanted. For you guys who lost or denied a medical, you can
never apply for a sport pilot license...it plainly says it in black and
white...and if you think you are not in the computerwell go to the
FAA pilot registry online and do a search on your name and it will pop up if
you were denied or revoked a medical.


David Mikesell

- Original Message -
From: "Wesley Scott" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 9:16 PM
Subject: Re: KR> KR2S Sport pilot eligible???


> Empty weight doesn't make any difference (other than how many sandbags you
> put in the second seat during testing) since you have to meet the stall
> speed at max takeoff weight.
>
> The wing area needs to be increased by about 30 percent to get the stall
> speed down from 59 mph to 45 knots (or since the 59 mph assumes 1050 lbs
> gross, a lower gross weight).
>
> New starts may want to consider increasing the wing area, or NOT. Depends
> on how comfortable the builder is with aircraft design and test piloting.
> What we really need is a "standardized" wing design change and proof of
> concept plane.
>
> If the current version actually meets LSA, that means there will shortly
be
> a (hopefully large) increase in the number of available purchasers, with a
> corresponding increase in sales price.
>
> --
> wesley scott
> k...@spottedowl.biz
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Dan Heath" 
> > Wesley,
> >
> > Put in a 1700cc engine and build it as light as possible and you might
get
> > the stall speed down. No problem getting the VH with that power plant.
> Don't
> > even think about it with the bigger engines.
> >
> > But why not build one that is designed for that in the first place.
> >
>
>
>
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@WL Re: KR> Wing Question

[gleone]

Permanently fixed wings isn't a bad idea though it makes it a little hard to
transport it to and from where ever.  Also, since I'm building the KR-1/-1B,
I sort of need the ability to switch between both sets of wings.  Still,
there's nothing that says you can't make the wings a "permanent" part of the
plane and keep it at the airport.  Just sort of like the idea of being able
to switch out wings and not pay tie down fees.  Just my 2 cents worth.

Gene in Wyoming 

When you give a lesson in meanness to a critter or a person, don't be
surprised if they learn their lesson.
---Original Message---

From: KRnet
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 07/30/04 12:45:23
To: KRnet
Subject: @WL Re: KR> Wing Question

The folding wing does exist and looks fairly simple to install. I even won a
free set of plans some time ago. However, I decided that I would feel safer
with a permanent attachment rather than continually connecting and
disconnecting the wings. Just me.
Ray

ljhus...@wmconnect.com wrote:
I am almost ready for my KR to become a reality. I was wondering if the
folding wing ever came through. I know that there was some plans raffled off
and
I was wondering if there was a finished project or has it been scrapped. If
not, then how long does it take to remove the wings from a KR? Thanks

Larry Husky
Bentonville, AR
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@WL KR> Yipppeee!

[gleone]

 Yes, it's called the KR-1B.

When you give a lesson in meanness to a critter or a person, don't be
surprised if they learn their lesson.
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From: KRnet
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 07/23/04 20:47:30
To: KRnet
Subject: @WL KR> Yipppeee!

Just did my first three glider solos yesterday! Not quite as much fun as
the KR and not very practical for going places, but it is a heck of a lot of
fun and cheap flight time. Also pretty good emergency training when the
instructor pulls the release handle at 200' altitude over the trees past the
end of the runway and yells "rope break" and you have to do an immediate 45
degree bank 180 and land downwind. Not something I would practice in the
KR!

Hmmm, I have already extended the center section wing spars. I could extend
the outboard wings, move the seat forward a few feet, knock out the firewall
and just glass on a round nose, and put on a tow hook. KR-2SG for fun and
take the 172 when I need to go somewhere?

Seriously though, any of you other glider types out there know of any
homebuilt gliders with the same construction method as a KR? I would think
you could build one dirt cheap and prety quick. The club gliders rent for
only six bucks a flight, but they don't let you do cross countries or
aerobatics in them. Not really interrested in a motor glider. I have one
and a half powered planes already.

Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com


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@WL RE: KR> Tax appeal

[gleone]

This is a good strategy.  As I don't expect to be flying for another year or
so, I'm saving all the KR and similar planes auctions on e-Bay in Adobe
Acrobat.  This way they can all be printed out and presented to the taxation
nazis when they get around to putting a value on it; something that I
suspect would go a long way to proving the value of the bird in court if you
had to go that far.  If there's a legal type aboard, what are your thoughts
to that strategy?

When you give a lesson in meanness to a critter or a person, don't be
surprised if they learn their lesson.
---Original Message---

From: KRnet
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 07/23/04 08:45:54
To: KRnet
Subject: @WL RE: KR> Tax appeal

I've been looking for KR's for sale. Like you said, what people are asking
is not what they most likely will get. Once the e-bay auction ends I am
going to print that and send it along. Also, with having another KR on the
field listed as cheap as they do, I don't know how they can justify their
value.

Steve Glover
kr...@cox.net
KR-2 N902G
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@CHECK++ RE: KR> Tax appeal

[gleone]

Uh. . .hopefully you didn't take that personally, Mein Herr!  Sorry, couldn
t help myself!
Gene in Wyoming 

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surprised if they learn their lesson.
---Original Message---

From: KRnet
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 07/25/04 09:58:11
To: KRnet
Subject: @CHECK++ RE: KR> Tax appeal

As the local assessor, I applaud the strategy. I only
deal with real estate, thank God, but that is the same
strategy to use for real estate valuations. I like to
have the relevant values shown to me, because I deal
with a manual for mass valuations.

Larry Lipe, wannabe builder, Carbondale, IL
Makanda Township Assessor

I'm saving all the KR and similar planes
> auctions on e-Bay in Adobe
> Acrobat. This way they can all be printed out and
> presented to the taxation
> nazis when they get around to putting a value on it;



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@WL Re: KR> Pin out info

[gleone]

I needed a pin out for an EdoAire 563/A.  The avionics guy at the Greybull
airport pulled it up for me in his book of radio pin outs.   It's another
place you can check.

Gene in Wyoming

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surprised if they learn their lesson.
---Original Message---

From: KRnet
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 07/26/04 05:16:12
To: kr2coo...@earthlink.net; KRnet
Subject: @WL Re: KR> Pin out info

Jack,
Call these folks and they will send you one. They sent me one for my KX-99
free of charge.
https://www3.bendixking.com/Login06

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Wales, WI USA
E-mail me at flyk...@wi.rr.com
Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at
http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html


- Original Message -
From: "Jack Cooper" 
To: "KR builders and pilots" 
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 6:05 AM
Subject: KR> Pin out info


> Does anyone have or know where I can get the pin out schematics for a KX
170 navcom? I thought it was on RST engineering website at one time but have
been unable to find it now. I have also been watching ebay for a KX 170
manual.
>
>
> Jack Cooper
> kr2coo...@earthlink.net
> Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
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@WL Re: KR> law of unitended consequences/Sport Pilot

[gleone]

>also has a new of max 120 kts. and not just the stall.

If my memory serves me right, I think the KR-1B has a max speed of around
120. 

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From: KRnet
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 07/27/04 17:08:52
To: kr...@mylist.net
Subject: @WL Re: KR> law of unitended consequences/Sport Pilot

>From: babyw...@aol.com
I am wondering if there is any interest in getting donating some $ and
working on getting a wing design that will allow for the lower sport plane
stall speed?


Not even going to start the KRMotorglider thing as I sure there are going to
be a ton of new motorglider designs hit the market but remember, sport pilot
also has a new of max 120 kts. and not just the stall.



Dana Overall
1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host
Richmond, KY i39
RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
Finish kit
13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon.
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http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg
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@WL Re: KR> yet another AS debacle...

[gleone]

Mark, this is HAL.  My sensors tell me the communications antenna is going
to fail in 32.6 hours.   Would you like a stress pill, Mark?  

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From: KRnet
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 07/20/04 17:06:45
To: KRnet
Subject: @WL Re: KR> yet another AS debacle...

The saga continues. If you don't want to hear it, hit the DEL key now!

Shortly after my last diatribe, a couple of people emailed me privately to
assure me that screwups from AS were "isolated incidents" and that they'd
never had any problems. I wish I could say that too!

Saturday I recieved a cryptic notice in the mail from AS It had "please
return this portion with your remittance" stamped at the top in red ink, but
after a few minutes of studying the thing, I deduced that I didn't actually
owe them any money, they were just informing me that indeed they were going
to send me one of the ten things I'd ordered. Whew...that's a relief! I
wonder about the rest?

Today I came home to a message from AS asking me to please call them and
talk to their customer service folks. Apparently somebody forwarded them my
email message, and they wanted to smooth things over. I'm not sure what
they plan to say, but I assure you that no words will help convince me of
anything other than the place is in total chaos, and it's a miracle that
people ever actually recieve things they order from them. I called, waited
8 minutes for a human to answer (I'll bet I've never had to wait more than 8
SECONDS for people at Wicks to answer), and was told she was "unavailable,
call back later". I called back an hour later, and she's "stepped out to
the warehouse". I'm still waiting on her to return my call.

So I find a UPS box on the back porch, along with a Priority Mail envelope.
N56ML stickers are in the envelope, some other stuff in the box. I'm
clueless as to why they couldn't have both come in the same box, but then
I'm not a logistics expert. A careful examination of the box shows that the
position sensor (the thing that forced me to order from them in the first
place) WASN'T EVEN IN THE BOX! Why does that not surprise me? Because the
guy in CA told me he had one, but they didn't have one in GA, but the next
week they told me that everything I wanted was in GA, and they'd ship it.
Not only was it not in the box, it wasn't even on the invoice. And two
trim indicator labels that WERE on the invoice, and I was charged for, were
also NOT in the box. Hmm, another isolated incident I guess, but for me,
this is typical of any order I've placed with AS I just can't fathom how
flawlessly Wicks does their job, never skipping a beat, after several
hundred orders from me, and when I place one order a year with AS, it
invaribly turns into some kind of fiasco.

So AS just called, explaining that there must have been a computer glitch
or something, but that they were sure it was just an isolated incident. To
me, that's about four or five "isolated incidents" in one order, so I'm not
convinced! Supposedly they will now ship my position sensor from CA, along
with the two missing labels. We'll see.

So let's recap:

-it took them 20 minutes to tell me that they had something in stock
-they made me "confirm" by email or fax something that I'd ordered, like
maybe I wasn't sure?
-they told me it was all in stock, but on Monday they called to say the
switches were backordered
-they were supposed to ship it all on Monday, 3 day UPS red, but simply
forgot to EVER ship it
-they sent me an invoice telling me the thing I'd confirmed, was actually
going to ship
-the one thing I REALLY wanted, they left out of the box, and off the
invoice
-two more items were also not in the box, but I was charged for them anyway
-a three day order has now turned into a THIRTEEN day order

Yep, I knowI'm just a malcontent. Sorry for ventilating in your
direction. Whoever forwarded that last one to Jim Irwin is welcome to do
that again. It's been a while since I talked to him about this kind of
stuff anyway, and it looks like he could use another ear full...

Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL
N56ML "at" hiwaay.net
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@CHECK++ KR> 0200 Installation help please...

[gleone]

 The best thing to do there is ask Dan Deihl as he'd be the one who'd know
best.  I have a HAPI engine and mount and I know for the landing gear (nose
wheel) Dan has a gear assembly made for the HAPI.  He may have one for other
engines.  

Gene, Worland, Wyoming

When you give a lesson in meanness to a critter or a person, don't be
surprised if they learn their lesson.
---Original Message---

From: KRnet
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 07/18/04 23:41:02
To: KRnet
Subject: @CHECK++ KR> 0200 Installation help please...

Hello All,

Can anyone tell me if the engine mount for the Deihl accessory case mounts
up to an 0200/C85 or do I need to fabricate a new mount? I am considering
swapping out to the 0200 because I cannot seem to correct a major oil leak
on the back of my VW case...(No, it isn't the oil seal). I am looking at
all options so I can make the Gathering, to include converting to a new
Revmaster. Any ideas or suggestions???

