[Bug 1468027] Re: change default CJK fonts to Noto CJK

[Gunnar Hjalmarsson]

@tomoe_musashi: Can you please file a new bug about Noto Serif CJK
instead of using this one which was closed long ago.

There is some related packaging discussion at Debian:

https://bugs.debian.org/862276

http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-fonts-
devel/2017-May/thread.html#19499

I think it's wise to wait until we see the result of that discussion
before we change anything in Ubuntu.

** Bug watch added: Debian Bug tracker #862276
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[Bug 1468027] Re: change default CJK fonts to Noto CJK

[Gunnar Hjalmarsson]

Thanks again, tomoe_musashi and Cheng-Chia Tseng!

On 2016-05-03 18:49, tomoe_musashi wrote:
> It's great that the package install all 7 weights with similar
> required disk space as the Super OTC one.

Yeah, indeed. And it indicates that the bug resides in the "super" OTC
file.

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[Bug 1468027] Re: change default CJK fonts to Noto CJK

[Cheng-Chia Tseng]

This is what it looks like in virtualbox. It seems no problem with
chrome when using the latest package as well.

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[Bug 1468027] Re: change default CJK fonts to Noto CJK

[tomoe_musashi]

I just tested the latest PPA and it fix the "Thin issue" in Chrome/Chromium, in 
a clean live mode of a virtual machine.
It's great that the package install all 7 weights with similar required disk 
space as the Super OTC one.

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[Bug 1468027] Re: change default CJK fonts to Noto CJK

[Gunnar Hjalmarsson]

Sorry to bother you again, but...

I tested to replace the single "super" OTC file with 7 weight specific
OTC files, and it seems like this is sufficient to fix "the Thin issue"
in Chrome/Chromium. So I have uploaded a simpler proposal to the PPA,
without the additional fonts-noto-cjk-extras package.

I would of course appreciate if some could test it, to make sure I
didn't overlook something.

https://launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/+archive/ubuntu/fonts-noto-cjk

(Please remember to uninstall the now obsolete, and possibly
conflicting, fonts-noto-cjk-extras.)

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[Bug 1468027] Re: change default CJK fonts to Noto CJK

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Here is the screenshot within virtualbox, without extras.

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[Bug 1468027] Re: change default CJK fonts to Noto CJK

[tomoe_musashi]

@Gunnar, i tried both without and with fonts-noto-cjk-extras installed,
and the patch addresses the chromium issue.

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[Bug 1468027] Re: change default CJK fonts to Noto CJK

[Gunnar Hjalmarsson]

Thanks, tomoe_musashi. Did you try both without and with fonts-noto-cjk-
extras?

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[Bug 1468027] Re: change default CJK fonts to Noto CJK

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@Gunnar, i can confirm that the PPA package addresses the Google Chrome
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[Bug 1468027] Re: change default CJK fonts to Noto CJK

[Gunnar Hjalmarsson]

On 2016-04-30 06:40, Cheng-Chia Tseng wrote:
> Using subset OTFs is suggested for OS exept MacOS and Windows by the 
> README file from Source Han Sans (same as Noto Sans CJK).

According to the README.formats file, which is included in the fonts-
noto-cjk source package, OTC "works" on recent versions of Mac and Linux
but not Windows. So they don't seem to be identical.

> However, as I stated previously, I believe using Super OTC is a way
> to find where the apps in Linux world which has some problems dealing
> with this "super font," and that helps shape a better Linux world in
> the future. People find the problem, report the problem, and the
> problem be fixed one day.

Hmm.. I see now that you anticipated problems with "Super OTC" [1] long
ago. At that time I hadn't a clue what you were talking about. :(

What you say is correct, but we shouldn't use the whole community of
Ubuntu users as a test panel, should we?

> To be the first to find the problems and work with upstreams to fix
> them? Or just do as the official recommendation to get the better
> result and serve users better first?

Why not do both? I filed this ticket:
https://github.com/googlei18n/noto-cjk/issues/65

Hopefully it's the right place.

Can you possibly confirm that the PPA version of fonts-noto-cjk
addresses the issues we have found up to now (at the expense of more
disk space)?


[1] Super OTC is the font format installed with the version of
fonts-noto-cjk which is currently in the Ubuntu archive.

