KR> Spruce Fungus?

[Peter Drake]

Hi All
I think I am qualified to comment on this one with a degree in forestry and 
a diploma in Timber technology!

If it came from a reputable source the spruce you will be using for your KR 
will have been kiln dried, as long you keep the timber dry it will not get 
infected with fungi.
There are also preservatives which are applied by pressure impregnation or 
surface application by brush or spray, but they are not appropriate for this 
application (used for construction, fencing etc where the timber might get 
damp).
Sometimes the timber might get a bit discoloured if it gets slightly damp. 
This is likely to be blue stain which does not affect the strength. However 
it is vital that the timber is dried out properly if there is any suspicion 
that it may have got damp.

I hope that this clears this one up!

Peter Drake
Hereford UK


Maybe some really qualified person will chime in?




On 1/15/2015 10:20 AM, Chris Prata via KRnet wrote:
> Hi All,  an A friend of mine (and aluminum experimental builder), 
> mentioned some spruce fungus issue that if not caught can be disastrous. 
> Is this an issue with the materials, and if so how to 
> inspect/avoid/prevent?
> Thanks

KR> Spruce Fungus?

[Chris Prata]

Sharing this which seems to speak to the issue, although I still have more to 
learn: (It's a PDF which can be saved)
http://www.lightaircraftassociation.co.uk/engineering/TechnicalLeaflets/Building,%20Buying%20or%20Importing/TL%201.14%20Wood%20Information.pdf





> To: gluejam at cox.net; krnet at list.krnet.org
> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 22:27:19 +
> Subject: Re: KR> Spruce Fungus?
> From: krnet at list.krnet.org
> 
> Hi All
> I think I am qualified to comment on this one with a degree in forestry and 
> a diploma in Timber technology!
> 
> If it came from a reputable source the spruce you will be using for your KR 
> will have been kiln dried, as long you keep the timber dry it will not get 
> infected with fungi.
> There are also preservatives which are applied by pressure impregnation or 
> surface application by brush or spray, but they are not appropriate for this 
> application (used for construction, fencing etc where the timber might get 
> damp).
> Sometimes the timber might get a bit discoloured if it gets slightly damp. 
> This is likely to be blue stain which does not affect the strength. However 
> it is vital that the timber is dried out properly if there is any suspicion 
> that it may have got damp.
> 
> I hope that this clears this one up!
> 
> Peter Drake
> Hereford UK
> 
> 
> Maybe some really qualified person will chime in?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 1/15/2015 10:20 AM, Chris Prata via KRnet wrote:
> > Hi All,  an A friend of mine (and aluminum experimental builder), 
> > mentioned some spruce fungus issue that if not caught can be disastrous. 
> > Is this an issue with the materials, and if so how to 
> > inspect/avoid/prevent?
> > Thanks
> 
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KR> Spruce Fungus?

[Chris Kinnaman]

If you buy your spruce from Wicks or Aircraft Spruce you shouldn't have 
any problems.

Chris

On 1/15/2015 12:01 PM, gluejam via KRnet wrote:
> At the risk of making a fool of myself, I bet he's confusing diseases 
> of living trees with lumber/wood preservation and protection.
> Fungus can attack most any unprotected or ignored wood or wooden 
> product, so some sort of protection is required for longevity. Varnish 
> was the old standby but now there are a variety of synthetic finishes 
> which can do the job.   AND keeping wooden aircraft structure dry, of 
> course.
>
> Maybe some really qualified person will chime in?
> 
>
>
>
> On 1/15/2015 10:20 AM, Chris Prata via KRnet wrote:
>> Hi All,  an A friend of mine (and aluminum experimental builder), 
>> mentioned some spruce fungus issue that if not caught can be 
>> disastrous. Is this an issue with the materials, and if so how to 
>> inspect/avoid/prevent?
>> Thanks
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KR> Spruce Fungus?

[Chris Prata]

Hi All,  an A friend of mine (and aluminum experimental builder), mentioned 
some spruce fungus issue that if not caught can be disastrous. Is this an issue 
with the materials, and if so how to inspect/avoid/prevent?
Thanks

KR> Spruce Fungus?

[gluejam]

At the risk of making a fool of myself, I bet he's confusing diseases of 
living trees with lumber/wood preservation and protection.
Fungus can attack most any unprotected or ignored wood or wooden 
product, so some sort of protection is required for longevity. Varnish 
was the old standby but now there are a variety of synthetic finishes 
which can do the job.   AND keeping wooden aircraft structure dry, of 
course.

Maybe some really qualified person will chime in?




On 1/15/2015 10:20 AM, Chris Prata via KRnet wrote:
> Hi All,  an A friend of mine (and aluminum experimental builder), mentioned 
> some spruce fungus issue that if not caught can be disastrous. Is this an 
> issue with the materials, and if so how to inspect/avoid/prevent?
> Thanks
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KR> SPRUCE

[Brian Coss]

I need to pick out a paint scheme, where can I find lots and lots!!!
pictures of completed kr2 planes? Thanks! :)
On Oct 5, 2011 12:44 AM, "omotosho olalekan"  wrote:
> Hi Folks,
>
> Please I need a help, since I couldnt get materials locally I tired to
contact Aircraft Spruce for a Freight quotaion for the KR2S Spruce kits on
thier website, but I want to know if the spruce kits on ACS is all I need
for my KR2S or there have been changes on the plans which require more
spruce the those on ACS website, as am going to build strictly by the plans
without any modification.
>
> Thanks you all
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KR> SPRUCE

[omotosho olalekan]

Hi Folks,

Please I need a help, since I couldnt get materials locally I tired to contact 
Aircraft Spruce for a Freight quotaion for the KR2S Spruce kits on thier 
website, but I want to know if the spruce kits on ACS is all I need for my KR2S 
or there have been changes on the plans which require more spruce the those on 
ACS website, as am going to build strictly by the plans without any 
modification.

