Re: [libreoffice-l10n] [ANNOUNCE] Locale data date acceptance patterns, localizers HEADS UP please :)
Hi, On Friday, 2012-01-20 21:14:29 +0100, Eike Rathke wrote: On Friday, 2012-01-20 13:32:26 +0100, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote: Only one answer saying that fr_CH will be happy with D/M. Sigh.. so fr-CH will be happy with D/M for fr-FR ... because fr-CH doesn't even use '/' date separator.. Indeed. But they use the dot as decimal separator and date separator. So there is a conflict if you type 1.2 in a cell. I wouldn't call that a conflict, 1.2 then takes precedence as decimal number. Adding D/M as date acceptance pattern is no problem, just how widespread is its use and would users be aware? This could be a case for D.M. if that's used in writing or informal speech. I have no idea. Would be good if fr-CH natives chimed in. As there was no response I added D/M and D.M. http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=5930f866b649db40e6ddfd5004d4133ccbb0ede0 Eike -- LibreOffice Calc developer. Number formatter stricken i18n transpositionizer. GnuPG key 0x293C05FD : 997A 4C60 CE41 0149 0DB3 9E96 2F1A D073 293C 05FD -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] [ANNOUNCE] Locale data date acceptance patterns, localizers HEADS UP please :)
Hi Mihkel, On Monday, 2012-01-23 19:37:01 +0200, Mihkel Tõnnov wrote: For Estonian, please add the officially correct incomplete date pattern D.M and also some which are technically not correct, but which are used nevertheless (and I don't think they'd conflict with anything, so it shouldn't hurt): D. M, D.M., D. M.. Done http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=e6870cf32d7e95aca07f260b9cc9965da3299cce Btw, I noticed that et_EE uses identical characters for QuotationStart/DoubleQuotationStart and QuotationEnd/DoubleQuotationEnd which are both double quotation marks. QuotationStart/End are meant for single quotation marks though. Maybe I already asked this times ago over at OOo but forgot ... Eike -- LibreOffice Calc developer. Number formatter stricken i18n transpositionizer. GnuPG key 0x293C05FD : 997A 4C60 CE41 0149 0DB3 9E96 2F1A D073 293C 05FD -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] [ANNOUNCE] Locale data date acceptance patterns, localizers HEADS UP please :)
Hi alan.monfort, On Monday, 2012-01-23 20:29:08 +0100, alan.monf...@free.fr wrote: For breton language, we use DD/MM for the short pattern, DD/MM/YY or DD/MM/YY for the developped one. Done http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=91e9cdd32943de6d3075a26e468bba11fa60bdee Note that acceptance patterns don't use replicated codes, i.e. it doesn't matter if a single or double digit day or month is entered, so it's just a D/M pattern. D/M/Y is already generated from FormatElement with index 21 (DD/MM/) Thanks Eike -- LibreOffice Calc developer. Number formatter stricken i18n transpositionizer. GnuPG key 0x293C05FD : 997A 4C60 CE41 0149 0DB3 9E96 2F1A D073 293C 05FD -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] [ANNOUNCE] Locale data date acceptance patterns, localizers HEADS UP please :)
2012/1/27 Marek Laane b...@smail.ee 2012/1/27 Eike Rathke er...@redhat.com Hi Mihkel, On Monday, 2012-01-23 19:37:01 +0200, Mihkel Tõnnov wrote: For Estonian, please add the officially correct incomplete date pattern D.M and also some which are technically not correct, but which are used nevertheless (and I don't think they'd conflict with anything, so it shouldn't hurt): D. M, D.M., D. M.. Done http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=e6870cf32d7e95aca07f260b9cc9965da3299cce Btw, I noticed that et_EE uses identical characters for QuotationStart/DoubleQuotationStart and QuotationEnd/DoubleQuotationEnd which are both double quotation marks. QuotationStart/End are meant for single quotation marks though. Maybe I already asked this times ago over at OOo but forgot ... Eike That's probably because we as a rule don't use single quotation marks in Estonian (though there are some very specific uses). But apparently it would be wise have them at least in LO. Marek Laane There are two correct options for single quotation marks: ‘ ’ (U+2018 and U+2019) and ’ ’ (U+2019 and U+2019). I prefer the first option. For reference: http://www.eki.ee/books/ekk09/index.php?p=2p1=11id=86 and http://keeleabi.eki.ee/index.php?leht=8id=74 (both in Estonian) Mihkel -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] [ANNOUNCE] Locale data date acceptance patterns, localizers HEADS UP please :)
Hi Niklas, On Friday, 2012-01-20 17:01:24 +0100, Niklas Johansson wrote: When looking closer at the date- and time-formats for sv_SE I find a lot of duplicates of -MM-DD and YY-MM-DD. There are a few lets say questionable formats there as well. When it comes to time- formats. I really hope we at least can have HH.MM and MM.SS As said, there can be only one TimeSeparator that is recognized by the input scanner, which currently is ':', you may change that to '.' and need to adapt at least the format codes that are used to edit existing values, see current locale.dtd for details. If you don't want to change the TimeSeparator you can still add HH.MM or MM.SS formats to the already existing (use formatindex above 50 for that), but those wouldn't be used to edit times, which may confuse users. Is it possible not to turn inputs on format MM.DD into dates in Calc. If there is no M.D DateAcceptancePattern defined then such input will not yield a date. This was the main point of the change :) It is much more likely that it is supposed to be a time value HH.MM? Would be recognized as time only if the TimeSeparator would be '.' instead of ':' MM-DD is good to have accepted though. Not really sure if it's possible. With DateAcceptancePattern M-D yes. I will have a closer look at the current formats and discuss them locally. But that might take some time so. I appended a few formats to the sv_SE.xml do you want a patch, or how should i proceed? Yes, a patch diff would be appreciated. Eike -- LibreOffice Calc developer. Number formatter stricken i18n transpositionizer. GnuPG key 0x293C05FD : 997A 4C60 CE41 0149 0DB3 9E96 2F1A D073 293C 05FD -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] [ANNOUNCE] Locale data date acceptance patterns, localizers HEADS UP please :)
Hi Harri, On Friday, 2012-01-20 19:11:00 +0200, Harri Pitkänen wrote: For Finnish (fi_FI) please add D.M., I don't think other abbreviated formats are used here. Added http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=49e685663146b9ad59a47cfaf9cf499fc6a6b937 Thanks Eike -- LibreOffice Calc developer. Number formatter stricken i18n transpositionizer. GnuPG key 0x293C05FD : 997A 4C60 CE41 0149 0DB3 9E96 2F1A D073 293C 05FD -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] [ANNOUNCE] Locale data date acceptance patterns, localizers HEADS UP please :)
Hi Zeki, On Saturday, 2012-01-21 00:01:45 +0200, Zeki Bildirici wrote: D.M D/M D-M should be all fine for tr-TR (Turkish). The common seperator is . but there is not a rule for it so any seperator can be used. Added http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=2d8a5940a0369127602fcc6144e9c31aae4917bd I checked MS Excel and all the above are completed fine. I think (not sure) Excel does that for all locales, as we did before, leading to the same annoyances. Thanks Eike -- LibreOffice Calc developer. Number formatter stricken i18n transpositionizer. GnuPG key 0x293C05FD : 997A 4C60 CE41 0149 0DB3 9E96 2F1A D073 293C 05FD -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] [ANNOUNCE] Locale data date acceptance patterns, localizers HEADS UP please :)
For Estonian, please add the officially correct incomplete date pattern D.M and also some which are technically not correct, but which are used nevertheless (and I don't think they'd conflict with anything, so it shouldn't hurt): D. M, D.M., D. M.. Best regards, Mihkel -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] [ANNOUNCE] Locale data date acceptance patterns, localizers HEADS UP please :)