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[Bug 1468027] Re: change default CJK fonts to Noto CJK

[Cheng-Chia Tseng]

Using subset OTFs is suggested for OS exept MacOS and Windows by the
README file from Source Han Sans (same as Noto Sans CJK).

However, as I stated previously, I believe using Super OTC is a way to
find where the apps in Linux world which has some problems dealing with
this "super font," and that helps shape a better Linux world in the
future. People find the problem, report the problem, and the problem be
fixed one day.

Both ways are fine though. The system still has some places to be
improved to support Super OTC better while Subset OTFs require more
space and more packages. To be the first to find the problems and work
with upstreams to fix them? Or just do as the official recommendation to
get the better result and serve users better first?

Any thoughts on this?

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[Bug 1468027] Re: change default CJK fonts to Noto CJK

[Gunnar Hjalmarsson]

We have a solution to the Chrome/Chromium and "Thin" issue in sight at
bug #157. A modified version of fonts-noto-cjk is available in this
PPA:

https://launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/+archive/ubuntu/fonts-noto-cjk

It would be great if a few Chinese and Japanese users could install
fonts-noto-cjk (and possibly fonts-noto-cjk-extras) from the PPA and let
us know the result. Please report your observations on the other bug.

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[Bug 1468027] Re: change default CJK fonts to Noto CJK

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** Changed in: kubuntu-meta (Ubuntu)
   Status: Fix Committed => Fix Released

** Changed in: ubuntu-seeds
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[Bug 1468027] Re: change default CJK fonts to Noto CJK

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** Changed in: kubuntu-meta (Ubuntu)
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[Bug 1468027] Re: change default CJK fonts to Noto CJK

[Gunnar Hjalmarsson]

On 2016-04-07 21:24, Mingye Wang wrote:
> In addition to the weight matching problem, the screenshot for
> Chromium in #113 gives the JP variant instead of TW.

I didn't even notice "JP" first. This made me fear that
/etc/fonts/conf.avail/64-language-selector-prefer.conf has something to do with 
it. But the issue with too thin characters in Chrome/Chromium is there also 
with a TC locale:

$ locale | grep LC_CTYPE
LC_CTYPE=zh_TW.UTF-8
$ fc-match
NotoSansCJK.ttc: "Noto Sans CJK TC" "Regular"
$

So it's probably unrelated to that.


Isn't this issue really weird? Shouldn't Google make sure that their own web 
browser handles their own fonts properly?

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[Bug 1468027] Re: change default CJK fonts to Noto CJK

[Mingye Wang]

Not sure. Some fontconfig tracing env vars might be useful for the Skia
LegacyCreateTypeface part I guess...

* * *

In addition to the weight matching problem, the screenshot for Chromium
in #113 gives the JP variant instead of TW.  Perhaps I should try to get
someone to reproduce this in other distros and file a report upstream...
Not sure about what the title will be.

> Don't Chrome and Chromium care about fontconfig, but do it their own
way?

Chrome seems to provide some level of per-script font handling[1].
Actually Google Chrome gives a link to an extension called ‘Advanced
Font Settings’ (caclkomlalccbpcdllchkeecicepbmbm) in its font menu...

  [1]: https://developer.chrome.com/extensions/fontSettings

Regarding the JP problem, it seems that Google Chrome is trying to do
the script recognition itself. This happens on my Windows 10 machine too
-- Chinese comments on GitHub and Tweets are all rendered using ‘Inziu
Roboto JP’, my default Japanese script font set with ‘Advanced Font
Settings’.  Webpages with explicit language/script declarations like
https://zh.wikipedia.org/zh-tw/ work fine since they don't need any
recognition by Chrome (will anyone confirm this on Ubuntu?)

It seems that some Chrome font settings can be pre-hacked by editing
webkit.webprefs.fonts. The 'Zyyy' (default script) one found in chrome
settings is stored in the file 'Preferences' -- perhaps some settings
for other scripts can be filled in here too?

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[Bug 1468027] Re: change default CJK fonts to Noto CJK

[Shih-Yuan Lee]

But, when I tried it on Chromium,  it still doesn't work.

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[Bug 1468027] Re: change default CJK fonts to Noto CJK

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I tried this on Firefox and it seems to work fine.

