Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Video script for translation: Become a member of TDF - Italian added

[Luca Daghino @ Libero]

Il 05/10/2017 10:39, Mike Saunders ha scritto:

Thanks Olivier, Sophie and Anxhelo -- I've added those subtitles. Great
work!

Mike


Hello Mike,
Italian added to the wiki page, thanks to Gabriele Ponzo.
Greetings from Torino, IT, EU
Luca :)



Hi everyone,

We've made a new video, encouraging people in the LibreOffice community
to become members of The Document Foundation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g54FPnBmvOs

I've added English subtitles, and put them on the wiki as usual, in case
anyone wants to add a translation:

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Videos/Become_a_member_script

Thanks in advance!


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Updated templates for master

[Serg Bormant]

Hi,

2017-10-06 23:12 GMT+03:00 Adolfo Jayme Barrientos :
> 2017-10-06 10:45 GMT-05:00 Serg Bormant :
>> https://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=029f2fdc
>
> What is your point?
It is very simple.
As I can see, Pootle has 135 languages now and some teams work offline.
If someone makes ONLY ONE cosmetic change in translatable strings,
everyone of 135 language teams should adopt this change.
If someone makes a bunch of cosmetic changes  (for ex. change
register, change spaces, add colons, remove colons -- I remember all
of them), everyone of 135 teams shold working hard to restore what was
alredy done.

So, what changed with this and like this commits?

1)

diff --git a/sc/inc/scfuncs.hrc b/sc/inc/scfuncs.hrc
index b1b64d2..b3a231f 100644
--- a/sc/inc/scfuncs.hrc
+++ b/sc/inc/scfuncs.hrc
- NC_("SC_OPCODE_GET_DATE", "year"),
+ NC_("SC_OPCODE_GET_DATE", "Year"),
- NC_("SC_OPCODE_GET_DATE", "month"),
+ NC_("SC_OPCODE_GET_DATE", "Month"),
- NC_("SC_OPCODE_GET_DATE", "day"),
+ NC_("SC_OPCODE_GET_DATE", "Day"),
- NC_("SC_OPCODE_GET_DATE_VALUE", "text"),
+ NC_("SC_OPCODE_GET_DATE_VALUE", "Text"),
- NC_("SC_OPCODE_GET_DIFF_DATE_360", "Date_1"),
+ NC_("SC_OPCODE_GET_DIFF_DATE_360", "Date 1"),
- NC_("SC_OPCODE_GET_DIFF_DATE_360", "Date_2"),
+ NC_("SC_OPCODE_GET_DIFF_DATE_360", "Date 2"),
... and so on ...

2) Before this in Pootle:

msgid "year"
msgstr "год"

msgid "month"
msgstr "месяц"

msgid "day"
msgstr "день"

msgid "text"
msgstr "текст"
...

3) After this in Pootle:

msgid "Year"
msgstr ""

msgid "Month"
msgstr ""

msgid "Day"
msgstr ""

msgid "Text"
msgstr ""
...

4) Than I need to translate again:

msgid "Year"
msgstr "год"

msgid "Month"
msgstr "месяц"

msgid "Day"
msgstr "день"

msgid "Text"
msgstr "текст"
...

5) The final of story is

-msgid "year"
+msgid "Year"
 msgstr "год"

-msgid "month"
+msgid "Month"
 msgstr "месяц"

-msgid "day"
+msgid "Day"
 msgstr "день"

-msgid "text"
+msgid "Text"
 msgstr "текст"
...


Is it really the Big Deal and all 135 teams need roll up their sleeves
to fix anyone irresponsible whim?

>> Please, please, PLEASE make English-to-English translation and play
>> with spaces and capital letters there...
>
> You realize that this suggestion makes no sense whatsoever?

Why not? Assign any unused language code for source and "en" for translation.

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Updated templates for master

[Sophie Gautier]

Hi Adolfo

Le 6 oct. 2017 22:14, "Adolfo Jayme Barrientos"  a
écrit :

2017-10-06 10:45 GMT-05:00 Serg Bormant :
> https://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=029f2fdc

What is your point?