Hello, For breton language, we use DD/MM for the short pattern, DD/MM/YY or DD/MM/YY for the developped one. Many thanks. Best regards Alan For Estonian, please add the officially correct incomplete date pattern D.M and also some which are technically not correct, but which are used nevertheless (and I don't think they'd conflict with anything, so it shouldn't hurt): D. M, D.M., D. M.. Best regards, Mihkel -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] [ANNOUNCE] Locale data date acceptance patterns, localizers HEADS UP please :)
Le 19/01/2012 23:53, Eike Rathke a écrit : Hi Jean-Baptiste, On Thursday, 2012-01-19 22:33:43 +0100, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote: Only one answer saying that fr_CH will be happy with D/M. Sigh.. so fr-CH will be happy with D/M for fr-FR ... because fr-CH doesn't even use '/' date separator.. Indeed. But they use the dot as decimal separator and date separator. So there is a conflict if you type 1.2 in a cell. Best regards. JBF -- Seuls des formats ouverts peuvent assurer la pérennité de vos documents. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] [ANNOUNCE] Locale data date acceptance patterns, localizers HEADS UP please :)
Hi again When looking closer at the date- and time-formats for sv_SE I find a lot of duplicates of -MM-DD and YY-MM-DD. There are a few lets say questionable formats there as well. When it comes to time- formats. I really hope we at least can have HH.MM and MM.SS Is it possible not to turn inputs on format MM.DD into dates in Calc. It is much more likely that it is supposed to be a time value HH.MM? MM-DD is good to have accepted though. Not really sure if it's possible. I will have a closer look at the current formats and discuss them locally. But that might take some time so. I appended a few formats to the sv_SE.xml do you want a patch, or how should i proceed? Thanks, Niklas Johansson Niklas Johansson skrev 2012-01-18 18:08: Hi Eike [... time separator ...] Is it possible to accept both . and : as separators? No, only one is possible. OK, good to know. EU-standard (not seen that often but since were in the EU and all EU documents , use this format it would be a good thing to support): D.M D.M. Which standard would that be? I only know of EN 28601 that followed ISO 8601. Sorry, bad choice of words. The source of information that I used are the recommendations that Språkrådet (the Swedish language council) gives. In their book Svenska skrivregler they state that the format D.M. is used in all EU-documents regardless of language. After some searching on the net I found publications I found this link: http://publications.europa.eu/code/en/en-4100500en.htm And a few more (Swedish and English) that said something similar to Dates in the text should always be given in their full form (6 June 1992), whereas in footnotes they should always be abbreviated, i.e. 6.6.1992, not 6.6.92 You can define as many date formats (to display dates) you want by just adding them to the locale data file starting with formatindex=50, too many formats in the dialog may just confuse users though.. Thank you, I'll have a closer look. Did a quick test build and was able to add D/M . I'll discuss things further on the Swedish list and get back to you as soon as possible. For date acceptance patterns, as long as the DMY order stays the same within one locale also multiple separators can be used, ISO 8601 and its YMD order is always supported internally, no need to define anything for that. OK, in other words D/M might be a problem for us since the most common format is -MM-DD. I don't think it really matters that much, the most important (commonly used) formats are already supported. -- Thanks, /Niklas -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] [ANNOUNCE] Locale data date acceptance patterns, localizers HEADS UP please :)
On Thursday 12 January 2012, Eike Rathke wrote: If in your locale input of incomplete/abbreviated dates shall be allowed, this will need a DateAcceptancePattern element be added to locale data, for example in en-US it's M/D and in de-DE it's D.M. (both already in). Just mail me the pattern(s) for your locale, I'll add it then. For Finnish (fi_FI) please add D.M., I don't think other abbreviated formats are used here. Harri -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] [ANNOUNCE] Locale data date acceptance patterns, localizers HEADS UP please :)
Hi Jean-Baptiste, On Friday, 2012-01-20 13:32:26 +0100, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote: Only one answer saying that fr_CH will be happy with D/M. Sigh.. so fr-CH will be happy with D/M for fr-FR ... because fr-CH doesn't even use '/' date separator.. Indeed. But they use the dot as decimal separator and date separator. So there is a conflict if you type 1.2 in a cell. I wouldn't call that a conflict, 1.2 then takes precedence as decimal number. Adding D/M as date acceptance pattern is no problem, just how widespread is its use and would users be aware? This could be a case for D.M. if that's used in writing or informal speech. I have no idea. Would be good if fr-CH natives chimed in. Eike -- LibreOffice Calc developer. Number formatter stricken i18n transpositionizer. GnuPG key 0x293C05FD : 997A 4C60 CE41 0149 0DB3 9E96 2F1A D073 293C 05FD -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] [ANNOUNCE] Locale data date acceptance patterns, localizers HEADS UP please :)
12 Ocak 2012 15:43 tarihinde Eike Rathke er...@redhat.com yazdı: Hi, Just mail me the pattern(s) for your locale, I'll add it then. Hi, D.M D/M D-M should be all fine for tr-TR (Turkish). The common seperator is . but there is not a rule for it so any seperator can be used. I checked MS Excel and all the above are completed fine. Regards, Zeki -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] [ANNOUNCE] Locale data date acceptance patterns, localizers HEADS UP please :)
Hi Eike, On Thu, 12 Jan 2012 14:43:47 +0100, Eike Rathke er...@redhat.com wrote: In order to get rid of the annoying accept every input as date that might resemble some date in almost any locale behavior I recently implemented locale dependent date acceptance patterns that need to be matched for date input, for full details see http://erack.org/blog/archives/8-LibreOffice-date-acceptance-patterns.html Thanks a lot for your work! (snip) Just mail me the pattern(s) for your locale, I'll add it then. For ja_JP could you add the same patterns as the following one for zh_CN: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=605707652afebf0e5c90311adcc7767ebe807e45 Cheers, -- Takeshi Abe Thanks Eike -- LibreOffice Calc developer. Number formatter stricken i18n transpositionizer. GnuPG key 0x293C05FD : 997A 4C60 CE41 0149 0DB3 9E96 2F1A D073 293C 05FD -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] [ANNOUNCE] Locale data date acceptance patterns, localizers HEADS UP please :)
Hi Takeshi, On Thursday, 2012-01-19 22:54:25 +0900, Takeshi Abe wrote: For ja_JP could you add the same patterns as the following one for zh_CN: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=605707652afebf0e5c90311adcc7767ebe807e45 Done, except that I used Y／M／D instead of Y/M/D as the latter is already automatically generated from the /MM/DD date format, ja-JP uses '/' instead of '／' as date separator. http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=af25972c19bcd0bef7739bd777c67907d61b2b16 Thanks Eike -- LibreOffice Calc developer. Number formatter stricken i18n transpositionizer. GnuPG key 0x293C05FD : 997A 4C60 CE41 0149 0DB3 9E96 2F1A D073 293C 05FD -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] [ANNOUNCE] Locale data date acceptance patterns, localizers HEADS UP please :)