Thanks you all

KR> spruce vs other woods

[Patrick and Robin Russo]

David S
Just finished two sets of spars with Douglas Fir and 3mm ply. Main spars 
average 16 lbs each. Rear spars are 5.75 lbs each. It is no surprise as I 
expected just that, What I was reminded of though was how much easier it is 
to work with spruce, more flexible, less splintery, easier to hand plane and 
sand.
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From: "David Stowers" <stowers62...@yahoo.com>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 5:08 PM
Subject: KR> spruce vs other woods


>I was wondering if there was anyone that has used other woods for aviation 
>projects instead of spruce. Spruce is getting hard to obtain at reasonable 
>prices and there are other woods that are stronger, but a little heavier. I 
>am looking at a larger engine so I think the weight issue could be balanced 
>off.
>
> Any help would be appreciated.
>
> David Stowers
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KR> spruce vs other woods

[Tim]

Spruce Goose was primarily built from Birch not SpruceEAA has info & 
Book's on types grades and research into different types/species for 
building.

CldLk-Tim


- Original Message - 
From: "Patrick and Robin Russo" 


Yes, I have used pine to do a wood/fabric L-19 look-alike. Incidently, there
is a major kit supplier that uses clear southern pine in their light
sircraft. I have also built a KR-2 with locally cut spruce careful to use
the staightest grain and zero knots. On a 2nd KR I also went to the local
lumber yard and spent the afternoon going thru the stacks of construction
grade spruce 2x8's etc pulling out the odd knot free and straight grain
board. When the grain was not as straight as I like, I re-sawed  the boards
and laminated them to their best advantage. I once found a stash of redwood
as staight and close grained as I ever saw, and built a set of wings for
another, as yet unfinished, aircraftbut not before I experimented with
it, building two blue grass F-5 mandolins. They proved to be every bit as
strong as the usual spruce topped instruments but lacked the tone quality.
Mahogany... 

KR> spruce vs other woods

[Patrick and Robin Russo]

Yes, I have used pine to do a wood/fabric L-19 look-alike. Incidently, there 
is a major kit supplier that uses clear southern pine in their light 
sircraft. I have also built a KR-2 with locally cut spruce careful to use 
the staightest grain and zero knots. On a 2nd KR I also went to the local 
lumber yard and spent the afternoon going thru the stacks of construction 
grade spruce 2x8's etc pulling out the odd knot free and straight grain 
board. When the grain was not as straight as I like, I re-sawed  the boards 
and laminated them to their best advantage. I once found a stash of redwood 
as staight and close grained as I ever saw, and built a set of wings for 
another, as yet unfinished, aircraftbut not before I experimented with 
it, building two blue grass F-5 mandolins. They proved to be every bit as 
strong as the usual spruce topped instruments but lacked the tone quality. 
Mahogany is another great wood to work with if you can get straight and 
close grain stock i.e. quarter sawn. This is occasionally available but you 
have to spend a day going thru the suppliers stacks. Finally, I have three 
projects in my shop right now, 2 of which are being built with Douglas Fir. 
I found the fir at a local hardwood supplier for cabinet makers. It was 
being sold as exterior porch flooring. It is a bit stronger than spruce but 
also 10% heavier. I am using this to make a 70% scale AT-6 Texan and a wood 
copy of Molt Taylors (Aluminum) Mini-Imp. This has a dramatically curved 
fuselage so the longerons had to be done as laminations. Surprisingly I once 
saw a great selection of both fir and clear pine at HOME DEPOT building 
supplier.  In summary, you do have options.
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From: "David Stowers" <stowers62...@yahoo.com>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 5:08 PM
Subject: KR> spruce vs other woods


>I was wondering if there was anyone that has used other woods for aviation 
>projects instead of spruce. Spruce is getting hard to obtain at reasonable 
>prices and there are other woods that are stronger, but a little heavier. I 
>am looking at a larger engine so I think the weight issue could be balanced 
>off.
>
> Any help would be appreciated.
>
> David Stowers
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KR> spruce vs other woods

[Pete]

Quite a few aircraft over here are being built using Hoop Pine.

Cheers.
Pete.
Ballina.
Oz, Mate.

On 4/01/2011 09:08, David Stowers wrote:
> I was wondering if there was anyone that has used other woods for aviation 
> projects instead of spruce. Spruce is getting hard to obtain at reasonable 
> prices and there are other woods that are stronger, but a little heavier. I 
> am looking at a larger engine so I think the weight issue could be balanced 
> off.
>   
> Any help would be appreciated.
>
> David Stowers
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KR> spruce vs other woods

[Fred Johnson]

I built my entire boat section and spars from Doug fir. At the time, our
shop was ordering some very high quality lumber for our trusses. so I would
take my breaks and lunch look through every new unit that was opened. After
about three months I was able to find quite a bit and then "acclimated it"
to our conditions for 8 months before I even attempted to mill it for my
airplane. our summer humidity can be 8% or less and even though it was "DRY"
lumber it's moisture was always in the 19-20% range.



The whole boat was 28# including the vertical tail spar. No ply of course.



Spruce is a little more forgiving, doesn't splinter as easily, but doug fir,
white cedar, Alaskan yellow cedar, even hem fir (sometimes called piss fir
for obvious reasons) works well, depending on what part of the country you
live in of course.



Just research the web about it first, there is lots of info about the
airworthiness of certain lumber.







Fred Johnson

Reno, NV





David wrote:



I was wondering if there was anyone that has used other woods for aviation
projects instead of spruce. Spruce is getting hard to obtain at reasonable
prices and there are other woods that are stronger, but a little heavier. I
am looking at a larger engine so I think the weight issue could be balanced
off.

Any help would be appreciated.

David Stowers
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KR> spruce vs other woods

[David Stowers]

I was wondering if there was anyone that has used other woods for aviation 
projects instead of spruce. Spruce is getting hard to obtain at reasonable 
prices and there are other woods that are stronger, but a little heavier. I am 
looking at a larger engine so I think the weight issue could be balanced off.
 
Any help would be appreciated.

David Stowers

KR> Spruce vs Douglas Fir

[Darren Crompton]

Thanks for all the input.

I have decided to go with the hoop pine which I sourced at Mathews Timber.
They brought out a pack of 100 No. 1 Clears from which I selected 4 pieces
of 8" x 1" x 17'.  The cost was less than $3 per foot!

Today I have been ripping them into lengths and then using my favorite tool
at the moment - the Ryobi Thicknesser, to plane them to the correct size.

T-88 should be arriving from AS next week.

