KR> Fuel tanks...My donation to the cause

[Craig Williams]

Ok guys and gals

http://www.kr2seafury.com/11.html


Those fuel tank halves I just listed. ?$50 each and I'll pay the shipping and 
all the money will go to Bob Lee. ?You get some almost ready wing or header 
tanks and Bob's family gets some money. ?Everybody wins.

Craig
www.kr2seafury.com
816-797-1959

KR> Fuel Tanks.

[Nerobro]

And sonex
On Feb 18, 2014 3:48 PM, "Tony King"  wrote:

> Polyethylene tanks are common in ultralights.
>
> TK
>
> On 19 February 2014 04:52, Wayne Tokarz  wrote:
>
> > Let's put this one to rest, In all the world of motor sports and
> vehicles,
> > only ONE plastic is used to make fuel tanks and gas cans, polyethylene,
> > period. Without any technical backing to this, other than a life time of
> > observation, and owning an assortment of vehicles. I only know of 3
> > materials used to contain fuel in the aviation world, (must be a reason
> for
> > it), metal, (either aluminum or steel), rubber, (bladders), vinyl-ester
> > resins in composite tanks. Pretty sure I'll get corrected on this one!
> LOL.
> > There is only so much we can do to our little planes, but with fuel
> > problems
> > being the no.1 cause of small plane crashes and home builts in
> particular,
> > I
> > sure as heck would not want to be statistic, so I would be very
> > conservative
> > in my fuel system/tank design.
> >
> > Rant of the day, LOL
> > Wayne
> >
> > -Original Message-----
> > From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of jon
> kimmel
> > Sent: February-18-14 10:54 AM
> > To: KRnet
> > Subject: Re: KR> Fuel Tanks.
> >
> > I recently questioned why there was a difference between pvc pipe and pvc
> > fence posts...i looked at a site called weatherables.comtheir vinyl
> > fence posts are definitely pvc.  I e-mailed them and asked why there
> might
> > be a difference and they didn't know.  I thought that the difference
> might
> > be in the manufacturing process...maybe there's more porosity in the
> pipe.
> >
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KR> Fuel Tanks.

[Tony King]

Polyethylene tanks are common in ultralights.

TK

On 19 February 2014 04:52, Wayne Tokarz  wrote:

> Let's put this one to rest, In all the world of motor sports and vehicles,
> only ONE plastic is used to make fuel tanks and gas cans, polyethylene,
> period. Without any technical backing to this, other than a life time of
> observation, and owning an assortment of vehicles. I only know of 3
> materials used to contain fuel in the aviation world, (must be a reason for
> it), metal, (either aluminum or steel), rubber, (bladders), vinyl-ester
> resins in composite tanks. Pretty sure I'll get corrected on this one! LOL.
> There is only so much we can do to our little planes, but with fuel
> problems
> being the no.1 cause of small plane crashes and home builts in particular,
> I
> sure as heck would not want to be statistic, so I would be very
> conservative
> in my fuel system/tank design.
>
> Rant of the day, LOL
> Wayne
>
> -Original Message-
> From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of jon kimmel
> Sent: February-18-14 10:54 AM
> To: KRnet
> Subject: Re: KR> Fuel Tanks.
>
> I recently questioned why there was a difference between pvc pipe and pvc
> fence posts...i looked at a site called weatherables.comtheir vinyl
> fence posts are definitely pvc.  I e-mailed them and asked why there might
> be a difference and they didn't know.  I thought that the difference might
> be in the manufacturing process...maybe there's more porosity in the pipe.
>
> https://sites.google.com/site/mykr2stretch/
> https://sites.google.com/site/mykr2stretch/parts-for-sale
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KR> Fuel Tanks.

[jon kimmel]

I recently questioned why there was a difference between pvc pipe and pvc
fence posts...i looked at a site called weatherables.comtheir vinyl
fence posts are definitely pvc.  I e-mailed them and asked why there might
be a difference and they didn't know.  I thought that the difference might
be in the manufacturing process...maybe there's more porosity in the pipe.

https://sites.google.com/site/mykr2stretch/
https://sites.google.com/site/mykr2stretch/parts-for-sale

KR> Fuel Tanks.

[Mike Sylvester]

I have already passed the point of no return on my fuel system but for all of 
you guys that are still contemplating 5 inch aluminum tubes in the outer wing. 
How about using a larger tube such as a 12 inch and compress it to fit the 
airfoil design. I would think that a plywood box could be built in the shape 
you need and start bending until it fits. Cap the ends and walla, A fuel cell 
with more capacity.

Mike Sylvester 
kr2s builder 
Birmingham,AL.

Cell no.205-966-3854  

KR> fuel tanks

[Dan Heath]

.040, but with the baffles I put in it, I could have used .035 with no
problem.

See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics 
See you at the 2011 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN
There is a time for building and it never seems to end.
Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC

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Of rkp...@comcast.net
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 9:33 AM
To: krnet
Subject: KR> fuel tanks





Dan, 

  What thickness was the material you use on your fuel tanks? I'm thinking
about building my header tank. 

Robert Pesak 

Hermitage, Tn.  

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[tinya...@aol.com]

Robert,
  I just went though your photobucket photos and I must say that is  one 
OUTSTANDING KR!!  My favorite part is the one piece wing.  NICE  NICE NICE

Kevin Golden
Harrisonville, MO
(Streak Shadow)


In a message dated 2/13/2011 8:33:26 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
rkp...@comcast.net writes:





Dan, 

What thickness was the material  you use on your fuel tanks? I'm thinking 
about building my header tank.  

Robert Pesak 

Hermitage, Tn.   

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Dan, 

  What thickness was the material you use on your fuel tanks? I'm thinking 
about building my header tank. 

Robert Pesak 

Hermitage, Tn.  

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KR> Fuel Tanks

[Larry Flesner]

At 08:51 AM 7/10/2009, you wrote:
>How do
>I add an additional 4 gal of fuel without major structural work? Is the best
>a 4 gal tank behind cockpit?
>Louis Cronje
+++

My advise is to put NOTHING behind the pilot that is not absolutely necessary.
The KR is already prone to be a bit tail heavy when built to plans.  Your KR
may be different by moving the engine forward, etc.  Only a W measurement
will tell the story.

My guess on the easiest way to get an additional 4+ gallon would be to place
a 4 or 5 gallon tank in one or both sides of the wing center section outside
of the fuselage.  Use  an electric fuel pump with an on/off switch to transfer
fuel to the header tank where you have an electric or site gauge.  A FUEL
PROOF clear line would let you know if the tank is empty so you don't run
the pump with no fuel.  That might not be a problem with the small electric
pumps but I have no knowledge on that.

Larry Flesner

KR> Fuel Tanks

[Larry Flesner]

At 06:37 PM 7/10/2009, you wrote:
>I am going to put my fuel in the wings.  Larry Flesner says that I can get
>10 gallons in each wing, which will give me my 20 gallons.  I am going to
>remove the header tank completely.
Daniel R. Heath


You can get much more than 10 gallon in the outer wing panels but I 
wouldn't do it.

I have a 12.5 gallon tank in each outer wing panel with no header tank.
My tank is 10 inches horizontal behind the main spar and runs from
the root 48 inch rib to the outer 36 inch rib in a stock KR2 RAF 48 wing.

http://mysite.verizon.net/flesner/22.jpg

The math prior to building indicated a 12.5 gallon tank.  A later fill from a
metered pump indicated 12.8 gallon so it was pretty close.  By keeping
the tank long and narrow you keep the bulk of the fuel very close to
the C.G. so you get very little C.G. shift with fuel burn.  If you eliminate
the header tank make sure you do a good W to make sure everything
stays in the C.G. envelope.

I later found that with a tank in the out wing I needed to cut an access panel
in the inboard wing so I could attach fuel lines, etc., when installing the
outer wing panel.  I cut the panel on the bottom side of the inboard 
wing, hinged
it on the forward edge and hold it shut with two small screws on the trail
edge.  I think I settled on a 4"X 9" panel so I could get both hands inside the
wing to make attachments.  You may need a smaller or larger opening.

  350 hours and no problems to date.

Larry Flesner

KR> Fuel Tanks

[Stephen Glover]

Hello Louis,

We have the molds for the standard KR-2 tank and can produce one if you
would like.  Included is the aluminum outlet flange.  The cost is $365.00
USD.  You can PayPal if you like at n92...@cox.net  I was looking on the
KR-net website and the KR-2 stuff has not been updated in quite some time
and definitely outdated.


Sincerely,

Steve Glover
Former KR-2 N902G
Corona, CA
kr...@cox.net


.  
-Original Message-

The prefabricated header tank
on Fly KR, is that a 12 gal tank and are they still producing these? 

KR> Fuel Tanks

[Dan Heath]

I have a stock KR2 with a 2180 VW.  It has a 12.5 gallon header tank and I
flew it to the KR Gathering and back last year.  I can fly more than 2 hours
on that tank with reserve, so it is enough.  However, I could have easily
made the Gathering with just one stop, if I had about 20 gallons, and I do
wish that I had that extra fuel.