Le 18/01/2012 14:37, Eike Rathke a écrit : Hi Jean-Baptiste, On Sunday, 2012-01-15 07:34:09 +0100, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote: I think for fr_FR we need D/M. Asked for other FR variants on discuss@fr ML. Any news on that? If not, I'll just add D/M Only one answer saying that fr_CH will be happy with D/M. Best regards. JBF -- Seuls des formats ouverts peuvent assurer la pérennité de vos documents. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] [ANNOUNCE] Locale data date acceptance patterns, localizers HEADS UP please :)
Hi Yury, On Wednesday, 2012-01-18 18:21:29 +0200, Yury Tarasievich wrote: ... I'm confused now, does be-BY want incomplete date patterns, yes or no? Yes. Sorry. Ok ;-) done http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=09c1d111208619197fa851b21ff24bd261a93b15 And also it wants a possibility to switch off incomplete date recognition completely? Is this doable? No (not yet?) Best would be to implement an editable list of not auto-generated patterns, so the user could add/remove to her likes. Eike -- LibreOffice Calc developer. Number formatter stricken i18n transpositionizer. GnuPG key 0x293C05FD : 997A 4C60 CE41 0149 0DB3 9E96 2F1A D073 293C 05FD -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] [ANNOUNCE] Locale data date acceptance patterns, localizers HEADS UP please :)
Hi Eike, Ok it seem D/M is probably the best. Regards, AAK On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 3:42 PM, Eike Rathke er...@redhat.com wrote: Hi Aferkiw, On Wednesday, 2012-01-18 00:05:58 +0100, Aferkiw N Tamazgha wrote: I don't understand ... What I need to change for kab_DZ kab-DZ uses DD/MM/ as edit date format, so D/M/Y is generated as date acceptance pattern. If additionally the input of incomplete dates, consisting of day and month only, shall be accepted, it would need a defined D/M or D/M/ pattern, probably D/M Eike -- LibreOffice Calc developer. Number formatter stricken i18n transpositionizer. GnuPG key 0x293C05FD : 997A 4C60 CE41 0149 0DB3 9E96 2F1A D073 293C 05FD -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] [ANNOUNCE] Locale data date acceptance patterns, localizers HEADS UP please :)
Hi Aferkiw, On Thursday, 2012-01-19 23:21:23 +0100, Aferkiw N Tamazgha wrote: Ok it seem D/M is probably the best. Added http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=bffecae79a79feec906f55f25d0d563915d64c6e Thanks Eike -- LibreOffice Calc developer. Number formatter stricken i18n transpositionizer. GnuPG key 0x293C05FD : 997A 4C60 CE41 0149 0DB3 9E96 2F1A D073 293C 05FD -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] [ANNOUNCE] Locale data date acceptance patterns, localizers HEADS UP please :)
Hi Jean-Baptiste, On Thursday, 2012-01-19 22:33:43 +0100, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote: Only one answer saying that fr_CH will be happy with D/M. Sigh.. so fr-CH will be happy with D/M for fr-FR ... because fr-CH doesn't even use '/' date separator.. Anyway, now added D/M to fr-FR, fr-BE and fr-LU Eike -- LibreOffice Calc developer. Number formatter stricken i18n transpositionizer. GnuPG key 0x293C05FD : 997A 4C60 CE41 0149 0DB3 9E96 2F1A D073 293C 05FD -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] [ANNOUNCE] Locale data date acceptance patterns, localizers HEADS UP please :)
On 01/19/2012 11:46 PM, Eike Rathke wrote: And also it wants a possibility to switch off incomplete date recognition completely? Is this doable? No (not yet?) Best would be to implement an editable list of not auto-generated patterns, so the user could add/remove to her likes. ... Well, I really believe we could do without another editable list in the auto-correction. :) Yury -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] [ANNOUNCE] Locale data date acceptance patterns, localizers HEADS UP please :)
Hi Jean-Baptiste, On Sunday, 2012-01-15 07:34:09 +0100, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote: I think for fr_FR we need D/M. Asked for other FR variants on discuss@fr ML. Any news on that? If not, I'll just add D/M Eike -- LibreOffice Calc developer. Number formatter stricken i18n transpositionizer. GnuPG key 0x293C05FD : 997A 4C60 CE41 0149 0DB3 9E96 2F1A D073 293C 05FD -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] [ANNOUNCE] Locale data date acceptance patterns, localizers HEADS UP please :)
Hi Yury, On Wednesday, 2012-01-18 09:24:42 +0200, Yury Tarasievich wrote: Of course, if the functionality is there, anyway, and has to be fed something, even such not-quite-intuitive forms will do. It doesn't _have_ to be fed something, without a specific pattern only input of a full date (here D.M.Y) yields a date and input of incomplete dates will not be possible. *In fact, I hereby request D/M/ and D.M. for the be_BY, please.* No problem, would do, but ... But it would be ever so better to have a possibility for computer to not second-guess at all, as such guesses might even be culturally irrelevant. ... I'm confused now, does be-BY want incomplete date patterns, yes or no? Eike -- LibreOffice Calc developer. Number formatter stricken i18n transpositionizer. GnuPG key 0x293C05FD : 997A 4C60 CE41 0149 0DB3 9E96 2F1A D073 293C 05FD -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] [ANNOUNCE] Locale data date acceptance patterns, localizers HEADS UP please :)
Hi Niklas, On Tuesday, 2012-01-17 11:09:57 +0100, Niklas Johansson wrote: [... time separator ...] Is it possible to accept both . and : as separators? No, only one is possible. Common dateformats that LibreOffice doesn't support for Swedish include: D/M D/M EU-standard (not seen that often but since were in the EU and all EU documents , use this format it would be a good thing to support): D.M D.M. Which standard would that be? I only know of EN 28601 that followed ISO 8601. The SS-ISO 8601 standard -MM-DD is the most frequently used format and the current standard for Swedish in LibreOffice. Is it possible to support all these formats? You can define as many date formats (to display dates) you want by just adding them to the locale data file starting with formatindex=50, too many formats in the dialog may just confuse users though.. For date acceptance patterns, as long as the DMY order stays the same within one locale also multiple separators can be used, ISO 8601 and its YMD order is always supported internally, no need to define anything for that. Eike -- LibreOffice Calc developer. Number formatter stricken i18n transpositionizer. GnuPG key 0x293C05FD : 997A 4C60 CE41 0149 0DB3 9E96 2F1A D073 293C 05FD -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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Hi Aferkiw, On Wednesday, 2012-01-18 00:05:58 +0100, Aferkiw N Tamazgha wrote: I don't understand ... What I need to change for kab_DZ kab-DZ uses DD/MM/ as edit date format, so D/M/Y is generated as date acceptance pattern. If additionally the input of incomplete dates, consisting of day and month only, shall be accepted, it would need a defined D/M or D/M/ pattern, probably D/M Eike -- LibreOffice Calc developer. Number formatter stricken i18n transpositionizer. GnuPG key 0x293C05FD : 997A 4C60 CE41 0149 0DB3 9E96 2F1A D073 293C 05FD -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] [ANNOUNCE] Locale data date acceptance patterns, localizers HEADS UP please :)
On 01/18/2012 03:50 PM, Eike Rathke wrote: ... But it would be ever so better to have a possibility for computer to not second-guess at all, as such guesses might even be culturally irrelevant. ... I'm confused now, does be-BY want incomplete date patterns, yes or no? Yes. Sorry. And also it wants a possibility to switch off incomplete date recognition completely? Is this doable? Thanks! Yury -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] [ANNOUNCE] Locale data date acceptance patterns, localizers HEADS UP please :)