In the mean time I will begin to plot the fuselage plans onto the workbench.

Building has begun!
-- 
Darren Crompton
AUSTRALIA

KR> Spruce vs Douglas Fir

[Darren Crompton]

I am ready to order my timber and being on a very tight budget, I am
seriously considering douglas fir as an alternative to spruce.  The spruce
kit machined and delivered from an interstate supplier (Australia) is going
to cost $3,000AU ($2,365US).  Douglas fir on the other hand will be about
1/2 that price.

>From what I have seen, fir will be about 15% heavier and is also stronger.
I am a fairly light fella at 155lb and my girlfriend is 110lb, (don't let
her know I shared that piece of information with the entire Internet!), so
weight gained by using fir can be more than offset by our light frames.

I'd appreciate some opinions on my choice.

Thanks.
Darren Crompton
AUSTRALIA

KR> Spruce vs Douglas Fir

[Martindale Family]

Darren

Think about using select Australian Hoop Pine (supplier is in Toowoomba Qld 
I think) and GL1 Ply from Mister Plywood. The difference in weight is 
negligible over the amounts that a KR2 uses. I used Spruce and it's just not 
worth the price to get it herenever again. Get a 1/4 sawn piece of 6x2 
Hoop Pine dry it and ask a local cabinet maker to cut it to size where you 
can watch it happen.


John Martindale
29 Jane Circuit
TOORMINA NSW 2452
AUSTRALIA

phone:  61 2 66584767 (H)
 61 2 66869075 (W)
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email:johnja...@optusnet.com.au
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- Original Message - 
From: "Darren Crompton" <kr.2s.dar...@gmail.com>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 9:37 PM
Subject: KR> Spruce vs Douglas Fir


>I am ready to order my timber and being on a very tight budget, I am
> seriously considering douglas fir as an alternative to spruce.  The spruce
> kit machined and delivered from an interstate supplier (Australia) is 
> going
> to cost $3,000AU ($2,365US).  Douglas fir on the other hand will be about
> 1/2 that price.
>
>>From what I have seen, fir will be about 15% heavier and is also stronger.
> I am a fairly light fella at 155lb and my girlfriend is 110lb, (don't let
> her know I shared that piece of information with the entire Internet!), so
> weight gained by using fir can be more than offset by our light frames.
>
> I'd appreciate some opinions on my choice.
>
> Thanks.
> Darren Crompton
> AUSTRALIA
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KR> Spruce vs Douglas Fir

[Scott William]

In my experience, douglas fir is about 25% heavier,
but it is also stronger. Just make sure it has the
proper grain count and runout, ect...


Scott 


--- Darren Crompton  wrote:

> I am ready to order my timber and being on a very
> tight budget, I am
> seriously considering douglas fir as an alternative
> to spruce.  The spruce
> kit machined and delivered from an interstate
> supplier (Australia) is going
> to cost $3,000AU ($2,365US).  Douglas fir on the
> other hand will be about
> 1/2 that price.
> 
> >From what I have seen, fir will be about 15%
> heavier and is also stronger.
> I am a fairly light fella at 155lb and my girlfriend
> is 110lb, (don't let
> her know I shared that piece of information with the
> entire Internet!), so
> weight gained by using fir can be more than offset
> by our light frames.
> 
> I'd appreciate some opinions on my choice.
> 
> Thanks.
> Darren Crompton
> AUSTRALIA
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KR> Spruce vs Douglas Fir

[Steve Jacobs]

I am seriously considering Douglas fir as an alternative to spruce.



Hey Darren, you have a better alternate right there - hoop pine lumber and 
ply - same selection criteria.

I have made a careful study of the known alternatives and hoop pine is no 
compromise at all - good stuff.

If it were not for an equally good substitute in South Africa, I would have 
imported hoop pine for my current project.

Take care
Steve J

KR> Spruce vs Douglas Fir

[Darren Crompton]

The supplier I spoke to in Newcastle said that hoop pine was more brittle
than fir, similar weight, same price and more difficult to get in aircraft
quality.  I had discounted it because of its supposed brittle nature but I
do like the idea of building from an Australian timber.


On 3/15/07, Steve Jacobs  wrote:
>
> I am seriously considering Douglas fir as an alternative to spruce.
>
> 
>
> Hey Darren, you have a better alternate right there - hoop pine lumber and
> ply - same selection criteria.
>
> I have made a careful study of the known alternatives and hoop pine is no
> compromise at all - good stuff.
>
> If it were not for an equally good substitute in South Africa, I would
> have
> imported hoop pine for my current project.
>
> Take care
> Steve J
>
>
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KR> Spruce vs Douglas Fir

[Dennis Mingear]

Here's the "Wood Book", it should contain all the info that you need to choose 
a wood type for your KR.

  http://www.fpl.fs.fed.us/documnts/fplgtr/fplgtr113/fplgtr113.htm

  and here is a great Australian source for info;

  http://www.auf.asn.au/scratchbuilder/contents.html

  and finally here is the "G" book on the subject;

  
http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/ACNumber/99C827DB9BAAC81B86256B4500596C4E?OpenDocument

  Hope some of this helps.

  From the Banty Group,

  Denny ...

Steve Jacobs  wrote:
  I am seriously considering Douglas fir as an alternative to spruce.



Hey Darren, you have a better alternate right there - hoop pine lumber and 
ply - same selection criteria.

I have made a careful study of the known alternatives and hoop pine is no 
compromise at all - good stuff.

If it were not for an equally good substitute in South Africa, I would have 
imported hoop pine for my current project.

Take care
Steve J


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KR> Spruce vs Douglas Fir

[VIRGIL N SALISBURY]

Go for it, Virg

On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:37:22 +1100 "Darren Crompton"
 writes:
> I am ready to order my timber and being on a very tight budget, I am
> seriously considering douglas fir as an alternative to spruce.  The 
> spruce
> kit machined and delivered from an interstate supplier (Australia) 
> is going
> to cost $3,000AU ($2,365US).  Douglas fir on the other hand will be 
> about
> 1/2 that price.
> 
> >From what I have seen, fir will be about 15% heavier and is also 
> stronger.
> I am a fairly light fella at 155lb and my girlfriend is 110lb, 
> (don't let
> her know I shared that piece of information with the entire 
> Internet!), so
> weight gained by using fir can be more than offset by our light 
> frames.
> 
> I'd appreciate some opinions on my choice.
> 
> Thanks.
> Darren Crompton
> AUSTRALIA
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KR> Spruce vs Douglas Fir

[Ron Butterfield]

On 3/15/07, Darren Crompton  wrote:
> I am ready to order my timber and being on a very tight budget, I am
> seriously considering douglas fir as an alternative to spruce.