Thanks,
Steve Glover
KR-2 N902G
AJO, CALIF.



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@CHECK++ RE: KR> Oil Leak

[gleone]

Steve,

It may or may not make a difference, but was the case align bored?  It's
been more years (decades, actually) since I last worked on a VW engine, but
I remember something about align boring the case during a rebuild for the
main bearings and I think (I could be wrong) that may affect the leaking
case issue.  Maybe someone more savy with current VW experience can answer
that.

Gene Leone, Worland, Wyoming

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surprised if they learn their lesson.
---Original Message---

From: KRnet
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 07/19/04 21:11:41
To: KRnet
Subject: @CHECK++ RE: KR> Oil Leak

Well... I spoke with Steve at Great Plains and Dan Deihl. Nobody has ever
experienced the problem I am having. When the last repair was made, we did
coat the gasket with permatex, installed a new flywheel and gland nut from
Steve at GP. THis time most of the gasket was still in place but it still
leaks like crazy. Richard Shirley and I removed the flywheel and mag drive
this afternoon. Here's what we found;

Initial inspection indicated the oil is coming from behind the gland nut
washer and around the dowel pin area. We removed the mag drive and Locking
mechanism for the gland nut. After the last repair, Richard machined this
nifty key lock mechanism with a new mag drive to prevent the gland nut from
loosening up. Before removing the gland nut, the prop hub and flywheel were
checked with a dial indicator and showed .003 run out. When removing the
gland nut we found it to be torqued to only 25 ft lbs. This is the part we
can't figure out. The gland nut was securely locked into place after
torqing to 217 ft lbs the last time it was assembled. The nut cannot turn
once the key is in place and was still in the locked position, however, the
nut was loose??? The dowel pins are well below the surface of the
flywheel. Inspection of the threads in the crank shaft showed they were
flattened a bit but engage the gland nut by around .020. It doesn't appear
that it is jumping threads under load.

The only thing we can do next is a complete tear down. I was dreading
this I'll keep you all posted just in case someone else has a similar
problem in the future...go figure I get to be the first!

Thanks for everyone's input...

Regards,

Steve Glover
KR-2 N902G
AJO, Ca



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@WL Re: KR> Spins?

[gleone]

 Ercoupes don't spin, either.

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surprised if they learn their lesson.
---Original Message---

From: KRnet
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 07/12/04 09:20:27
To: KRnet
Subject: @WL Re: KR> Spins?

At 03:03 PM 7/12/2004 +1000, you wrote:
>Dan Diehl once sold me he got his KR out of a Spin ???

Only the canard planes (mainly Rutan designs) won't spin. If you don't know
how to recover the KR, you have a reasonable chance of becoming one of the
statistics of those who die due to a low altitude spin. A few jets (T-38)
aren't spun because they flame out almost immediately, so the only recourse
is to punch out after 1.5 turns. The KR2 or S do not fall in either of
these categories. Nor is either model close to the short coupling of the
famed GeeBee of the 30's which made spin recovery nearly impossible.


Larry Severson
Fountain Valley, CA 92708
(714) 968-9852
lar...@socal.rr.com


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@WL KR> Harleys and auto engines

[gleone]

The BMW motorcycle engine is being used for light aircraft.   Actually, BMW
was making aircraft engines before they began building motorcycles.  The BMW
logo represents a spinning propeller.  Anyway, here are a couple of links
worth looking at:

http://www.ultralightnews.com/engineinfo/bmwconversion.htm
http://www.homebuiltaircraft.com/classified/AdDetail
aspx?itemid=153=+160






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From: KRnet
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 07/05/04 20:35:22
To: KRnet
Subject: @WL KR> Harleys and auto engines

Doug

I was not saying the motorcycle engines were a bad choice, just that a noted
author stated them too heavy for their output. The transmissions on them are
to allow for mechanical advantage so that they can accelerate they way they
do and perform, like any transmission. In all engine families there will be
exceptions to the rule. And as a side note when your Harley dies on the side
of the road, it will be me on my Yamaha cruiser riding by still going.

On you statement about auto manufacturers going down in power and output,
that is false. They have not only gone up in the last 10 years, but have
done so while still burning cleaner. I aplaud Hog Motors and hope they are
successful because I can't stand the apparent monopoly that the aircraft
engine people have. I am running a VW engine, but have another engine in the
skunk works to replace it that will stay in secret until the firewall
forward package is proven and complete.


Colin & Bev Rainey
KR2(td) N96TA
Sanford, FL
crain...@cfl.rr.com
http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html
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KR> Harleys and auto engines/BMW

[gleone]

I used to think the same thing about the BMW engine until I bought a BMW
R-75.  I could put my bare hand on the cylinder in the heat of summer and it
was cool to the touch.  Cooling is not much of a problem with the BMW. 
(Note:  BMW motorcycles are the ONLY BMW I would ever own!  Sorry if I
offended any BMW owners out there.)

Gene Leone, Worland, Wyoming

When you give a lesson in meanness to a critter or a person, don't be
surprised if they learn their lesson.
---Original Message---

From: KRnet
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 07/06/04 19:30:22
To: KRnet
Subject: @SPAM RE: KR> Harleys and auto engines/BMW

Go one step further and put the R1100 in. It produces up to 90 HP, and is
actually used in Microlights in Europe. If I can find the link I will post
it in one of the next messages.

My only concern with the use of a 2 cylinder engine is the cooling however.
After all, the excess heat needs to be dissipated through a much smaller
surface area compared to the likes of a VW or a Corvair.

Any thoughts on that?

Wolfgang

-Original Message-
From: krnet-bounces+wdecker=cox@mylist.net
[mailto:krnet-bounces+wdecker=cox@mylist.net]On Behalf Of gleone
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 12:22 AM
To: kr...@mylist.net
Subject: Re: @WL KR> Harleys and auto engines


The BMW motorcycle engine is being used for light aircraft. Actually, BMW
was making aircraft engines before they began building motorcycles. The BMW
logo represents a spinning propeller. Anyway, here are a couple of links
worth looking at:

http://www.ultralightnews.com/engineinfo/bmwconversion.htm
http://www.homebuiltaircraft.com/classified/AdDetail
aspx?itemid=153=+160





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KR> Taxes

[gleone]

Telling lies to avoid taxes is one way to go to jail. 

When you give a lesson in meanness to a critter or a person, don't be
surprised if they learn their lesson.
---Original Message---

From: rfreiber...@swfla.rr.com; KRnet
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 06/29/04 10:55:19
To: KRnet
Subject: RE: KR> Taxes

Telling Lies is one way to avoid taxes.

Ron Freiberger
mailto: rfreiber...@swfla.rr.com

-Original Message-
From: krnet-bounces+rfreiberger=swfla.rr@mylist.net
[mailto:krnet-bounces+rfreiberger=swfla.rr@mylist.net]On
Behalf Of fixerjo...@aol.com
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 11:17 AM
To: kr...@mylist.net
Subject: Re: KR> Taxes

the way to aproch the tax on a new homebuilt is to tell the the
tax collector
that the homebuilt you are regestering is plansbuilt & the tax
was paid on
the parts & material as you built it! there is no tax due on
regestration this
way,,:-)
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KR> Foam type

[gleone]

Alex,
One thing to consider about foam is Styrofoam will dissolve in gasoline.  If
you can, see about getting Polyurethane foam.  Baring that, you might want
to consider making (having made) aluminum fuel tank(s).  

Gene Leone, Worland, Wyoming



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From: KRnet
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 06/16/04 08:32:04
To: gle...@rtconnect.net
Subject: KR> Foam type


Dear KR-netters,

After much time spent on the foam issue decided to ask for helping to all of
you.
Here in my country (Europe) the only available foam for me is Dow blue
extruded Styrofoam.
It has a VERY-VERY small cell structure and I am not sure if I could use
such kind of foam
in wing construction since I am afraid about delaminating. I had seen many
types of foam
used by all of you (on your sites), some of you seems to use such kind, but
I am not sure.
There is no question about other type of foam with relative large cell
(1-2mm), just fill the cell with micro
and the laminate. How in case of tight cell, the epoxy is not absorbed at
all by my foam, so the laminate
Is just glued on. But on the specimens I had done it is very easy to tear
off the laminated fiberglass.
May be I am not right, may be in a large an closed structure as wind is
every thing will be OK?

The question is, may I send to some one of you (who will accept) some
specimens of my foam
just for appreciation, is it the same type as you have there in USA or not.
Or may be some one understand me right what type of foam I am referring to
and will explain me a little bit more about.

With best regards,
Alex Birca,
Moldova

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KR> boat question

[gleone]

SAND THE LONGERONS!  DO NOT NOTCH THEM!! 

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surprised if they learn their lesson.
---Original Message---

From: KRnet
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 06/17/04 06:40:50
To: gle...@rtconnect.net
Subject: @CHECK KR> boat question

I am installing the top cross members on the boat. The 5/8 x 5/8 piece that
sits on top of the top longerons about 4" back. Since the sides angle, it
does not sit flat on the longeron. Should I notch that cross member or sand
the longerons level like you do for the bottoms? Thanks for any advice.
Jim

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KR> boat question

[gleone]

Another method of strengthening the firewall is to add aluminum angle (1x4)
and glassing it in.  Like you, I'm a little adverse to raining debris and
body parts all over the Big Horn Basin of Wyoming.

Gene Leone, Worland, Wyoming.

When you give a lesson in meanness to a critter or a person, don't be
surprised if they learn their lesson.
---Original Message---

From: KRnet
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 06/16/04 13:15:32
To: KRnet
Subject: @SPAM+++ RE: KR> boat question

Jim,
My thought is you will want all the strength in the longeron that is
available. So don't sand anymore than absolutely necessary, especially at
the fire wall area. Some builders, I have observed on their websites, have
added extra plywood on the inside top and bottom of the fuselage sides to
beef up the firewall attachment. These builders are using the bigger engines
for increased performance. I am using a 2180 VW and have 3-inch wide
1/4-inch plywood at the top and 2-inch wide 1/4-inch plywood at the bottom.
The floor from the firewall to the main spar is 1/4-inch plywood inside for
added strength (and for big feet per the KR-2 plans suggestion). All these
added plywood pieces are gusseted into the firewall frame. Perhaps this is
overdone, but I want to avoid a citation from the EPA for littering the
landscape with old KR-2 bits and pieces. Environmental cleanups are getting
so expensive these days...
Sid Wood, KR-2 N6242
Mechanicsville, MD USA
sidney.w...@titan.com

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Of James Leverton
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 2:31 PM
To: kr...@mylist.net
Subject: KR> boat question

<< File: ATT29349.txt >> I am installing the top cross members on the boat.
The 5/8 x 5/8 piece that
sits on top of the top longerons about 4" back. Since the sides angle, it
does not sit flat on the longeron. Should I notch that cross member or sand
the longerons level like you do for the bottoms? Thanks for any advice.
Jim

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@SPAM+++ KR> ELT Antenna

[gleone]

 As long as you don't use carbon fiber on the fuselage, you'll be fine
mounting any or all of your antennas inside the airframe.

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surprised if they learn their lesson.
---Original Message---

From: KRnet
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 05/22/04 14:56:49
To: KR Net
Subject: @SPAM+++ KR> ELT Antenna

Is there ant reason not to mount the ELT antenna inside of the fuselage vs
having it mounted external?