> What the fucking shit happens again and again release to release?

Watch your mouth. Nobody has put a gun down your throat to oblige you
to contribute.

> Russian we get 7_540 items to translate and most of them are tinkering
> with English source items, that doesn't change anything in translated
> items, but again, again, and AGAIN we need to restore by hands old
> translations for new sources.

You realize that Cloph fixes this behind the scenes every six months, right?

> Please, please, PLEASE make English-to-English translation and play
> with spaces and capital letters there...

You realize that this suggestion makes no sense whatsoever?


Please all, calm down, we will look after what bugs next with Christian.
There has been changes with gettext, others with UX, we will sort out what
should be automated and what can't. As Adolfo said there won't be EN to EN
translation however. But please think that LO needs to evolve and we need
to adapt our process too, meaning that we can make mistakes together with
having to redo some work.
I'm a volunteer like you on this so be sure that I evaluate what commitment
it asks.
Cheers
Sophie

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Updated templates for master

[Adolfo Jayme Barrientos]

2017-10-06 10:45 GMT-05:00 Serg Bormant :
> https://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=029f2fdc

What is your point?

> What the fucking shit happens again and again release to release?

Watch your mouth. Nobody has put a gun down your throat to oblige you
to contribute.

> Russian we get 7_540 items to translate and most of them are tinkering
> with English source items, that doesn't change anything in translated
> items, but again, again, and AGAIN we need to restore by hands old
> translations for new sources.

You realize that Cloph fixes this behind the scenes every six months, right?

> Please, please, PLEASE make English-to-English translation and play
> with spaces and capital letters there...

You realize that this suggestion makes no sense whatsoever?

Adolfo

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Updated templates for master

[Berend Ytsma]

Hello,

With the master update Frisian lost 50% of it's translations.
That can't be right.
I see a lot of languages only loose 10%

Greetings

Berend Ytsma
Frisian Translator

On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 6:11 PM, Sophie  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Le 06/10/2017 à 11:57, Gabor Kelemen a écrit :
> > Hi Sveinn
> >
> > I see that string in git has only normal \n sequences:
> > https://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/tree/wizards/
> source/resources/resources_en_US.properties#n46
> >
> > Just like on the Pootle UI.
> >
> > But the downloaded file contains double backslashes for Hungarian too.
> >
> > So this one may be a Pootle issue, not a source code one.
>
> I'll check with Christian next week when we will be in Rome and will
> give you feedback on that.
> Cheers
> Sophie
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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Updated templates for master

[Sophie]

Hi all,

Le 06/10/2017 à 11:57, Gabor Kelemen a écrit :
> Hi Sveinn
> 
> I see that string in git has only normal \n sequences:
> https://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/tree/wizards/source/resources/resources_en_US.properties#n46
> 
> Just like on the Pootle UI.
> 
> But the downloaded file contains double backslashes for Hungarian too.
> 
> So this one may be a Pootle issue, not a source code one.

I'll check with Christian next week when we will be in Rome and will
give you feedback on that.
Cheers
Sophie

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Updated templates for master

[Serg Bormant]

https://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=029f2fdc

What the fucking shit happens again and again release to release? In
Russian we get 7_540 items to translate and most of them are tinkering
with English source items, that doesn't change anything in translated
items, but again, again, and AGAIN we need to restore by hands old
translations for new sources.

Please, please, PLEASE make English-to-English translation and play
with spaces and capital letters there...

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Updated templates for master

[Gabor Kelemen]

Hi Sveinn

I see that string in git has only normal \n sequences:
https://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/tree/wizards/source/resources/resources_en_US.properties#n46

Just like on the Pootle UI.

But the downloaded file contains double backslashes for Hungarian too.

So this one may be a Pootle issue, not a source code one.