On http://krnet.org/ there is a link to the old paper KR newsletters,
downloadable in pdf. Many years ago a gentleman documented just such a
substitution, along with a test jig to make sure your wood matched
your calculations.



-- 
Regards,
RonB

KR> Spruce vs Douglas Fir

[Dennis Mingear]

Here's a PDF file that does just that, gives you a selection and test 
methodology for the non-certified wood that you use in your project.

  
http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/UEP5RcRYnIYwgM31-UmspXnpzXSACpMccoQgrDp9Uu1qDMgymUiKC-4JXir34SzdezeIxQpOdzPeNtENwWQWwg/testing_wood.pdf

  Denny ...

Ron Butterfield  wrote:
  On 3/15/07, Darren Crompton wrote:
> I am ready to order my timber and being on a very tight budget, I am
> seriously considering douglas fir as an alternative to spruce.

On http://krnet.org/ there is a link to the old paper KR newsletters,
downloadable in pdf. Many years ago a gentleman documented just such a
substitution, along with a test jig to make sure your wood matched
your calculations.



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KR> Spruce vs Douglas Fir

[Cláudio Holanda]

Dear Darren:

Here, in Brasil, we are using since the 30's  a special wood to built 
airplanes  named FREIJÓ.  In accordance with some stories and/or tales, this 
wood was used to built the main structure of the famous, II  WW , British 
Bomber the  (De Havilland? ) " Mosquito". (Some Friend in England could 
check this information?).

Freijó is a little bit heavy than Spruce but is, at least, 20% stronger. We 
did some tests before starting to built a KR-1 and the average strenght in 
tension (Dark Freijó), was  1800Kgf  per square centimeter ( 11,611 lb/in²).

If you want, I can check here prices and freight costs .

Best regards,
Claudio Holanda
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From: "Darren Crompton" <kr.2s.dar...@gmail.com>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 7:37 AM
Subject: KR> Spruce vs Douglas Fir


>I am ready to order my timber and being on a very tight budget, I am
> seriously considering douglas fir as an alternative to spruce.  The spruce
> kit machined and delivered from an interstate supplier (Australia) is 
> going
> to cost $3,000AU ($2,365US).  Douglas fir on the other hand will be about
> 1/2 that price.
>
>>From what I have seen, fir will be about 15% heavier and is also stronger.
> I am a fairly light fella at 155lb and my girlfriend is 110lb, (don't let
> her know I shared that piece of information with the entire Internet!), so
> weight gained by using fir can be more than offset by our light frames.
>
> I'd appreciate some opinions on my choice.
>
> Thanks.
> Darren Crompton
> AUSTRALIA
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KR> Spruce vs Douglas Fir

[Russ Kendall]

Lots of airplanes have been built using Douglas Fir. It's a little heavier,
but also stronger than spruce.
Russ
- Original Message -
From: "Darren Crompton" <kr.2s.dar...@gmail.com>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 2:37 AM
Subject: KR> Spruce vs Douglas Fir


> I am ready to order my timber and being on a very tight budget, I am
> seriously considering douglas fir as an alternative to spruce.  The spruce
> kit machined and delivered from an interstate supplier (Australia) is
going
> to cost $3,000AU ($2,365US).  Douglas fir on the other hand will be about
> 1/2 that price.
>
> >From what I have seen, fir will be about 15% heavier and is also
stronger.
> I am a fairly light fella at 155lb and my girlfriend is 110lb, (don't let
> her know I shared that piece of information with the entire Internet!), so
> weight gained by using fir can be more than offset by our light frames.
>
> I'd appreciate some opinions on my choice.
>
> Thanks.
> Darren Crompton
> AUSTRALIA
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KR> Spruce vs Douglas Fir

[Fred Johnson]

Darren,

Fir is a good choice, I have used fir for my airplane. The complete fuse
without plywood weighs 22 pounds, if I had built with Spruce it would
have weighed about 19 to 20 pounds. Not much difference if you ask me.
Truth is, the frame of the airplane only makes up a small part of the
whole airplane, if weight is a worry for you (should be) try to save
weight somewhere else like in your seats or wheels and brakes. 

I used Fir because I had a great (read that as free) source for it here
otherwise I would have used Spruce.

I do agree with Steve Jacobs though, hoop pine is available to you "down
under" and is a great substitute for either and probably a lot less
expensive.

Good luck!

Fred Johnson
Reno, NV

KR> Spruce vs Douglas Fir

[bobby burington]

My plane is being built using Doug Fir.,  its a little harder to work with and 
splinters eaiser but a fine wood for a plane.
  Bobby

Russ Kendall <rkend...@bendbroadband.com> wrote:
  Lots of airplanes have been built using Douglas Fir. It's a little heavier,
but also stronger than spruce.
Russ
- Original Message -
From: "Darren Crompton" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 2:37 AM
Subject: KR> Spruce vs Douglas Fir


> I am ready to order my timber and being on a very tight budget, I am
> seriously considering douglas fir as an alternative to spruce. The spruce
> kit machined and delivered from an interstate supplier (Australia) is
going
> to cost $3,000AU ($2,365US). Douglas fir on the other hand will be about
> 1/2 that price.
>
> >From what I have seen, fir will be about 15% heavier and is also
stronger.
> I am a fairly light fella at 155lb and my girlfriend is 110lb, (don't let
> her know I shared that piece of information with the entire Internet!), so
> weight gained by using fir can be more than offset by our light frames.
>
> I'd appreciate some opinions on my choice.
>
> Thanks.
> Darren Crompton
> AUSTRALIA
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KR> Spruce vs Douglas Fir

[wilder_jeff Wilder]

where did you find the Fir that meets AC quality?