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Wales, WI USA
E-mail me at flyk...@wi.rr.com
Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at
http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html

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KR>new airfoil instructions- Adjustable H/S

[gleone]

If you have pictures of Corby (or the builder of the KR with one), I (and I
m sure others) would very much like to see the setup.  Thanks in advance,

Gene in Wyoming

When you give a lesson in meanness to a critter or a person, don't be
surprised if they learn their lesson.
---Original Message---

From: KRnet
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 05/10/04 03:59:54
To: KRnet
Subject: Re: KR>new airfoil instructions- Adjustable H/S

Mark Wrote
Somebody needs to build an adjustable h/s and
prove the best angle, kinda like I'm going to do with the AS5046.

I had a look at a newly finished Corby Starlet a few weeks ago, it is just
about to have its Cof A done.
They have a beaut Adjustable H/S, it has four alum brackets and bolts
through from top to bottom
( two each side of the fuse. and adjustable by shims front or rear.
very neat and simple.

Phil Matheson
mathe...@dodo.com.au
VH-PKR ( reserved)
61 3 58833588

See our VW Engines and Home built web page at
http://www.vw-engines.com/
www.homebuilt-aviation.com/


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@SPAM++++++ KR> KR2S Specs - thanks

[gleone]

 Maybe I've missed something here, but isn't the Vne 200 mph  Why would
anyone want to drive it  beyond Vne?

When you give a lesson in meanness to a critter or a person, don't be
surprised if they learn their lesson.
---Original Message---

From: KRnet
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 05/02/04 16:13:18
To: 'KRnet'
Subject: @SPAM++ KR> KR2S Specs - thanks

Troy Petteway's KR2 massaged 0-200. His plane will do more than
220 mph

Steve Alderman has a similar plane...radical 0-200 engine ... will push
220 mph

...


Really glad someone asked - I like the answer. I accept that a quick KR
will take some dedication and compromise - but it can be done - thanks.

Both were using the old section (at the time) - maybe the new sections
make it a tad easier.

I was surprised at the exaggerated elevator trim on Steve Aldermans
(yellow) airplane in one of the pics from the attached URL - anyone know
why?

Steve J




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KR> Re:

[gleone]

 Sorry, it's a program that intercepts and sorts the mail and puts different
"things" in the subject line.  I forgot to delete that part of the subject. 
The program is SecretMaker and is free (they accept donations but it's not
necessary to use the thing).  What it does is list messages as "spam" when
they are received from a group.  Another notation is "@WL" which is the 
white list".  Anyway, this program eliminates 99% of all my "popups" as well
as all the spam I used to receive.  I'll try to remember to edit the 
subject" line.  The link for the program is www.secretmaker.com, if anyone
is interested.

When you give a lesson in meanness to a critter or a person, don't be
surprised if they learn their lesson.
---Original Message---

From: KRnet
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 05/02/04 18:19:05
To: kr...@mylist.net
Subject: @SPAM KR> Re: $SPAM++

Gleone,



Do you suppose you could do something about this subject line



" @SPAM++ "



There is a time for building and a time for flying, and the time for
building has long since expired.



See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics



Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC



See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering



See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org



---Original Message---



From: KRnet

List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 05/02/04 20:11:21

To: kr...@mylist.net

Subject: Re: @SPAM++ KR> KR2S Specs - thanks



Maybe I've missed something here, but isn't the Vne 200 mph Why would

anyone want to drive it beyond Vne?



When you give a lesson in meanness to a critter or a person, don't be

surprised if they learn their lesson.

---Original Message---



From: KRnet

List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 05/02/04 16:13:18

To: 'KRnet'

Subject: @SPAM++ KR> KR2S Specs - thanks




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@SPAM+++++++++ RE: KR> KR 2 for sale

[gleone]

 The easiest way to pull it up is to go to eBay and do a search on "KR 2". 
It will pull up about 21 items with the aircraft towards the bottom.

Why is Chelsea Clinton so homely? 

Because Janet Reno is her real father. 
---Original Message---

From: KRnet
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 04/26/04 17:15:47
To: gle...@rtconnect.net
Subject: @SPAM+ RE: KR> KR 2 for sale

Is it someting bad with the link ???or it is already sold ??...

Danny

-Original Message-
From: Kevin Angus [mailto:kan...@talkcycle.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 11:35 PM
To: KRnet
Subject: RE: KR> KR 2 for sale


Bet it goes for around $6,500 - It's at $3,550.00 now (2030 MST, Sunday)
with 4 days and 18 hours left
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem=63677
=2475624695=1=WDVW

-Original Message-
From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On
Behalf Of Stephen and Janet Henderson
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 6:49 PM
To: KRnet
Subject: KR> KR 2 for sale


Hello everyone,

There is a KR 2 for sale on ebay. It needs a little work. The current
bidding is up to $2,025.

Steve Henderson


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@SPAM+++++++++ Re: KR> AS504x airfoil

[gleone]

Thanks for the info'!  I just wanted to be sure before building it.

Gene Leone,
Worland, Wyoming


---Original Message---

From: KRnet
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 04/19/04 16:55:10
To: KRnet
Subject: @SPAM+ Re: KR> AS504x airfoil

Gene Leone wrote:

> I'm building the KR-1. The 504x airfoil has been
> discussed for the KR-2S. How compatible, I wonder, is this airfoil with
the
> KR-1?

The AS504x certainly wasn't designed for the KR-1, but it can't be any worse
match for it than the RAF48 is. I would expect the same decrease in drag,
with other performance staying the same. The KR2S and KR-1 both used the
same airfoil, so I would think that's your first clue that the AS504x should
work with either one as well.

Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL
N56ML "at" hiwaay.net
see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford



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KR> Elevator Mass Balance mounting / Bingelis

[gleone]

 J,

Like you, I agree the vne would seem balancing the elevator is overkill, but
there is the possibility of flutter before reaching vne.  Some things I
think are overkill but when it's on the side of safety, I tend to shoot for
overkill.  That's just me.  I just have this thing about raining body parts
and debris all over the Big Horn Basin.  Hell, most my family, friends and
neighbors have already started writing my eulogy!  My two pennies worth!

Gene Leone, Worland, Wyoming



Why is Chelsea Clinton so homely? 

Because Janet Reno is her real father. 
---Original Message---

From: KRnet
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 04/13/04 07:27:30
To: gle...@rtconnect.net
Subject: @SPAM+ Re: $SPAM RE: KR> Elevator Mass Balance
mounting / Bingelis

Just wondering but why would people Counter-balance their elevators because
of a bigger engine when you still can not exceed the VNE of 200mph?

J
- Original Message -
From: "gleone" <gle...@rtconnect.net>
To: <serge.vi...@ate-international.com>; <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: @SPAM RE: KR> Elevator Mass Balance mounting / Bingelis


> I couldn't get the second link to work but found an interesting one here:
>
> http://www.fly-imaa.org/imaa/hfarticles/howto/v6-1-36.html
>
> Gene Leone, Worland, Wyoming
>
> Why is Chelsea Clinton so homely?
>
> Because Janet Reno is her real father.
> ---Original Message---
>
> From: serge.vi...@ate-international.com; KRnet
> Date: 04/12/04 04:09:34
> To: 'KRnet'
> Subject: @SPAM RE: KR> Elevator Mass Balance mounting / Bingelis
>
> Here is the link to Old Tony's articles
>
> http://members.eaa.org/home/homebuilders/authors/bingelis/
>
> ... and the one about flutter.
>
>
http://members.eaa.org/home/homebuilders/authors/bingelis/How%20to%20Mass%20
> Balance%20Control%20Surfaces.html#TopOfPage
>
> Serge Vidal
> KR2 ZS-WEC
> - Taildragger, VW powered (2.4 liter, dual electronic ignition)
> - Total aircraft time: 390h
> - Aircraft hangared at: Orleans, France
> - Pilot moaning in: Tunis, Tunisia
> E-mail: serge.vi...@ate-international.com
> <mailto:serge.vi...@ate-international.com>
>
> I wish I could find the URL to the original articles by Mr. Bingelis who
> (in my opinion) does know what he is talking about. In the interim,
> this extract from one of two articles (by Tony) that I have on the
> topic. I do not remember any copyright restrictions - I tend to look
> for and respect such warnings.
> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
>
>
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KR> AS504x airfoil

[gleone]

 This probably something Mark Langford could answer but will gladly accept
any knowledgeable input.  I'm building the KR-1.  The 504x airfoil has been
discussed for the KR-2S.  How compatible, I wonder, is this airfoil with the
KR-1?

Gene Leone, Worland, Wyoming

Why is Chelsea Clinton so homely? 

Because Janet Reno is her real father. 
---Original Message---

From: KRnet
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 04/16/04 07:19:42
To: gle...@rtconnect.net
Subject: @SPAM+ Re: KR> AS504x airfoil

You can also type in X/Y coordinates to modify a copy of an included
airfoil. Just key over what's there to put in the coordinates for some
airfoil not in Profili and it will render that airfoil.

-Lloyd Schultz
=
Stephen Jacobs wrote:

> >> I figured steve was talking through his neck - P51 wing section
> >> oh yeah - well I the P51 section is there and I did the
> >> comparrison he recommended - P51 against the AS 5046 - amazing
> similarity
>
> Hey Monkey - no upper case on your KB
>
> Was gonna comment on your great spelling ability but what the hell - I
> am really glad you looked at Profilli - great eh.
>
> Note that the software will let you draw the spar positions /depth
> /width etc and plot them out in any size scale.- even the skin.
>
> Cheers
> Steve J
>
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@SPAM++++++++ RE: KR> Elevator Mass Balance mounting / Bingelis

[gleone]

 I couldn't get the second link to work but found an interesting one here:

http://www.fly-imaa.org/imaa/hfarticles/howto/v6-1-36.html

Gene Leone, Worland, Wyoming

Why is Chelsea Clinton so homely? 

Because Janet Reno is her real father. 
---Original Message---

From: serge.vi...@ate-international.com; KRnet
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 04/12/04 04:09:34
To: 'KRnet'
Subject: @SPAM RE: KR> Elevator Mass Balance mounting / Bingelis

Here is the link to Old Tony's articles

http://members.eaa.org/home/homebuilders/authors/bingelis/

... and the one about flutter.

http://members.eaa.org/home/homebuilders/authors/bingelis/How%20to%20Mass%20
Balance%20Control%20Surfaces.html#TopOfPage

Serge Vidal
KR2 ZS-WEC
- Taildragger, VW powered (2.4 liter, dual electronic ignition)
- Total aircraft time: 390h
- Aircraft hangared at: Orleans, France
- Pilot moaning in: Tunis, Tunisia
E-mail: serge.vi...@ate-international.com


I wish I could find the URL to the original articles by Mr. Bingelis who
(in my opinion) does know what he is talking about. In the interim,
this extract from one of two articles (by Tony) that I have on the
topic. I do not remember any copyright restrictions - I tend to look
for and respect such warnings.
please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html


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KR> Staple Size

[gleone]

If it's a Diehl nose gear, it should be fairly strong.  If it's home built. 
 .well.  Also, if it's a Diehl and it collapsed, it is possible the owner
didn't install it properly.  The best thing to do is ask the seller how he
did the nose gear in.  i.e.:  Did he come in hot and plant the nose before
the mains?  Did he run off the runway/taxiway and/or hit some "thing" with
the nose?  I'd mainly want to know how and why the nose gear collapsed. 
Just my two pennies worth.  The weather is finally cooperating and I'm back
to work on my little KR-1.

Gene Leone, Worland, Wyoming



Why is Chelsea Clinton so homely? 

Because Janet Reno is her real father. 
---Original Message---

From: KRnet
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 03/31/04 06:53:34
To: gle...@rtconnect.net
Subject: Re: KR> Staple Size

Trying to decide between tail dragger and nose wheel. The kr on ebay and a
Kr
near by both have collapsed nose wheels.. Is the tri-gear prone to porposing
or is it a weak link?
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KR> Virii/worm

[gleone]

I hate to perpetuate this thread, but between yesterday and today, my ISP
intercepted 13 viruses headed my way and 6 of which had bogus KRnet
addresses.  And rather than denigrate "blood suckers" (hey, leaches and
mosquitoes and biting flies and gnats have feelings too, you know!), call
them what they really are, bottom dwelling pond scum suckers.  