Regards
Gabor

2017-10-06 11:04 GMT+02:00 Sveinn í Felli :

> Hi Gabor;
>
> There are more creepy things circulating:
>
> For example in LibreOffice master – UI --> wizards/source/resources.po -->
> Unit #137767072 I get this in the downloaded PO-file:
>
> #. zRGEs
> #: resources_en_US.properties
> #, fuzzy
> msgctxt ""
> "resources_en_US.properties\n"
> "RID_COMMON_21\n"
> "property.text"
> msgid ""
> "The wizard could not be run, because important files were not found.\\n"
> "Under 'Tools - Options - %PRODUCTNAME - Paths' click the 'Default' button
> to "
> "reset the paths to the original default settings.\\n"
> "Then run the wizard again."
> msgstr ""
> "Ekki tókst að keyra leiðarvísinn, þar sem mikilvægar skrár fundust
> ekki.\n"
> "Farðu í 'Verkfæri - Valkostir - %PRODUCTNAME - Slóðir' smelltu á "
> "'Sjálfgefið' hnappinn til að endursetja slóðirnar á upprunalegar
> stillingar.\n"
> "Keyrðu svo aftur leiðarvísinn."
>
> You see the double backslash in the newline entities, compared to the
> "normal" ones in my older translation. There's a bunch of similar issues;
> possibly my download got somehow fubar-ed, will try again later.
> But possibly this is a more serious server-side matter!
>
> Will file a bug once someone else confirms the behaviour for other
> languages.
>
> Best regards,
> Sveinn í Felli
>
>
> Þann fös  6.okt 2017 08:52, skrifaði Gabor Kelemen:
>
>> Hi Sveinn
>>
>> It seems like the empty sting was marked for translation:
>>
>> #define RID_UPDATE_BUBBLE_DOWNLOADING
>> NC_("RID_UPDATE_BUBBLE_DOWNLOADING", "")
>>
>> https://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/extensions/inc/strings.hrc#320
>>
>> This RID_UPDATE_BUBBLE_DOWNLOADING was an empty string before the gettext
>> migration too:
>> https://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/extensi
>> ons/source/update/check/updatehdl.src?id=00657aef09d85
>> 4c74fb426a935a3e8b1fc390bb0
>>
>> But I think now the gettext framework would retrieve the mo file header
>> here, which is probably not the expected behavior.
>>
>> Could you file a bug report please?
>>
>> Regards
>> Gabor
>>
>>
>>
>> 2017-10-06 10:12 GMT+02:00 Sveinn í Felli :
>>
>> Hi,
>>>
>>> (not going to rant about all the 7000+ unnecessary fuzzies and false
>>> positive checks - but still...)
>>>
>>> There is a weird string in LibreOffice master – UI -->
>>> extensions/messages.po --> Unit #137750341
>>> Seems there's no translatable text and thus no translation possible.
>>>
>>> Can someone check in their language?
>>>
>>> Sveinn í Felli
>>>
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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Updated templates for master

[Sveinn í Felli]

Forgot to say that in Pootle the string is normal (without the 
extra-backslash).


Sveinn



2017-10-06 11:04 GMT+02:00 Sveinn í Felli :


Hi Gabor;

There are more creepy things circulating:

For example in LibreOffice master – UI --> wizards/source/resources.po -->
Unit #137767072 I get this in the downloaded PO-file:

#. zRGEs
#: resources_en_US.properties
#, fuzzy
msgctxt ""
"resources_en_US.properties\n"
"RID_COMMON_21\n"
"property.text"
msgid ""
"The wizard could not be run, because important files were not found.\\n"
"Under 'Tools - Options - %PRODUCTNAME - Paths' click the 'Default' button
to "
"reset the paths to the original default settings.\\n"
"Then run the wizard again."
msgstr ""
"Ekki tókst að keyra leiðarvísinn, þar sem mikilvægar skrár fundust
ekki.\n"
"Farðu í 'Verkfæri - Valkostir - %PRODUCTNAME - Slóðir' smelltu á"
"'Sjálfgefið' hnappinn til að endursetja slóðirnar á upprunalegar
stillingar.\n"
"Keyrðu svo aftur leiðarvísinn."

You see the double backslash in the newline entities, compared to the
"normal" ones in my older translation. There's a bunch of similar issues;
possibly my download got somehow fubar-ed, will try again later.
But possibly this is a more serious server-side matter!

Will file a bug once someone else confirms the behaviour for other
languages.