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 12:05 AM, Eike Rathke er...@redhat.com wrote: Hi Cheng-Chia, On Tuesday, 2012-01-17 12:22:17 +0800, Cheng-Chia Tseng wrote: For zh-TW, full date patterns are: Y-M-D Y/M/D Y.M.D Y-M-D is the always accepted ISO 8601 pattern, and Y/M/D is already generated from FormatElement formatindex=21, no need for those. Added Y.M.D And incomplete date patterns are: M-D M/D M.D With decimal separator '.' the M.D pattern is not possible, added the other two. Also added Y年M月D日 and M月D日 as those are defined in the format codes, I hope that was correct.. http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=fa836f7bf0fcdab6029320bdf7830c561d5ea823 Thanks Eike Thank you a lot! That was correct. :) -- Sincerely, by Cheng-Chia Tseng -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] [ANNOUNCE] Locale data date acceptance patterns, localizers HEADS UP please :)
Hi Eike [... time separator ...] Is it possible to accept both . and : as separators? No, only one is possible. OK, good to know. EU-standard (not seen that often but since were in the EU and all EU documents , use this format it would be a good thing to support): D.M D.M. Which standard would that be? I only know of EN 28601 that followed ISO 8601. Sorry, bad choice of words. The source of information that I used are the recommendations that Språkrådet (the Swedish language council) gives. In their book Svenska skrivregler they state that the format D.M. is used in all EU-documents regardless of language. After some searching on the net I found publications I found this link: http://publications.europa.eu/code/en/en-4100500en.htm And a few more (Swedish and English) that said something similar to Dates in the text should always be given in their full form (6 June 1992), whereas in footnotes they should always be abbreviated, i.e. 6.6.1992, not 6.6.92 You can define as many date formats (to display dates) you want by just adding them to the locale data file starting with formatindex=50, too many formats in the dialog may just confuse users though.. Thank you, I'll have a closer look. Did a quick test build and was able to add D/M . I'll discuss things further on the Swedish list and get back to you as soon as possible. For date acceptance patterns, as long as the DMY order stays the same within one locale also multiple separators can be used, ISO 8601 and its YMD order is always supported internally, no need to define anything for that. OK, in other words D/M might be a problem for us since the most common format is -MM-DD. I don't think it really matters that much, the most important (commonly used) formats are already supported. -- Thanks, /Niklas -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] [ANNOUNCE] Locale data date acceptance patterns, localizers HEADS UP please :)
Hi Yury, On Tuesday, 2012-01-17 07:41:42 +0200, Yury Tarasievich wrote: For Belarusian, D.M with no more than two digits per part might do (is the two-digit limit enforcable?). The pattern is just a prerequisite, if the number input doesn't form a valid date it doesn't lead to a date even if the pattern was matched, so anything like 32.13 already wouldn't be a valid date. Actually, it'd be better to have possibility of switching off the feature altogether, across the installation, as the traditional fractional part separator /comma/ tends quite often to be substituted by the /dot/, in these times. I'm not sure I understand. If you're saying that people tend to input decimal numbers as #.# instead of #,# then better not define the D.M date acceptance pattern to prevent confusion, and a #.# input will just be a textual string. Is that what you meant? Historically, it was often D/M (D in Arabic numerals, M in Roman). With roman numbers that wouldn't work. We could define a D/M pattern, but input would have to be in Arabic numerals. Eike -- LibreOffice Calc developer. Number formatter stricken i18n transpositionizer. GnuPG key 0x293C05FD : 997A 4C60 CE41 0149 0DB3 9E96 2F1A D073 293C 05FD -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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Hi leif, On Monday, 2012-01-16 18:59:46 +0100, leif wrote: Same for Danish (da_DK):D/M/ and D.M. Hmm.. sure? da-DK defines '-' dash as date separator. Eike -- LibreOffice Calc developer. Number formatter stricken i18n transpositionizer. GnuPG key 0x293C05FD : 997A 4C60 CE41 0149 0DB3 9E96 2F1A D073 293C 05FD -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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Hi Sveinn, On Monday, 2012-01-16 08:29:48 +, Sveinn í Felli wrote: I think for Icelandic (is_IS) it should be D/M/ and D.M. Done http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=3cc4917c2df89d427ea9ae3fdba9e8a5c9df6371 Thanks Eike -- LibreOffice Calc developer. Number formatter stricken i18n transpositionizer. GnuPG key 0x293C05FD : 997A 4C60 CE41 0149 0DB3 9E96 2F1A D073 293C 05FD -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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Hi Ankitkumar, On Monday, 2012-01-16 13:06:50 +0530, Ankitkumar Rameshchandra Patel wrote: I just noticed that locale data apart from Date Patterns also needs to be updated for the language (Gujarati - gu_IN) I co-ordinate. Will it be possible for you to update everything together? I can pass the updated gu_IN.xml file. Yes, of course, that's fine. If possible I'd prefer a diff against the latest revision in the repository though instead of the entire file. Always better in case other changes went in in the mean time. Eike -- LibreOffice Calc developer. Number formatter stricken i18n transpositionizer. GnuPG key 0x293C05FD : 997A 4C60 CE41 0149 0DB3 9E96 2F1A D073 293C 05FD -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] [ANNOUNCE] Locale data date acceptance patterns, localizers HEADS UP please :)
Hi Serg, On Sunday, 2012-01-15 19:11:54 +0400, Serg Bormant wrote: I think for ru_RU we need D/M/ and D.M.. Note that ru-RU doesn't define any D/M/Y format, however, I added the D/M/ input pattern as requested. http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=054b910f72de25e085f1fd54e37118503cd5a527 Thanks Eike -- LibreOffice Calc developer. Number formatter stricken i18n transpositionizer. GnuPG key 0x293C05FD : 997A 4C60 CE41 0149 0DB3 9E96 2F1A D073 293C 05FD -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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Hi Modestas, On Saturday, 2012-01-14 17:56:06 +0200, Modestas Rimkus wrote: please add M-D pattern for Lithuanian (lt). This should be converted into two-digit numbers and result in -MM-DD. Thanks. Done http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=87b12c42717a3488cc179d07cf42ace2335aced4 Thanks Eike -- LibreOffice Calc developer. Number formatter stricken i18n transpositionizer. GnuPG key 0x293C05FD : 997A 4C60 CE41 0149 0DB3 9E96 2F1A D073 293C 05FD -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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Hi Michael, On Saturday, 2012-01-14 14:45:29 +, Michael Bauer wrote: For gd, the patterns are D.M, D/M and D-M (technically gd-GB but I think right now we've only got gd and aren't separating gd-GB and gd-CA) We only have gd-GB. Note that D.M can't be used as it would be a decimal number. D.M. would be possible, but I don't know if that's used. I added D/M and D-M for now. http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=197c0ef041fb92ba08d6440258e59485c81214a2 Thanks Eike -- LibreOffice Calc developer. Number formatter stricken i18n transpositionizer. GnuPG key 0x293C05FD : 997A 4C60 CE41 0149 0DB3 9E96 2F1A D073 293C 05FD -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] [ANNOUNCE] Locale data date acceptance patterns, localizers HEADS UP please :)