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[Bug 1468027] Re: change default CJK fonts to Noto CJK

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** Changed in: xubuntu-meta (Ubuntu)
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[Bug 1468027] Re: change default CJK fonts to Noto CJK

[Gunnar Hjalmarsson]

Since fontconfig 2.11.94 is on its way into the archive, I'd like to
mention this "call for testing" message I posted to the ubuntu-devel
mailing list:

https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2016-April/039303.html

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[Bug 1468027] Re: change default CJK fonts to Noto CJK

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This bug was fixed in the package language-selector - 0.164

---
language-selector (0.164) xenial; urgency=medium

  * fontconfig/69-language-selector-zh-*.conf:
  * fontconfig/64-language-selector-prefer.conf:
Dropped workaround to make "Regular" the default font weight for
Noto Sans CJK; fixed in fontconfig 2.11.1-0ubuntu9 (LP: #1468027).
  * debian/control:
Bump Standards-Version to 3.9.7.

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[Bug 1468027] Re: change default CJK fonts to Noto CJK

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** Changed in: language-selector (Ubuntu)
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[Bug 1468027] Re: change default CJK fonts to Noto CJK

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On 2016-04-03 06:02, tomoe_musashi wrote:
> @Gunnar, i can confirm that the ppa fixes the "DemiLight" issue. it
> also fixes some cases that rendering with undesirable font weights.

Great, thanks! Then I'll try to get it in.

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[Bug 1468027] Re: change default CJK fonts to Noto CJK

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@Gunnar, i can confirm that the ppa fixes the "DemiLight" issue.
it also fixes some cases that rendering with undesirable font weights.


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[Bug 1468027] Re: change default CJK fonts to Noto CJK

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[Bug 1468027] Re: change default CJK fonts to Noto CJK

[Gunnar Hjalmarsson]

As a test I built fontconfig 2.11.94 in a PPA:

https://launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/+archive/ubuntu/fontconfig-test2

I don't know yet if it would be possible to have it accepted for the
16.04 archive. What I know is that it would fix 'the Demilight issue'
without the current workaround in the language-selector .conf files.

Would appreciate if some of you could test it. I'm especially interested
in knowing if this fontconfig version also fixes the undesirable Firefox
behaviour wrt font weights.

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[Bug 1468027] Re: change default CJK fonts to Noto CJK

[Gunnar Hjalmarsson]

Thanks, Yuan Chao. Let me try so summarize then:

There is an issue with fontconfig, so it by default picks "Demilight" over 
"Regular" (bug #1556457). We have tried to work around this problem in 
69-language-selector-zh-??.conf and
64-language-selector-prefer.conf (the latter for e.g. an English locale). The 
workaround is not effective in Firefox, though.

I'm out of ideas. Is there anything we can do but waiting for bug
#1556457 to be fixed? (Assuming that will address the Firefox issue...)

On 2016-03-30 12:30, Yuan Chao wrote:
> UMing is second to TakaoPGothic so could be a problem in ja_JP on
> serif? (UMing does not have enough glyph coverage in JP)

Possibly, but if so it wouldn't be a new problem. With the Japanese
locale, and with full Japanese language support installed, TakaoPMincho
is there for serif.

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[Bug 1468027] Re: change default CJK fonts to Noto CJK

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[Bug 1468027] Re: change default CJK fonts to Noto CJK

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[Bug 1468027] Re: change default CJK fonts to Noto CJK

[Yuan Chao]

> May I ask: Is "Regular" picked up first with a ja_JP or zh_TW
> locale? 
Yes, (only tested with live env) according to fc-match "Regular" is picked up 
over "DemiLight" in both zh_TW and zh_CN. TakaoPGothic is the default for ja_JP.

However, for Firefox, this hack in /etc/fonts/conf.d/69-language-
selector-zh-??.conf doesn't seem to work. According to the inspection
tool of Firefox, "AR PL UMing CN/TW", "Noto Sans CJK SC/TC Bold" and
"DemiLight" are picked up.

UMing is second to TakaoPGothic so could be a problem in ja_JP on serif?
(UMing does not have enough glyph coverage in JP)

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[Bug 1468027] Re: change default CJK fonts to Noto CJK

[Gunnar Hjalmarsson]

On 2016-03-28 21:56, Gunnar Hjalmarsson wrote:
> May I ask: Is "Regular" picked up first with a ja_JP or zh_TW
> locale?