Best regards,
Sveinn í Felli


Þann fös  6.okt 2017 08:52, skrifaði Gabor Kelemen:


Hi Sveinn

It seems like the empty sting was marked for translation:

#define RID_UPDATE_BUBBLE_DOWNLOADING
NC_("RID_UPDATE_BUBBLE_DOWNLOADING", "")

https://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/extensions/inc/strings.hrc#320

This RID_UPDATE_BUBBLE_DOWNLOADING was an empty string before the gettext
migration too:
https://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/extensi
ons/source/update/check/updatehdl.src?id=00657aef09d85
4c74fb426a935a3e8b1fc390bb0

But I think now the gettext framework would retrieve the mo file header
here, which is probably not the expected behavior.

Could you file a bug report please?

Regards
Gabor



2017-10-06 10:12 GMT+02:00 Sveinn í Felli :

Hi,


(not going to rant about all the 7000+ unnecessary fuzzies and false
positive checks - but still...)

There is a weird string in LibreOffice master – UI -->
extensions/messages.po --> Unit #137750341
Seems there's no translatable text and thus no translation possible.

Can someone check in their language?

Sveinn í Felli

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Updated templates for master

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hi,

you are correct, that string is now buggy, but it is as such some time in
the 6.0/master ...

Lp, m.

2017-10-06 11:04 GMT+02:00 Sveinn í Felli :

> Hi Gabor;
>
> There are more creepy things circulating:
>
> For example in LibreOffice master – UI --> wizards/source/resources.po -->
> Unit #137767072 I get this in the downloaded PO-file:
>
> #. zRGEs
> #: resources_en_US.properties
> #, fuzzy
> msgctxt ""
> "resources_en_US.properties\n"
> "RID_COMMON_21\n"
> "property.text"
> msgid ""
> "The wizard could not be run, because important files were not found.\\n"
> "Under 'Tools - Options - %PRODUCTNAME - Paths' click the 'Default' button
> to "
> "reset the paths to the original default settings.\\n"
> "Then run the wizard again."
> msgstr ""
> "Ekki tókst að keyra leiðarvísinn, þar sem mikilvægar skrár fundust
> ekki.\n"
> "Farðu í 'Verkfæri - Valkostir - %PRODUCTNAME - Slóðir' smelltu á "
> "'Sjálfgefið' hnappinn til að endursetja slóðirnar á upprunalegar
> stillingar.\n"
> "Keyrðu svo aftur leiðarvísinn."
>
> You see the double backslash in the newline entities, compared to the
> "normal" ones in my older translation. There's a bunch of similar issues;
> possibly my download got somehow fubar-ed, will try again later.
> But possibly this is a more serious server-side matter!
>
> Will file a bug once someone else confirms the behaviour for other
> languages.
>
> Best regards,
> Sveinn í Felli
>
>
> Þann fös  6.okt 2017 08:52, skrifaði Gabor Kelemen:
>
>> Hi Sveinn
>>
>> It seems like the empty sting was marked for translation:
>>
>> #define RID_UPDATE_BUBBLE_DOWNLOADING
>> NC_("RID_UPDATE_BUBBLE_DOWNLOADING", "")
>>
>> https://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/extensions/inc/strings.hrc#320
>>
>> This RID_UPDATE_BUBBLE_DOWNLOADING was an empty string before the gettext
>> migration too:
>> https://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/extensi
>> ons/source/update/check/updatehdl.src?id=00657aef09d85
>> 4c74fb426a935a3e8b1fc390bb0
>>
>> But I think now the gettext framework would retrieve the mo file header
>> here, which is probably not the expected behavior.
>>
>> Could you file a bug report please?
>>
>> Regards
>> Gabor
>>
>>
>>
>> 2017-10-06 10:12 GMT+02:00 Sveinn í Felli :
>>
>> Hi,
>>>
>>> (not going to rant about all the 7000+ unnecessary fuzzies and false
>>> positive checks - but still...)
>>>
>>> There is a weird string in LibreOffice master – UI -->
>>> extensions/messages.po --> Unit #137750341
>>> Seems there's no translatable text and thus no translation possible.
>>>
>>> Can someone check in their language?
>>>
>>> Sveinn í Felli
>>>
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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Updated templates for master