Hi Freek, On Saturday, 2012-01-14 15:38:01 +0100, Freek de Kruijf wrote: For nl, if needed both nl_NL and nl_BE there are two patterns: D/M and D-M Added D-M to nl-NL http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=741282c6e8d82c31c534b2e30dbc4ba8ca21299e and D/M to nl-BE http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=abfbda01c8faa06f7c97692c25be0e8419cd2c48 Thanks Eike -- LibreOffice Calc developer. Number formatter stricken i18n transpositionizer. GnuPG key 0x293C05FD : 997A 4C60 CE41 0149 0DB3 9E96 2F1A D073 293C 05FD -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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Hi Dean, On Monday, 2012-01-16 18:16:25 +0800, Dean Lee wrote: For zh-CN, these patterns are commonly used by typists: M-D M.D M/D Y-M-D Y.M.D Y/M/D Note that M.D is not possible as it would be the input of a decimal number, Y.M.D is fine. Y-M-D is the always accepted ISO 8601 input format and doesn't need to be explicitly mentioned. Added all others. I also added M／D with U+FF0F FULLWIDTH SOLIDUS as that is used as the locale's date separator. And I added Y年M月D日 and M月D日 as well as they are defined in the date formats, I hope that was correct.. http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=605707652afebf0e5c90311adcc7767ebe807e45 Thanks Eike -- LibreOffice Calc developer. Number formatter stricken i18n transpositionizer. GnuPG key 0x293C05FD : 997A 4C60 CE41 0149 0DB3 9E96 2F1A D073 293C 05FD -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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Hi Milos, On Saturday, 2012-01-14 20:39:42 +0100, Milos Sramek wrote: I found several incorrect items in sk_SK.xml. When corrected, may I send it to you, too? Yes, of course. Is it somehow possible to test such file before sending it? Only by building LibO, as the xml files are converted to binary data during the build process. The mere syntactical XML correctness can be checked with a validator, but that doesn't detect any problems regarding content, see i18npool/source/localedata/data/locale.dtd Regarding Acceptance patterns. Currently, we have in Slovak: 11. converts o 11.02.12 11.2 converts to 11.02.12 Which is OK, I just would prefer 11.02.2012 Then you need a different default medium format, currently FormatElement with formatindex=20 has default=true, that needed to be default=false and FormatElement with formatindex=21 set to default=true instead. For 11. and 11.2 you'd need to add DateAcceptancePatternD./DateAcceptancePattern DateAcceptancePatternD.M/DateAcceptancePattern though past user experience was that the D. input converted to date sometimes was considered annoying, also D.M, but of course that differs by cultural background. 11-2 also converts to 11.02.12, but I would prefer 2012-01-11 Would that be possible? No, only a full ISO 8601 Y-M-D date input will display as -MM-DD if the locale's format is different. Both forms (with . and -) are OK according to Slovak standard, so it makes sense to have both these possibilities. In fact, no format is defined with the |DateAcceptancePattern |tag. Which one is used then? The default one? As written in my blog article the default full date acceptance pattern is generated from FormatElement formatindex=21, for sk-SK that's DD.MM. so the pattern is D.M.Y In fact, can we have different default format for Cand and for Writer? No. This makes sense for me - in Calc I find 11.02.2012 more appropriate, but in Writer 11. február 2012 should be prefered. And the last one: In 11. február 2012, február is in the nominative case. However we should use genitive: februára. Is it possible to specify that? Currently, the misuse the Month tag Month MonthIDfeb/MonthID DefaultAbbrvNamefebruár/DefaultAbbrvName DefaultFullNamefebruára/DefaultFullName /Month but it leads often to nonsense. That's now possible :-) see http://erack.org/blog/archives/2-LibreOffice-possessive-genitive-case-and-partitive-case-month-names.html Eike -- LibreOffice Calc developer. Number formatter stricken i18n transpositionizer. GnuPG key 0x293C05FD : 997A 4C60 CE41 0149 0DB3 9E96 2F1A D073 293C 05FD -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] [ANNOUNCE] Locale data date acceptance patterns, localizers HEADS UP please :)
Hi I'm currently looking in to the Swedish (sv-SE) date-patterns. I'm not quite sure how to deal with a few things. In Sweden the official standard for time is H.MM (or HH.MM). It is also very common and accepted to use the international standard with : as a separator. It is so common that it actually got changed to this i OpenOffice.org and inherited into LibreOffice. Is it possible to accept both . and : as separators? Common dateformats that LibreOffice doesn't support for Swedish include: D/M D/M EU-standard (not seen that often but since were in the EU and all EU documents , use this format it would be a good thing to support): D.M D.M. The SS-ISO 8601 standard -MM-DD is the most frequently used format and the current standard for Swedish in LibreOffice. Is it possible to support all these formats? When it comes to date acceptance I'd say that maybe D/M might be good to accept besides the ISO standard of course. I do not think that it is a good idea to accept the D.M though. I did a quick test modifying the sv_SE.xml but got stuck building afterwards. I suppose my later questions all depend if there is any possibility to support multiple separators. Thank you for any guidence Niklas Johansson Eike Rathke skrev 2012-01-12 14:43: Hi, In order to get rid of the annoying accept every input as date that might resemble some date in almost any locale behavior I recently implemented locale dependent date acceptance patterns that need to be matched for date input, for full details see http://erack.org/blog/archives/8-LibreOffice-date-acceptance-patterns.html If in your locale input of incomplete/abbreviated dates shall be allowed, this will need aDateAcceptancePattern element be added to locale data, for example in en-US it's M/D and in de-DE it's D.M. (both already in). Just mail me the pattern(s) for your locale, I'll add it then. Thanks Eike -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] [ANNOUNCE] Locale data date acceptance patterns, localizers HEADS UP please :)
Hello, I don't understand ... What I need to change for kab_DZ On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Niklas Johansson sleeping.pil...@gmail.com wrote: Hi I'm currently looking in to the Swedish (sv-SE) date-patterns. I'm not quite sure how to deal with a few things. In Sweden the official standard for time is H.MM (or HH.MM). It is also very common and accepted to use the international standard with : as a separator. It is so common that it actually got changed to this i OpenOffice.org and inherited into LibreOffice. Is it possible to accept both . and : as separators? Common dateformats that LibreOffice doesn't support for Swedish include: D/M D/M EU-standard (not seen that often but since were in the EU and all EU documents , use this format it would be a good thing to support): D.M D.M. The SS-ISO 8601 standard -MM-DD is the most frequently used format and the current standard for Swedish in LibreOffice. Is it possible to support all these formats? When it comes to date acceptance I'd say that maybe D/M might be good to accept besides the ISO standard of course. I do not think that it is a good idea to accept the D.M though. I did a quick test modifying the sv_SE.xml but got stuck building afterwards. I suppose my later questions all depend if there is any possibility to support multiple separators. Thank you for any guidence Niklas Johansson Eike Rathke skrev 2012-01-12 14:43: Hi, In order to get rid of the annoying accept every input as date that might resemble some date in almost any locale behavior I recently implemented locale dependent date acceptance patterns that need to be matched for date input, for full details see http://erack.org/blog/**archives/8-LibreOffice-date-** acceptance-patterns.htmlhttp://erack.org/blog/archives/8-LibreOffice-date-acceptance-patterns.html If in your locale input of incomplete/abbreviated dates shall be allowed, this will need aDateAcceptancePattern element be added to locale data, for example in en-US it's M/D and in de-DE it's D.M. (both already in). Just mail me the pattern(s) for your locale, I'll add it then. Thanks Eike -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+help@global.libreoffice.**orgl10n%2bh...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquette http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**libreoffice.org/global/l10n/http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] [ANNOUNCE] Locale data date acceptance patterns, localizers HEADS UP please :)