Correction: with a zh_* locale.

(With a ja_JP locale, TakaoPGothic is still the default.)

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[Bug 1468027] Re: change default CJK fonts to Noto CJK

[Gunnar Hjalmarsson]

Thanks for that report, Yuan Chao. It indicates that bug #1556457 is
more urgent than we (I) first thought.

May I ask: Is "Regular" picked up first with a ja_JP or zh_TW locale?

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[Bug 1468027] Re: change default CJK fonts to Noto CJK

[Gunnar Hjalmarsson]

On 2016-03-26 04:43, 賴家亨 wrote:
> I have installed noto sans cjk on Ubuntu 14.04.4, ...

If you want to help with the default configuration for 16.04, it would
be better if you tried 16.04 via a daily build ISO.

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[Bug 1468027] Re: change default CJK fonts to Noto CJK

[賴家亨]

Why is the font still so thin in Firefox? I have installed noto sans cjk
on Ubuntu 14.04.4, here is my setting.

/etc/fonts/conf.d/69-language-selector-zh-tw.conf







serif


zh-tw


Noto Sans CJK TC Medium
Noto Sans CJK SC Medium
Noto Sans CJK JP Medium
Noto Sans CJK KR Medium
AR PL UMing TW
AR PL UMing HK
AR PL New Sung
HYSong
WenQuanYi Bitmap Song
AR PL UKai TW
AR PL UKai HK
AR PL ZenKai Uni
DejaVu Serif
Bitstream Vera Serif

 


sans-serif


zh-tw


Noto Sans CJK TC Medium
Noto Sans CJK SC Medium
Noto Sans CJK JP Medium
Noto Sans CJK KR Medium
Droid Sans Fallback
WenQuanYi Zen Hei
AR PL UMing TW
AR PL UMing HK
AR PL New Sung
HYSong
AR PL UKai TW
AR PL UKai HK
AR PL ZenKai Uni
DejaVu Sans
Bitstream Vera Sans

 


monospace


zh-tw


Noto Sans CJK TC Medium
Noto Sans CJK SC Medium
Noto Sans CJK JP Medium
Noto Sans CJK KR Medium
Droid Sans Fallback
WenQuanYi Zen Hei Mono
AR PL UMing TW
AR PL UMing HK
AR PL New Sung
HYSong
AR PL UKai TW
AR PL UKai HK
AR PL ZenKai Uni
DejaVu Sans Mono
Bitstream Vera Sans Mono




Noto Sans CJK


false


hintfull





I also add a file in /etc/fonts/local.conf

  

  serif


  Noto Sans CJK TC Medium
  Noto Sans CJK SC Medium
  Noto Sans CJK JP Medium
  Noto Sans CJK KR Medium

   
  

  sans-serif


  Noto Sans CJK TC Medium
  Noto Sans CJK SC Medium
  Noto Sans CJK JP Medium
  Noto Sans CJK KR Medium

  
  

  monospace


  Noto Sans CJK TC Medium
  Noto Sans CJK SC Medium
  Noto Sans CJK JP Medium
  Noto Sans CJK KR Medium

  
  

Noto Sans CJK


false


hintfull

  


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[Bug 1468027] Re: change default CJK fonts to Noto CJK

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It seems that Medium is easier for reading, will be the font be Regular
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[Bug 1468027] Re: change default CJK fonts to Noto CJK

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[Bug 1468027] Re: change default CJK fonts to Noto CJK

[Gunnar Hjalmarsson]

Yes, when the user language is e.g. English, the
69-language-selector-zh-*.conf files are not in effect.

But if I understand it correctly, the default (if that's the correct way
to say it) of Noto is not Chinese, but Japanese. At least Japanese is
listed first in a fc-match listing, when no fontconfig .conf files are
in effect; please see:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1540063/comments/16

So possibly fonts-noto-cjk may result in proper rendering out of the box
for any CJK language, as long as no fontconfig .conf file messes it up.
That's why I found it worth a try to put those Japanese lines first in
64-language-selector-prefer.conf.

tomoe_musashi reported in comment #81 that if does not affect Chinese
rendering. (The issue he mentioned - *Takao* used in Firefox for non-
lang-specified content - appears to be unrelated.)