Gene Leone, Worland, Wyoming


Why is Chelsea Clinton so homely? 

Because Janet Reno is her real father. 
---Original Message---

From: KRnet
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 04/02/04 19:19:46
To: KRnet
Subject: RE: KR> Virii/worm

Remember that emails on the list are archived on web sites. Type your name
in Yahoo and it will bring up at least one KRNet digest with messages you
wrote to the net in it. Blood sucking virus makers and spam mailers crawl
web sites and harvest email addresses.

Not that your virus might not have been from someone on the list, but it is
more likely that your email address got harvested. That is why it is
normally a waste of bandwith to warn everyone on the list when you think you
got a virus from the list.

Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com

-Original Message-
From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On
Behalf Of Alex Swavely
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 7:36 PM
To: KRnet
Subject: KR> Virii/worm


Someone on this list is infected with a virus/worm. I know this because
the virus sent the message to the email address I have set up
specifically for this mailing list.

If you have a cable modem and your isp is Rogers Communications, you
should scan your system.

If you don't currently have an antivirus program, or you are unsure of
your AVS update status, you can visit http://housecall.symantec.com for
a free, online (java) virus scan.

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KR> O T

[gleone]

I'm building a KR-1 and there are others flying.  As for what they should
sell for depends on where it's at in construction, what comes with it and
wether or not the toad you sacrificed was really virgin.  Pricing is
subjective: Sellers think it's worth more than buyers are willing to pay. 
That having been said, I bought a KR-1 kit on eBay for $1551.  A week later,
I bought a ground looped KR-2 COMPLETE for $1000.  Another KR-netter wanted
the wings so I sold him those for $150.  I'm using most of the '2 to build
the KR-1 including the Diehl fixed gear, Cleveland wheels and brakes, HAPI
engine and mount, instruments, etc.  

As for the BD-5. . .I had a very bad experience with the original company
under jim bede  O T

Can any one tell what price a KR1 should sell for? Is the KR1 another BD5.
30
years in the making and unable to fly?
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KR>Balancing

[gleone]

 I do a lot of reloading and I cast a lot of lead.  Your local tire shop is
a very good source for lead and they may, as in my case, give it away.

---Original Message---

From: Orma Robbins; KRnet
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 03/19/04 23:27:03
To: Allen G. Wiesner; KRnet
Subject: Re: Re:KR>Balancing

literally dirt cheap

If you want lead real cheap, then go the the local gas station and pick up
an old battery. drain the acid, wash out the case, cut the case, take out
the lead, melt it down, take out the bits you don't want and pour the molten
lead into what ever shape you want.

As a kid we used to make fishing weights. Caution, lead is poison.
Breathing the fumes can cause brain damage.

Rather then mess with old lead spend the money and buy the lead shot.
handle with gloves.

Orma L. Robbins Southfield MI
19 Years flying KR-2 N110LR
http://www.aviation-mechanics.com


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KR>Brakes

[gleone]

 For syringes, the best place to go is to your local feed and tack store,
Litton's Big R, etc.  You'll find them in the veterinary section.  I have a
couple of 50cc ones for first aid use for my dogs.  As an aside, one once
got into some antifreeze and I had to administer 50cc of hydrogen peroxide
to get her to vomit.  Trust me when I say the 10cc ones got to be a lot of
fun about the third syringe full.  I still have teeth marks in my thumb and
forefinger as I tried forcing her mouth open.  


---Original Message---

From: KRnet
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 03/14/04 13:11:01
To: KRnet
Subject: KR>Brakes

Netters,
After talking off net with Larry Flesner and Dan Heath, I rebuilt the left
caliper of my Cleveland Brakes. It went very well, very simple and works
better than the right side! I had talked to Larry & a friend of his
(forgotten his name) and they instructed me to refill the system from the
bottom instead of from the top. This was echoed by the head A at Avion who
I was able to get the part for at cost, the O-ring, so I was able to
eliminate wait time. They also let me buy some brake fluid off of them at
cost. Great guys! Re-filling became the next order of business. I check for
syringes at local drugstores got me ALOT of weird looks and no help. I ended
up at Advance Auto Parts as much to lick my wounds as look for something
that would work. Wandering around the store I saw a couple of potentials,
until I saw The MixMiser tm. This little plunger assembly is for measuring 2
cycle oil into gas cans, but was perfect for bottom refilling of the brakes.
It has great capacity, and adapter tubing for extxø

Colin & Bev Rainey
KR2(td) N96TA
Sanford, FL
crain...@cfl.rr.com
or crbrn9...@hotmail.com
http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index
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KR>Clorox on old wood

[gleone]

It shouldn't hurt the epoxy but it will bleach the wood.  I've used it on
full military rifle stocks soaked in cosmoline.  On the stocks, it took
hours of sanding to get the color to show again but it didn't hurt the wood.
 Only took out the cosmoline and the color.

---Original Message---

From: KRnet
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 03/14/04 11:43:29
To: kr...@mylist.net
Subject: KR>Clorox on old wood

I checked the archives on this but couldn’t get a definitive answer to the
use of Clorox on plywood.

I have 20 year old KR project that has some moisture damage to the boat (my
site will show you what stage I’m in: http://home.comcast.net/~rickcoy/RAF
html).

Some of the varnish is worn away and some of the stains look like they might
be some kind of mould. Is Clorox safe on glue joints? Do I use it full
strength, then rinse -- or leave it on?

Rick Coykendall
KR2
San Francisco Bay Area
rick...@yahoo.com

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KR>Turbo-alternator

[gleone]

 Actually, you can make one for less by using a 12 DC motor.  For instance,
an electric fan motor for a car can be built into such a container and used
to generate electricity to keep the battery charged in flight.  

---Original Message---

From: Ron Eason; KRnet
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 03/14/04 15:39:30
To: KRnet
Subject: KR>Turbo-alternator

http://www.basicaircraft.com/product_bpe14.htm

This is a interesting product. Turbo-alternator.

Ron


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KR>Turbocharging a KR

[gleone]

 I believe there's an OXYGEN requirement above a certain altitude.  

---Original Message---

From: KRnet
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 03/08/04 17:05:06
To: Ron Eason; KRnet
Subject: Re: KR>Turbocharging a KR

I understand the theory and mechanics of turbocharging.
What I don't know is if a Turbo KR can or is certified to
fly at 17500 or higher(there is always the problem of
aircraft limitations).
Joe

- Original Message -
From: "Ron Eason" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 3:51 PM
Subject: KR>Turbocharging a KR


> Here is some thoughts.
> The Advantages of Turbo-Normalizing
>
>
>
> Normally aspirated engines suffer from reduction of manifold pressure as
> they climb, which pilots compensate for by pushing in the throttle. At
> about 7,500 feet the engine runs "out of throttle". As the altitude
> increases, the manifold pressure decreases and the plane slows. Flying
> higher becomes more and more inefficient.
>
> With a turbo-normaling system providing sea level air pressure for
> combustion all the way to high altitude, the loss of power and speed is
> delayed until reaching "the critical altitude". With the my Turbo system,
> critical altitude is 20,000 feet, or so. Advantageously, the air speed
> increases as the skin friction of thinner air density decreases. High
> altitude capability allows the pilot the choice of:
>
> a.. Topping the weather
> b.. Avoiding turbulence
> c.. Maintaining terrain clearance over mountains
> d.. Seeking more favorable headwinds
> e.. Catching tail winds
> f.. More enjoyable clear air and sunshine
> g.. Navigation and communications is better --- longer line of sight
> h.. Obstacle clearance and mountain turbulence, generally 10,000 ft in
the
> East and 16,000 feet in the West.
> i.. Safety advantage of altitude: 12,500 to 17,500 have least traffic
> j.. Added safety in an emergency from greater glide time. Area for
> landing increases as the square of the range
> At 6,000' glide is about 7 minutes, 12.5 miles
>
> At 12,000' glide is about 14 minutes, 25 miles
>
> At 18,000' glide is about 21 minutes, 37.5 miles
>
>
> Faster speeds mean less engine time, less avionics time and the
probability
> of less maintenance
>
> Faster speeds mean greater range with the same amount of fuel
>
> High flight makes available smoother ride, colder air -- less icing risk
>
> [ I am also using fuel injection and ECU to manage the timing and
> pre-detonation problem.]
>
> That's my thoughts.
>
> KRron
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "joe" 
> To: ; "KRnet" 
> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 5:16 PM
> Subject: Re: KR>Turbocharging a KR
>
>
> > What gains, useful load; cruise spd etc does turbo give you(also
> operating
> > altitude)
> > Joe
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Brian Kraut" 
> > To: "Orma Robbins" ; "KRnet"
> 
> > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 3:20 PM
> > Subject: Re: KR>Turbocharging a KR
> >
> >
> > > Dan Diehl did some good articles on turbocharging the VW. I can't
> > remember exactly where I saw them. I think it was in some of the old KR
> > newsletters that are available online. Anyone remember exactly where
the
> > articles were?
>
>
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KR>Widening fuselage?

[gleone]

I"m building a KR-1 and I'm widening my fuselage about 3 inches including
the firewall.  I'm doing that for several reasons: the obvious being a
little more room in the cockpit.  Also, I will have a slightly wider fuel
tank and I'm building it a little taller, too, as I don't want wing tanks. 
I haven't computed the actual numbers yet but I hope to pick up about 4-5
gallons in the process.  Now that the weather is starting to get better, I'm
about to get back into the actual construction of my bird.  Meanwhile, I'll
be building my instrument panel for later installation based on the widened
cockpit and increased height of the cowl.  Visibility won't be much affected
as I'm building a tri-geared bird.  

Gene, Worland, Wyoming
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List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 02/27/04 20:43:30
To: krnet
Subject: KR>Widening fuselage?

Hello, new builder here. I was wondering when widening the fuselage 4 inches
does a person need to widen the firewall
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KR>old photos

[gleone]

What ever you are sending, so far has resulted in several blank messages. 


Gene Leone,
Worland, Wyoming
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List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 02/22/04 08:32:42
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Subject: KR>old photos





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KR>Rubber Grommets

[gleone]

 Try Radio Shack.

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Date: Friday, February 13, 2004 5:09:15 PM
To: KR Net
Subject: KR>Rubber Grommets

Does anyone know where I can buy rubber grommets with a groove width of 1/4"
, 3/4" ID for a 1" hole? I bought some from a table vendor at Airventure but
need more. Thanks

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Wales, WI USA
E-mail me at flyk...@wi.rr.com
Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at
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KR>Firewall protection - latex paint?--Website???

[gleone]

 The only question I would have about this in place of the normal firewall
is what will your inspector say?  It's a novel idea, and I'm not arguing
against it, but depending on the inspector, he might be of the "olde school"
and the poster boy of anal retentives.  That being said, I can see where
this would be a great thing to use on the cockpit side of the firewall and
cockpit, for sure.  Having my firewall materials in hand, this would make a
nice added layer of protection.  I notice it comes in black or white and can
be tinted to pastels only (5% tint).  White works well for me and since the
plane will be painted anyway, it would also make a great way to help protect
the aircraft should an engine fire erupt.  Thanks again for the link.  This
is interesting stuff!

Gene Leone
Worland, Wyoming

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Charles De Gaulle's funeral. Truer words were never spoken! 

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List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 8:30:47 PM
To: KRnet
Subject: Re: KR>Firewall protection - latex paint?--Website???

Thanks!

Ron

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To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 7:58 PM
Subject: Re: KR>Firewall protection - latex paint?--Website???