On 01/17/2012 05:23 PM, Eike Rathke wrote: On Tuesday, 2012-01-17 07:41:42 +0200, Yury Tarasievich wrote: Actually, it'd be better to have possibility of switching off the feature altogether, across the installation, as the traditional fractional part separator /comma/ tends quite often to be substituted by the /dot/, in these times. I'm not sure I understand. If you're saying that people tend to input decimal numbers as #.# instead of #,# then better not define the D.M date acceptance pattern to prevent confusion, and a #.# input will just be a textual string. Is that what you meant? No, no. Just that these times some people (who've taken pains to learn computer, for example) tend to use *both* traditional /comma/ and non-traditional /dot/ indiscriminately. Sort of, putting /dot/ in decimal separator place, because it's so in computer. E.g., once upon a time I myself wanted a quick spreadsheet or something, and began to enter numbers with /dot/ (what blessed difference does it make?). Imagine an annoyment when my inputs were one by one converted to dates (what about user working on an installation without a favourite locale?) And then I had to hunt for the switch-off, because the first place I turned to was in Preferences-OOO-General, and there wasn't anything about this besides the interpret two-digit year as. Now, I've noticed that guys from ru_RU team requested D/M/ and D.M., precisely for that reason, I believe (/slash/ is, of course, a traditional symbol for a fraction or division sign; single /dot/ is handier to have just as a fractional part separator). But, in fact, both forms are somewhat counterproductive, because these 1) are not guessable and will require separate learning by the user (nobody without specifically learning those will enter one of the sequences deliberately), and 2) are anyway two digits away from the short form of the date (DD.MM.YY). Of course, if the functionality is there, anyway, and has to be fed something, even such not-quite-intuitive forms will do. *In fact, I hereby request D/M/ and D.M. for the be_BY, please.* But it would be ever so better to have a possibility for computer to not second-guess at all, as such guesses might even be culturally irrelevant. Historically, it was often D/M (D in Arabic numerals, M in Roman). With roman numbers that wouldn't work. We could define a D/M pattern, but input would have to be in Arabic numerals. No need to, as it was historical example, anyway. Yury -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] [ANNOUNCE] Locale data date acceptance patterns, localizers HEADS UP please :)
Þann fim 12.jan 2012 13:43, skrifaði Eike Rathke: If in your locale input of incomplete/abbreviated dates shall be allowed, this will need aDateAcceptancePattern element be added to locale data, for example in en-US it's M/D and in de-DE it's D.M. (both already in). Just mail me the pattern(s) for your locale, I'll add it then. I think for Icelandic (is_IS) it should be D/M/ and D.M. Regards, Sveinn í Felli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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Sorry, to add one more pattern. For zh-TW, full date patterns are: Y-M-D Y/M/D Y.M.D And incomplete date patterns are: M-D M/D M.D On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Cheng-Chia Tseng pswo10...@gmail.com wrote: For zh-TW, full date patterns are: Y-M-D Y/M/D And incomplete date patterns are: M-D M/D -- Sincerely, by Cheng-Chia Tseng -- Sincerely, by Cheng-Chia Tseng -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] [ANNOUNCE] Locale data date acceptance patterns, localizers HEADS UP please :)
For Belarusian, D.M with no more than two digits per part might do (is the two-digit limit enforcable?). Actually, it'd be better to have possibility of switching off the feature altogether, across the installation, as the traditional fractional part separator /comma/ tends quite often to be substituted by the /dot/, in these times. Historically, it was often D/M (D in Arabic numerals, M in Roman). Yury On 01/12/2012 03:43 PM, Eike Rathke wrote: In order to get rid of the annoying accept every input as date that might resemble some date in almost any locale behavior I recently implemented locale dependent date acceptance patterns that need to be ... -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] [ANNOUNCE] Locale data date acceptance patterns, localizers HEADS UP please :)
Hi, 2012/1/12 Eike Rathke er...@redhat.com: If in your locale input of incomplete/abbreviated dates shall be allowed, this will need a DateAcceptancePattern element be added to locale data, for example in en-US it's M/D and in de-DE it's D.M. (both already in). Just mail me the pattern(s) for your locale, I'll add it then. I think for ru_RU we need D/M/ and D.M.. -- wbr, sb -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] [ANNOUNCE] Locale data date acceptance patterns, localizers HEADS UP please :)
On 01/12/2012 07:13 PM, Eike Rathke wrote: Hi, In order to get rid of the annoying accept every input as date that might resemble some date in almost any locale behavior I recently implemented locale dependent date acceptance patterns that need to be matched for date input, for full details see http://erack.org/blog/archives/8-LibreOffice-date-acceptance-patterns.html If in your locale input of incomplete/abbreviated dates shall be allowed, this will need aDateAcceptancePattern element be added to locale data, for example in en-US it's M/D and in de-DE it's D.M. (both already in). Just mail me the pattern(s) for your locale, I'll add it then. Thanks Eike Hi Eike, I just noticed that locale data apart from Date Patterns also needs to be updated for the language (Gujarati - gu_IN) I co-ordinate. Will it be possible for you to update everything together? I can pass the updated gu_IN.xml file. Thanks! -- Regards, Ankit Patel http://www.ankit644.com/ -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] [ANNOUNCE] Locale data date acceptance patterns, localizers HEADS UP please :)
On donderdag 12 januari 2012 14:43:47 Eike Rathke wrote: Hi, In order to get rid of the annoying accept every input as date that might resemble some date in almost any locale behavior I recently implemented locale dependent date acceptance patterns that need to be matched for date input, for full details see http://erack.org/blog/archives/8-LibreOffice-date-acceptance-patterns.html If in your locale input of incomplete/abbreviated dates shall be allowed, this will need a DateAcceptancePattern element be added to locale data, for example in en-US it's M/D and in de-DE it's D.M. (both already in). Just mail me the pattern(s) for your locale, I'll add it then. Thanks Eike For nl, if needed both nl_NL and nl_BE there are two patterns: D/M and D-M -- fr.gr. Freek de Kruijf -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] [ANNOUNCE] Locale data date acceptance patterns, localizers HEADS UP please :)