I am going to put my fuel in the wings.  Larry Flesner says that I can get
10 gallons in each wing, which will give me my 20 gallons.  I am going to
remove the header tank completely. 

I have another motivation for this.  I plan to put a Corvair engine on this
plane next year, so need to move some weight to the rear, and this is one
way to do some of that.

I need to find out how Larry got 10 gallons in each wing.

I would definitely NOT put fuel behind the cockpit, but then, another
motivation for me, is to get the fuel OUT of the cockpit.  Just cause.

See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics 
See you at the 2009 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Ill
There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for Flying
has begun.
Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC

-Original Message-

How do I add an additional 4 gal of fuel without major structural work? Is
the best
a 4 gal tank behind cockpit? 

KR> Fuel Tanks

[Lee Van Dyke]

Ferry tank.  I used a 5 gal plastic boat tank with a fossett fuel pump to 
add fuel to the header tank while flying.  All you need to do is add a barb 
to the top of the tank. ( you can do this with the panel off)  I added a 
hose with a quick connect boat fitting.  the fuel pump was attached to the 
tank and was plugged into a AC adaptor.  I still have the same set up but 
had a new tank made from alum, that fits in the sling seat and is now 12 
gals.  I can go over 500 miles with no problem.  If you want photos E-mail 
me off line and I can send them to you.

Lee Van Dyke


- Original Message - 
From: "Louis Cronje" <lcro...@vodamail.co.za>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 6:51 AM
Subject: KR> Fuel Tanks


Hi All,



I have recently purchased a stock KR2. I am starting with PPL so not flying
it yet. I have had a couple of changes in mind. The biggest one at the
moment is the header tank. This craft only has a 10 gal header tank. It is
about 4 gal short of where I would like to be. The prefabricated header tank
on Fly KR, is that a 12 gal tank and are they still producing these? How do
I add an additional 4 gal of fuel without major structural work? Is the best
a 4 gal tank behind cockpit?



Any advice would be appreciated.



Regards



Louis Cronje

Pretoria

South Africa

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[Louis Cronje]

Hi All,



I have recently purchased a stock KR2. I am starting with PPL so not flying
it yet. I have had a couple of changes in mind. The biggest one at the
moment is the header tank. This craft only has a 10 gal header tank. It is
about 4 gal short of where I would like to be. The prefabricated header tank
on Fly KR, is that a 12 gal tank and are they still producing these? How do
I add an additional 4 gal of fuel without major structural work? Is the best
a 4 gal tank behind cockpit? 



Any advice would be appreciated.



Regards



Louis Cronje

Pretoria

South Africa

KR> Fuel tanks and high altitudes

[Jeff Scott]

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KR> Fuel tanks and high altitudes

[Eric Kelsheimer]

  This is the result of the boating industries plite with alcohol in 
the gas as it sits in the fuel cell it eats away at the resin, normal gas 
wont do that its the alcohol that is causing the problem. So make sure you 
dont pump it in your tanks it will cause problems especially if it sits for 
an extended period of time.
  There are coatings you can use to prevent any damage but they are 
hard to apply after the plane is built. They are best applied during the 
building stage. I plan to coat my tanks for the added insurance and peace of 
mind. I can control what I do but not the other guy filling the tank that Im 
pumping from!!! A lot of the dock filling stations went to gasohol without 
giving it a thought till it was to late. Now everyone is in a panic, as far 
as I can tell there is no fiberglass resin that is safe from the effects of 
the alcohol eating away at it.
   There is however a company that makes a sealer that will protect your 
tank from it's effect. It's made by H. B. Fuller Company 1-888-423-8553 It 
is a two part epoxy called Polysulfide Part # is FE1407  I have this 
information from Wicks as they have had sever inquires for something to 
protect against the off chance their tanks would have alcohol put in them. 
Wicks is going to send me a copy of the information sheet on this product if 
anyone wants the information I will send it to you. Just contact me off list 
for the information. Eric Von Kelsheimer 

KR> Fuel tanks and high altitudes

[bob]

>>Now everyone is in a panic, as far as I can tell
>>there is no fiberglass resin that is safe from
>>the effects of the alcohol eating away at it.

Vinyl Ester is *supposed* to be impervious to alcohol,
Spruce sells it.  Might be a good idea to check on 
compatibility with whatever resin system you use on the
KR wings before slobbering it all over the inside of 
your tanks.

http://www.hirschauto.com/acb/showdetl.cfm?=27_ID=6=3

Wicks is reselling this tank sealant, in exactly the
same cans, with a big 'Auto Use Only' warning (wink wink).
Hirsch sells the quarts directly a few bucks cheaper, and
they sell 1 and 5 gallon cans as well.  I just ordered a 
gallon, will let you know in 5 years or so how it's worked
out.  At the bottom of their fuel FAQ the last line mentions
being used in airplanes.

Bob

KR> Fuel tanks and high altitudes

[Eric Kelsheimer]

 Bob, Thanks for the heads up I will be ordering a gallon as well. 
It looks like the product I have been looking for all along! Im using 
Aeropoxy for everything in my plane but its not a KR, its composite 
construction. The whole plane is 2lb foam and fiberglass with some areas in 
Carbon fiber. My wingtip tanks are fiberglass premolded tanks with baffels 
and I have no idea what type of resin was used in their construction. The 
company that made them went under long ago. I bought an unfinished project 
with all the factory parts. Im just getting started building the Rudder and 
Wingtip tanks as soon as my stuff gets here from Spruce and Wicks :) Have a 
good one
Eric Von Kelsheimer 

KR> Fuel tanks and high altitudes

[D Lively]

netters:

H.B. Fuller mahes a lot of chemical resisting coatings.  I used their products 
at Aerojet in Sacramento to protect or resist the attack on concrete by N2O4( 
Nitrogen Tetroxide) that forms Red Fuming Nitric acid when exposed to moisture 
in the air and Unsymetrical Di-methyl Hydrazine(UDMH) and to coat a floor to 
prevent pure Nitro Glycerine from being absorbed by the concrete which would 
tend to give the concrete an explosive personality foe a long period of time.

You might also check with "Carboline Corp" in St. Louis on Hanley for coatings.

I would say just go with 5052 aluminum from the start if you can because I only 
see the compatability problem getting worse long befoe it gets better.

Don Lively
Burlington IA


- Original Message - 
From: "Eric Kelsheimer" <erickelshei...@hughes.net>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: KR> Fuel tanks and high altitudes


>  This is the result of the boating industries plite with alcohol in 
> the gas as it sits in the fuel cell it eats away at the resin, normal gas 
> wont do that its the alcohol that is causing the problem. So make sure you 
> dont pump it in your tanks it will cause problems especially if it sits for 
> an extended period of time.
>  There are coatings you can use to prevent any damage but they are 
> hard to apply after the plane is built. They are best applied during the 
> building stage. I plan to coat my tanks for the added insurance and peace of 
> mind. I can control what I do but not the other guy filling the tank that Im 
> pumping from!!! A lot of the dock filling stations went to gasohol without 
> giving it a thought till it was to late. Now everyone is in a panic, as far 
> as I can tell there is no fiberglass resin that is safe from the effects of 
> the alcohol eating away at it.
>   There is however a company that makes a sealer that will protect your 
> tank from it's effect. It's made by H. B. Fuller Company 1-888-423-8553 It 
> is a two part epoxy called Polysulfide Part # is FE1407  I have this 
> information from Wicks as they have had sever inquires for something to 
> protect against the off chance their tanks would have alcohol put in them. 
> Wicks is going to send me a copy of the information sheet on this product if 
> anyone wants the information I will send it to you. Just contact me off list 
> for the information. Eric Von Kelsheimer 
> 
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KR> KR Fuel Tanks

[Robin Wills]

There is a KR running around in South Africa I believe that has the tip
tanks A'la Twin Cessna.

ZS-UKU is the plane and there is a photo of it on my website
http://mywebsite.bigpond.com/krviator/photo_copy(1).htm
I don't know where I got the photo or whose plane it is, but if you took
the photo, please let me know so I can credit you.

Cheers,


Robin Wills
Second Person, Pacific National
KR-2 194594, Ser # N111

  krvia...@bigpond.com

KR> KR Fuel Tanks

[Willie van der Walt]

  I feel sad every time I see a photo of ZS-UKU. This plane belonged to the 
local KR2 Agent ( Sakkie) that was killed in the only fatal KR2 accident in 
South Africa. This plane was white in 1982 and changed colors in about 1985. 
I am not sure if it is still flying. Most of the KR2 planes built here in 
the early 80"s was fitted with these tip tanks.

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  From: "Robin Wills" <krvia...@bigpond.com>
  To: <kr...@mylist.net>
  Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 12:34 AM
  Subject: KR> KR Fuel Tanks


  > There is a KR running around in South Africa I believe that has the tip
  > tanks A'la Twin Cessna.
  >
  > ZS-UKU is the plane and there is a photo of it on my website
  > http://mywebsite.bigpond.com/krviator/photo_copy(1).htm
  > I don't know where I got the photo or whose plane it is, but if you took
  > the photo, please let me know so I can credit you.

