KR> Undercarriage loadings

2008-10-12 Thread Randy Smith
For those that fly around water. I put my KR into the
lake here in Lake Dallas about 10 yrs ago. It floats
real well. My wife told me to sell the plane, she did
not want me to fly it again. 4 days later I had the
engine running again and took the plane up. We kept a
boat at the marina at the end of the runway. She saw
me take off and got all p**t. I figured I better get
rid of something so we got divorced. I loved my KR. 

--- bearlk...@aol.com wrote:

> Mark's 5.5 g landing is a remarkable tribute to the
> KR design and his 
> building skil. My flying partner bounced my AA1
> (trigear, glass legs, 1500# gross) at 
> 5.2 g's and we tore the engine down and replaced the
> prop for reasons that 
> make me want to cry. The bent prop is hanging in my
> classroom. Note that the 
> diehl gear are posted on his website as tested to 3
> g's. 
> Bob Polgreen
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KR> Undercarriage Loadings.

2008-10-12 Thread Robin Macdonald
Net Heads

Thanks guys for all your answers, it makes one think a bit more. Not only the 
undercarriange has to withstand the high loading but everything has to. Wings 
engine, things you hang on the instrument panel, the seat, as I say everything.

The manual gives the flight loading  + 4.4 g   -1.7 g  but Mark's 5.5 (& still 
in one piece) is getting up there a bit. 

Once again thanks to everyone. 

Robin.

r.macdon...@clear.net.nz


KR> Undercarriage Loadings.

2008-10-12 Thread Larry&Sallie Flesner
At 03:26 PM 9/21/2006, you wrote:
>The manual gives the flight loading  + 4.4 g   -1.7 g  but
>Mark's 5.5 (& still in one piece) is getting up there a bit. .
>Robin.
>++


Robin,

Where did you get those numbers?  (+4.4g -1.7g)

My builders manual says "+/-7 g's at 800 pounds".

Larry Flesner




KR> Undercarriage loadings

2008-10-12 Thread Larry&Sallie Flesner
At 05:43 PM 9/20/2006, you wrote:
>My first landing was a whopping 5.5g's, but I'm happy to report that it was
>highest one so far.
>Mark Langford,
=

Mark,

Do those G forces register as negative G's ?

Larry Flesner




KR> Undercarriage loadings

2008-10-12 Thread Mark Langford
Larry Flesner wrote:

> Do those G forces register as negative G's ?

You know I have pictures of virtually everything (although I'm still kicking 
myself for not taking a few at the bachelorette party that we participated 
in at the first MVN Gathering), but check out 
http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/first_flights/05052278m.jpg ...

Mark Langford, Harvest, AL
see homebuilt airplane at http://www.N56ML.com
email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net




KR> Undercarriage Loadings.

2008-10-12 Thread Robin Macdonald
Larry,

I copied the KR2s Operatimg Manual off the KRnet not sure whose site I
copied it from,

 KR2S Operating Manual
Version 2
July 6 2001

Under Maxiums

Gross 1100  lbs
Maneuvering speed 134 MPH
Flight Load Factor   + 4.4 -1.76  G

Robin.

r.macdon...@clear.net.nz

> At 03:26 PM 9/21/2006, you wrote:
> >The manual gives the flight loading  + 4.4 g   -1.7 g  but
> >Mark's 5.5 (& still in one piece) is getting up there a bit. .
> >Robin.
> >++
>
>
> Robin,
>
> Where did you get those numbers?  (+4.4g -1.7g)
>
> My builders manual says "+/-7 g's at 800 pounds".
>
> Larry Flesner
>
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KR> Undercarriage loadings

2008-10-12 Thread Robin Macdonald
Netheads,

Those who have G meters has anyone any idea what is the G loading at a good 
bounce during landing ?

Robin

r.macdon...@clear.net.nz 


KR> Undercarriage loadings

2008-10-12 Thread Matthew Elder
I've thumped a few at 3g's before in a Super Decathalon.

If you are thinking of designing your own undercarraige
FAR Part 23 has excellent information concerning this in regards to design and 
test criterion.
You can find the FAR  at www.faa.gov

It would be good, in my opinion, to try to keep to FAR 23 as that's what the 
certified birds are minimally designed to.  
I don't recall off the top of my head what the limits are which is why I'm 
referring you.

Matt



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Subject: KR> Undercarriage loadings

Netheads,

Those who have G meters has anyone any idea what is the G loading at a good 
bounce during landing ?

Robin

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KR> Undercarriage loadings

2008-10-12 Thread Mark Jones
The hardest I have seen on mine was 2.5 but I have heard others say they
have had even harder landings. I am sure Langford will chime in on this
one since he has had some good ones. :-)

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Wales, WI
My Web site: http://www.flykr2s.com/
Mailto:flyk...@wi.rr.com


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Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 4:05 PM
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Netheads,

Those who have G meters has anyone any idea what is the G loading at a
good bounce during landing ?