So, Aron, can you please test?

Sure, if the Japanese lines in 64-language-selector-prefer.conf affect
Chinese rendering adversely, we should move them downwards (and with
that make it worse for Japanese...). But there is no reason to prefer
Chinese over Japanese just for the sake of it, is there?

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[Bug 1468027] Re: change default CJK fonts to Noto CJK

[Aron Xu]

If I understand correctly, when the user language is set to English,
thus none of 69-language specific configurations are active, this
configuration would take effect. Current configuration will make the ja
variant take precedence over any of the Chinese ones, while the default
of noto looks to be Chinese SC - which was exactly the cause of the
issue for Japanese. Overriding it with ja as the first one will lead to
similar issue to Chinese characters and I believe that's not what we
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[Bug 1468027] Re: change default CJK fonts to Noto CJK

[Gunnar Hjalmarsson]

On 2016-03-22 18:20, Aron Xu wrote:
> But this 64-language-selector-prefer.conf could lead to regression
> for Chinese, unfortunately.

Can you please be more specific? How? Do you see something which
tomoe_musashi did not see?

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Re: [Bug 1468027] Re: change default CJK fonts to Noto CJK

[Aron Xu]

But this 64-language-selector-prefer.conf could lead to regression for
Chinese, unfortunately.

> On Mar 23, 2016, at 00:36, Gunnar Hjalmarsson <1468...@bugs.launchpad.net> 
> wrote:
>
> I'm getting back about Chinese and Japanese rendering with a non-CJKV
> locale. We need to reach a conclusion as regards the default
> configuration.
>
> Currently 64-language-selector-prefer.conf looks like this:
>
> 
> 
> 
>
>sans-serif
>
>Noto Sans CJK JP Regular
>Noto Sans CJK JP
>Noto Sans CJK SC Regular
>Noto Sans CJK SC
>Noto Sans CJK TC Regular
>Noto Sans CJK TC
> 
>
>
>monospace
>
>Noto Sans Mono CJK JP
>Noto Sans Mono CJK SC
>Noto Sans Mono CJK TC
>
>
> 
>
> That configuration seems to be an improvement for Japanese (bug
> #1540063). I'm assuming that the Japanese lines in the file have nothing
> to do with 'the Takao in Firefox issue' which tomoe_musashi mentioned in
> comment #81. (Please let me know if I'm wrong here. If I'm not, I take
> it that we can keep the current version of 64-language-selector-
> prefer.conf in Ubuntu 16.04.)
>
> Possibly 'the Takao in Firefox issue' is a Firefox bug.
>
> @tomoe_musashi: You mentioned that modifying 65-nonlatin.conf may fix
> that issue. Can you please let us know about the change you made?
>
> FYI I filed bug #1560548, but I don't think it needs to be fixed in
> 16.04.
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> Title:
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>
> Status in Fontconfig:
>  Fix Released
> Status in kubuntu-meta package in Ubuntu:
>  In Progress
> Status in language-selector package in Ubuntu:
>  Fix Released
> Status in lubuntu-meta package in Ubuntu:
>  In Progress
> Status in ubuntu-meta package in Ubuntu:
>  Fix Released
> Status in xubuntu-meta package in Ubuntu:
>  In Progress
>
> Bug description:
>  just realize that fonts-noto-cjk is available in the repository, finally its 
> packaged.
>  i don't really know about korean community.
>  But for Chinese and Japanese community, i think that the answer is clear.
>  noto-cjk is definitely better what we had before, like fonts- wqy and 
> fonts-droid.
>  Android community had received these complains for years, finally they got 
> them fixed on lollipop.
>  Fedora also set it as default chinese font start from F21.
>  and of course, i still hope that ubuntu could drop those 
> 69-language-selector fontconfig files, just like what F13 did.
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[Bug 1468027] Re: change default CJK fonts to Noto CJK

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This bug was fixed in the package language-selector - 0.162

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  * fontconfig/64-language-selector-prefer.conf:
Make Japanese contents be rendered using "Noto Sans CJK JP" in
case of a non-CJKV locale (LP: #1540063, LP: #1468027).