Hi, In order to get rid of the annoying accept every input as date that might resemble some date in almost any locale behavior I recently implemented locale dependent date acceptance patterns that need to be matched for date input, for full details see http://erack.org/blog/archives/8-LibreOffice-date-acceptance-patterns.html If in your locale input of incomplete/abbreviated dates shall be allowed, this will need aDateAcceptancePattern element be added to locale data, for example in en-US it's M/D and in de-DE it's D.M. (both already in). Just mail me the pattern(s) for your locale, I'll add it then. Thanks Eike For gd, the patterns are D.M, D/M and D-M (technically gd-GB but I think right now we've only got gd and aren't separating gd-GB and gd-CA) Thanks to the Anglo-American Bable, no-one is really sure about the separators any more. But thanks for sorting this out! Michael -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] [ANNOUNCE] Locale data date acceptance patterns, localizers HEADS UP please :)
On Jan 12, 2012 3:44 PM, Eike Rathke er...@redhat.com wrote: Hi, In order to get rid of the annoying accept every input as date that might resemble some date in almost any locale behavior I recently implemented locale dependent date acceptance patterns that need to be matched for date input, for full details see http://erack.org/blog/archives/8-LibreOffice-date-acceptance-patterns.html If in your locale input of incomplete/abbreviated dates shall be allowed, this will need a DateAcceptancePattern element be added to locale data, for example in en-US it's M/D and in de-DE it's D.M. (both already in). Just mail me the pattern(s) for your locale, I'll add it then. Hi, please add M-D pattern for Lithuanian (lt). This should be converted into two-digit numbers and result in -MM-DD. Thanks. Modestas -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] [ANNOUNCE] Locale data date acceptance patterns, localizers HEADS UP please :)
2012/1/13 Eike Rathke er...@redhat.com In master http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=c5fddb08424c54300b26fc3af19acbbfe84f9fd2 Done http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=12eb7da661635a64272e32204f246d0a5c299ccd Thanks Eike Thanks Eike -- Sérgio Marques -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] [ANNOUNCE] Locale data date acceptance patterns, localizers HEADS UP please :)
Hi Eike, thank you for pointing to the existence of these xml files. I found several incorrect items in sk_SK.xml. When corrected, may I send it to you, too? Is it somehow possible to test such file before sending it? Regarding Acceptance patterns. Currently, we have in Slovak: 11. converts o 11.02.12 11.2 converts to 11.02.12 Which is OK, I just would prefer 11.02.2012 11-2 also converts to 11.02.12, but I would prefer 2012-01-11 Would that be possible? Both forms (with . and -) are OK according to Slovak standard, so it makes sense to have both these possibilities. In fact, no format is defined with the |DateAcceptancePattern |tag. Which one is used then? The default one? In fact, can we have different default format for Cand and for Writer? This makes sense for me - in Calc I find 11.02.2012 more appropriate, but in Writer 11. február 2012 should be prefered. And the last one: In 11. február 2012, február is in the nominative case. However we should use genitive: februára. Is it possible to specify that? Currently, the misuse the Month tag Month MonthIDfeb/MonthID DefaultAbbrvNamefebruár/DefaultAbbrvName DefaultFullNamefebruára/DefaultFullName /Month but it leads often to nonsense. Thanks in advance, Milos Dňa 12.01.2012 14:43, Eike Rathke wrote / napísal(a): Hi, In order to get rid of the annoying accept every input as date that might resemble some date in almost any locale behavior I recently implemented locale dependent date acceptance patterns that need to be matched for date input, for full details see http://erack.org/blog/archives/8-LibreOffice-date-acceptance-patterns.html If in your locale input of incomplete/abbreviated dates shall be allowed, this will need a DateAcceptancePattern element be added to locale data, for example in en-US it's M/D and in de-DE it's D.M. (both already in). Just mail me the pattern(s) for your locale, I'll add it then. Thanks Eike -- email jabber: sramek.mi...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] [ANNOUNCE] Locale data date acceptance patterns, localizers HEADS UP please :)
Le 12/01/2012 14:43, Eike Rathke a écrit : Hi, [...] Just mail me the pattern(s) for your locale, I'll add it then. Hi Eike, I think for fr_FR we need D/M. Asked for other FR variants on discuss@fr ML. Best regards. JBF -- Seuls des formats ouverts peuvent assurer la pérennité de vos documents. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] [ANNOUNCE] Locale data date acceptance patterns, localizers HEADS UP please :)
Hi Sérgio, On Thursday, 2012-01-12 16:56:16 +, Sérgio Marques wrote: for pt_PT You can put D/M and D-M. Sure about D/M ? pt_PT locale data does not define any date format using the '/' separator. But I do have one question and one observation. Question - Does year gets added automatically? Yes, the current year is used to complete the date. Observation - If I write 01-01 the result will be 01-01-Year but if I write 1-1 the result should also be 01-01-Year. That only depends on the default medium format for date, which is DD-MM-AA for pt_PT, so yes, it's 01-01-Year. Eike -- LibreOffice Calc developer. Number formatter stricken i18n transpositionizer. GnuPG key 0x293C05FD : 997A 4C60 CE41 0149 0DB3 9E96 2F1A D073 293C 05FD -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] [ANNOUNCE] Locale data date acceptance patterns, localizers HEADS UP please :)
2012/1/13 Eike Rathke er...@redhat.com Hi Sérgio, On Thursday, 2012-01-12 16:56:16 +, Sérgio Marques wrote: for pt_PT You can put D/M and D-M. Sure about D/M ? pt_PT locale data does not define any date format using the '/' separator. You are correct. This should only be D-M That only depends on the default medium format for date, which is DD-MM-AA for pt_PT, so yes, it's 01-01-Year. AA means 2 digit year correct? Default format should be DD-MM-. Can You change it? Regards -- Sérgio Marques -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] [ANNOUNCE] Locale data date acceptance patterns, localizers HEADS UP please :)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi pt-BR uses a lot D/M Thanks Olivier Em 13-01-2012 16:01, Sérgio Marques escreveu: 2012/1/13 Eike Rathke er...@redhat.com Hi Sérgio, On Thursday, 2012-01-12 16:56:16 +, Sérgio Marques wrote: for pt_PT You can put D/M and D-M. Sure about D/M ? pt_PT locale data does not define any date format using the '/' separator. You are correct. This should only be D-M That only depends on the default medium format for date, which is DD-MM-AA for pt_PT, so yes, it's 01-01-Year. AA means 2 digit year correct? Default format should be DD-MM-. Can You change it? Regards - -- Olivier Hallot Founder, Board of Directors Member - The Document Foundation LibreOffice translation leader for Brazilian Portuguese +55-21-8822-8812 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJPEHZcAAoJEJp3R7nH3vLx7qoIAIrS40gclGEs2Li5vF13kyPa 5ZT1d0dNXT4uy0uP45H1Thfi72hZ0FIzuzoZWByMw9z/9p8uroXc5laCU0dPeTkC dwvbUM82oBA3IqlgLgqOGjUaHJ9Xc9ucZHxCS4XQhMbImR56Pfzm7wR7vNDdV/iH o0r4pbsijuiV+3w8K1jy1qTZbt8sKFD6+bwVZCfWyHjTy5t0NPgE/23fOPw77sQp AX2EqQhidQpndnPv+Y3S4J9g6T6d5zrDbPavcGMAqG5aUXFTvj+LVgR/3j90OcDw YkupuRTQeXbKo+qXvD/xLkn+U4YZjLorJbNWN7v1EXKFF8IhSe8u+tO8nBSOzMc= =eF5X -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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Hi Valter, On Thursday, 2012-01-12 23:59:39 +0100, Valter Mura wrote: Sorry D.M. (D.M.Y) I'd say also M.D (M.D.Y) for Italian it-IT doesn't use '.' as date separator. Eike -- LibreOffice Calc developer. Number formatter stricken i18n transpositionizer. GnuPG key 0x293C05FD : 997A 4C60 CE41 0149 0DB3 9E96 2F1A D073 293C 05FD -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] [ANNOUNCE] Locale data date acceptance patterns, localizers HEADS UP please :)