KR> KR fuel tanks

[Mick Myal]

Any KR builders  interested in Cessna 310 type tip tanks?
Mick Myal
m...@dcn2.net

KR> KR fuel tanks

[Dave Arbogast, CISSP]

I've thought they would be a good idea. Has anyone ever added them ?

-dave

Mick Myal wrote:

>Any KR builders  interested in Cessna 310 type tip tanks?
>Mick Myal
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KR> KR fuel tanks

[George Vandor]

yes yes yes! from geo vandor building kr1+ if you make them i will by!
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Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 4:15 PM
Subject: KR> KR fuel tanks


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> Mick Myal
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KR> Fuel Tanks

[Steve Bray]

Randy I traded a VP-1 to a man in Texas, he without knowing put a blended fuel 
in and it melted his tank (glass) which went to the RevFlowand stuck the slide 
wide open while he was propping the plane. It put he and his wife in the 
hospital and killed the VP.  This is not a tale, I have pictures. He didn't do 
anything wrong that he was aware of but that didn't change the outcome and it 
could have been a lot worse. Alcohal will eat rubber parts and could do the 
same thing, be careful. Steve BrayJackson, Tennessee> Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 
02:32:41 -0600> From: riksh...@interl.net> To: kr...@mylist.net> Subject: Re: 
KR> Fuel Tanks> > Randy:> > That may well be but I still think it wise guidence 
given the FAA's basis for the> ruling.> > Don>   
> > 
Randy Smith wrote:> > > That reg is for certified planes only> > --- kenneth l 
wiltrout <kwiltrout1...@verizon.net>> > wrote:> >> > > OK ---Thanx> > > 
Kenny> > >> > > -Original Message-> > > From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net> 
> > [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf> > > Of D F Lively> > > Sent: 
Monday, December 04, 2006 10:59 AM> > > To: KRnet> > > Subject: Re: KR> Fuel 
Tanks> > >> > > Ken Wiltrout:> > >> > > FAA Regs do not permit the use of  fuel 
containing> > > alcohol.  I discovered> > > this> > > while checking into what 
was ivvolved in getting an> > > STC to use auto fuel in> > > a> > > cirtified 
engine.> > >> > > Don> > >> > > kenneth l wiltrout wrote:> > >> > > > Thanks 
Larry--Since I had good luck with> > > AeroPoxy I'll probably> > > > 
stick with that. My tank is leak free for 7 yrs> > > now. I heard these 
epoxies> > > > don't do well if running auto fuel that has> > > alcohol. 100LL 
should still be> > > a> > > > safe bet.> > > >> > > > -Original 
Message-> > > > From:> > > 
krnet-bounces+kwiltrout1953=verizon@mylist.net> > > >> > >> > 
[mailto:krnet-bounces+kwiltrout1953=verizon@mylist.net]> > > On Behalf Of> 
> > > Larry Flesner> > > > Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 8:42 AM> > > 
> To: KRnet> > > > Subject: Re: KR> Fuel Tanks> > > >> > > > At 07:22 AM 
12/4/2006, you wrote:> > > >> > > > >When I built 6399U I used AeroPoxy & Cloth 
to> > > build the header> > > > >tank-Has anyone used the West System? 
I> > > run 100LL.> > > > >Ken Wiltrout> > > > 
+> > > >> > > > My project 
started with Safety Poxy II years ago> > > and I kept> > > > switching as the 
products disappeared from the> > > market.> > > > I don't recall exactly which 
one I used to build> > > the tanks but> > > > I'm sure I was using the West 
System four years> > > ago when> > > > I was repairing the leaks in my left 
wing tank.> > > For three years> > > > I was running auto fuel and I've 
switched to 100LL> > > the past> > > > year or so due to availability. (I'm 
getting it> > > free at the airport> > > > from our fuel sampling barrel !) So 
far, no> > > problems.> > > >> > > > Larry Flesner> > > >> > > > 
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KR> Fuel Tanks

[Larry Flesner]

At 07:22 AM 12/4/2006, you wrote:

>When I built 6399U I used AeroPoxy & Cloth to build the header
>tank-Has anyone used the West System? I run 100LL.
>Ken Wiltrout
+

My project started with Safety Poxy II years ago and I kept
switching as the products disappeared from the market.
I don't recall exactly which one I used to build the tanks but
I'm sure I was using the West System four years ago when
I was repairing the leaks in my left wing tank.   For three years
I was running auto fuel and I've switched to 100LL the past
year or so due to availability. (I'm getting it free at the airport
from our fuel sampling barrel !) So far, no problems.

Larry Flesner

KR> Fuel Tanks

[kenneth l wiltrout]

Thanks Larry--Since I had good luck with AeroPoxy I'll probably
stick with that. My tank is leak free for 7 yrs now. I heard these epoxies
don't do well if running auto fuel that has alcohol. 100LL should still be a
safe bet.

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Larry Flesner
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 8:42 AM
To: KRnet
Subject: Re: KR> Fuel Tanks

At 07:22 AM 12/4/2006, you wrote:

>When I built 6399U I used AeroPoxy & Cloth to build the header
>tank-Has anyone used the West System? I run 100LL.
>Ken Wiltrout
+

My project started with Safety Poxy II years ago and I kept
switching as the products disappeared from the market.
I don't recall exactly which one I used to build the tanks but
I'm sure I was using the West System four years ago when
I was repairing the leaks in my left wing tank.   For three years
I was running auto fuel and I've switched to 100LL the past
year or so due to availability. (I'm getting it free at the airport
from our fuel sampling barrel !) So far, no problems.

Larry Flesner


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KR> Fuel Tanks

[D F Lively]

Ken Wiltrout:

FAA Regs do not permit the use of  fuel containing alcohol.  I discovered this
while checking into what was ivvolved in getting an STC to use auto fuel in a
cirtified engine.

Don

kenneth l wiltrout wrote:

> Thanks Larry--Since I had good luck with AeroPoxy I'll probably
> stick with that. My tank is leak free for 7 yrs now. I heard these epoxies
> don't do well if running auto fuel that has alcohol. 100LL should still be a
> safe bet.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: krnet-bounces+kwiltrout1953=verizon@mylist.net
> [mailto:krnet-bounces+kwiltrout1953=verizon@mylist.net] On Behalf Of
> Larry Flesner
> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 8:42 AM
> To: KRnet
> Subject: Re: KR> Fuel Tanks
>
> At 07:22 AM 12/4/2006, you wrote:
>
> >When I built 6399U I used AeroPoxy & Cloth to build the header
> >tank-Has anyone used the West System? I run 100LL.
> >Ken Wiltrout
> +
>
> My project started with Safety Poxy II years ago and I kept
> switching as the products disappeared from the market.
> I don't recall exactly which one I used to build the tanks but
> I'm sure I was using the West System four years ago when
> I was repairing the leaks in my left wing tank.   For three years
> I was running auto fuel and I've switched to 100LL the past
> year or so due to availability. (I'm getting it free at the airport
> from our fuel sampling barrel !) So far, no problems.
>
> Larry Flesner
>
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KR> Fuel Tanks

[kenneth l wiltrout]

OK ---Thanx
Kenny

-Original Message-
From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf
Of D F Lively
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 10:59 AM
To: KRnet
Subject: Re: KR> Fuel Tanks

Ken Wiltrout:

FAA Regs do not permit the use of  fuel containing alcohol.  I discovered
this
while checking into what was ivvolved in getting an STC to use auto fuel in
a
cirtified engine.

Don

kenneth l wiltrout wrote:

> Thanks Larry--Since I had good luck with AeroPoxy I'll probably
> stick with that. My tank is leak free for 7 yrs now. I heard these epoxies
> don't do well if running auto fuel that has alcohol. 100LL should still be
a
> safe bet.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: krnet-bounces+kwiltrout1953=verizon@mylist.net
> [mailto:krnet-bounces+kwiltrout1953=verizon@mylist.net] On Behalf Of
> Larry Flesner
> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 8:42 AM
> To: KRnet
> Subject: Re: KR> Fuel Tanks
>
> At 07:22 AM 12/4/2006, you wrote:
>
> >When I built 6399U I used AeroPoxy & Cloth to build the header
> >tank-Has anyone used the West System? I run 100LL.
> >Ken Wiltrout
> +
>
> My project started with Safety Poxy II years ago and I kept
> switching as the products disappeared from the market.
> I don't recall exactly which one I used to build the tanks but
> I'm sure I was using the West System four years ago when
> I was repairing the leaks in my left wing tank.   For three years
> I was running auto fuel and I've switched to 100LL the past
> year or so due to availability. (I'm getting it free at the airport
> from our fuel sampling barrel !) So far, no problems.
>
> Larry Flesner
>
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KR> fuel tanks

[feg...@sbcglobal.net]

What are the most fuel tanks a KR can have and still
maintain proper cg limits. and where would they be located
and at what capacities.

JR

KR> fuel tanks

[Martindale Family]

I have four tanks as follows: 20 left outer  30 left inner  30 right inner
20 right outer litres across the wing between the front and rear spar. Can
only fly solo no baggage with the full 100 litre which then grosses at
1200lbs.  Two up (say 77kg each) requires both the outers to be empty and
about 20 only in each of the inners. CoG remains within the recommended 8-12
inches aft of root leading edge at all times.