[Sveinn í Felli]

Hi Gabor;

There are more creepy things circulating:

For example in LibreOffice master – UI --> wizards/source/resources.po 
--> Unit #137767072 I get this in the downloaded PO-file:


#. zRGEs
#: resources_en_US.properties
#, fuzzy
msgctxt ""
"resources_en_US.properties\n"
"RID_COMMON_21\n"
"property.text"
msgid ""
"The wizard could not be run, because important files were not found.\\n"
"Under 'Tools - Options - %PRODUCTNAME - Paths' click the 'Default' 
button to "

"reset the paths to the original default settings.\\n"
"Then run the wizard again."
msgstr ""
"Ekki tókst að keyra leiðarvísinn, þar sem mikilvægar skrár fundust ekki.\n"
"Farðu í 'Verkfæri - Valkostir - %PRODUCTNAME - Slóðir' smelltu á "
"'Sjálfgefið' hnappinn til að endursetja slóðirnar á upprunalegar 
stillingar.\n"

"Keyrðu svo aftur leiðarvísinn."

You see the double backslash in the newline entities, compared to the 
"normal" ones in my older translation. There's a bunch of similar 
issues; possibly my download got somehow fubar-ed, will try again later.

But possibly this is a more serious server-side matter!

Will file a bug once someone else confirms the behaviour for other 
languages.


Best regards,
Sveinn í Felli

Þann fös  6.okt 2017 08:52, skrifaði Gabor Kelemen:

Hi Sveinn

It seems like the empty sting was marked for translation:

#define RID_UPDATE_BUBBLE_DOWNLOADING
NC_("RID_UPDATE_BUBBLE_DOWNLOADING", "")

https://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/extensions/inc/strings.hrc#320

This RID_UPDATE_BUBBLE_DOWNLOADING was an empty string before the gettext
migration too:
https://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/extensions/source/update/check/updatehdl.src?id=00657aef09d854c74fb426a935a3e8b1fc390bb0

But I think now the gettext framework would retrieve the mo file header
here, which is probably not the expected behavior.

Could you file a bug report please?

Regards
Gabor



2017-10-06 10:12 GMT+02:00 Sveinn í Felli :


Hi,

(not going to rant about all the 7000+ unnecessary fuzzies and false
positive checks - but still...)

There is a weird string in LibreOffice master – UI -->
extensions/messages.po --> Unit #137750341
Seems there's no translatable text and thus no translation possible.

Can someone check in their language?

Sveinn í Felli

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Updated templates for master

[Gabor Kelemen]

Hi Sveinn

It seems like the empty sting was marked for translation:

#define RID_UPDATE_BUBBLE_DOWNLOADING
NC_("RID_UPDATE_BUBBLE_DOWNLOADING", "")

https://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/extensions/inc/strings.hrc#320

This RID_UPDATE_BUBBLE_DOWNLOADING was an empty string before the gettext
migration too:
https://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/extensions/source/update/check/updatehdl.src?id=00657aef09d854c74fb426a935a3e8b1fc390bb0

But I think now the gettext framework would retrieve the mo file header
here, which is probably not the expected behavior.

Could you file a bug report please?

Regards
Gabor



2017-10-06 10:12 GMT+02:00 Sveinn í Felli :

> Hi,
>
> (not going to rant about all the 7000+ unnecessary fuzzies and false
> positive checks - but still...)
>
> There is a weird string in LibreOffice master – UI -->
> extensions/messages.po --> Unit #137750341
> Seems there's no translatable text and thus no translation possible.
>
> Can someone check in their language?
>
> Sveinn í Felli
>
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[libreoffice-l10n] Updated templates for master

[Sveinn í Felli]

Hi,

(not going to rant about all the 7000+ unnecessary fuzzies and false 
positive checks - but still...)


There is a weird string in LibreOffice master – UI --> 
extensions/messages.po --> Unit #137750341

Seems there's no translatable text and thus no translation possible.

Can someone check in their language?

Sveinn í Felli

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