Hi Martin, On Thursday, 2012-01-12 19:04:23 +0100, Martin Srebotnjak wrote: for Slovenian please also add M.D. (without year and spaces) and M. D. (without year) as well to the acceptance patterns. In master http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=0861854fe7a687d98abb9dacc4b6199954283fa3 Thanks Eike -- LibreOffice Calc developer. Number formatter stricken i18n transpositionizer. GnuPG key 0x293C05FD : 997A 4C60 CE41 0149 0DB3 9E96 2F1A D073 293C 05FD -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] [ANNOUNCE] Locale data date acceptance patterns, localizers HEADS UP please :)
Hi Sérgio, On Friday, 2012-01-13 18:01:47 +, Sérgio Marques wrote: You are correct. This should only be D-M In master http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=c5fddb08424c54300b26fc3af19acbbfe84f9fd2 That only depends on the default medium format for date, which is DD-MM-AA for pt_PT, so yes, it's 01-01-Year. AA means 2 digit year correct? Yes, pt is one of the languages that have the (unfortunately) legacy localized format code keys. Default format should be DD-MM-. Can You change it? Done http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=12eb7da661635a64272e32204f246d0a5c299ccd Thanks Eike -- LibreOffice Calc developer. Number formatter stricken i18n transpositionizer. GnuPG key 0x293C05FD : 997A 4C60 CE41 0149 0DB3 9E96 2F1A D073 293C 05FD -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] [ANNOUNCE] Locale data date acceptance patterns, localizers HEADS UP please :)
Hi Olivier, On Friday, 2012-01-13 16:22:20 -0200, Olivier Hallot wrote: pt-BR uses a lot D/M In master http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=74fea31257372746caf81148a1be9cff1fe36728 Thanks Eike -- LibreOffice Calc developer. Number formatter stricken i18n transpositionizer. GnuPG key 0x293C05FD : 997A 4C60 CE41 0149 0DB3 9E96 2F1A D073 293C 05FD -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] [ANNOUNCE] Locale data date acceptance patterns, localizers HEADS UP please :)
Hi Andrea, On Thursday, 2012-01-12 23:50:34 +0100, Andrea Pescetti wrote: I'd say that Italian (it) uses D/M; e.g., today's date would be commonly written as 12/1 in Italian. In master http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=90a94c55077cff0f0077ff46618365970c07223f Thanks Eike -- LibreOffice Calc developer. Number formatter stricken i18n transpositionizer. GnuPG key 0x293C05FD : 997A 4C60 CE41 0149 0DB3 9E96 2F1A D073 293C 05FD -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-l10n] [ANNOUNCE] Locale data date acceptance patterns, localizers HEADS UP please :)
Hi, In order to get rid of the annoying accept every input as date that might resemble some date in almost any locale behavior I recently implemented locale dependent date acceptance patterns that need to be matched for date input, for full details see http://erack.org/blog/archives/8-LibreOffice-date-acceptance-patterns.html If in your locale input of incomplete/abbreviated dates shall be allowed, this will need a DateAcceptancePattern element be added to locale data, for example in en-US it's M/D and in de-DE it's D.M. (both already in). Just mail me the pattern(s) for your locale, I'll add it then. Thanks Eike -- LibreOffice Calc developer. Number formatter stricken i18n transpositionizer. GnuPG key 0x293C05FD : 997A 4C60 CE41 0149 0DB3 9E96 2F1A D073 293C 05FD -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] [ANNOUNCE] Locale data date acceptance patterns, localizers HEADS UP please :)
2012/1/12 Eike Rathke er...@redhat.com If in your locale input of incomplete/abbreviated dates shall be allowed, this will need a DateAcceptancePattern element be added to locale data, for example in en-US it's M/D and in de-DE it's D.M. (both already in). Just mail me the pattern(s) for your locale, I'll add it then. Hi Eike, for pt_PT You can put D/M and D-M. But I do have one question and one observation. Question - Does year gets added automatically? Observation - If I write 01-01 the result will be 01-01-Year but if I write 1-1 the result should also be 01-01-Year. Regards - Sérgio Marques -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] [ANNOUNCE] Locale data date acceptance patterns, localizers HEADS UP please :)
Eike, for Slovenian please also add M.D. (without year and spaces) and M. D. (without year) as well to the acceptance patterns. Thanks, m. 2012/1/12 Eike Rathke er...@redhat.com: Hi, In order to get rid of the annoying accept every input as date that might resemble some date in almost any locale behavior I recently implemented locale dependent date acceptance patterns that need to be matched for date input, for full details see http://erack.org/blog/archives/8-LibreOffice-date-acceptance-patterns.html If in your locale input of incomplete/abbreviated dates shall be allowed, this will need a DateAcceptancePattern element be added to locale data, for example in en-US it's M/D and in de-DE it's D.M. (both already in). Just mail me the pattern(s) for your locale, I'll add it then. Thanks Eike -- LibreOffice Calc developer. Number formatter stricken i18n transpositionizer. GnuPG key 0x293C05FD : 997A 4C60 CE41 0149 0DB3 9E96 2F1A D073 293C 05FD -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] [ANNOUNCE] Locale data date acceptance patterns, localizers HEADS UP please :)
Eike Rathke wrote: If in your locale input of incomplete/abbreviated dates shall be allowed, this will need aDateAcceptancePattern element be added to locale data, for example in en-US it's M/D and in de-DE it's D.M. I'd say that Italian (it) uses D/M; e.g., today's date would be commonly written as 12/1 in Italian. Regards, Andrea. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] [ANNOUNCE] Locale data date acceptance patterns, localizers HEADS UP please :)
Andrea I'd say also M.D (M.D.Y) for Italian Ciao -- Valter *Open Source is better!* KDE: www.kde.org Kubuntu: www.kubuntu.org LibreOffice: www.libreoffice.org Il giorno 12/gen/2012 22:51, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@openoffice.org ha scritto: Eike Rathke wrote: If in your locale input of incomplete/abbreviated dates shall be allowed, this will need aDateAcceptancePattern element be added to locale data, for example in en-US it's M/D and in de-DE it's D.M. I'd say that Italian (it) uses D/M; e.g., today's date would be commonly written as 12/1 in Italian. Regards, Andrea. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+help@global.libreoffice.**orgl10n%2bh...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquette http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**libreoffice.org/global/l10n/http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] [ANNOUNCE] Locale data date acceptance patterns, localizers HEADS UP please :)
Sorry D.M. (D.M.Y) -- Valter *Open Source is better!* KDE: www.kde.org Kubuntu: www.kubuntu.org LibreOffice: www.libreoffice.org Il giorno 12/gen/2012 22:57, Valter Mura valterm...@gmail.com ha scritto: Andrea I'd say also M.D (M.D.Y) for Italian Ciao -- Valter *Open Source is better!* KDE: www.kde.org Kubuntu: www.kubuntu.org LibreOffice: www.libreoffice.org Il giorno 12/gen/2012 22:51, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@openoffice.org ha scritto: Eike Rathke wrote: If in your locale input of incomplete/abbreviated dates shall be allowed, this will need aDateAcceptancePattern element be added to locale data, for example in en-US it's M/D and in de-DE it's D.M. I'd say that Italian (it) uses D/M; e.g., today's date would be commonly written as 12/1 in Italian. Regards, Andrea. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+help@global.libreoffice.**orgl10n%2bh...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquette http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**libreoffice.org/global/l10n/http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