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>My plane is being built using Doug Fir.,  its a little harder to work with 
>and splinters eaiser but a fine wood for a plane.
>   Bobby
>
>Russ Kendall <rkend...@bendbroadband.com> wrote:
>   Lots of airplanes have been built using Douglas Fir. It's a little 
>heavier,
>but also stronger than spruce.
>Russ
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>To:
>Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 2:37 AM
>Subject: KR> Spruce vs Douglas Fir
>
>
> > I am ready to order my timber and being on a very tight budget, I am
> > seriously considering douglas fir as an alternative to spruce. The 
>spruce
> > kit machined and delivered from an interstate supplier (Australia) is
>going
> > to cost $3,000AU ($2,365US). Douglas fir on the other hand will be about
> > 1/2 that price.
> >
> > >From what I have seen, fir will be about 15% heavier and is also
>stronger.
> > I am a fairly light fella at 155lb and my girlfriend is 110lb, (don't 
>let
> > her know I shared that piece of information with the entire Internet!), 
>so
> > weight gained by using fir can be more than offset by our light frames.
> >
> > I'd appreciate some opinions on my choice.
> >
> > Thanks.
> > Darren Crompton
> > AUSTRALIA
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KR> Spruce vs Douglas Fir

[bobby burington]

Hello Jeff,

  I actually milled my own lumber for my plane.  I live in the middle of a 
national forest and I am lucky enough to have a neighbor down the road with a 
large saw mill. So we picked logs with a good grain and he rough cut the logs 
to lumber size plus a little, then I stacked and dried the lumber and then I 
milled it to the exact size I wanted. 

  I was able to pick the most premimum boards with the right grain for building 
the plane.  

  heres a good EAA article with info and reference to mil spec bulletins that 
would be good to get.   
http://www.eaa.org/benefits/sportaviation/octbuilding.html   ...

  I also have a cd with a lot of good info on wood types and uses along with a 
lot of other construction information and I'd be happy to send a copy of it to 
you'd like, just let me know your mailing address.

  There is an eaiser way,  I have also been checking the local lumber store 
down the hill and if you pick through their best kiln dried, straight grained 
clear (no knots or flaws), lumber stock,  they have a lot of useable quality 
doug fir lumber that meets specs.  

  Bobby



wilder_jeff Wilder <wilder_j...@msn.com> wrote: 
  where did you find the Fir that meets AC quality?



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>My plane is being built using Doug Fir., its a little harder to work with 
>and splinters eaiser but a fine wood for a plane.
> Bobby
>
>Russ Kendall wrote:
> Lots of airplanes have been built using Douglas Fir. It's a little 
>heavier,
>but also stronger than spruce.
>Russ
>- Original Message -
>From: "Darren Crompton"
>To:
>Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 2:37 AM
>Subject: KR> Spruce vs Douglas Fir
>
>
> > I am ready to order my timber and being on a very tight budget, I am
> > seriously considering douglas fir as an alternative to spruce. The 
>spruce
> > kit machined and delivered from an interstate supplier (Australia) is
>going
> > to cost $3,000AU ($2,365US). Douglas fir on the other hand will be about
> > 1/2 that price.
> >
> > >From what I have seen, fir will be about 15% heavier and is also
>stronger.
> > I am a fairly light fella at 155lb and my girlfriend is 110lb, (don't 
>let
> > her know I shared that piece of information with the entire Internet!), 
>so
> > weight gained by using fir can be more than offset by our light frames.
> >
> > I'd appreciate some opinions on my choice.
> >
> > Thanks.
> > Darren Crompton
> > AUSTRALIA
> > ___
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KR> Spruce vs Douglas Fir

[PHILLIP MATHESON]

Many Aircraft in Aust are from Hoop Pine. Including my mates Corby Starlet. 
He was VERY happy with it.


Phil Matheson
SAAA Ch. 20
VH-PKR
Australia

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http://www.vw-engines.com/ 

KR> Spruce V Douglas Fir

[Robin Macdonald]

Net heads,

There is a test rig for woods in a very early KR newsletter.  About # 10 or 
something like that

Robin.

r.macdon...@clear.net.nz

KR> Spruce V Douglas Fir

[Ron Freiberger]

Aircraft wood starts with the logging process.  The tree must be felled
so that there are no induced cracks in the wood.  There's a lot of
issues with aircraft wood, and a lot more than ring counts and linear
runout.  The wood has to be treated right throughout the ENTIRE process.
One way to know for sure is to stress test the wood by pulling on it.
I'm sure that fir will do well, and the weight difference in negligible.

But, be sure the integrity of the wood is correct.

Ron Freiberger  EAA 28328,  Tech Counselor 4125

KR> Spruce V Douglas Fir

[Sheena Toor]

I have built a few of Roger Mann's Ragwing designs from Fir. It is stronger
and yet it is also heavier. If you are careful and take your time it is a
great strong wood. I get mine from wood suppliers for cabinet makers. The
source for my last shippment was http://www.edensaw.com/ and after grading
it, I had alot of good wood. Of course the longest clearest pieces became
spar caps.


David Mikesell
23597 N. Hwy 99
Acampo, CA 95220
209-224-4485
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www.skyguynca.com- Original Message - 
From: "Ron Freiberger" <ronandmar...@earthlink.net>
To: "'KRnet'" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 7:24 PM
Subject: RE: KR> Spruce V Douglas Fir


> Aircraft wood starts with the logging process.  The tree must be felled
> so that there are no induced cracks in the wood.  There's a lot of
> issues with aircraft wood, and a lot more than ring counts and linear
> runout.  The wood has to be treated right throughout the ENTIRE process.
> One way to know for sure is to stress test the wood by pulling on it.
> I'm sure that fir will do well, and the weight difference in negligible.
>
> But, be sure the integrity of the wood is correct.
>
> Ron Freiberger  EAA 28328,  Tech Counselor 4125
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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KR> Spruce V Douglas Fir

[patric...@usfamily.net]

I bought my wood from a boat building company,(Sitka Spruce) and my douglas 
fir came from a old house that was being torn down
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KR> spruce to start the fuselage

[troy Mcgrew]

I am eager to start building the sides of the fuselage and called wicks to 
see what spruce I would need out of the spruce kit and they didn't know.