> http://www.contegointernational.com/
> - Original Message -
> From: "Scott Cable" 
> To: "KRnet" 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 3:53 PM
> Subject: Re: KR>Firewall protection - latex paint?--Website???
>
>
> > Do you have a website for this company?
> > --- Ed Janssen  wrote:
> > > Netters: I read this note on another list regarding
> > > firewall protection -
> > > interesting:
> > >
> > > ...here's another idea for the board. A couple years
> > > ago, there was a thread
> > > on this board about Fiberfrax and other types of
> > > fire-retardant treatments
> > > for firewalls. I did some investigation, and found
> > > many companies that
> > > either make, or supply, water-based fire retardant
> > > paints (basically "latex"
> > > type paint) for the construction industry. Most of
> > > them are in the
> > > $50-$75/gallon price range and can only be purchased
> > > in gallons. I contacted
> > > Contego International by email, and was contacted in
> > > return by a nice fella
> > > named Tony Scott, who was vice-president of
> > > something or other, I don't
> > > exactly remember right now. Anyway, he arranged to
> > > ship me a quart of their
> > > product, along with a test paddle and a demo CD, and
> > > the stuff is really
> > > amazing. Cost me 17 bucks, including shipping. I
> > > foam brushed/rolled 2 coats
> > > of it on the inside of my cowlings and the entire
> > > engine compartment. They
> > > recommend topcoating it with your regular paint, so
> > > I used 1 coat of the DTM
> > > over it.
> > >
> > > I tried a propane torch on the test paddle that they
> > > sent me with the can of
> > > paint, basically it was a piece of wood that had
> > > been dipped in the stuff. I
> > > held the flame directly on it for several minutes,
> > > and it did NOTHING to the
> > > wood! As I said before, amazing stuff..certainly
> > > easier than fabricating
> > > a metal covering, a lot lighter, and you can protect
> > > the fiberglass
> > > cowlings, too.
> >
> >
> > =
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> > KR-2S # 735
> > Wright City, MO
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> >
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KR>nylon bolts

[gleone]

 Actually, Turtle Paste Wax works well.

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Charles De Gaulle's funeral. Truer words were never spoken! 

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List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 3:46:41 PM
To: KRnet
Subject: Re: KR>nylon bolts

WD-40 would contaminate the composite. Use a real
release agent or non-contaminating wax.
Any Hardware store that carries the Hillman Line of
fasteners has these nylon bolts.
--- dpurdu...@caldwellmfgco.com wrote:
>
> Would a shot of WD 40 as a release agent help
> removal?
larry severson

Where did you get the 8/32 nylon bolts?

One method you can use when floxing your anchor
nuts is to hold
them in place with nylon bolts or screws. They can
be easily removed after the flox is cured. I'd
suggest a bolt as it gives you better gripping power
for removal than a screw slot in the head.



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KR>KR-2S & 150 hp Franklin : These 7 things

[gleone]

With regards to, "I fail to understand what exactly is the benefit of an
aircraft
engine over an automotive conversion."

The greatest disadvantage is insurance.  There was a recent post about
someone trying to insure their KR and found insurers are not fond of most
auto conversions.   


Gene Leone
Worland, Wyoming

"This is a great day for France!" --President Richard Nixon while attending
Charles De Gaulle's funeral. Truer words were never spoken! 

---Original Message---

From: serge.vi...@ate-international.com; KRnet
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Friday, January 09, 2004 8:29:10 AM
To: 'KRnet'
Subject: RE: KR>KR-2S & 150 hp Franklin : These 7 things

It beats me. I fail to understand what exactly is the benefit of an aircraft
engine over an automotive conversion. Certified aircraft engines are
overpriced, fuel-guzzling, noisy, tricky and unreliable beasts. They lag 70
years behind automotive technology, and due to the cost of certification
that prevents anything better from showing up, these engines will keep
contributing to the high cost of flying. Any car manufacturer producing
engines that heavy on cost, maintenance and fuel, and so unpractical and
unreliable, would be out of the engine business pretty soon.

The next step in general aviation engines is coming now: turbo-diesel
engines. Extremely low on fuel, burning Jet-A1 rather tha Avgas, torque at
any RPM, low revs...What a dream! And if you think this is not good enough
for aircraft, well, two have already been certified: one made by Renault
(France), the other by Thielert (Germany), two very well known names in the
Formula 1 car racing industry...

There is also a successful amateur conversion in France: the Dieselis, that
has been happily flying for 5 years now. Engine taken from an Opel Corsa. So
successful that I have read somewhere that it is now produced as a kit
somewhere in Eastern Europe.

My KR2 is just powered by a 2.4 liter VW based engine, but at least, I have
dual electronic ignition (taken from a motorcycle), rather than magnetos
borrowed from our great-great-grandfather's cars.

Go Diesel, my son!

Serge Vidal
KR2 ZS-WEC
400 hours flown on VW power
Tunis, Tunisia

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From: krnet-bounces+serge.vidal=ate-international@mylist.net
[mailto:krnet-bounces+serge.vidal=ate-international@mylist.net]On
Behalf Of VIRGIL N SALISBURY
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 20:48
To: kr...@mylist.net
Cc: kr...@mylist.net
Subject: Re: KR>KR-2S & 150 hp Franklin : These 7 things


NO, Too much, Virg

On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 10:46:59 -0800 (PST) Scott Cable 
writes:
> KRNetters
> OK, hear me out on this one for one second:
> First remembering that the KR is one of the easiest
> aircraft to modify, and there has never been a KR
> crashed due to a structural failure.
>
> The KR has a double 5/8ths spruce Upper Longerons, a
> single 5/8 ths lower longeron. 3/32nd plywood outer
> skin, and 1/4 inch plywood firewall support structure.
> What if:
> 1.) Added an additional 5/8 piece to the upper
> Longerons
>
> 2.) Double the lower longerons aft to behind the rear
> spar and add 2 ea 5/8th intercostals from the
> firewall to the front spar.
>
> 3.) Instead of a 3/32 plywood floor between the
> firewall (under the rudder pedal support) and the
> front spar, use 1/4 inch 45 degree bias plywood.
>
> 4.) Add a 3/32 plywood inner skin from the firewall to
> the instrument panel, and 1/4 inch lower firewall
> gusset (like the existing upper gussett in the 2S
> plans) and a 1/4 inch plywood doubler on the
> inner forward and rear faces of the front spar.
>
> 5.) Add 18 inches to each wing to increase the wing
> span by 3 ft (from 23 to 26) (additional wing area
> to handle the increased engine weight)
>
> 6.) Increase the rudder / vertical stab area by 25%
>
> 7.) Increase the landing gear strut thickness by 20%
>
> By doing these 7 things, the KR-2S should be able to
> handle the additional loads imposed by a heavier,
> more powerful engine.
> Essentially, I've created a torque box on the belly,
> and fuselage sides. This should come close to
> doubling the load carrying ability of the fwd
> structure.
> The added structural weight would be less than 30
> pounds. For a total increase in gross weight of 67
> pounds (over a corvair or Subaru).
> I think a weight gain of 67 pounds, with the benefit
> of 30 more useable horsepower, and a gob more torque
> is reasonable. Another benefit is it's a aircraft
> engine.
>
>
>
> =
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> KR-2S # 735
> Wright City, MO
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KR>Edo-Aire question for the net

[gleone]

I just acquired an Edo-Aire 563 (used but supposed to work).  The problem is
there is no wiring diagram for installing it.  Does anyone have an Edo-Aire
563 or other Edo-Aire all in one Nav/Com's I can get a copy of the
installation wiring diagram from?  I hate to have to go to an A to get it
done as they tend to charge an arm and leg.  Thanks in advance,

Gene Leone
Worland, Wyoming 



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Charles De Gaulle's funeral. Truer words were never spoken! 

KR>KR static system el cheapo

[gleone]

The one I'm building is right out of the "VolksPlane" assembly manual. 
Epoxy a 1.5" x 1.5" x .75" block of spruce to the fuselage frame, drill a 
25" hole through it and the skin.  Using .25" nylon tubing, run it into the
block (should press fit into block).  For the static port (this is my
favorite part!), epoxy a disk made from an aluminum can over the hole and a
small hole in it.  I like the idea of using a Coors label.  It's "different"
looking and gives it a unique touch!  If you don't like Coors, use Foster's.
 If you don't drink at all, use a Pepsi or Coke label.   

"This is a great day for France!" --President Richard Nixon while attending
Charles De Gaulle's funeral. Truer words were never spoken! 

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List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Sunday, January 11, 2004 10:03:19 AM
To: KRnet
Subject: Re: KR>KR static system el cheapo

The rivet called out, .42BS, only has a grip length of 1/8". Seems
you would want something longer, like a 46 (3/16" grip) or 48 (1/4" grip).
This size might work on 0.020" aluminum but it looks a little short for
3/32" plywood. I would insert the rivet after applying a little epoxy/flox,
pull just enough to start a flare on the end (or maybe not pull at all) and
knock the mandrel out.

Ken Jones
Sharonville, OH



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KR>Edo-Aire question for the net

[gleone]

 Thanks for the help, everyone.  I was able to get a copy of the
installation diagrams e-mailed directly to me.

Gene Leone
Worland, Wyoming

"This is a great day for France!" --President Richard Nixon while attending
Charles De Gaulle's funeral. Truer words were never spoken! 

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From: KRnet
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Saturday, January 10, 2004 6:17:59 PM
To: krnet
Subject: Re: KR>Edo-Aire question for the net

In the past I did some avionics installs and used a avionics supplier in
Florida. ( Eastern or Southern Avionics I think. They advertise in trade a
plane.) In most cases I did not buy all or even many of the radios from them
 This does not mean they won't help you. I have bought some pre-wired
harnesses from them with the one end unwired. The cost was much less than I
could do it for, and did not cost much more than the parts cost. They build
harnesses every day, and seem to fly through them. I asked them to send the
pin-out diagram for the install and they were most helpful. You could ask
them how much it would cost to build a pigtail harness, or if they would
just supply the pin-out. As far as the A well I won't go there

- Original Message -
From: gleone
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 3:43 PM
To: kr...@mylist.net
Subject: KR>Edo-Aire question for the net

I just acquired an Edo-Aire 563 (used but supposed to work). The problem is
there is no wiring diagram for installing it. Does anyone have an Edo-Aire
563 or other Edo-Aire all in one Nav/Com's I can get a copy of the
installation wiring diagram from? I hate to have to go to an A to get it
done as they tend to charge an arm and leg. Thanks in advance,



Gene Leone

Worland, Wyoming







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KR>Re: KR Radios

[gleone]

 If memory serves me right, you want this link:
www.rst-engr.com 

I may be having, as my sister would say, "a senior moment" but I think that
s the link you're looking for.

Gene Leone, Worland, Wyoming


We contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a
man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle. 
--Winston Churchill 
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List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Thursday, December 11, 2003 5:32:49 PM
To: KRnet
Subject: KR>Re: KR Radios



Does anyone have the address or phone number/web adderess for , RST
electronics?
Thanks
Tim



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KR>Vacuum Source

[gleone]

 I found a site where one fellow built his venturi into the wing root.  It
makes for an extremely neat installation.  Now, if I can find the pictures,
I'll send them to you but it may be a while.  If this jogs anyone else's
memory, and you have those same picts, please feel free to contact Scott.

Gene, Worland, Wyoming

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From: KRnet
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 11:29:52 AM
To: kr...@mylist.net
Subject: KR>Vacuum Source

Netters,
I'm looking for a cleaner way of mounting a 4 in
vacuum venturi. It appears that Steve Jones' setup is
effective, as far as providing ample vacuum, but I
think there's gotta be a cleaner way to do this.
Has anyone placed the venturi inside the cowl and
provided an inlet and exhaust for it?
Inside the cowl would provide several advantages:
1.) Less drag
2.) Less prone to icing
3.) Ram air from prop would provide vacuum signal
sooner?

