Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Pootle engagement with Mozilla

2012-05-04 Thread Sveinn í Felli
Þann fim  3.maí 2012 18:37, skrifaði Коростіль Данило:
 On 05/03/2012 09:16 PM, Andras Timar wrote:
 Hi,

 Please read this blog post:
 http://translate.org.za/blogs/dwayne/en/content/better-faster-more-lovely-pootle-thanks-mozilla


 Let's discuss, if we, the LibreOffice l10n community have
 feature or
 bugfix requests. If they fit within Mozilla's scope then
 with our help
 they may be implemented.

 Best regards,
 Andras

 Looks good.
 
 However as translator I'd like to use transifex because of
 some really good tools. Unfortunately, it has one huge
 weakness: it's no so suitable for scope project. But some
 projects like Fedora uses it. Probably we should at least
 try it.
 
 As for me Pootle is slower and less modern than Transifex.
 What do you say?
 
Hi,

As someone regularly using most of the tools employed for
FOSS translations (even the (t)rusty old email robot of
translationproject.org):

As a coordinator, often doing site-wide streamlining and
spell-checking, I appreciate the easy download/upload of
folder structures in Pootle. A bit slow at times, occasional
freezes, but overall the experience is good.
Even if it does not really bother in my case, I can see
tools in Transifex quite useful for other bigger teams; such
as file-locking and per-file messages.

As a translator, Transifex may win by a small margin; a bit
more snappy, a little more information on each page. I also
like having the download field in each file row (easier when
submitting several files in a folder).
But I think those are minimal differences.

Also, it may be just an imagination, but I have the feeling
that there's more (often) downtime on Transifex-based
services than Pootle-based. This is just an unsupported
feeling, of course.

Haven't really fiddled with the betas.
And to be clear, I usually translate offline.

Best regards,
Sveinn í Felli


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Pootle engagement with Mozilla

2012-05-04 Thread khagaroth
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 8:16 PM, Andras Timar tima...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,

 Please read this blog post:
 http://translate.org.za/blogs/dwayne/en/content/better-faster-more-lovely-pootle-thanks-mozilla

 Let's discuss, if we, the LibreOffice l10n community have feature or
 bugfix requests. If they fit within Mozilla's scope then with our help
 they may be implemented.

 Best regards,
 Andras

The part that needs most improvement is the search. Right now it's
abysmally bad.

Then it would be nice to have things like suggested fuzzy matches,
tag/variable highlighting in the _translation_ not only in the source
and some more quality checks (especially consistency checks).

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Pootle engagement with Mozilla

2012-05-04 Thread leif

Hi Andras et al,
We in the Danish project uses Pootle on line. I have a few suggestions 
to improvements:


 * Better search facilities, e.g., regular expressions
 * Ability to search or filter a subset e.g., to see only the latest
   updated strings.
 * A way to avoid to approve my own translations (thats our overall
   rule in the Danish community never to translate and approve by the
   same person)
 * Log or history per string. It would be nice to know who translated,
   changed and approved a string.

Leif Lodahl
The Danish Team


On 03-05-2012 20:16, Andras Timar wrote:

Hi,

Please read this blog post:
http://translate.org.za/blogs/dwayne/en/content/better-faster-more-lovely-pootle-thanks-mozilla

Let's discuss, if we, the LibreOffice l10n community have feature or
bugfix requests. If they fit within Mozilla's scope then with our help
they may be implemented.

Best regards,
Andras




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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Pootle engagement with Mozilla

2012-05-04 Thread Olav Dahlum
2012/5/4 Sveinn í Felli svei...@nett.is

 Þann fim  3.maí 2012 18:37, skrifaði Коростіль Данило:
  On 05/03/2012 09:16 PM, Andras Timar wrote:
  Hi,
 
  Please read this blog post:
 
 http://translate.org.za/blogs/dwayne/en/content/better-faster-more-lovely-pootle-thanks-mozilla
 
 
  Let's discuss, if we, the LibreOffice l10n community have
  feature or
  bugfix requests. If they fit within Mozilla's scope then
  with our help
  they may be implemented.
 
  Best regards,
  Andras
 

 BTW;

 Does anyone know about the status of the serious complaint
 towards Transifex (and Pootle?) for not keeping the Gettext
 headers intact (even replacing them)?

 This makes it impossible to keep track of (former)
 translators. Some would even say it's a plain violation of
 most licenses.

 Best regards,
 Sveinn í Felli

 Examples:
 https://github.com/transifex/transifex/issues/16
 http://bugs.locamotion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37
 and
 http://bugs.locamotion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=893



It still strips the headers to my knowledge. Yes, it's clearly in violation
with the code of conduct for translation work, so fixing this should be a
top priority for their respective developers (some subtle threats to phase
out their solutions in projects might work, as this problem was painfully
obvious back in 2010 as well).

– Olav

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