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** Changed in: language-selector (Ubuntu)
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[Bug 1468027] Re: change default CJK fonts to Noto CJK

[tomoe_musashi]

@Gunnar, i don't know, seems like some other things are affecting the font 
fallback,
which makes Firefox didn't work as expected(64-language-selector-prefer.conf).
Currently if you type any kanji(or chinese words) on the firefox bar, or 
viewing some non-lang-specified contents with kanji, its rendering with 
TakaoPGothic.
But i found that modifying 65-nonlatin.conf would fix the problem, is it 
relevant?

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[Bug 1468027] Re: change default CJK fonts to Noto CJK

[Gunnar Hjalmarsson]

ping

On 2016-03-15 02:39, Gunnar Hjalmarsson wrote:
> ... I'd appreciate if a few Chinese users could install 
> language-selector from the PPA and let us know how Chinese
> characters look in a session with a non-Chinese locale.

Anyone?

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[Bug 1468027] Re: change default CJK fonts to Noto CJK

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On 2014-07-17T05:57:22+00:00 Kanru-d wrote:

Recently Adobe & Google released a open-source pan-CJK font, Source Han
Sans from Adobe or Noto Sans CJK from Google.

This font family features 7 font weights: ExtraLight, Light, Normal,
Regular, Meidum, Bold, Heavy and their os2 weight are: 100, 300, 350,
400, 500, 700, 900 respectively.

However, in fontconfig, os2 weight class 350 and 400 both maps to weight
80 and I think this makes fontconfig or pango confuse about how to
choose the default font.

In particular in the GktFontChooser user can't choose one of these
fonts. To fix this we probably also have to fix Pango.

This issue is also reported to the source-han-sans project:
https://github.com/adobe-fonts/source-han-sans/issues/5

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On 2014-07-19T20:54:16+00:00 Freedesktop wrote:

I believe this is a Pango limitation, not fontconfig.  I'll take a look.

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On 2014-07-25T19:05:18+00:00 Freedesktop wrote:

My bad, this *is* a fontconfig issue.  Investigating.

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On 2014-07-25T22:09:03+00:00 Freedesktop wrote:

Fontconfig part fixed.  Pango fix needed.

commit ffda7c0e8130eb107ecbb3bdc48043093b12dff9
Author: Behdad Esfahbod 
Date:   Fri Jul 25 17:59:26 2014 -0400

Linearly interpolate weight values

Rest of Part of https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81453

Adds new API:

FcWeightFromOpenType()
FcWeightToOpenType()

commit bf9df5ada77469f57101851f6b4e279a4a5ea087
Author: Behdad Esfahbod 
Date:   Fri Jul 25 18:07:10 2014 -0400

Change DemiLight from 65 to 55

Such that Regular is closer to Medium than to DemiLight

commit be6506ca04ccce10868a8cd51d89e586284d149b
Author: Behdad Esfahbod 
Date:   Fri Jul 25 16:24:26 2014 -0400

Add FC_WEIGHT_DEMILIGHT

Part of https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81453
Also hooks up FC_WEIGHT_BOOK to fcfreetype.c.

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On 2014-07-25T22:13:35+00:00 Freedesktop wrote:

Tracking pango issue here:
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=733764

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On 2014-07-26T20:42:43+00:00 Freedesktop wrote:

Pango fixed.  See screenshots here:
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=733764

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On 2014-08-06T07:09:56+00:00 Daphnediane wrote:

(In reply to comment #3)
> Fontconfig part fixed.  Pango fix needed.
> 
> commit ffda7c0e8130eb107ecbb3bdc48043093b12dff9
> Author: Behdad Esfahbod 
> Date:   Fri Jul 25 17:59:26 2014 -0400
> 
> Linearly interpolate weight values
> 
> Rest of Part of https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81453
> 
> Adds new API:
> 
> FcWeightFromOpenType()
> FcWeightToOpenType()

Note that this fix introduced bug 82228 as lerp doesn't handle dy == 0.

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On 2016-03-12T04:44:48+00:00 Freedesktop wrote:

*** Bug 94505 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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Is Source Han Sans (Noto Sans) going to be the default fonts in Ubuntu 16.04?
If it is true, it will be nice.

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[Bug 1468027] Re: change default CJK fonts to Noto CJK

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** Also affects: kubuntu-meta (Ubuntu)
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