This is the first on the list, would this do it for the sides?

KR200-017 5/8X5/8X12' SPRUCE 6 EA
KR200-019 5/8X5/8X120'RAN SPRUCE 1 EA

KR> spruce to start the fuselage

[Mark Jones]

That will get you going on the frame for the sides.

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Wales, WI  USA
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Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 6:24 PM
Subject: KR> spruce to start the fuselage


> I am eager to start building the sides of the fuselage and called wicks to
> see what spruce I would need out of the spruce kit and they didn't know.
>
>
> This is the first on the list, would this do it for the sides?
>
> KR200-017 5/8X5/8X12' SPRUCE 6 EA
> KR200-019 5/8X5/8X120'RAN SPRUCE 1 EA
>
>
>
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KR> spruce to start the fuselage

[skp...@charter.net]

If you are building a KR2S you might want to change four of the 12' lengths to 
14'.

Steven Phillabaum
KR2S; 5048; corvair;
Auburn, Alabama


 troy Mcgrew  wrote: 
> I am eager to start building the sides of the fuselage and called wicks to 
> see what spruce I would need out of the spruce kit and they didn't know.
> 
> 
> This is the first on the list, would this do it for the sides?
> 
> KR200-017 5/8X5/8X12' SPRUCE 6 EA
> KR200-019 5/8X5/8X120'RAN SPRUCE 1 EA
> 
> 
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KR> spruce to start the fuselage

[Martindale Family]

Troy

There is a complete list of spruce requirements listed at the back of your 
registered plans.

John

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To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 11:24 AM
Subject: KR> spruce to start the fuselage


>I am eager to start building the sides of the fuselage and called wicks to
> see what spruce I would need out of the spruce kit and they didn't know.
>
>
> This is the first on the list, would this do it for the sides?
>
> KR200-017 5/8X5/8X12' SPRUCE 6 EA
> KR200-019 5/8X5/8X120'RAN SPRUCE 1 EA
>
>
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KR> Spruce order

[John Bavington]

Hi All,
After having recieved the plans, and after reading the manual through
- twice - I still can't find a breakdown of what timber is required.
I am hoping to order it through an Australian supplier, but can't work
out exactly what I neeed to get.
Does such a list exist? If so: where?
I'm really hoping there will be much derisive laughter and everyone
will jump on the net and say "It's on page ___!"
All I have been able to find is ordering info from RR, not a list of
exactly what is in eack part of the kit.

Thanks,
John.
http://au.geocities.com/johnbavington/

KR> Spruce order

[boeing757me...@aol.com]

There should have been a list with your plans. If not give me you address and I 
will mail you a copy if I can find it. Are you building a KR2 or a 2s?

Chris Theroux
Gilbert, AZ

KR> Spruce order

[Dean Cooper]

John wrote:
> After having recieved the plans, and after reading the manual through -
twice - I still can't find a breakdown of what timber is required.


John,

Here is what I found in last years Wicks catalog.  The new catalog I got at
the gathering didn't have the breakout.  I think this is what you were
looking for.  Sorry for the quality of the scan (It's hard scanning from a
book).  It's a pdf doc (adobe reader required), so you can save it to your
local machine once you pull it up.  Good luck.

http://www.geocities.com/djramccoop1/Parts_List.pdf


Dean Cooper
Jacksonville, FL
Email me at dean_coo...@bellsouth.net
See my KR project at www.geocities.com/djramccoop1/KR2_Home.html

KR> Spruce order

[John Bavington]

Chris,
I'm building a KR2S.
As I'm the second owner of the project it is possiblr that the list
was lost along the way, or sent to a supplier for a quote.
Email address is 
bavington at gmail.com
Thanks,
John.


On Sun, 3 Oct 2004 19:56:55 -0400, Dean Cooper
 wrote:
> John wrote:
> > After having recieved the plans, and after reading the manual through -
> twice - I still can't find a breakdown of what timber is required.
> 
> John,
> 
> Here is what I found in last years Wicks catalog.  The new catalog I got at
> the gathering didn't have the breakout.  I think this is what you were
> looking for.  Sorry for the quality of the scan (It's hard scanning from a
> book).  It's a pdf doc (adobe reader required), so you can save it to your
> local machine once you pull it up.  Good luck.
> 
> http://www.geocities.com/djramccoop1/Parts_List.pdf
> 
> 
> Dean Cooper
> Jacksonville, FL
> Email me at dean_coo...@bellsouth.net
> See my KR project at www.geocities.com/djramccoop1/KR2_Home.html
> 
> 
> 
> 
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KR> Spruce order

[GavinandLouise]

I didn't get a list with mine either John.

Gav
- Original Message - ,
> I'm building a KR2S.
> As I'm the second owner of the project it is possiblr that the list
> was lost along the way, or sent to a 

KR> Spruce order

[Phillip Matheson]

Gav
Send me a fax Number and I'll send it to you
also see new email

Phillip Matheson
mathe...@dodo.com.au
Australia
VH PKR
See our engines  and kits at.
http://www.vw-engines.com/
http://www.homebuilt-aviation.com/
See my KR Construction web page at
http://mywebpage.netscape.com/FlyingKRPhil/VHPKR.html

KR> Spruce

[Phillip Matheson]

I just had a idea about your timber lengths,
Some builders have cut the Longerons and rejoined them.When extending ther
KR's
Would this be an option and ship shorter lengths of wood.???

Phil Matheson
mathe...@dodo.com.au
Australia
61 3 58833588
See our  VW Engines and home built Parts
and Kits at:
http://www.vw-engines.com/
www.homebuilt-aviation.com

KR> Spruce

[Phillip Matheson]

Sorry that was not meant to be posted on the net

Phil Matheson
mathe...@dodo.com.au
Australia
61 3 58833588
See our  VW Engines and home built Parts
and Kits at: 
http://www.vw-engines.com/
www.homebuilt-aviation.com

KR>Spruce Order

[skp...@charter.net]

Before I order my spruce I want to know if anyone has a name of a contact at 
Aircraft Spruce.  He, She would be familar with the KR.  I plan on driving to 
pick up my order and talk face to face.  (I live less than two hours away.)

KR>Spruce Order

[boeing757me...@aol.com]

>Before I order my spruce I want to know if anyone has a name of a contact at 
Aircraft Spruce.  

