KR> WW parts, building the "TWIN"

2008-10-12 Thread william Clapp
Hi guys - Well I guess Ill put in my two cents worth.  Im not sure if the 
whole"Jeff" thing was a prank or not but I thought it a little upsetting when I 
saw that somebody wanted to market direct copies of WW stuff.  Its nice enought 
that he gives us drawings for his parts and manual and colleges and more but we 
should let him profit where he can because believe me there isnt much profit in 
a College ( those who have been there understand) other that learning and 
building friendships.  I build engine at times and help others in their builds 
but I dont sell any parts that are copies of WW stuff.  In fact I recommend 
that if I help someone out that they purchase their stuff from WW and then I 
will help them install and test their build.  I do also build parts for WW at 
times but these parts are under his control and quality management, as it 
should be.   If you have something new and snazy for the Corvair market that is 
of your idea and design I welcome you.  Understand that
 we will check it out and want proven and tested items as much as possible.   
My airplane is a direct result of WW help and advise.  I do a lot of testing 
for him, as I am now with the Crane electronic points.   But I also take WW's 
criticism and advise seriously.  I suggest that you do as well.  If he want to 
sell you a part because he trusts it, believe me it isnt because he might make 
some money on it but because he cares for your safety.   I hope to see many 
more corvair powered aircraft safely in the air and I know that WW is a major 
part  of that.

   "Did you say TWIN?"   Somebody has asked and the answer is yes.  I am in the 
process of building a KR twin.   I guess I call it a KR because much of the 
design perameters and construction methods are similar.  The Fuselage is very 
similar in shape to mine, but 18" longer with a 20% Vertical and Rudder.  the 
Fuse itself is made of 3/4" Nomex carbon Fiber board and so should be light and 
very strong.  It is 40" in width at the shoulders and slightly narrower at the 
"firewall" (actually the forward baggage compartment and radio bay).   The 
Canopy is a dragonfly from Todds Canopies - should be here soon.  The elevator 
is a Lancair 320 premade part (good to 250 knots)  I currently have the wheels 
and brakes and a few other little goodies.   
  The wing will be the new airfoil 8" spar wing with a few minor 
modifications.  The outboard wings will remain basically stok with integral 
fuel tanks.  The center wing section is what will have some major changes.   It 
will be 10' long - 2' longer than stock and will have plywood skins top and 
bottome with wood or composite ribs for torsional and weight carrying loads.  
The  engines (2700 cc stock corvair) will be on mounts that attach to the main 
spars that have a tube reacing to the rear spar to carry loads.  The gear will 
be mounted off the engine mounts.  There should be less stress on the center 
spar in flight mode since the wings will carry the weight more evenly.  The 
mounts will carry the weight of the engines when on the ground.   The spars 
should not carry any more stress that a stock spar in a stock KR  even though 
this plane is set up to be 900 lb empty  and 1500 gross.  It will be very 
simple in design and control.  Just a larger KR2 with outboard
 engines.   I have the engine cores and some parts.   Right now just needing to 
make money to have time to work on it and buy some foam, wood and resin.  Maybe 
Gathering 08?   We shall see.   
  Pray for good decision making along the way. - Donations are 
welcomed...Remember, I have to build this thing for less that 8000.00!

  Bill Clapp


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KR> WW parts, building the "TWIN"

2008-10-12 Thread Fred Johnson
Sure would like to see the plans or schematics if you drawn up sometime.

Fred Johnson
Reno, NV


   "Did you say TWIN?"   

  Bill Clapp







KR> WW parts, building the "TWIN"

2008-10-12 Thread wilder_jeff Wilder


I would like to see a few pics, Bill have you actually started the build, 
I'm sure many of the others, as well as I, would enjoy what you documented 
so far.


-Jeff Wilder
CISSP,CCE,C/EH





KR> WW Parts

2008-10-12 Thread gary.shub...@comcast.net
Just to add to the discussion.
Jeff 's attitude may be a little harsh for the typical KR builder (me included) 
but he is not far off from a legal stand point. Unless WW patents his designs 
or portions of them they are available for copying or should I say reverse 
engineering. This protection costs $$'s and even more $$'s to enforce your 
rights. I work for a company that is reverse engineering a competitors product 
and yes it is aviation related. The real question is can you make a business 
case for doing this?
Regarding the copyright issue. The law (at least in the US) only requires that 
a creator put their work in a tangible form to obtain copyright protection. 
WW's manual is tangible. WW limits the use of his manual for conversion of one 
motor and that is a license. You can currently register your work yourself with 
the government for $45 this gives you some additional protection and I think it 
is worth the hassel (Later this year the price will drop to $35 for 
e-registering). In case you are wondering NO I am not a lawyer but I do this 
stuff every day as a welding engineer assigned to our legal department.
I purchased the WW manual (and now the assembly videos) and have a Vair in 
parts in my barn awaiting the $'s to send the crank out and to buy the 
Vari-IOU-s parts for the conversion. The original plan was to build a Flybaby 
but a KR project fell into my lap (which included another WW manual and 2 KR 
manuals all original and yes I sent letters to WW & JR to transfer the 
registration of these manuals so now I am double booked with both).
I am not planning to be a regular poster but I am a regular reader of the list 
and the web forum.
Project status. - Picked up the project In late last year
Boat complete - Thanks to 3 previous builders (I am #4)
Diel Gear and wing skins still in the boxes
RR canopy and rear turtle deck.
I am starting to organize prior to this years building season (it has been too 
cold in Connecticut to build in my barn with no heat) and I am finding that 
during the winter and with the project I have collected a lot of "extras". I am 
a big ebay buyer and I guess I will start to sell the stuff soon. When I get 
ready to list what I have I'll post it here and on the web first so the KR 
community can have first shot at it.
Thanks to everyone including Jeff that contribute to this group it helps those 
of us who are babes in the KR woods from getting two lost.
Gary Shubert
East Hampton, Connecticut
N325JG


KR> WW Parts

2008-10-12 Thread Bob Glidden
I think that rather it is copy right protected or not that it would take a 
real piece of work (to keep it clean) to take something that EVERYONE knows 
has been a lot of hard work to put together on WW end.And to start selling 
it.I guess that I'm old school and was taught that integrity is a good 
thing.To keep this KR related,I'm looking for a flying or almost flying KR 
with or without engine.Please email me off list..
  " Happy Easter Netters "


Bob Glidden
Eminence,Indiana
KR2S N181FW (building)
Corvair 110
glid...@ccrtc.com