John

Martindale Family
29 Jane Circuit
TOORMINA NSW 2452
AUSTRALIA

ph:  61 2 66584767
email: johnja...@optusnet.com.au
web: http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/johnjanet/Martindale.htm
- Original Message - 
From: <feg...@sbcglobal.net>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 5:58 PM
Subject: KR> fuel tanks


> What are the most fuel tanks a KR can have and still
> maintain proper cg limits. and where would they be located
> and at what capacities.
>
> JR
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KR> fuel tanks

[Dan Heath]

The answer to this varies greatly by the CG that the plane would have empty.
You have to know that first, to know what affect, moving the fuel around,
will have. There is a spread sheet for a KR2 and one for a KR2s at the link
shown below. You can plug in your numbers, add some additional cells for the
fuel you want to add, and see how it comes out. The one for the KR2s may
help you the most because it has aux fuel tanks and the KR2 only has a
header tank.

http://krbuilder.org/WeightAndBalance/W_Documents.html

See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics 

See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering

There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building
is OVER.

Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC

---Original Message---

What are the most fuel tanks a KR can have and still

maintain proper cg limits. and where would they be located

and at what capacities.

KR> fuel tanks

[Colin Rainey]

JR
No putdown intended but the way you asked that question and content of fuel
tanks etc...
If you don't know, and don't know how to calculate what effects, this
network won't solve it for you. You need to stick to a header tank and go
fly a KR2S.
Take a look in the archives under fuel tanks, and then educate yourself by
looking at my website for header tank info, Mark Langford's site for stub
wing tanks, Mark Jones' and Larry Flesner's sites for wing tanks.
Then go find yourself a good CFI, and pay him for an hour of his time, and
have him teach you weight and balance.  That is the only safe way I know to
build more than just a header tank setup...

New netters, not negative, but before asking a bunch of the same questions,
check the archives per the information page for signup, and see if there
has been anything posted ont he subject. Secondly, take the time to READ
ALL the construction pages, and some of the completion pages of KR's. 
There is a wealth of information there, and will answer many of the
questions that are posted here over and over.  Before ever even looking to
buy my KR2, I spent 2 months just reading posts, and reading web pages and
getting educated that way.  Once you have that knowledge, ask about what is
missing to fill the gap

Colin Rainey
First National Mortgage Sources
Lending Solutions in All 50 States
386-673-6814 office
407-739-0834 cell
brokerpilot9...@earthlink.net



> [Original Message]
> From: <feg...@sbcglobal.net>
> To: <kr...@mylist.net>
> Date: 1/28/2006 1:59:52 AM
> Subject: KR> fuel tanks
>
> What are the most fuel tanks a KR can have and still
> maintain proper cg limits. and where would they be located
> and at what capacities.
>
> JR
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KR> fuel tanks

[Larry Flesner]

>
>Take a look in the archives under fuel tanks, and then educate yourself by
>looking at my website for header tank info, Mark Langford's site for stub
>wing tanks, Mark Jones' and Larry Flesner's sites for wing tanks.
>Then go find yourself a good CFI, and pay him for an hour of his time, and
>have him teach you weight and balance.  That is the only safe way I know to
>build more than just a header tank setup...
>Colin Rainey
+++

When looking at the different KR and their fuel setup, remember, each
one is different and will be different than the one you build.  Example,
while I have wing tanks only, my fuselage is stretched 24" and I'm
running an 0-200 on a HAPI VW mount  that is mounted on one inch
spacers on the firewall.  I think you get my point.

As Colin stated,  you really need to do the math on your own KR to
insure a flyable airplane.  Other KR's can give you a "ballpark"
idea as long as you know the details of each KR.

Larry Flesner

KR> fuel tanks

[feg...@sbcglobal.net]

Thanks, JR
- Original Message - 
From: "Larry Flesner" <fles...@verizon.net>
To: <brokerpilot9...@earthlink.net>; "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 6:29 AM
Subject: KR> fuel tanks


>
>>
>>Take a look in the archives under fuel tanks, and then educate yourself by
>>looking at my website for header tank info, Mark Langford's site for stub
>>wing tanks, Mark Jones' and Larry Flesner's sites for wing tanks.
>>Then go find yourself a good CFI, and pay him for an hour of his time, and
>>have him teach you weight and balance.  That is the only safe way I know 
>>to
>>build more than just a header tank setup...
>>Colin Rainey
> +++
>
> When looking at the different KR and their fuel setup, remember, each
> one is different and will be different than the one you build.  Example,
> while I have wing tanks only, my fuselage is stretched 24" and I'm
> running an 0-200 on a HAPI VW mount  that is mounted on one inch
> spacers on the firewall.  I think you get my point.
>
> As Colin stated,  you really need to do the math on your own KR to
> insure a flyable airplane.  Other KR's can give you a "ballpark"
> idea as long as you know the details of each KR.
>
> Larry Flesner
>
>
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KR> fuel tanks

[feg...@sbcglobal.net]

Thanks for all the advice. Maybe I got a little lazy by asking
the whole group the question on fuel tanks. But it was
driven when I read a KR website that showed two PVC
pipes in each wing. And I realized there may be construction methods I haven't 
heard of yet. ergo my question.
  Apologize for all the heat I took.
JR

KR> fuel tanks

[VIRGIL N SALISBURY]

Do not forget the CD of the newsletters, Virg

On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 07:55:14 -0500 "Colin Rainey"
<brokerpilot9...@earthlink.net> writes:
> JR
> No putdown intended but the way you asked that question and content 
> of fuel
> tanks etc...
> If you don't know, and don't know how to calculate what effects, 
> this
> network won't solve it for you. You need to stick to a header tank 
> and go
> fly a KR2S.
> Take a look in the archives under fuel tanks, and then educate 
> yourself by
> looking at my website for header tank info, Mark Langford's site for 
> stub
> wing tanks, Mark Jones' and Larry Flesner's sites for wing tanks.
> Then go find yourself a good CFI, and pay him for an hour of his 
> time, and
> have him teach you weight and balance.  That is the only safe way I 
> know to
> build more than just a header tank setup...
> 
> New netters, not negative, but before asking a bunch of the same 
> questions,
> check the archives per the information page for signup, and see if 
> there
> has been anything posted ont he subject. Secondly, take the time to 
> READ
> ALL the construction pages, and some of the completion pages of 
> KR's. 
> There is a wealth of information there, and will answer many of the
> questions that are posted here over and over.  Before ever even 
> looking to
> buy my KR2, I spent 2 months just reading posts, and reading web 
> pages and
> getting educated that way.  Once you have that knowledge, ask about 
> what is
> missing to fill the gap
> 
> Colin Rainey
> First National Mortgage Sources
> Lending Solutions in All 50 States
> 386-673-6814 office
> 407-739-0834 cell
> brokerpilot9...@earthlink.net
> 
> 
> 
> > [Original Message]
> > From: <feg...@sbcglobal.net>
> > To: <kr...@mylist.net>
> > Date: 1/28/2006 1:59:52 AM
> > Subject: KR> fuel tanks
> >
> > What are the most fuel tanks a KR can have and still
> > maintain proper cg limits. and where would they be located
> > and at what capacities.
> >
> > JR
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Miami ,Fl

KR> fuel tanks

[Larry Flesner]

At 01:08 PM 1/28/2006, you wrote:
>Thanks for all the advice. Maybe I got a little lazy by asking
>the whole group the question on fuel tanks. But it was
>driven when I read a KR website that showed two PVC
>pipes in each wing. And I realized there may be construction methods 
>I haven't heard of yet. ergo my question.
>   Apologize for all the heat I took.
>JR
+


No problem,  We're here to help and can hopefully point you in the
right direction.

Larry Flesner

KR> Fuel tanks

[Chris Johnston]

I am after some advice on fuel tanks, would a alumimium tank give better 
crash protection than a fabricated foam and glass tank, but I guess a glass 
tank integral with the turtle deck would add a lot of stiffness to the front 
end? and a glass/turtle deck I suppose would just be epoxied into the top 
fuselage frames. How do most people fit alumimium tanks, bolt them in or 
glass/flox to the upper longeron, extra cross members and  straps? Anyone had 
any experience in using the Summit drag racing tanks? Are these foam filled 
tanks much use in an accident? Does the foam have much affect on the flow rate 
if the tank is ruptured? There also plastic I believe, so probably not much use 
in a fire.
I am also a bit curious as to why gussets are not added inside the fuse 
cross members and the side frame vertical members, so that teh fuselage cross 
section becomes 8 sided , I would have thought they would have added a lot of 
torsional rigidity to the fuselage, no one much seems to fit them. Any reason 
why they cannot be fitted?
And spar varnish, why is it called spar varnish, ( nothing to do with spars 
on sailing ships?), and what is its main claim to fame, and finally, can anyone 
tell me what process is going on chemically speaking after spruce is exposed to 
sunlight/air and discolouring.


Chris Johnston.

KR> Fuel tanks

[patrusso]

Chris
My first thought is that the fuel tank should not be thought of as crash 
protection. But there it is, right there in front of you on most KRs. A 
chain is only as strong as the weakest link so the argument of glass versus 
aluminum tanks should focus on the weaker part of the installation which is 
the same on both, ie the filters, pumps, fuel lines, gascolater, etc.
   The glassed in tank integral with the forward deck does add stiffness but 
that is'nt necessary. Some builders have removeable front decks. On my KR it 
is per plans but on my Horizon it is an aluminum tank just on metal strap 
hangers, also per plans. One of the advantages of the strapped in tank is 
it's removeability should problems occur. On the Horizon I made the straps 
from that metal banding used in the shipping industry where they bundle 
stuff to skids or stacks of lumber, etc. It's free at your local lumber 
yard, in their dumpster!!
  Spar varnish refers to EXTERIOR varnish and yes, it was initially 
developed for the ships of old...when lads were hoisted up the mast in a 
little seat and a large bucket of varnish...and as they were lowered they 
would put their gloved hands into the varnish bucket and wipe on the mast. 
And they didn't always have gloves!!
- Original Message - 
From: "Chris Johnston" <chr...@ozdocs.net.au>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 4:12 AM
Subject: KR> Fuel tanks


>
>
>I am after some advice on fuel tanks, would a alumimium tank give 
> better crash protection than a fabricated foam and glass tank, but I guess 
> a glass tank integral with the turtle deck would add a lot of stiffness to 
> the front end? and a glass/turtle deck I suppose would just be epoxied 
> into the top fuselage frames. How do most people fit alumimium tanks, bolt 
> them in or glass/flox to the upper longeron, extra cross members and 
> straps? Anyone had any experience in using the Summit drag racing tanks? 
> Are these foam filled tanks much use in an accident? Does the foam have 
> much affect on the flow rate if the tank is ruptured? There also plastic I 
> believe, so probably not much use in a fire.
>I am also a bit curious as to why gussets are not added inside the fuse 
> cross members and the side frame vertical members, so that teh fuselage 
> cross section becomes 8 sided , I would have thought they would have added 
> a lot of torsional rigidity to the fuselage, no one much seems to fit 
> them. Any reason why they cannot be fitted?
>And spar varnish, why is it called spar varnish, ( nothing to do with 
> spars on sailing ships?), and what is its main claim to fame, and finally, 
> can anyone tell me what process is going on chemically speaking after 
> spruce is exposed to sunlight/air and discolouring.
>
> 
> Chris Johnston.
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KR> Fuel tanks

[Phil Matheson]

Chris
Have you considered wing tanks, glassed as per KR manual, or use foamply as
per Dan Diehl instructions find his web page at
http://www.diehlaero.com/
click on KR2 wings, then again on wingskin installations, and print it out.

Some have alu. tanks in the wing or stub wing

Phillip Matheson
VHPKR
Australia.
mathes...@dodo.com.au

http://www.homebuilt-aviation.com/
http://www.vw-engines.com/
http://mywebpage.netscape.com/flyingkrphil/VHPKR.html

KR> Fuel tanks-transfer methods

[VIRGIL N SALISBURY]

However, Do NOT use a "T" at the bottom of the tank.
 Use SEPARATE openings for the 
sight gauge and the feed, Virg

On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 23:24:05 -0800 (PST) Frank Ross 
writes:
> --- Colin Rainey 
> wrote:
>  I will transfer fuel to the header for use,
> > keeping the fuel system simple and mods minimal.
> 
> > Colin Rainey
> 
> Colin,
> Howard Kaiser's KR-2 in the Phoenix area (80s - 90s)
> had a simple rubber-bulb, squeeze-type fuel pump from
> a boat under the pilot's legs to transfer fuel from
> the wing tanks to the header tank. 
> Worked very well, but too busy for me. 
> Of course this could be adapted to take advantage of
> the "pucker-factor" but you have to make sure you
> don't over-fill the header tank in that case...
> Header tank fuel "gauge" was the old tube from the top
> of the header tank, out through the panel, down
> vertically to the bottom of the panel and back into
> the header tank. Also worked well, requiring no
> electricity. 
> Simple and VERY reliable. 
> FWIW
> Frank
> 
> 
> Frank Ross, 
> EAA Chapter 35,
> San Geronimo, TX
> RAF Lakenheath, Suffolk, England, UK
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Réf. : Re: KR> Fuel tanks

[Serge VIDAL]

I have the same set-up. The header is 45 liter (that is 11.89 gallons in 
Flintstone units), and the wing tanks are 15 liters (3.96 gallons) each.
I get the same aural warning (the clicketing Facet fuel pump), which works 
only if it is mounted inside the cockpit, of course. Gave me a big fright 
one day. I had completely forgotten the fuel transfer pump was ON, and 
when the pump started clicketing, I thought it was an engine noise, 
possibly the engine losing a valve or two. High pucker factor, getting 
ready for a forced landing, until I figured it out.

The header is vented through its cap, so in case of header overflow, I get 
fuel spray over the canopy. Good warning, too! Actually, the wing tanks 
vents are connected to the top of the main tank, so some of the overflow 
goes back to the wings, but the pump pumps fuel faster than it can exit 
through the vent lines. 

 Serge Vidal
KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud"
Paris, France





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Envoyé par : krnet-boun...@mylist.net
2005-11-17 12:48
Veuillez répondre à KRnet
Remis le : 2005-11-17 12:51


Pour :  "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
cc :(ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM)
Objet : Re: KR> Fuel tanks



I have 12 gallons in the header tank and two five gallon wing tanks. Why 
are 
you restricted to 8 gals in the header tank? I do have a fuel pump to move 

fuel from wing to upper tank, then gravity feed from there. Steve Bennet 
strongly suggested I install a fuel pump from header tank to carb, but I 
simply have'nt gotten arounf to it. I transfer fuel by sound. When the 
wings 
empty, the pump goes clackety-clack and I turn it off. Have to keep an eye 

on it tho so that the header tank does not over-fill.
- Original Message - 
From: "Bob Glidden" <glid...@ccrtc.com>
To: <brokerpilot9...@earthlink.net>; "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 9:22 PM
Subject: Re: KR> Fuel tanks


> Thanks Colin
> I'll take a look and see what I can find.My plan is to have about 8 
gallon
> or so in the header tank for gravity feed carb and then transfer out of 
> wing
> tanks to refill that when needed.Thanks again...
>
> Bob Glidden
> Eminence,Indiana
> KR2S N181FW (building)
> Corvair 110
> glid...@ccrtc.com
>
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Réf. : Re: KR> Fuel tanks-transfer methods

[Serge VIDAL]

I agree. I believe this is the source of my problem with my sight gauge 
(it has a serious lag, and then a sudden drop).

Serge Vidal
KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud"
Paris, France





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Envoyé par : krnet-boun...@mylist.net
2005-11-17 15:51
Veuillez répondre à KRnet
Remis le : 2005-11-17 16:32


Pour :  kr...@mylist.net
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    Objet : Re: KR> Fuel tanks-transfer methods



However, Do NOT use a "T" at the bottom of the tank.
 Use SEPARATE openings for the 
sight gauge and the feed, Virg

On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 23:24:05 -0800 (PST) Frank Ross <alamo...@yahoo.com>
writes:
> --- Colin Rainey <brokerpilot9...@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>  I will transfer fuel to the header for use,
> > keeping the fuel system simple and mods minimal.
> 
> > Colin Rainey
> 
> Colin,
> Howard Kaiser's KR-2 in the Phoenix area (80s - 90s)
> had a simple rubber-bulb, squeeze-type fuel pump from
> a boat under the pilot's legs to transfer fuel from
> the wing tanks to the header tank. 
> Worked very well, but too busy for me. 
> Of course this could be adapted to take advantage of
> the "pucker-factor" but you have to make sure you
> don't over-fill the header tank in that case...
> Header tank fuel "gauge" was the old tube from the top
> of the header tank, out through the panel, down
> vertically to the bottom of the panel and back into
> the header tank. Also worked well, requiring no
> electricity. 
> Simple and VERY reliable. 
> FWIW
> Frank
> 
> 
> Frank Ross, 
> EAA Chapter 35,
> San Geronimo, TX
> RAF Lakenheath, Suffolk, England, UK
> Visit my photo album at:
> http://photos.yahoo.com/alamokr2
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Réf. : Re: KR> Fuel tanks

[patrusso]

I have the pump mounted between my legs, on the forward face of the main 
spar and a bright red light that goes on with the pump.  Don't know why I 
did all this, cuz I have to land to pee long before the header tank empties. 
And NO, I will not carry a container with me for peeing in flight!
- Original Message - 
From: "Serge VIDAL" <serge.vi...@sagem.com>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 10:34 AM
Subject: Réf. : Re: KR> Fuel tanks


>I have the same set-up. The header is 45 liter (that is 11.89 gallons in
> Flintstone units), and the wing tanks are 15 liters (3.96 gallons) each.
> I get the same aural warning (the clicketing Facet fuel pump), which works
> only if it is mounted inside the cockpit, of course. Gave me a big fright
> one day. I had completely forgotten the fuel transfer pump was ON, and
> when the pump started clicketing, I thought it was an engine noise,
> possibly the engine losing a valve or two. High pucker factor, getting
> ready for a forced landing, until I figured it out.
>
> The header is vented through its cap, so in case of header overflow, I get
> fuel spray over the canopy. Good warning, too! Actually, the wing tanks
> vents are connected to the top of the main tank, so some of the overflow
> goes back to the wings, but the pump pumps fuel faster than it can exit
> through the vent lines.
>
> Serge Vidal
> KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud"
> Paris, France
>
>
>
>
>
> "patrusso" <patru...@sover.net>
>
> Envoyé par : krnet-boun...@mylist.net
> 2005-11-17 12:48
> Veuillez répondre à KRnet
> Remis le : 2005-11-17 12:51
>
>
>Pour :  "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
>cc :(ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM)
>Objet : Re: KR> Fuel tanks
>
>
>
> I have 12 gallons in the header tank and two five gallon wing tanks. Why
> are
> you restricted to 8 gals in the header tank? I do have a fuel pump to move
>
> fuel from wing to upper tank, then gravity feed from there. Steve Bennet
> strongly suggested I install a fuel pump from header tank to carb, but I
> simply have'nt gotten arounf to it. I transfer fuel by sound. When the
> wings
> empty, the pump goes clackety-clack and I turn it off. Have to keep an eye
>
> on it tho so that the header tank does not over-fill.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Bob Glidden" <glid...@ccrtc.com>
> To: <brokerpilot9...@earthlink.net>; "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 9:22 PM
> Subject: Re: KR> Fuel tanks
>
>
>> Thanks Colin
>> I'll take a look and see what I can find.My plan is to have about 8
> gallon
>> or so in the header tank for gravity feed carb and then transfer out of
>> wing
>> tanks to refill that when needed.Thanks again...
>>
>> Bob Glidden
>> Eminence,Indiana
>> KR2S N181FW (building)
>> Corvair 110
>> glid...@ccrtc.com
>>
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Réf. : Re: Réf. : Re: KR> Fuel tanks

[Serge VIDAL]

What about wearing diapers? (nappies, for UK speakers) ;-)

Hey, that's against the color code. Red lights should be for emergencies 
only. What is your inspector thinking? ;-)

Transferring fuel is good for your CG. I always tried to keep a full 
header when flying with a pax.

Sergz





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2005-11-17 19:48
Veuillez répondre à KRnet
Remis le : 2005-11-17 19:49


Pour :  "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
cc :(ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM)
    Objet : Re: Réf. : Re: KR> Fuel tanks



I have the pump mounted between my legs, on the forward face of the main 
spar and a bright red light that goes on with the pump.  Don't know why I 
did all this, cuz I have to land to pee long before the header tank 
empties. 
And NO, I will not carry a container with me for peeing in flight!
- Original Message - 
From: "Serge VIDAL" <serge.vi...@sagem.com>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 10:34 AM
Subject: Réf. : Re: KR> Fuel tanks


>I have the same set-up. The header is 45 liter (that is 11.89 gallons in
> Flintstone units), and the wing tanks are 15 liters (3.96 gallons) each.
> I get the same aural warning (the clicketing Facet fuel pump), which 
works
> only if it is mounted inside the cockpit, of course. Gave me a big 
fright
> one day. I had completely forgotten the fuel transfer pump was ON, and
> when the pump started clicketing, I thought it was an engine noise,
> possibly the engine losing a valve or two. High pucker factor, getting
> ready for a forced landing, until I figured it out.
>
> The header is vented through its cap, so in case of header overflow, I 
get
> fuel spray over the canopy. Good warning, too! Actually, the wing tanks
> vents are connected to the top of the main tank, so some of the overflow
> goes back to the wings, but the pump pumps fuel faster than it can exit
> through the vent lines.
>
> Serge Vidal
> KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud"
> Paris, France
>
>
>
>
>
> "patrusso" <patru...@sover.net>
>
> Envoyé par : krnet-boun...@mylist.net
> 2005-11-17 12:48
> Veuillez répondre à KRnet
> Remis le : 2005-11-17 12:51
>
>
>Pour :  "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
>cc :(ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM)
>Objet : Re: KR> Fuel tanks
>
>
>
> I have 12 gallons in the header tank and two five gallon wing tanks. Why
> are
> you restricted to 8 gals in the header tank? I do have a fuel pump to 
move
>
> fuel from wing to upper tank, then gravity feed from there. Steve Bennet
> strongly suggested I install a fuel pump from header tank to carb, but I
> simply have'nt gotten arounf to it. I transfer fuel by sound. When the
> wings
> empty, the pump goes clackety-clack and I turn it off. Have to keep an 
eye
>
> on it tho so that the header tank does not over-fill.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Bob Glidden" <glid...@ccrtc.com>
> To: <brokerpilot9...@earthlink.net>; "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 9:22 PM
> Subject: Re: KR> Fuel tanks
>
>
>> Thanks Colin
>> I'll take a look and see what I can find.My plan is to have about 8
> gallon
>> or so in the header tank for gravity feed carb and then transfer out of
>> wing
>> tanks to refill that when needed.Thanks again...
>>
>> Bob Glidden
>> Eminence,Indiana
>> KR2S N181FW (building)
>> Corvair 110
>> glid...@ccrtc.com
>>
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Réf. : Re: KR> Fuel tanks-transfer methods

[VIRGIL N SALISBURY]

The problem is drawing fuel from the sight gauge rather than from
the tank and loosing 
fuel feed, Virg

On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 16:37:15 +0100 Serge VIDAL <serge.vi...@sagem.com>
writes:
> I agree. I believe this is the source of my problem with my sight 
> gauge 
> (it has a serious lag, and then a sudden drop).
> 
> Serge Vidal
> KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud"
> Paris, France
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> VIRGIL N SALISBURY <virg...@juno.com>
> 
> Envoyé par : krnet-boun...@mylist.net
> 2005-11-17 15:51
> Veuillez répondre à KRnet
> Remis le : 2005-11-17 16:32
> 
>  
> Pour :  kr...@mylist.net
> cc :(ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM)
> Objet : Re: KR> Fuel tanks-transfer methods
> 
> 
> 
> However, Do NOT use a "T" at the bottom of the tank.
>  Use SEPARATE openings for the 
> sight gauge and the feed, Virg
> 
> On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 23:24:05 -0800 (PST) Frank Ross 
> <alamo...@yahoo.com>
> writes:
> > --- Colin Rainey <brokerpilot9...@earthlink.net>
> > wrote:
> >  I will transfer fuel to the header for use,
> > > keeping the fuel system simple and mods minimal.
> > 
> > > Colin Rainey
> > 
> > Colin,
> > Howard Kaiser's KR-2 in the Phoenix area (80s - 90s)
> > had a simple rubber-bulb, squeeze-type fuel pump from
> > a boat under the pilot's legs to transfer fuel from
> > the wing tanks to the header tank. 
> > Worked very well, but too busy for me. 
> > Of course this could be adapted to take advantage of
> > the "pucker-factor" but you have to make sure you
> > don't over-fill the header tank in that case...
> > Header tank fuel "gauge" was the old tube from the top
> > of the header tank, out through the panel, down
> > vertically to the bottom of the panel and back into
> > the header tank. Also worked well, requiring no
> > electricity. 
> > Simple and VERY reliable. 
> > FWIW
> > Frank
> > 
> > 
> > Frank Ross, 
> > EAA Chapter 35,
> > San Geronimo, TX
> > RAF Lakenheath, Suffolk, England, UK
> > Visit my photo album at:
> > http://photos.yahoo.com/alamokr2
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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> > 
> 
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> Miami ,Fl
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KR> Fuel tanks-transfer methods

[Barry Kruyssen]

Hi All,

I've just finished building my wing stub fuel tanks and tonight I was going to 
do the plumbing.  I intend to pump fuel into the a "T" at the top of the fuel 
sight gauge.  
Benefits:
1. My header tank does not leak and would require no modifications that may 
make it leak (also it would require major surgery to add a transfer inlet)
2. I figure (not tested yet) that I will see some fuel running through my sight 
gauge as fuel is being pumped up.
3. Fuel cannot siphon back to the wing tanks if the non return valve fails.

I know Virgil said not the bottom of the sight gauge but does any one see a 
problem with using the top and if so why.

thanks
Barry Kruyssen
Cairns, Australia
RAA 19-3873 

k...@bigpond.com
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  - Original Message - 
  From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY 
  To: kr...@mylist.net 
  Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 12:51 AM
  Subject: Re: KR> Fuel tanks-transfer methods


  However, Do NOT use a "T" at the bottom of the tank.
   Use SEPARATE openings for the 
  sight gauge and the feed, Virg

Réf. : Re: Réf. : Re: KR> Fuel tanks-transfer methods

[Serge VIDAL]

Yes, I know. But despite having increased the diameter of the lines, and 
despite this defying logics somehow, it eeps happening. Low on my list of 
priorities, so I will give it a thought some day... but not now!

Serge





VIRGIL N SALISBURY <virg...@juno.com>

Envoyé par : krnet-boun...@mylist.net
11/17/2005 17:04
Veuillez répondre à KRnet
Remis le : 11/17/2005 20:54


Pour :  kr...@mylist.net
cc :(ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM)
Objet : Re: Réf. : Re: KR> Fuel tanks-transfer methods



The problem is drawing fuel from the sight gauge rather than from
the tank and loosing 
fuel feed, Virg

On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 16:37:15 +0100 Serge VIDAL <serge.vi...@sagem.com>
writes:
> I agree. I believe this is the source of my problem with my sight 
> gauge 
> (it has a serious lag, and then a sudden drop).
> 
> Serge Vidal
> KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud"
> Paris, France
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> VIRGIL N SALISBURY <virg...@juno.com>
> 
> Envoyé par : krnet-boun...@mylist.net
> 2005-11-17 15:51
> Veuillez répondre à KRnet
> Remis le : 2005-11-17 16:32
> 
> 
> Pour :  kr...@mylist.net
> cc :(ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM)
> Objet : Re: KR> Fuel tanks-transfer methods
> 
> 
> 
> However, Do NOT use a "T" at the bottom of the tank.
>  Use SEPARATE openings for the 
> sight gauge and the feed, Virg
> 
> On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 23:24:05 -0800 (PST) Frank Ross 
> <alamo...@yahoo.com>
> writes:
> > --- Colin Rainey <brokerpilot9...@earthlink.net>
> > wrote:
> >  I will transfer fuel to the header for use,
> > > keeping the fuel system simple and mods minimal.
> > 
> > > Colin Rainey
> > 
> > Colin,
> > Howard Kaiser's KR-2 in the Phoenix area (80s - 90s)
> > had a simple rubber-bulb, squeeze-type fuel pump from
> > a boat under the pilot's legs to transfer fuel from
> > the wing tanks to the header tank. 
> > Worked very well, but too busy for me. 
> > Of course this could be adapted to take advantage of
> > the "pucker-factor" but you have to make sure you
> > don't over-fill the header tank in that case...
> > Header tank fuel "gauge" was the old tube from the top
> > of the header tank, out through the panel, down
> > vertically to the bottom of the panel and back into
> > the header tank. Also worked well, requiring no
> > electricity. 
> > Simple and VERY reliable. 
> > FWIW
> > Frank
> > 
> > 
> > Frank Ross, 
> > EAA Chapter 35,
> > San Geronimo, TX
> > RAF Lakenheath, Suffolk, England, UK
> > Visit my photo album at:
> > http://photos.yahoo.com/alamokr2
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > __ 
> > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 
> > http://mail.yahoo.com
> > 
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> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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> www.lubedealer.com/salisbury
> Miami ,Fl
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Réf. : Re: Réf. : Re: KR> Fuel tanks-transfer methods

[VIRGIL N SALISBURY]

Tap into the bottom of the tank for the fuel feed. Tap separatly
into the side of 
the tank for the sight gauge. That should correct the problem, Virg

On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 08:48:20 +0100 Serge VIDAL <serge.vi...@sagem.com>
writes:
> Yes, I know. But despite having increased the diameter of the lines, 
> and 
> despite this defying logics somehow, it eeps happening. Low on my 
> list of 
> priorities, so I will give it a thought some day... but not now!
> 
> Serge
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> VIRGIL N SALISBURY <virg...@juno.com>
> 
> Envoyé par : krnet-boun...@mylist.net
> 11/17/2005 17:04
> Veuillez répondre à KRnet
> Remis le : 11/17/2005 20:54
> 
>  
> Pour :  kr...@mylist.net
>         cc :(ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM)
> Objet : Re: Réf. : Re: KR> Fuel tanks-transfer methods
> 
> 
> 
> The problem is drawing fuel from the sight gauge rather than 
> from
> the tank and loosing 
> fuel feed, Virg
> 
> On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 16:37:15 +0100 Serge VIDAL 
> <serge.vi...@sagem.com>
> writes:
> > I agree. I believe this is the source of my problem with my sight 
> 
> > gauge 
> > (it has a serious lag, and then a sudden drop).
> > 
> > Serge Vidal
> > KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud"
> > Paris, France
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > VIRGIL N SALISBURY <virg...@juno.com>
> > 
> > Envoyé par : krnet-boun...@mylist.net
> > 2005-11-17 15:51
> > Veuillez répondre à KRnet
> > Remis le : 2005-11-17 16:32
> > 
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> > Pour :  kr...@mylist.net
> > cc :(ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM)
> > Objet : Re: KR> Fuel tanks-transfer methods
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > However, Do NOT use a "T" at the bottom of the tank.
> >  Use SEPARATE openings for the 
> > sight gauge and the feed, Virg
> > 
> > On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 23:24:05 -0800 (PST) Frank Ross 
> > <alamo...@yahoo.com>
> > writes:
> > > --- Colin Rainey <brokerpilot9...@earthlink.net>
> > > wrote:
> > >  I will transfer fuel to the header for use,
> > > > keeping the fuel system simple and mods minimal.
> > > 
> > > > Colin Rainey
> > > 
> > > Colin,
> > > Howard Kaiser's KR-2 in the Phoenix area (80s - 90s)
> > > had a simple rubber-bulb, squeeze-type fuel pump from
> > > a boat under the pilot's legs to transfer fuel from
> > > the wing tanks to the header tank. 
> > > Worked very well, but too busy for me. 
> > > Of course this could be adapted to take advantage of
> > > the "pucker-factor" but you have to make sure you
> > > don't over-fill the header tank in that case...
> > > Header tank fuel "gauge" was the old tube from the top
> > > of the header tank, out through the panel, down
> > > vertically to the bottom of the panel and back into
> > > the header tank. Also worked well, requiring no
> > > electricity. 
> > > Simple and VERY reliable. 
> > > FWIW
> > > Frank
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Frank Ross, 
> > > EAA Chapter 35,
> > > San Geronimo, TX
> > > RAF Lakenheath, Suffolk, England, UK
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> > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL
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KR> Fuel tanks

[Colin Rainey]

Between Summit Racing, JC Whitney's and Jegs Racing catalogs you should be able 
to find any tank shape and size, made from either steel/aluminum racing 
approved, or plastic.  Some are foam filled already, some are not. Some have 
sending units already installed, some do not. Most all have fuel pickups, and 
return connections, as well as vent line fittings.  They even have extension 
necks for mounting on the side of your "car" plane.

I intend to get a dragster mini tank of about 5-6 gallons to locate behind the 
passenger seat, and use it on long cross countries to extend range one full 
hour.  I will transfer fuel to the header for use, keeping the fuel system 
simple and mods minimal.  I will not need a gauge on it since I have one on the 
main tank, and this one will pump into the main.  A fuselage access door will 
be enough to get to it.

Both organizations have web pages with most of the catalog items available for 
searching. They also have alot of the other parts that us Corvair guys are 
using borrowed from the rest of the small block Chevy family, like the MSD dual 
coil/points fixture. Part number on Mark Langford's site...
http://www.summitracing.com/
http://www.jcwhitney.com/autoparts/StoreCatalogDisplay/c-10101/s-10101
http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/TopCategoriesDisplay?langId=-1=10001=10002

Colin Rainey
brokerpilot9...@earthlink.net
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KR> Fuel tanks-transfer methods

[Frank Ross]

--- Colin Rainey 
wrote:
 I will transfer fuel to the header for use,
> keeping the fuel system simple and mods minimal.

> Colin Rainey

Colin,
Howard Kaiser's KR-2 in the Phoenix area (80s - 90s)
had a simple rubber-bulb, squeeze-type fuel pump from
a boat under the pilot's legs to transfer fuel from
the wing tanks to the header tank. 
Worked very well, but too busy for me. 
Of course this could be adapted to take advantage of
the "pucker-factor" but you have to make sure you
don't over-fill the header tank in that case...
Header tank fuel "gauge" was the old tube from the top
of the header tank, out through the panel, down
vertically to the bottom of the panel and back into
the header tank. Also worked well, requiring no
electricity. 
Simple and VERY reliable. 
FWIW
Frank


Frank Ross, 
EAA Chapter 35,
San Geronimo, TX
RAF Lakenheath, Suffolk, England, UK
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KR> Fuel tanks

[patrusso]

I have 12 gallons in the header tank and two five gallon wing tanks. Why are 
you restricted to 8 gals in the header tank? I do have a fuel pump to move 
fuel from wing to upper tank, then gravity feed from there. Steve Bennet 
strongly suggested I install a fuel pump from header tank to carb, but I 
simply have'nt gotten arounf to it. I transfer fuel by sound. When the wings 
empty, the pump goes clackety-clack and I turn it off. Have to keep an eye 
on it tho so that the header tank does not over-fill.
- Original Message - 
From: "Bob Glidden" <glid...@ccrtc.com>
To: <brokerpilot9...@earthlink.net>; "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 9:22 PM
Subject: Re: KR> Fuel tanks


> Thanks Colin
> I'll take a look and see what I can find.My plan is to have about 8 gallon
> or so in the header tank for gravity feed carb and then transfer out of 
> wing
> tanks to refill that when needed.Thanks again...
>
> Bob Glidden
> Eminence,Indiana
> KR2S N181FW (building)
> Corvair 110
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KR> Fuel Tanks

[Mark Jones]

They will hold 12 gallons each. Currently, mine have 11.5 in each one and
have been sitting like that for three weeks. Not a single leak. I love these
tanks.

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Wales, WI  USA
E-mail me at flyk...@wi.rr.com
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http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html


- Original Message - 
From: "JIM RALEIGH" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 5:20 PM
Subject: Re: KR> Kind of quiet


> Mark; what is the capacity of the fuel tanks that dana built

KR> Fuel tanks

[GavinandLouise]

Hi all,
Is it necessary to micro the insides of the fuel tanks before glassing as we do 
on the exterior surfaces??
I'm just starting on my header tank.

Thanks 

Gav


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KR> Fuel tanks

[Phil Matheson]

Is it necessary to micro the insides of the fuel tanks before glassing as we
do on the exterior surfaces??
I'm just starting on my header tank.

Gavin
-
Yes, and round off the corners, Then when finished do another two coats of
resin as well for a good seal.   (Vinyl Ester Resin)


Phil Matheson
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VH-PKR  ( Phil's KR)
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Australia.( Down Under)
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KR> Fuel tanks

[Wood, Sidney M.]

Your question indicates you have not checked out the numerous how-to books on 
composite construction.  Experimental Aircraft Association at www.eaa.org or 
Aircraft Spruce at www.aircraftspruce.com or Wicks at www.wicks.com have lots 
of helpful books for sale.  The weekend hands-on training offered by SportAir 
Workshops www.sportair.com can provide lots of practical help. 

I assume you are using urethane foam for the tank structure.  Any fuel leak 
will dissolve polystyrene foam, as will polyester and vinyl ester resin.  
Standard practice is to coat the raw foam surface with a film of micro followed 
immediately by a wet glass or carbon fiber lay-up.  The micro is lighter than 
straight resin and helps prevent too much of the heavier resin from the wet lay 
up soaking into the porous foam.  The idea is to produce a light and strong 
structure.  For best chemical resistance, recommend that you use vinyl ester 
resin for the fuel tank construction.  Epoxy will work ok as long as you only 
use aviation grade 100 octane LL fuel.  Automotive fuels may contain alcohol 
and aromatic additives that will attack the epoxy.  Vinyl ester resin is not 
susceptible to chemical attack by automotive fuels.

Sid Wood
Tri-gear KR-2 N6242
Mechanicsville, MD USA
sidney.w...@titan.com

Hi all,
Is it necessary to micro the insides of the fuel tanks before glassing as we do 
on the exterior surfaces??
I'm just starting on my header tank.

Thanks 

Gav

KR> Fuel tanks

[Donald Reid]

At 08:08 AM 8/10/2004, you wrote:
>   For best chemical resistance, recommend that you use vinyl ester resin 
> for the fuel tank construction.  Epoxy will work ok as long as you only 
> use aviation grade 100 octane LL fuel.  Automotive fuels may contain 
> alcohol and aromatic additives that will attack the epoxy.  Vinyl ester 
> resin is not susceptible to chemical attack by automotive fuels.

It is a common misconception that autofuel will degrade epoxy resin.  This 
is not necessarily so.  I prepared two sample coupons of Last-A-Foam and 
EZ-Poxy.  One coupon was saved as a control.

One half of the test coupon was fully submerged in autogas and the other 
half was not.  This coupon remained in a sealed container for over four 
years with absolutely no degradation.  There was no loss of strength, there 
was no sediment, and there was no discoloration of the gasoline.  After the 
coupon was removed and dried off, it was impossible to tell the difference 
between it and its control coupon.

The two things that must be done to ensure a chemically resistant gas tank 
is to have the mixture ratio correct and completely mixed.  If your 
resin/hardener ratio is off, there will be an uncured component in the 
final epoxy matrix.  It can dissolve in an solvent.  The same is true if 
you do not mix the components sufficiently.

Epoxy will work with autogas but your quality control is important.



Don Reid  -  donreid "at" erols.com
Bumpass, Va

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KR2XL construction: http://users.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm
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KR> Fuel tanks

[Wood, Sidney M.]

I did the same tests mentioned in the previous post using Safe-T-Poxy, 
fiberglass and urethane foam, and vinyl ester resin, fiber glass and urethane 
foam.  Fuels used were Shell 93 octane purchased in February and the same Shell 
93 octane purchased in July from the same pump, Exxon 100LL obtained at 2W6 and 
gasohol containing ten percent alcohol.  The July vintage Shell 93 octane and 
the 100 LL  showed no degradation on the test lay-ups after one year.  The 
February Shell 93 octane specimen was tacky after a one-year exposure.  The 
gasohol had dissolved the epoxy resin after one year.  The urethane foam was 
not affected in those samples.  The vinyl ester resin was not affected by any 
of these fuels.  You may have taken my post out of context.  It is not the 
gasoline that does the damage to the epoxy.  The alcohol and aromatic additives 
in the automotive gasoline seem to be the source of the chemical attack.
Sid Wood
Tri-gear KR-2 N6242
Mechanicsville, MD USA
sidney.w...@titan.com



At 08:08 AM 8/10/2004, you wrote:
>   For best chemical resistance, recommend that you use vinyl ester resin 
> for the fuel tank construction.  Epoxy will work ok as long as you only 
> use aviation grade 100 octane LL fuel.  Automotive fuels may contain 
> alcohol and aromatic additives that will attack the epoxy.  Vinyl ester 
> resin is not susceptible to chemical attack by automotive fuels.

It is a common misconception that autofuel will degrade epoxy resin.  This 
is not necessarily so.  I prepared two sample coupons of Last-A-Foam and 
EZ-Poxy.  One coupon was saved as a control.

One half of the test coupon was fully submerged in autogas and the other 
half was not.  This coupon remained in a sealed container for over four 
years with absolutely no degradation.  There was no loss of strength, there 
was no sediment, and there was no discoloration of the gasoline.  After the 
coupon was removed and dried off, it was impossible to tell the difference 
between it and its control coupon.

The two things that must be done to ensure a chemically resistant gas tank 
is to have the mixture ratio correct and completely mixed.  If your 
resin/hardener ratio is off, there will be an uncured component in the 
final epoxy matrix.  It can dissolve in an solvent.  The same is true if 
you do not mix the components sufficiently.

Epoxy will work with autogas but your quality control is important.



Don Reid  -  donreid "at" erols.com
Bumpass, Va

Visit my web sites at:

AeroFoil, a 2-D Airfoil Design And Analysis Computer Program:
http://www.eaa231.org/AeroFoil/index.htm

KR2XL construction: http://users.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm
Aviation Surplus: http://users.erols.com/donreid/Airparts.htm
EAA Chapter 231: http://eaa231.org
Ultralights: http://usua250.org
VA EAA State Fly-in: http://vaeaa.org

KR> Fuel tanks

[Stephen Jacobs]

One half of the test coupon was fully submerged in autogas and the other

half was not.

++

This would clinch it for me Don, the nagging worry is a potential
alcohol content in mogas - has anyone checked on that.  I don't have any
reputable, undated epoxy handy for a test, but it would be interesting
to add some methanol to the mogas and see what happens.  I am under the
impression that an alcohol presence in US mogas is something new - never
used to be the case (4 years ago).

The quality of information on a few topics over the last few days
(epoxy/ester) has been brilliant - thank you.

Steve J
Zambia

KR> Fuel tanks

[Dene Collett (SA)]

Hi gang
I built a fuel tank for a boat a few years ago from general purpose
polyester resin. I was worried about fuel dissolving the resin so I set out
to find a coating for the inside of the two halves before bonding it
together. what I found at a local paint shop was a food grade two part
coating that is resistant to just about everything including acids and the
like. It comes in two or three colours in order for you to be sure that the
first coat covers the surface completely and the same for the second coat.
It has now been about two years and has had fuel in it all the time with
absolutely no signs of degradation. The stuff is also as tough as hell. I
have forgotten the name but i can find out if anybody is interested.
Cheers
Dene Collett
KR2S-RT builder
Port Elizabeth
South Africa
mailto: dene.coll...@telkomsa.net
P.S: checkout www.whisperaircraft.com

KR>fuel tanks in the outboard wings would be easier on the wafs

[Scott Cable]

According to my build manual,  the KR was designed for
+/-7 G's.
--- Dan Heath  wrote:
> Steve,
> 
> Yes, it is easier on the WAFs if the fuel load is
> carried by the outboard
> wings and not the WAFs.  Don't know the rest. 
>  
> N64KR
>  
> Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC
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KR>fuel tanks in the outboard wings would be easier on the wafs

[Dan Heath]

Steve,

Yes, it is easier on the WAFs if the fuel load is carried by the outboard
wings and not the WAFs.  Don't know the rest. 

N64KR

Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC

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