Good luck! 

I have had so many problems with Aircraft Spruce I will never order from them 
again unless they are the only place I can find what I need. The last run in 
I had with them was over some bolts that I ordered. I messed up and ordered 
the wrong grip length, (my fault), but I asked if I could send them back for a 
refund and they said of course as long as they were not used. I had ordered 3 
different sizes lengths and the shortest one was way to long. I had only 
removed 1 bolt from the box that was the shortest length when I realized they 
were 
not going to work. I threw it back in the box and sent them back. After a week 
went by I called to find out why I had not received a credit to my account. 
They to me it had just went though today and was for half of what it should 
have 
been for because they said half of the bolts were missing. The only way I 
could prove that they were all there was the return shipping weight was the 
same 
as the initial shipping weight. After about 3 weeks of fighting I went to the 
president of the company Jim Irwin. He got It work out and I got my money back 
but I shouldn't have to run to the president every time the mess something up 
but apparently that is what it takes with Aircraft Spruce.

I placed 4 orders so far this year and they have messed up 3 of them.

Chris Theroux
Gilbert, AZ

KR>Spruce Order

[Ross Youngblood]

I don't know if you can find anyone at ACS familiar with the KR.
What is your question.

The founder of Wicks Aircraft built one of the first KR kits..
but that is the founder.

The employees of these places are usually regular non-kit building
people I have found.   You might find a KRnetter who could answer
your question.

On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 12:31:35 +,  wrote:

> Before I order my spruce I want to know if anyone has a name of a 
> contact at Aircraft Spruce.  He, She would be familar with the KR.  I 
> plan on driving to pick up my order and talk face to face.  (I live less 
> than two hours away.)
>
>
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KR>Spruce Order

[joe]

Think about it.

   Their are only so many sources for KR speciality made
parts. We could try to force one out of business.
   BUT, in the long run employees change jobs and service either improves or
gets worse.
   The fact that you were given open access to the
President of the company surprises the hell out of me.
   Six months from now things most probably won't seem
as serious as they do now.
   How many complaints have you seen in these Krnetter
messages.
  Next time you have a Spruce problem you know you
have ready access to the President of the company.
  A most reassuring fact. You may not have this type of
access with somebody else.

- Original Message - 
From: <boeing757me...@aol.com>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: KR>Spruce Order


> >Before I order my spruce I want to know if anyone has a name of a contact
at
> Aircraft Spruce.
>
> Good luck!
>
> I have had so many problems with Aircraft Spruce I will never order from
them
> again unless they are the only place I can find what I need. The last run
in
> I had with them was over some bolts that I ordered. I messed up and
ordered
> the wrong grip length, (my fault), but I asked if I could send them back
for a
> refund and they said of course as long as they were not used. I had
ordered 3
> different sizes lengths and the shortest one was way to long. I had only
> removed 1 bolt from the box that was the shortest length when I realized
they were
> not going to work. I threw it back in the box and sent them back. After a
week
> went by I called to find out why I had not received a credit to my
account.
> They to me it had just went though today and was for half of what it
should have
> been for because they said half of the bolts were missing. The only way I
> could prove that they were all there was the return shipping weight was
the same
> as the initial shipping weight. After about 3 weeks of fighting I went to
the
> president of the company Jim Irwin. He got It work out and I got my money
back
> but I shouldn't have to run to the president every time the mess something
up
> but apparently that is what it takes with Aircraft Spruce.
>
> I placed 4 orders so far this year and they have messed up 3 of them.
>
> Chris Theroux
> Gilbert, AZ
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KR>Spruce Order

[boeing757me...@aol.com]

In a message dated 3/4/2004 3:12:32 PM US Mountain Standard Time, 
feg...@earthlink.net writes:
Think about it.

   Their are only so many sources for KR speciality made
parts. We could try to force one out of business.
Well, it you lost 30 dollars on every order would you order from them again 
if you didn't have to? I have seen lost of complaints about AS

Chris Theroux 
Gilbert, AZ

KR>Spruce Order

[joe]

Dear Sir;

   I apologize for incorrectly reading your message. I was unaware that you
lost $30 on all your orders or even one for that matter.. Again I apologize.

   Joe
- Original Message - 
From: <boeing757me...@aol.com>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: KR>Spruce Order


> In a message dated 3/4/2004 3:12:32 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
> feg...@earthlink.net writes:
> Think about it.
>
>Their are only so many sources for KR speciality made
> parts. We could try to force one out of business.
> Well, it you lost 30 dollars on every order would you order from them
again
> if you didn't have to? I have seen lost of complaints about AS
>
> Chris Theroux
> Gilbert, AZ
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KR>Spruce Order

[Mark Jones]

- Original Message - 
From: 
> Good luck!
>
> I have had so many problems with Aircraft Spruce I will never order from
them
> again unless they are the only place I can find what I need.

Amen to that. Today I received a RAC trim system from AS and it did not
include the LED position indicator as they represent that it does. I ordered
the T4-5 model and when I received it, the instructions states that the
T4-5 servo has no compatible position indicator. The AS catalog leads you
to believe that all the RAC Systems come with a Servo, Clevis/Pushrod,
Rocker Switch and LED Position Indicator. Well, the T4-5 does not and I am
pi$$ed that I was mislead. Just another reason why it pays to deal with
Wick's. Unfortunately, Wick's does not offer these trim systems.

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Wales, WI  USA
E-mail me at flyk...@wi.rr.com
Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at
http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html

KR>spruce order thanx

[skp...@charter.net]

Thanks for the replies of the spruce order question.  I saw a lot of complaints 
so that is why I asked for a person to person contact. Does not seem to be one. 
 As far as time to ship.  That is why I want to drive to pick up. I personally 
purchased a "PILOT" headset as a back up from Aircraft Spruce.  $150.00 works 
great and got it within FIVE DAYS.  I guess the more you spend the harder they 
treat you.