Robin

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KR> Undercarriage loadings

2008-10-12 Thread Mark Langford
Mark Jones wrote:

>  I am sure Langford will chime in on this one since he has had some good 
> ones. :-)

My first landing was a whopping 5.5g's, but I'm happy to report that it was 
highest one so far.  I was quite surprised that no damage resulted, 
especially since I violated the Diehl instructions to "locate the gear 
brackets as close to the fuselage as possible".  I thought to myself "well 
I'll never land hard, so surely he's not talking to me!".  I did manage a 2g 
"drop in" the other day at Moontown, but quite often the g-meter never 
moves.

Mark Langford, Harvest, AL
see homebuilt airplane at http://www.N56ML.com
email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net




KR> Undercarriage loadings

2008-10-12 Thread Martindale Family
...and I can add the Diehl gear will bend to point where the wheel rubs 
on the wing having first ripped off the pitot tube without breaking or 
deforming either the legs or the brackets.

John Martindale
29 Jane Circuit
TOORMINA NSW 2452
AUSTRALIA

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 61 2 66869094 (W)
mobile:  0417 584767
email:johnja...@optusnet.com.au
web: www.members.optusnet.com.au/johnjanet/Martindale.htm

- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Langford" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 8:43 AM
Subject: Re: KR> Undercarriage loadings


> Mark Jones wrote:
>
>>  I am sure Langford will chime in on this one since he has had some good
>> ones. :-)
>
> My first landing was a whopping 5.5g's, but I'm happy to report that it 
> was
> highest one so far.  I was quite surprised that no damage resulted,
> especially since I violated the Diehl instructions to "locate the gear
> brackets as close to the fuselage as possible".  I thought to myself "well
> I'll never land hard, so surely he's not talking to me!".  I did manage a 
> 2g
> "drop in" the other day at Moontown, but quite often the g-meter never
> moves.
>
> Mark Langford, Harvest, AL
> see homebuilt airplane at http://www.N56ML.com
> email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net
>
>
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KR> Undercarriage loadings

2008-10-12 Thread bearlk...@aol.com
Mark's 5.5 g landing is a remarkable tribute to the KR design and his 
building skil. My flying partner bounced my AA1 (trigear, glass legs, 1500# 
gross) at 
5.2 g's and we tore the engine down and replaced the prop for reasons that 
make me want to cry. The bent prop is hanging in my classroom. Note that the 
diehl gear are posted on his website as tested to 3 g's. 
Bob Polgreen


KR> Undercarriage loadings

2008-10-12 Thread Steve Bray
Robin
The Cub didn't have a g-meter but I have bounced it higher than the hanger, 
a big hanger but Cubs are a lot tougher than most. I sure wouldn't want to 
do that in a KR.

Steve Bray
Jackson, Tennessee




>From: Robin Macdonald 
>Reply-To: KRnet 
>To: KRnet 
>Subject: KR> Undercarriage loadings
>Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 09:04:38 +1200
>
>Netheads,
>
>Those who have G meters has anyone any idea what is the G loading at a good 
>bounce during landing ?
>
>Robin
>
>r.macdon...@clear.net.nz
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KR>Undercarriage

2008-10-12 Thread Daren Cogdon
Hi there

I'm working on a Spitfire replica project that will include various 
construction characteristics of the KR series (basically similar airframe 
construction methods).

My one big decision is how to do the undercarriage.  Most of you will know that 
the Spitfire's main undercarriage retract out towards the wingtips and sweep 
back at an angle.  This may be quite complicated to build for a homebuilt 
project, and my original idea was to include a similar set-up as used on the 
KR-1.  

My question is this: How thick is the wing centre section, and how far do the 
wheels (and the legs) project from the bottom of the wing?  I read an article 
on Ken Rand's prototype, which states that the 8" diameter wheels only protrude 
about 1 1/4 inches, which would be ideal. Any more than, say, two inches would 
look really wrong!!

Any help would be useful.

Daren


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KR>Undercarriage - KR1 to look like a Spitfire?

2008-10-12 Thread Dan Heath
Daren,

The gear moves only back, not out.  There is quite a bit of it protruding
from the wing and I don't think it is what you are looking for.  Someone
made a KR2 using motorcycle parts which could more likely be adapted to what
you want.  I am sure that someone on the net knows who that person and KR2
is.  The plane was sold recently but I also never knew who bought it. 

See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics

Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC

da...@kr-builder.org

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KR>Undercarriage

2008-10-12 Thread Eric J Pitts
Take a look at this page he may give you some idea's
http://www.homestead.com/corsairhalfscale/f4u.html

Eric Pitts
TH Indiana

On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 09:24:13 + (GMT) =?iso-8859-1?q?Daren=20Cogdon?=
 writes:
> Hi there
>  
> I'm working on a Spitfire replica project that will include various 
> construction characteristics of the KR series (basically similar 
> airframe construction methods).
>  



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