Could a vacuum pan set-up provide enough vacuum to run
vacuum powered instruments? A Smog check valve is
placed perpendicular to the exhaust flow, with the
check valve opening facing downstream. This provides
enough vacuum to evacuate the crankcase of fumes,
enough power to run instruments?

If both of these systems were plumbed, would it have
enough redundancy to use with out electrical
instrument back-up?
What are other KR's that flying (or close to it)using?

=
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KR-2S # 735
Wright City, MO
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KR>Vacuum Source

[gleone]

Hah!  I knew I wasn't going completely senile!  (I've seen d' Nile several
times!)  I found the link!  The pictures aren't the best but the article
goes through it step by step.  

 http://kr.abshier.org/newsletters/nl50.html

Enjoy!

Gene Leone, Worland, Wyoming

---Original Message---

From: KRnet
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 10:03:56 PM
To: kr...@mylist.net
Subject: Re: KR>Vacuum Source

If you find the pictures of the venturi in the wing root... please e-mail
them to me also!!!

Thanks
John S. Monday
KR2S
Laguna Beach, CA
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KR>Vacuum Source

[gleone]

 Here is the link for the venturi built into the wing root.  The nice thing
about it is it's "free weight" if not "negative weight".  Enjoy,

Gene Leone, Worland, Wyoming

http://kr.abshier.org/newsletters/nl50.html

---Original Message---

From: KRnet
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 7:43:23 PM
To: KRnet
Subject: Re: KR>Vacuum Source

I would to see those pictures of venturi in the wing root also.

Mike Turner
KR2WS
Jackson, Mo
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From: jsmon...@aol.com
To: kr...@mylist.net
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 11:03 PM
Subject: Re: KR>Vacuum Source


If you find the pictures of the venturi in the wing root... please e-mail
them to me also!!!

Thanks
John S. Monday
KR2S
Laguna Beach, CA
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KR>New KR owner

[gleone]

 Stan,
I am building a KR-1 and am curious how much Jim Evans extended the wings. 
Please contact me off net at gle...@tritel.net.  Thanks!

Gene


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From: KRnet
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Friday, November 28, 2003 7:00:04 PM
To: kr...@mylist.net
Subject: KR>New KR owner

Hi,
I just bought a KR-1 from the estate of James Evans of
California (owner/builder) and talked to Jeanette
right after. She is open, just call her. This Kr-1 is
a beauty: Turbo Revmaster 2100, extended wings, new
main fixed gear, total 34 gal. fuel, pilot relief
tube, 1190 gross/550 empty, painted metallic silver
with WW2 stars & bars insignia's. She hasn't flown
since 1998 so I am slowly getting her ready. I have
been on your list for about a month now and must say I
find it most informing.
Stan Campbell
N8020B
Reno, Nevada

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KR>Masking off a piano hinge

[gleone]

If you cover it COMPLETELY in paste wax (i.e.: Turtle Wax),  the epoxy wo=
n't
stick to it when it drips or runs onto it.  I've used that for years
inleting and bedding rifle stocks.  =0D
=0D
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 =0D
From: KRnet=0D
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Saturday, November 29, 2003 6:24:06 AM=0D
To: KRnet=0D
Subject: KR>Masking off a piano hinge=0D
 =0D
> I=B9m looking for a better way to mask off a piano hinge before I glass=
 it=0D
>to my cowl.=0D
>Jim Morehead=0D
+++=0D
 =0D
Jim,=0D
 =0D
I haven't tried it but you might try coating the part of the hinge you=0D
don't want the epoxy to touch with Vasoline or something=0D
similar that will clean off after the epoxy is cured.=0D
 =0D
I floxed several hinges, my belly board for one, and was just extra=0D
careful not to get the epoxy in the hinge pin area. Careful is=0D
not always good enough though as that stuff migrates when you=0D
turn you back. :-)=0D
 =0D
Good luck.=0D
 =0D
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KR>Re: KRMagneto point gap settimg

[gleone]

 I tried finding a link for www.sacairparts.com and come up blank.  Could
you post the correct link?  Thanks,

Gene in Wyoming

---Original Message---

From: KRnet
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 7:05:24 AM
To: kr...@mylist.net
Subject: KR>Re: KR>Magneto point gap settimg

Good Morning Mac and the netters!
It is the points! I got a buzz box on them and it worked out the the
left points were bad. New ones ordered from Sacromental (sic) airparts.
They have a LARGE amount of info on mags including the D3000 series on
my revmaster sacairparts.com
Thanks All
Brian G. Douglas
N8575C KR2 (TD) Killeen Texas

PS Has been out of service about 18 months
>
>> cannot get a spark out of the magneto.
>> __Hi Brian, You don't say how long the mag's been out of service I
> bought a Revmaster that had been in its box for 10 yrs, the mag points
> had scaled up to a significant degree but I didn't see it at first ,when
> I chipped the scale off, she fired up like a good'un .The gap should be
> .016" according to my Bendix manuel. Good luck, Mac KR G-BVZJ
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KR>KR Newsletters

[gleone]

 Jim,

When you get time, please give me a shout off net at:
gle...@tritel.net.  
I notice you live in Rapid City.  live in Worland, Wyoming, and wanted to
touch base with you on our mutual KR progress.  

Thanks,

Gene

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From: KRnet
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Saturday, November 15, 2003 9:02:21 PM
To: kr...@mylist.net
Subject: Re: KR>KR Newsletters

In a message dated 11/15/03 7:07:09 PM Mountain Standard Time,
n5...@hiwaay.net writes:

<< As for websites disappearing, I'll bet my wife leaves mine up and running
long after I'm gone, so you'll have plenty of opportunity to save it disk or
print it out... >>

Would this be an idea for another KR type CD??

Jim Hayward
Rapid City, SD

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KR>Painting tips

[gleone]

 Check Sport Aviation.  It recently had an article on painting and how to
avoid orange peeling.

---Original Message---

From: KR builders and pilots
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 4:14:29 AM
To: kr...@mylist.net
Subject: Re: KR>Painting tips

Bill,

What is the best way to avoid "orange peel"?

N64KR

Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC

da...@kr-builder.org

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KR>altimeter stopped working

[gleone]

 If memory serves me right, the cheapie altimiter is made in china.  My
philosophy on aircraft instruments is much as my philosophy on motorcycle
helmets: if you have a $10 head, buy a $10 helmet.  For ANY instruments
going into your plane, stick a crowbar in your wallet and spend a few extra
dollars and get a good, working instrument.  My 2 cents worth.

Gene Leone in Wyoming

---Original Message---

From: KR builders and pilots
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Friday, September 19, 2003 18:40:10
To: KR builders and pilots
Subject: Re: KR>altimeter stopped working

Geday Darren

Same thing happened to me using the same AS cheapie. I was continually
resetting the Kollsman winow using the small screw on the bottom left side
front. Finally I sent it to Brisbane (Stan Mears) for repair. He said it was
a known problem, there is a service bulletin out about it, and that the
bellows needed replacement. Cost nearly as much again to fix. I've learn't
to stay away from the AS cheapies since my airspeed indicator failed also on
first flight (went to zero just after takeoff).

Cheers


John and Janet Martindale
29 Jane Circuit
TOORMINA NSW 2452
AUSTRALIA

ph: 61 2 6658 4767
email: johnj...@chc.net.au
- Original Message -
From: "Darren Pond" 
To: "KR builders and pilots" 
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 10:25 AM
Subject: KR>altimeter stopped working


>
> Hi All
> My Altimeter has stopped working after 2 years of seating in the
instrument
> panel waiting for the first flight. Well the first attempted flight got
> canned due to lack of altimeter setting ability. This is one of the
aircraft
> spruce $110 model. Good to 10k. It has worked ok and seem to be settable
buy
> pressure mercury inches but now reads out by 200ft and inches of mercury.
I
> lightly applied both vacuum and pressure to the static port and the needle
> flickers.
>
> Any suggestions? I some how doubt there is a warranty after this amount of
> time.
>
> Darren Pond
> CF-VML Taylor mono plane
> C-GGGW KR2
>
>
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KR>Glue joints

[gleone]

Using a Dremell with a small rotary file works very well in removing the
excess epoxy without damaging the joint.  Just remember to wear a mask. 

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From: KR builders and pilots
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Sunday, September 14, 2003 16:36:44
To: KR builders and pilots
Subject: Re: KR>Glue joints

Hi Gavin.

Definetly clean up excess glue before it sets up. If you wait till it cures
and then chip if off, it's not only a lot of hard work, messy when you're
finished, and you run the risk of shattering the joint!

As for your spar, laminate it up in 1/4" sections or so. 1" thick laminates
would be too thick and you would have spring back after you pulled the
finished layup off the form.


mailto:pjohn...@voyageur.ca


> Hi all,
> I've started to lay the timber out ready for gluing the fuselage sides,
and was wondering, what's the best way to clean up excess glue from the
joints?? Am I better to wipe it off while still wet? or am I better to let
it dry and chip it off? Which is less messy and most successful?
>
> Gavin
>
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KR>KR 4 sale

[gleone]

 Bill,

You have no need to apologize to these people.  Too many of them take
themselves far, far too seriously when nobody else does.  I'm sure their
projects are so perfect and totally without flaw that they have earned the
right to sit at the right hand of God himself.  Now, for the rest of you
critics sitting out there, let me tell you a little story about myself.

I used to be very much like you, then on August 6, 1989, my whole life
changed.  I had been recently baptized a Christian and was pointing my
finger at other Christians and their mistakes.  Unless you're a roper, you
will have at least three fingers pointing back at you when you point at
someone else.  Being an amateur radio operator living in Cheyenne, Wyoming,
at the time, I got on the emergency weather net due to a major thunderstorm
rolling into Cheyenne at the time.  It was very electrical and dropped
nearly 3 inches of rain and small hail in about 20 minutes.  To read the
rain gauge, I had to go outside.  There were constant flashes of lightening
and an endless roll of thunder.  In a moment of pure genius, I thought, "I'd
better disconnect my radio station before it gets hit by lightening."  While
holding the coax in my left hand, my right hand was on my very well grounded
Drake TR-4 and my feet on the cement floor of the basement.  The next thing
I remembered was waking up some 15 feet from where I'd been standing, numb
and temporally paralyzed, lying on the floor looking up at the ceiling
wondering if I were dead or alive.  After a few moments, I was able to pick
myself up and realized I really was alive.  I stopped taking myself
seriously and living solely for myself at that point and began living only
for others.  

Now, if you're wondering what this has to do with Bill and his KR he sold,
and sold for a price that was reasonable for both him and the buyer, here it
is.  Visit your local Ace Hardware store.  Buy an Ace all metal kite, a long
 fine spool of wire and wait for the next thunderstorm to come rolling
through to fly it.  It couldn't hurt.  In some of your cases, it could only
help.  Don't take yourselves so seriously: Nobody else does.

---Original Message---

From: KR builders and pilots
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Saturday, September 06, 2003 23:16:39
To: KR builders and pilots
Subject: Re: KR>KR 4 sale

the kr is sold so i will let you think what ever you
want. people like you are always right so i will tell
you that your right and that i am sorry i steped on
you toes.




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> William,
> It is for sale and therefore out in the open to be
> evaluated; that is what people do in order to buy
> it.
> I don't want to sound antagonistic, but if it is
> such a chariot, why are you selling it?
>
> The original retracts are known for problems, are a
> bad design to try to retract them on climbout, while
> maintaining aircraft control, and any paint job that
> is $300 is an Earl Schibe/Maco special, that will be
> thin, heavy, low quality paint that will not last.
> Several KR netters have reported prices for their
> prep work prior to painting where they have invested
> more than that, and they furnished their own labor!
> If I am not mistaken Larry Flesner reported spending
> nearly that much on super fill and primer alone. I
> am sure that you are very proud of your airplane,
> and you have put into it alot of hard work. But
> aircraft, specifically homebuilts are not like used
> cars, that start at a base price because everything
> appears to work. Several netters including myself
> have bought new 0 time airframes complete for what
> you are asking for an older airplane that does not
> have some of the later refinements and improvements.
> I am sure that at some point there will be someone
> who agrees with your assessment of its value. Dan
> Heath stated what he thought an appropriate value of
> it was and I merely agreed with him, and stated why.
> I did not intend on offending you, nor insulting
> you. But your reaction does leave something to be
> desired to sway my opinion in your direction.
> However, as always this is my opinion, and I stand
> corrected by anyone who performs an inspection in
> person and finds me to be wrong...
> Colin Rainey KR2(td)
> crain...@cfl.rr.com
> Sanford, Florida
> FLY
>
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KR>Question

[gleone]

 There is a powered sailplane version of the KR-1, I believe.  If I can find
the link, I'll send it along to you as the builder did a really GREAT job of
building it with folding wings.  Meanwhile, since most of the posts here do
anything EXCEPT religiously following the plans, there is no reason why you
can't extend the wings.  Just don't go overboard as a longer wing changes
your wing loading and the stresses on your wing spars.  I'm building a KR-1
and am extending the wings a couple of feet either directly or through
winglettes (still undecided which way I want to go: Mainly a transport
question).  I have also widened the fuselage 4 inches.  These are the two
major planned modifications I'm making.  There will probably be others as I
progress with the bird.  You can contact me direct if you want at:
gle...@tritel.net.  

Gene  

---Original Message---

From: KR builders and pilots
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Sunday, August 17, 2003 7:09:53 PM
To: kr...@mylist.net
Subject: Re: KR>Question

Glide ratio, good enough DO NOT EXTEND THE WINGS. do not think
more docil
it will fly great, Virg

On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:59:55 +1000 "SCOTTIE" 
writes:
> Hi,
> I have just acquired a kr2 kit and have a couple of questions.
> - What is the glide ratio of the kr2
> - if wings can be extended ?
> - Information on handling please
>
> If it would make it a little more docile hoping someone can help.
> thankyou.
> Scottie
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KR>Question

[gleone]

 Larry,

The easiest way is to spend a little extra buying longer wood. 
Alternatively, you could add 12 inches to the wing spars.  The standard KR-1
wing is 17 feet long with wood enough to build it 17.5.  Adding a foot to
the spar will give nearly a 20 foot wingspan.  Winglettes will work, too.  I
m running a dry wing and only the header tank.  Finished, I expect the plane
to be within 50# of the design weight.


---Original Message---

From: KR builders and pilots
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 18:40:40
To: KR builders and pilots
Subject: Re: KR>Question

I would be interested in how you are adding the wing length.

At 08:20 AM 8/18/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>I'm building a KR-1
>and am extending the wings a couple of feet either directly or through
>winglettes (still undecided which way I want to go:
>Gene
>
>
>
>---Original Message---

Larry Severson
Fountain Valley, CA 92708
(714) 968-9852
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KR>Question

[gleone]

 The winglettes become your wing tips so you're in a good position to add a
couple of feet to the wings.  

---Original Message---

From: KR builders and pilots
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 22:00:43
To: KR builders and pilots
Subject: Re: KR>Question

Unfortunately, I am working with a standard KR2 wing built, except for the
wing tips. I will have to come up with alternatives.

>The easiest way is to spend a little extra buying longer wood.

Larry Severson
Fountain Valley, CA 92708
(714) 968-9852
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KR>Ailerons / epoxy/flox

[gleone]

Another technique that works is to use a paste car wax.  Liberally smear it
onto the bolt threads and screw them in place.  When I bed rifle actions, I
use an epoxy material and the only way to keep the bedding screws (bolts,
actually) from becoming "one with the action" is to use the "Turtle Wax
approach".  It's worked for me for years on literally over  hundreds of
rifle actions.


---Original Message---

From: KR builders and pilots
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Sunday, August 10, 2003 23:48:34
To: KR builders and pilots
Subject: Re: KR>Ailerons / epoxy/flox

Larry that is a terrific idea!

I used masking tape over the holes then drilled through,
but nylon bolts is a better idea.

> >If you attach with rivets, I have a method for that, otherwise, proceed
> >with the flox attachment process that you have been doing. For that
process
> > I would use a disposable pan head, 8-32, a little longer that the
> >permanent screws, to hold it in place while it cures.
> >Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC
> +
>
> Nylon bolts the same size as the steel bolts you intend to use work
> great for holding blind nuts or nuts buried in foam in place while
> the epoxy/flox sets up. They hold the position, keep the resin from
> getting into the threads, and the resin does not stick so they are
> (usually) simple to remove. Nylon hardware with a bolt head, rather
> then a screw head, works best as it gives you more gripping power.
>
> Your results may vary! :-)
>
> Larry (KR painted, wings going on today) Flesner
>
>
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KR>(no subject)

[gleone]

 That's interesting as I get 40 pictures on each 1.4 meg. floppy disk. 
Obviously you're not using a Mavica.  The pictures I get are standard JPG
format and excellent quality.  I have been using mine to document my
construction.  As for the size of the camera, it's very compact.  Before
criticizing it, check it out and you might be surprised by the quality of
both the camera and the pictures it produces.  As for the builder interested
in the camera, I bought mine refurbished off the net.  I paid about $150 for
it two years ago and have used it along side my 4x5 view camera, my
Hasselblad 2 1/4 and several Pentax 35 mm cameras.  For the price, it's one
fine camera!  Check out the net for refurbished ones and save a bundle!


---Original Message---

From: KR builders and pilots
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Sunday, August 03, 2003 20:37:09
To: KR builders and pilots
Subject: Re: KR>(no subject)

> I bought a Sony Mavica for the school library, mainly because it uses
> standard floppy disks.

That's probably great for a library, where you might not "get out" much, but
out in the field, the 1.44M of disk space that a floppy offers will only
save two of my pictures! I bought a 256M Flashcard for 30 bucks a few
months ago, enough to yield 440 pictures at the highest resolution my camera
can shoot! A USB card reader is normally something like 20 bucks, but I got
mine free from some company just for buying another card earlier.

The floppy dictates a large squarish footprint for the camera too, and some
funky ergonomics, I suspect. Maybe miniCD is better. Can't say, not
knowing!

But I'm all for the Olympus Camedias too. The 360L or 390L or whatever it's
up to these days. I started out with their first one (and several others)
and it was the best by far of the ones I tried. Olympus seems to care about
image quality more than most.

I wrote some stuff about digital photography (although it's old) and
creating webpages, at the top of http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/misc.html
, if it helps at all...

Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL
N56ML "at" hiwaay.net
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KR>spin?

[gleone]

 Spins are things you have to put yourself into unless you do something
stupid like press on into IFR weather in your VFR plane.  The Grumman Tr-2
has a warning about entering spins that says, basically, "DO NOT put into
spins!  If you do not recover within the first rotation, it is HIGHLY
unlikely you will recover at all."  Like the Grumman, the KR is a very short
plane with little vert' stab'.  The plane will most likely go into a flat
spin (not good!).  Grumman's solution was the "spin kit" which was a belly
fin.  In the 1980's, NASA used the lowly Tr-2 for flat spin tests.  They had
a "spin chute" mounted on the tail of the bird and every time they deployed
the chute, they painted a little black, nose down, airplane on t he side of
the cockpit.  The KR is designed to be light, cheap to build and fast. 
There are a plethora of other designs out there designed with acro' in mind.
 Hell, 
if you want to build a plane capable of mild acrobatic, then build the VP-1.
 The VP-1 is capable of acro' but the wings are braced and the empenage is
huge.  

---Original Message---

From: KR builders and pilots
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Thursday, August 07, 2003 07:02:39
To: kr...@mylist.net
Subject: KR>spin?

Jim said vertical stab. might be too small to recover from
a spin.
What if you get into a spin? Are you going to accept you
will become a smoking hole?
What can builders do to correct the problem? i.e. larger
feathers?
I haven't started building Boat yet so I can make changes
very easy.
Still building hardware and putting up.

Staying current in Auburn Al.
Steven Phillabaum
skp...@charter.net

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KR>Buying a Project?

[gleone]

The obvious solution here is build it as a single place. 

---Original Message---

From: KR builders and pilots
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Thursday, July 10, 2003 9:45:37 PM
To: KR builders and pilots
Subject: Re: KR>Buying a Project?

>Assuming I get around the 51%, I have a bigger question.
>The builder decided to make a radical modification to the
>original KR plans. He built a tandem seating arrangement.
>What will this do to weight & balance? His design was for a
>Subaru engine. Mine will be a Corvair.

A tandem KR2 is going to have a real W/B problem, if there is a passenger.
The plane is too short coupled for that much weight aft, unless the engine
is moved significantly forward. In that case, you have other problems when
ever you get into a slip or yaw condition, plus you also will have to
ballast for the missing passenger. The seller must have discovered this too
late.

There are other KR2s available that are partially completed that are good
buys. In fact, partially completed planes are usually less than the cost of
the materials being sold.


Larry Severson
Fountain Valley, CA 92708
(714) 968-9852
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KR>Comparison between the -1 and -2

[gleone]

Having both sets of plans, here's the difference: 
The KR-1 wing span is 17' 8" versus 20' for the KR-2.  
Both use 5/8 longerons.
Firewall is 1/4.
Distance between spars: Depends on when your plans were produced.  I have
two sets of KR-1 plans and there is a difference between the two sets.  I
have to find the KR-2 plans (blueprints) to answer the last question so I'll
hold off on those measurements for now.


---Original Message---

From: KR builders and pilots
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Sunday, July 06, 2003 6:54:52 AM
To: KR builders and pilots
Subject: Re: KR>Comparison between the -1 and -2

Gord Sorensen wrote:

> Just wondering about some of the differences between the -1 and -2.
> 1. What size are the fuselage longerons (5/8" or larger?)
> 2. How thick is the plywood on the fuselage and firewall?
> 3. Distance between the spars? (Is the -1 wing the same as the -2?)

I was hoping that somebody that actually knew what they were talking about
would answer this, but I'll give it a shot, and if I'm wrong, I'm sure the
truth will eventually come out.

I'm pretty sure the -1 and the -2 use exactly the same 5/8" square spruce
for fuselage structure, as well as plywood thickness, which is 3/32 for
fuselage and quarter inch for firewall. The wings are very similar, if not
exactly identical. Looking at the RR website at
http://www.fly-kr.com/kr1.htm and http://www.fly-kr.com/kr2.htm, you can see
that the KR-2 wing span is almost 4 feet longer and 18 square feet larger,
so something's different somewhere. Certainly, if you had a pile of wood to
build a KR-1 wing, you wouldn't have anything left over if you decided to
build a -2 wing instead.

But like I said, I don't even OWN a set of KR-1 plans, although I've heard
they're not much to look at. If somebody would send me their set, I'd love
to take a look at them, and then promptly return them. Then I'll know how
to answer this question the next time around...

Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL
N56ML "at" hiwaay.net
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KR>For Bob Cringley

[gleone]

Bob,

My ISP intercepted the following message from you this morning.  You have a
virus on your computer and you might want to check on it.  Here's the
message I got from my ISP:

Received: from source ([207.217.120.181]) by exprod5mx35.postini.com ([12
158.34.245]) with SMTP;
Wed, 18 Jun 2003 03:18:22 PDT
Received: from 216-40-163-189.flint.tir.com ([216.40.163.189]
helo=company-8qcoo8w)
by epic.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1)
id 19SZy9-0004Ep-00; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 03:15:10 -0700
From:  "Robert X. Cringely" 
Subject:  Re: KR> RE:WAF'S AGAIN?
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--TCWUN957ZHXSNL"
Message-Id: 
Bcc:
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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 03:15:10 -0700 
From: "Robert X. Cringely"  
To: 
Subject: Re: KR> RE:WAF'S AGAIN? 


There WAS a spar failure of the GB-2, a rip-off KR-2 clone, at the 
first KR Gathering in Pope Valley , CA around 1980.  I'm not sure 
this failure actually proves anything, but since I was there at the 
time the story probably bears repeating.

The GB-2 was a KR-2 with entirely pre-




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KR>Don't download WAF from Bob Cringley-VIRUS

[gleone]

 I tried to contact Bob directly but was unable to deliver the message so I
put it on the 'net.  That's the problem with some of these viruses.  I like
you subject line better.  Thanks,

Gene

---Original Message---

From: KR builders and pilots
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 7:16:46 AM
To: kr...@mylist.net
Subject: KR>Don't download WAF from Bob Cringley-VIRUS

I just wanted to change gleones subject line to catch someone's attention.
My McAfee also found the W32/Bugbear.b@mm virus.



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Richmond, KY
RV-7 slider/fuselage
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KR>Smooth Prime

[gleone]

I'm not anywhere near this stage of construction yet, but the time element
may be temperature related (assuming you're talking about drying time).  


---Original Message---

From: KR builders and pilots
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Friday, June 06, 2003 6:30:35 AM
To: KR builders and pilots
Subject: KR>Smooth Prime

>I've got to be honest, I'm not all that nuts about smooth prime. You wind
up
>waiting a long time to get a few coats of this stuff on and it's difficult
>to see the imperfections that really need the attention.
+ = ==snip=,
  I'll never use
>overpriced, overblown smooth prime again.
>Mike Meyer

++

Everything has it tradeoffs, it's plus and minus I guess.

I thought the Smooth Prime dried rather quickly. When doing the
bottom of my fuselage I could start at one end and roll on primer
to the other end. When I was finished I could start at the
beginning again. I laid the first three coats on that way non-stop.

As to filling pinholes I thought it worked great. I use round end
disposable rollers and when I see a pinhole I just rotate the roll
90 degrees, rub the pinhole full of primer, and continue priming.

Yes, the stuff is expensive but I'm not intending to paint my KR
so I didn't have to buy a HVLP unit ($250) build a paint booth
($100) Take 20 minutes to set up, 20 minutes to clean up, by
gun cleaner ($?), buy a fresh air system or a really good mask
($50 -$150) . I can start priming with five minutes of prep, prime
for five minutes or two hours, and when finished through the
$1.50 roll in the trash. Roller pans are $1 each, the roller handle
$5 to $7. You could put this stuff on in your kitchen if you are
the least bit careful.

I'm probably more picky than I need to be with my prime, sand,
fill, prime, sand routine. If I were to follow direction and roll on
three coats, sand lightly, roll on another three, sand and paint,
I'd have been done by now. My problem is I'm new at this and
I'm never sure when good is good enough. As to finding
defects, I think that is mostly a matter of lighting, how much
and what angle.

Bottom line, It has worked well for me. Your results may vary !

Larry Flesner





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KR>Aluminum wing tanks

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I have a question about the gussette material.  I'm building a KR-1 and the
spruce kit included quite a bit of 5/8 triangular wood.  Some of the gussettes
in the plans are dimensioned at 2 inches.  Is anyone using 5/8 for gussettes?  I
really don't want to use this only to have to start over if it's the wrong
size.  Thanks

Mark Langford wrote:

> Dana Overall has finished with Mark Jones' wingtank.  The details are at
> http://www.krnet.org/wingtank/ .  If I ever have to build another one, it'll
> be done this way.  Total weight is something like 5 pounds, and you can
> check it for leaks before it's installed.  It's  riveted and sealed, so
> there's no welding involved.  I think Dana said it holds 11.5 gallons with
> airspace at the top.  Maybe Mark can tell us more about it...
>
> Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL
> N56ML "at"  hiwaay.net
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KR>KR

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One guy built his into the wing root.  Made for a great looking installation
  I downloaded the picture but don't remember the link.  The problem is the
picture is on my other computer which the C drive has crashed and burned. 
It will be a while before I get it up and running again.  I think if you do
a search in the archives for "venturie", you'll find the link.


---Original Message---

From: KR builders and pilots
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Sunday, May 18, 2003 6:48:45 AM
To: Robert Tate Gann; KR builders and pilots
Subject: KR>KR

Hi everyone,
I have a new "Old" question ,
Where on the fuselage would be the best location for a 4"(10" long)venturie
to run my DG? I know there was a recent discussion about it but I didn't
follow it that close. now that I have come in to a great deal on this
instrument I would like to use it.but I do not like the idea of using an
engine driven pump.
The simplest thing to do is the venturie,right?
Also does it need to have a shut off valve and suction gage? would covering
it on the ground be ok instead?
Thanks
Tim Bellville
KR2
N7038V


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KR>Glass cockpit-IFR etc.

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AnyWhereMap can be ordered separately from Sporty's Pilot Shop which will save a
chunk of change.  I have an iPaq and that's what I did.

Dana Overall wrote:

> Brian, the only drawback to the system you have a link to in the attached
> section below is it's reliance on the "Windows" operating system imbedded in
> the Compaq IPAQ palm computer.  If I were to go this route with an IPAQ, I
> personnally would go with AnyWhere Map (do a search as I don't have the URL
> on hand now) and take advantage of there new artificial horizon,
> downloadable NEXRAD weather, moving map, approach plates, etc.  The cost of
> the IPAQ plus the software gets the Windows based unit rather pricey also.
>
> As for the Dynon unit not being "IFR certified", no artifial horizon is IFR
> certified.  The unit is either certified or not certified nessesitating a
> 337 for it's install in a certified panel.  In an experimental airplane, the
> Dynon unit satisfies the equipment list for required instruments.  No
> inclusive instrument replacement is a required instrument for the ground
> facilities to be used for IFR navigation, ie., VOR, GPS, ADF or glideslope.
> Only those instruments must be "certified" by the IFR pilot with the
> altimeter and encoded transponder receiving there papers every two years.
> Thus, the instruments replaced by this unit fall only under the required
> instruments as per the required list.  This also applies to your VFR
> required instruments, excluding your engine instruments.  Yes, the compass
> function replaces the requirement of a whiskey compass.  what Dynon says is
> they are not going to go through the certifying process to remove the 337
> requirement in a certified airplane.
>
> Now, to get to the peeking order of the Dynon unit and IPAQ.  I'll use the
> Dynon as primary (no windows to reboot) and the AnyWhere Map IPAQ based as
> my backup.  Yes, my airplane will be IFR and will be used as such.
>
> Hey Adrian.has it stopped snowing yet (listen to him guys, when I
> see his name on a post.I READ it!!)  I still like the joke about where
> does a Canadian know where to stop going south...put a snowblower in the
> back of your truck..drive until someone says "What the he#$%#$ is
> that??"  That's where to stop and retire:-)
>
> Dana Overall
> Richmond, KY
> RV-7 slider/fuselage
> http://rvflying.tripod.com
> do not archive
>
> >From: Brian Kraut 
> >Reply-To: eng...@earthlink.net, KR builders and pilots 
> >To: KR builders and pilots 
> >Subject: Re: KR>Glass cockpit
> >Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 19:51:39 -0400
> >
> >There is a lower cost version from PCFlight Systems
> >http://www.pcflightsystems.com/ .  Does anyone have experience with that
> >one?
> >
> >Scott Stanton wrote:
> >
> >>Try   http://www.dynondevelopment.com/
> >>
> >>It does look like a nifty system.  Better have a
> >>redundant electrical.
> >>
> >>Scott Stanton
> >>Raleigh NC
> >>
> >
> >
> >
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KR>kr sale/liability

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Before anyone warms up the BBQ, this is not meant to be a slam against
lawyers.  We have become a nation which refuses to take responsibility for
the simplest things in life like driving around with a Styrofoam cup of hot
coffee between the legs to putting a loaded gun to the head and pulling the
trigger then saying "it wasn't fault!  It was McDonalds fault".  Or the
actor for a short lived TV series who jokingly put a .44 Mag revolver to his
head  loaded with blanks and pulled the trigger before anyone could stop him
  It never occurred to that particular "Darwin Award Recipient" there's
something like 20,000 pounds pressure at the muzzle which resulted in
turning his brain into Jell-o.  It wasn't his fault,  "it was Smith & Wesson
s fault!"  If McD's had only told me it was a stupid thing to drive with a
hot cup of coffee between ones legs or S had clearly put a warning on the
revolver along the lines of, "WARNING!  SHOOTING BLANKS WITH THE MUZZLE
POINTED AT YOUR HEAD COULD KILL YOU!" perhaps he would not have done it. 
But I don't think so!  When buglers can sue a homeowner for "injuries
sustained in a burglary", it is because (a) trial lawyers have found a new
cash cow and (b) jurors are too stupid to realize the problem lies with the
person who did the act rather than the business/individual/whatever the suit
was brought against.  For some vultures out there, the loss of a "loved" one
is well offset by the money gained through litigation and sometimes
insurance.  Here's a couple of examples:

A abdominal surgeon friend of mine was forced out of private practice by the
annual doubling of his malpractice insurance.  Why did it go up every year
by a factor of two?  He had ONE frivolous law suit.  He went to work for
Ford-Philco as the company doctor.  

In college I worked as a reserve police officer.  My partner was a good cop
but a man who had to manage his temper.  We were dispatched to a fatal
accident where a 14 year old boy was one of the victims.  At the hospital,
Larry, my partner, and I went to the "parents", a word used in its loosest
connotation possible, to get some needed information for our report.  The 
father" said, "I told you we should have gotten the $10,000 policy!" to wit
the "mother" replied, "how did I know the little bastard would die?!"  Larry
 who stood 6' 3", weighed about 225 pounds and was all of 10% body fat,
picked the so-called father up by the collar and had it not been for my
intervention, he would have pasted his stamp right there on the spot.  

As a nation, generally speaking, people have become lazy and feel someone
else owes them in one way or another.  If you're parting out or selling
outright an airplane, you'll run the risk of someone or their survivors down
the road wanting to sue you because an idiot augured in trying to see if he
or she could really recover from an inverted flat spin.  When I was a cop,
there was only one law I really wanted to see put on the books and that was 
Stupid in Public".  As long as people are going to be "stupid in public"
there will be lawyers on the side to take their money and jurors who loose
sight of the fact we are all responsible for our own actions.  As an aside,
think about it: These people vote!  Again, this is not an indictment of all
lawyers as lawyers are needed.  It is an indictment against greed and
avarice.  

---Original Message---

From: KR builders and pilots
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 3:20:50 AM
To: kr...@mylist.net
Subject: Re: KR>kr sale/liability

RE: Even if you totally cover yourself with the buyer, they could crash 
into a house and wipe out a family at the dinner table and that 
could prompt a lawsuit from someone that was not a party to 
the sale. 

You paint a picture of a very sick society. It is truly amazing that this
society continues to exist and sometimes I really wonder, how it does. 

N64KR 

Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC 

da...@kr-builder.org 

See you in Red Oak - 2003 

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KR>quantity indicator systems.

[gleone]

You can use a float-wire guage through the filler cap.  It's been used for
years on a number of planes but the Volksplane comes to mind right now.  All
you have to do is modify the filler cap with the float guage.

larry severson wrote:

> Is that possible?
>
> At 05:54 PM 4/21/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> >Do you mean without cutting into the tank to do so?
> >
> >
> >I bought a partially completed KR2 with outboard wing tanks that have no
> >quantity indicator system or venting. Does anyone have an effective
> >quantity indicating system for such a KR2 rig?
>
> Larry Severson
> Fountain Valley, CA 92708
> (714) 968-9852
> lar...@socal.rr.com
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