Again thanks.
Steven Phillabaum
Auburn, Alabama

KR>Spruce Order

[intrepid...@juno.com]

> "Mark Jones"  writes:
> Today I received a RAC trim system from AS and it 
> did not include the LED position indicator as they represent
> that it does. I ordered the T4-5 model and when I received it,
> the instructions states that the T4-5 servo has no compatible
> position indicator. The AS catalog leads you to believe
> that all the RAC Systems come with a Servo, Clevis/Pushrod,
> Rocker Switch and LED Position Indicator. Well, the T4-5
> does not and I am pi$$ed that I was mislead.

  Misteaks hapenne; it's a large catalog and they get a lot of
  descriptions (and related good info.) right.

  OTOH, the opportunity is now presented to make up a simple
  position indicator and provide it to others feeling the pinch 
  from RAC not offering one.Perhaps a simple PC-board
  with a wiper contact attached to the moving arm of the servo,
  or even a potentiometer dialing an analog voltmeter in the
  cockpit ?A bar-graph LED display would be nice on the
  panel, easy to accomplish, and could work with either driver.

  Art Cacella   1970 American AA-1  N6155L  "Dinkie"
  1972 KR-1 Plans, still not started 
  ( but four metal homebuilts underway )
  Winston-Salem, NC


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KR>Spruce Order

[Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff]

Mark & Others,
One thing about some items that we buy from AS and or Wicks, many of these
same items can be ordered straight from the manufacture. I ordered my trim
servo from AS, but I see now that I could have ordered it direct from Ray
Allen off their website. Out of curiosity Mark, is this one for rudder or
aileron ?
Bud Midkiff
Lynnwood, WA
email: c.midk...@verizon.net
http://rayallencompany.com/index.html

- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Jones" <flyk...@wi.rr.com>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Cc: <j...@aircraftspruce.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: KR>Spruce Order


>
> - Original Message - 
> From: <boeing757me...@aol.com>
> > Good luck!
> >
> > I have had so many problems with Aircraft Spruce I will never order from
> them
> > again unless they are the only place I can find what I need.
>
> Amen to that. Today I received a RAC trim system from AS and it did not

KR>Spruce Order

[Mark Jones]

I am going to use it on my elevator. They do not specify in any of the
descriptions that it is designed for a particular application. I wanted the
compact design in order to imbed it in the elevator with room to spare.

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Wales, WI  USA
E-mail me at flyk...@wi.rr.com
Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at
http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html


- Original Message - 
From: "Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff" <c.midk...@verizon.net>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 10:02 PM
Subject: Re: KR>Spruce Order


> Mark & Others,
> One thing about some items that we buy from AS and or Wicks, many of
these
> same items can be ordered straight from the manufacture. I ordered my trim
> servo from AS, but I see now that I could have ordered it direct from
Ray
> Allen off their website. Out of curiosity Mark, is this one for rudder or
> aileron ?
> Bud Midkiff
> Lynnwood, WA
> email: c.midk...@verizon.net
> http://rayallencompany.com/index.html
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Mark Jones" <flyk...@wi.rr.com>
> To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
> Cc: <j...@aircraftspruce.com>
> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 4:54 PM
> Subject: Re: KR>Spruce Order
>
>
> >
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: <boeing757me...@aol.com>
> > > Good luck!
> > >
> > > I have had so many problems with Aircraft Spruce I will never order
from
> > them
> > > again unless they are the only place I can find what I need.
> >
> > Amen to that. Today I received a RAC trim system from AS and it did
not
>
>
>
>
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KR>Spruce Order

[Mac McConnell-Wood]

Ref ASandS /Wicks and GP's  I have been ordering stuff from this side of the
pond for the last 18 years and I have never had a problem. Until they
privatised our mail system it was cheaper and quicker to order from
stateside suppliers than our own .   Some people don't know when they're
well off !
RegardsMac McConnell-Wood G-BVZJ
Hampshire , England,   UK- Original Message - 
From: <intrepid...@juno.com>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 3:43 AM
Subject: Re: KR>Spruce Order


> > "Mark Jones" <flyk...@wi.rr.com> writes:
> > Today I received a RAC trim system from AS and it
> > did not include the LED position indicator as they represent
> > that it does. I ordered the T4-5 model and when I received it,
> > the instructions states that the T4-5 servo has no compatible
> > position indicator. The AS catalog leads you to believe
> > that all the RAC Systems come with a Servo, Clevis/Pushrod,
> > Rocker Switch and LED Position Indicator. Well, the T4-5
> > does not and I am pi$$ed that I was mislead.
>
>   Misteaks hapenne; it's a large catalog and they get a lot of
>   descriptions (and related good info.) right.
>
>   OTOH, the opportunity is now presented to make up a simple
>   position indicator and provide it to others feeling the pinch
>   from RAC not offering one.Perhaps a simple PC-board
>   with a wiper contact attached to the moving arm of the servo,
>   or even a potentiometer dialing an analog voltmeter in the
>   cockpit ?A bar-graph LED display would be nice on the
>   panel, easy to accomplish, and could work with either driver.
>
>   Art Cacella   1970 American AA-1  N6155L  "Dinkie"
>   1972 KR-1 Plans, still not started 
>   ( but four metal homebuilts underway )
>   Winston-Salem, NC
>
> 
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[larry severson]

They have a KR2 hanging from the ceiling! However, the spruce is cut to 
order. You will have to go back in 7-14 days.


>Before I order my spruce I want to know if anyone has a name of a contact 
>at Aircraft Spruce.  He, She would be familar with the KR.  I plan on 
>driving to pick up my order and talk face to face.  (I live less than two 
>hours away.)l

Larry Severson
Fountain Valley, CA 92708
(714) 968-9852
lar...@socal.rr.com 

Fwd: Re: KR>Spruce Order

[larry severson]

>They have a KR2 hanging from the ceiling!

Sorry, that is at the Corona store.


Larry Severson
Fountain Valley, CA 92708
(714) 968-9852
lar...@socal.rr.com 

KR>spruce list posted!

[Mark Langford]

NetHeads,

Bernie Wunder heeded the call, and sent me a list of Spruce for the KR2 that
he got from Wicks.  You might need to check against differences in the S if
you're going to build an S, but the only place I can think would be
different would be the length of the vertical stabilizer and rudder (maybe),
although there may be others.  Anyway, it's at
http://www.krnet.org/kr2woodkit.jpg .

Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL
N56ML "at"  hiwaay.net
see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford